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The software maker said it will still wrap up development of the operating system this year and make it available to volume-licensing customers in November. However, Microsoft said a delay of a few weeks in Vista's schedule meant that some PC makers would be able to launch this year and others would not. As a result, Windows chief Jim Allchin said the company is delaying the broad launch of the product until January.
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"We needed just a few more weeks, and that put us in a bubble...where some partners would be impacted more than others," Allchin said during a Tuesday afternoon conference call with reporters and analysts.
The delay is the latest setback for Vista. Microsoft scaled back several key features of the operating system last year in order to try to ensure a 2006 release. The operating system, which has been in development for years, was delayed by, among other things, the fact that Microsoft had to put so much time and testing effort into Windows XP Service Pack 2, a largely security-oriented upgrade to the current version of Windows.
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Tuesday's delay in the release of Vista wasn't supposed to happen. In 2004 Microsoft specifically removed a key ingredient, called WinFS, from the new operating system so that it could assure PC makers of delivery of the OS for the crucial holiday selling season. Here are quotes on Vista's schedule from two top Microsoft executives:
- "Anyway, we've been through the plan with (PC makers), and this plan is very
good in the sense that they're glad to see Longhorn coming into focus,
they're glad to see the commitment to the date, and the hardware kind of
supports things that they want are in their plans."
--Microsoft CEO Bill Gates, August 2004 - "Getting 'Longhorn' to customers in 2006 will provide important advances in performance, security and reliability, and will help accelerate the creation of exciting new applications by developers across the industry."
--Gates, August 2004 - "We are very focused to make next year. We're not going to skimp on quality, but we are very focused to make next year."
--Windows chief Jim Allchin, July 2005 - "We still feel very good we can get it to broad availability this year. (But) if the team gets in trouble about quality, I will delay this product."
--Allchin, January 2006 -
"We needed just a few more weeks, and that put us in a bubble...where some
partners would be impacted more than others."
--Allchin, March 2006
Allchin said that although PC makers were not universal in wanting the delay, there were concerns from some companies that they could not ensure a holiday quarter launch if Microsoft pushed back its development schedule even slightly.
Analysts have been warning that Microsoft's schedule left little room for error if it was to make a fourth-quarter launch.
As recently as January, Allchin expressed confidence that Microsoft would make its deadline, although he reiterated his caveat that quality issues could lead to a postponement.
The delay would likely hurt retail PC vendors the most, said Stephen Baker, vice president of industry analysis at NPD Techworld. Dell, which sells most of its PCs directly, could probably handle a delay of a few weeks without too much trouble. Hewlett-Packard and Gateway, on the other hand, have to have their PCs ready for retail partners weeks ahead of when they will actually go on sale, and can't change gears as quickly, he said.
"It scares you," Baker said, when asked about the impact of the delay on fourth-quarter PC sales. The PC industry's largest quarter of the year always comes around the holiday shopping season, and expectations were high for that period this year, given the expected introduction of the new operating system.
Microsoft does not expect the move to affect this year's overall PC sales, Allchin said.
"There's no (change) to the PC forecast from our perspective," he said. "You can ask the partners what they think."
Allchin also said the product will still launch in the same earnings period for Microsoft, whose fiscal year runs from July to June. That means Microsoft's overall business for next year shouldn't be affected, he said.
Tweaks in the works
Allchin said some of the additional time would be used to ensure security levels, and the company is also working on ironing out usability issues.
"We're trying to crank up the security level higher than ever," Allchin said. "This came down to a few weeks. We're trying to do the responsible thing here."
Microsoft released its most recent test version of Vista in February. Late that month, the company also announced plans for six distinct editions of the operating system.
Allchin said Tuesday that Microsoft still plans next quarter to launch a broader test version of Vista, with the new version to be tested by about 2 million people.
Microsoft had hoped to have a massive marketing push around Vista and Office 2007, which is slated for the second half of this year. It is not immediately clear how the delay will affect those plans.
Allchin, whose official title is co-president of Microsoft's platform, products and services division, is slated to retire later this year.
CNET News.com's Tom Krazit contributed to this report.
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Like it or not Windows rules the desktops and when a major new version comes out with major new componets its news. Lots of people stand to make money off of Vista in one way or another. A dely is felt on Wall Street.
In two years Vista will be on 50% or more of all desktops (80+% of corporate desktops)....in 5 75% or more.
If they had any type of leadership that represented the users, knew computing and didn't need to be shown "trends" like the internet then we might get a decent new OS.
due in 2006, plus if you really need Win XP, you can run it:
http://onmac.net/
Also, a Mac version of VMWare is due soon...
M$ already chopped out the three major Longhorn features, so
now Windows VISTA (Viruses, Infections, Spyware, Trojans,
Adware) will be even later...
Sorry dude but Leopard isn't shipping until 2007. My guess is early spring 2007. Just in time to steal some of the limelight away from Vista.
I get on that right away. Hey maybe I-tunes will be less buggy on the MAC?
Seriously any company that touches Vista in 2007 deserves all the headaches that come with it. Now 2008....that's another matter altogether.
If you have a plan....a real plan and its tested...really tested and it works then it can be done.
Windows machine until I absolutely have too!.. But if you were to
ask me what I'm going buy next, with my hard earned money? ..
I'm going to check out an IMAC... it makes sense to buy an
Apple in this day in age...
Why?
Apple is the only company that is delivering on their promises,
even sometimes ahead of schedule!!.. Plus they are working so
hard for consumer's dollars these days, not like the Apple I knew
from the past. It makes sense to buy from a company that has
innovative products with vision.. and stop buying from (or
rewarding) a company that provides mediocre products with
unrealistic goals.
MS has huge eternal issues within.. They made a pile of money
since '95 they have amassed a totally monopoly over the PC
Industry.. and in feeling over-confident in this they think they
have the right to dictate how the computer industry should be
run..
I say no way..
Besides have you seen the pricing model MS released for Vista??
What a mess!! Its absolute nonsense! That pricing model alone
shows how MS cares for consumer's money and not consumer's
needs.
Also whats with that whole Origami fiasco.. when are we going
to see results in this..
I also think Jim Allchin should retire now.. to save face from
Vista.. I think its going to turn out embarassing in the end.
Vista was a mess from the very beginning. Delay after Delay
after Delay after Delay. MS lately hasn't Walked the walk just
Talked the talk.
now get lost.
2006!
It's not ready.
HAHAHAHAH!
IRONY: The Microsloth commercials of the "dinosaurs-in-the-Office" who have NOT upgraded for an eon, but still are lumbering around in the past, banging their heads against the walls...
THAT commercial was the REAL MS VISTA OS commercial we've been hearing some much about...!
=8-P
2003 & counting for promise after promise after promise, delays after delays, all the while the Windows Developers & customers are holding the bag of dinasaur bones & praying for no more patches & viruses & Trojan Horses & worms & blue screens of death...
Everytime Mirosloth & Jurassic Park stumble I get a ton of people wanting an escape hatch out of their dungeon of doom from Gates & Co.
Thank you Citizen Gates & Big Brother Ballmer!
LOL
=8-)
P.S.: I KNOW WHAT HAPPENED! Jurassic Park is secretly working on their AstalaVista Micro OS for those $100 MIT computers & Origamis for the Gates Foundation to hand out for the Holidays to all of his friends in the Third World.
What a nice bunch of guys...
That's what caused the delay in AstalaVista OS for the masses. Right?
a) Backup current XP config to create an undo
b) Download Vista code changes from update.microsoft.com that occurred since Q2-06 (rollforward)
c) Perform an in-place upgrade to Vista
d) Archive XP to a DVD ROM and remove it from the HD
This is similar to what a number of computer mfgs. did when transitioning from Windows 98 to Windows 2000. When the customer first turned on their new computer, it asked them if they wanted to install Windows 98 or Windows 2000. I don't see why Microsoft, which hires all those smart "why are manhole covers round?" people doesn't do this. They claim to want to sell more "software as a service" anyway, why not use microsoft.com as a true software distribution mechanism?
everyone has broadband access. I know MS has gotten smarter
about how they download (such as doing it when your Internet
connection isn't in use), doing a Vista update could be
gargantuan especially if you had a Vista image build now. When
SP2 was rolled out, Update advertised an image of about 75MB
as I recall. That hurts on a 56KB line.
Also, what about recovery images? If I have a Vista image
generated now, activate/update it with a Vista image in Jan '07,
and then have to recover my PC, things could get messy.
Bottom line: Why have half-baked software out there? If they
have as much trouble as they claim getting users to patch their
systems, this sounds like a real nightmare.
C. A. Williams
www.cawilliams.us
great idea there Keith you should send it to MS maybe they will implament it.
Also, the reason they are giving for the delay is to improve security. Does that mean the (on time) corporate version won't have any security? :)
Also, does that mean computer manufacturers are going to make one last push to clear the decks of underpowered computers before Christmas, then launch Vista computers in January -- making all those new Christmas computers obsolete?
After a hugely positive couple of weeks for Mr. Softie, this story is absolutely devastating to Microsoft, computer users, and MSFT shareholders.
First, on the timing, I know many people who have set "Christmas" time as the approximate time they would purchase a new computer. The timing here is appalling, unacceptable, and worth of heads rolling. After the XBox 05 fiasco, how, HOW! could they allow this to happen. Oh, that's right, we all asked that about the XBox (I'm not a gamer, but if I bought a box, it would be XB) when inexplicably there were horrific shortages for the holidays.
If this is such a promising and safer OS--and I truly believe it is--then someone must be held accountable here. For shareholders living with this long-time, non-moving stock, this should be the final straw. Somebody must be held accountable. Should it be Billy? The newly fit Mr. Ballmer? Running a corporation is about more than tossing chairs over losing employees to the don't be evil boys. It should be about accountability...and this is where Microsoft seems to answer to noone.
Just as the immensely impressive Live is getting rave reviews and even speculation of a spin-off, Billy drops this on our laps. Mr. Gates has been talking a good game about security, and Microsoft Defender has received positive reviews.
With Google receiving constantly fawning press coverage (another example today with the coverage of Google finance, and how it will hurt the big players, Yahoo Fianance, MSN Money,CNN Money, etc. This assumes that everyone will just switch to Google Finance, a suggestion I don't accept), it is very important to have competition in the tech field.
I'm anxious to see how MSFT and the media covers this story. At microsoft.com, not a mention of this debacle.
Mr. Gates, Stevie, et.al, I've trashed IE7 as slow , ugly, bulky, and unimpressive, yet love Live (but decry the beta only of an attractive free e-mail service for it), so I try to be fair, as I admire your company and its employees.
You have disappointed a lot of computer users and profoundly let down your shareholders.
Thank you.
EJ Passeos
YOU DON'T HAVE ANY SECURITY!
You can delay forever and I don't care.
Use Fedora 5! or Mac OS!
himself, Microsoft is its own worst enemy. What if they broke
themselves into industry specific segments that could move
more quickly and efficiently? For example, they could custom
develop applications and aspects of the OS for financial services,
for government, for audio and video finishing, and so on. This
would potentially foil malware makers and address the needs of
a growingly disparate marketplace. It might also create TRUE
innovation, an quality that currently eludes them. Living in a
shop which utilizes Apple and Microsoft products, I must assert
that I pity those stuck in the MS trenches 24/7. Apple is agile.
MS lumbers, a victim of its own "success."
It's getting harder & harder to manage the Empire isn't it Darth Gates?
This is nothing but good news for Apple. Consumers buy for Christmas, those considering switching around Christmas time will not be prone to being dissuaded by the Vista advertising blitz that would have been but now will not exist.
Will it be a dramatic difference? probably not, but it certainly can't be construed in anyway as bad news for Apple
That being said I have the following request of the Macintosh majority amongst the Cnet posters:
Please stop the senseless bashing of Microsoft in every article related to the company or the PC.
For those of us who are PC users it makes it that much harder to get a feel for actual user opinions and experiences when 75% of the posts are simply "Windows Sucks". Assuming you all believe what you preach on the boards and posts can't you just sit back, enjoy your superior OS and hardware, and SILENTLY mock us poor stupid fools who us PC's and Microsoft's software?
Like you, I am tired of hearing the bashing, from your side I hear -
"Why is Apple getting news, they are only 5% of the market?"
Although a truce would be nice, I have to be pessimistic about it. I
don't think some on either side will let go of getting a quick jab in.
It would be nice to try though.
I just look at the comments, shake my head, and move on. It's not worth the effort to try and figure it out.
(get a sense of humour before you post people) Microsoft have
done some pretty amazing things as a business and have one or
two good products (none of which is Windows BTW). I have huge
respect for Bill Gates.
What is IS about, and what prompts posts is the seemingly
neverending FUD and urban myth spouted on here time and
time again by PC users who clearly haven't a CLUE about what
Apple is offering. THAT is what prompts repeated educational
posts and heated debate - nothing to do with Microsoft bashing.
With the ASTOUNDING amount of ignorance shown day in day
out on these boards there is no wonder it invokes Mac users to
set the record straight - despite some of them, not mentioning
any names, who are almost as clueless as some PC posters.
Time and time and time again I have sat down with the most
hardened Dell worshipping slaveboys and watched their mouths
fall open and swap over to Macs, some instantly, some in a few
weeks, after seeing what all the fuss is about. They will never
buy a Windows PC again. Few people have this opportunity and
it is not suprising so many people don't know any better.
But times are changing, and the future will speak for itself.
I will not stand by and have some chump say to my face
Windows does a particular thing better than OS X when it
blatently does not. I will correct them. I will concede to any well
written debate on a function OS X does NOT do as well as
Windows. Fat chance of THAT on these boards, but still, I await
the day.
Some mindless M$ bashing will always go on, those at the top
put themselves up for it, like anything. I am sure they can look
out for themselves though John, so in the meantime how about
learning a few things eh? :)
http://www.apple.com/macosx/quicktours/viewall.html
I don't see how it's senseless if it's well-deserved. MS is the consumate corporate bully. They have tarnished their own image time and again. If they would focus on product quality and customer satisfaction instead of screwing over competitors and having to settle countless lawsuits, may be people wouldn't have such a low opinion of the company and it's leaders.
I don't care how much Bill Gates donates to charity, it will never undo the harm his shoddy business ethics have done. When foreigners complain about the evils of capitalism, Bill is their poster boy.
With OS X, I've never had these problems.
This is why I hate Windows, and always will. Vista will nto correct these issues, as MS has never set a Developer STANDARD like Apple has. With Windows, nearly every app has a different UI, functions, short-cut keys... There's no standard.
I'm not the militant Mac Fanatic, though I will defend it when the MS nazi's come swinging their poor attacks.
But, I agree, people should just shut up and leave it alone. Makes reading CNET's (lack) of stories much more entertaining.
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by Frogfart
March 22, 2006 5:43 AM PST
- I hope MS use the time to reconsider including a DRM off function. Nobody wants DRM and it is putting people off upgrading from XP.
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