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Vista and the shadow of another delay

By CNET News.com Staff
July 13, 2006 4:00 AM PST

Vista has been dogged by delays. If the update ships as now scheduled, it'll arrive about five years after the last version of Windows was sent out--a long time for fans and corporate customers to wait.

In March, Microsoft had to announce that it was postponing the broad delivery of Vista to January 2007. It was another black eye for the company, which had even cut back on a number of key features to try to make a 2006 release.

Now Microsoft Chairman Bill Gates has shed some doubt on the new delivery date, reportedly telling Microsoft software partners in South Africa this week that there was a 20 percent chance of another Vista delay, depending on feedback from beta testers.

To find out what people on the street make of it, we asked our Vista Views panel, made up of ordinary readers, these questions: Is this the last straw? Does this change your planning--if you've done any--for Vista?


Wallace Wang

Wallace Wang

Despite the delays, any business willing to switch to Vista right away is foolhardy. Businesses should definitely wait until Microsoft releases Service Pack 1 for Vista and even then, they should only upgrade to Vista when they need to buy new machines anyway. There's absolutely no reason for anyone to upgrade an old machine to run Vista.

So ultimately, the delay in Vista will probably prove more beneficial than harmful. Now if Microsoft delays Vista beyond 2007, that's when everyone should be worried (except for Apple, of course).
Wallace Wang is a freelance computer journalist and author whose books include "Microsoft Office for Dummies" and "Steal This Computer Book."



Robert McLaws

Robert McLaws

Everyone has complained for years that Microsoft doesn?t listen to its customers. So why now is everyone complaining when they finally DO start listening? And why does everyone expect software to adhere to different standards than regular products? If Merck had a wonder drug for curing cancer, but your liver spontaneously combusted after two doses, would you want it on the market at the date they promised? Or would you let them wait till they worked the kinks out?

Microsoft has created a HUGE ecosystem around Windows, and because of that, most businesses need to know when new versions will ship, for various reasons. Yes, there may be economic repercussions for delivering the product late. But compare those consequences to what would happen if Microsoft didn't get security or stability right this time around. We don't need to look very far...how many billions of dollars did businesses (and governments) lose in productivity, downtime, and other expenses due to Windows malware in the last three years?

Yes, everyone wants Microsoft to ship Vista already. But the world cannot afford for Microsoft to get this wrong. It?s already at least 18 months behind schedule. They've taken this long to get it right. If they feel they need another month, they should be able to have it without everyone saying the sky is falling!

Anyways, everyone is focusing on the negative side of his comments. There is a 4-in-5 chance that it will ship on time. Better odds than we had a year ago, that's for sure.
Robert McLaws is an IT consultant, community leader and Vista enthusiast. He has been running Vista enthusiast site Longhornblogs.com since 2002.



Shruti Shah

Shruti Shah

I think no matter what, people are going to buy Vista--eventually. I highly doubt that a delay of another four weeks will cause somebody to buy a Mac or switch to Linux. We've waited five years already, what's another month?

It seems like everybody is angry and upset over the delay, but the Internet is just a big echo chamber. There are about 660 million people using PCs today; it's highly doubtful that they are all complaining.
Shruti Shah, from Long Island, N.Y., is a senior in college.



Jason Cornell

Is this the last straw? Not at all. They need to ship it when the product is ready. Running the beta I have seen great strides as they release more builds. The latest build I now run as my primary machine and have very few minor issues.

Does this change your planning--if you've done any--for Vista? No. Corporations won't roll Vista out for at least a year after the release date anyway so this doesn't matter to us at all.
Jason Cornell has more than seven years of consulting experience, primarily in Microsoft software. He has worked on design and integration of Windows-based set-ups for health care, higher education and media customers.



Brian Lambert

Brian Lambert

At this point, any delays are unimportant. Vista has been delayed so much in the past, that I'm beginning to lose interest in the whole ordeal.

I think it is ridiculous that it has been delayed this long--other operating systems are released far more frequently. Microsoft has dropped the ball by letting Vista fall so far behind. I think at this point they are playing catch up.

I was very interested in buying Vista to put on my laptop I bought a year ago. Now, it's been delayed so much, I might just put off buying Vista and wait until I get a new computer in a few years.

I'm still interested in seeing what this new operating system will introduce. New technology is always exciting, but it's disappointing when it's well overdue.
Brian Lambert is a law student at Southern Illinois University.



Gary Knigge

Gary Knigge

Although I am already researching how and when Vista will be implemented on our campus, I am by no means anxious to be the first kid on the block with wide deployment of the new operating system. There are no key business systems that would be delayed by a delay in the ship of Vista. I would find a delay personally disappointing, as I am always curious about new technology. But I see no significant organizational impact, as long as the delay is not more than a few months.
Gary Knigge is an IT support person at the University of Wisconsin-River Falls, specializing in Windows desktop support for faculty and staff.



Leigh

Leigh

I originally planned in 2002 to hold off my purchase of a new PC until Vista was released. Am I ever glad that I gave in waiting earlier this year in February! I can only wonder if other potential new buyers of PCs continue to wait and get angry, and even buy Macs instead, thinking they're on the cutting edge?
Leigh is a systems specialist for an online retailer who has been working in general business development for a number of Australian Web sites over the past seven years.



Brian Clarke

Brian Clarke

I think it is doubtful that Microsoft will delay Vista again. I've tried Beta 2 and it seems mostly done except for some reliability and compatibility issues.

If they did delay it again, I would not be happy, but it wouldn't push me to go buy a Mac!
Brian Clarke, a student at Shippensburg University, says he has reinstalled Windows more time than he cares to remember.



Kevin Faaborg

Kevin Faaborg

This is not a big surprise for me. I was not expecting Vista to make the original deadline to begin with. I'm going to be surprised if it even makes 2007 at this rate.

They should just say "It's done when it's done, all 'expected' dates are wiped from the books, we will release a date once we have the final version set to be released." And not sooner.
Kevin Faaborg works in basic hardware and software guidance for a large financial corporation, but he has experience in more computer sales-based jobs.



Callum Jones

Personally, I think it is a good time to delay it. With Conroe coming out, people need time to settle on the hardware, gather all their money and then buy Vista.

If Vista ships same time as Core Duo 2, then users have a ultimatum between superfast hardware or a shiny OS. Many will choose the first option.
Callum Jones is a student in Perth, Australia, who is interested in the field of Windows/Linux SMB Network.

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We're looking for a range of perspectives--from beta testers to business buyers to home PC owners.

Interested in joining the panel pool? Here's how it works:

Whenever key Vista news breaks, we'll e-mail a question to contributors. Sometimes, we'll ask a yes/no question and use the answers for a simple poll. Other times, we'll look for more in-depth feedback on Vista events. It doesn't matter whether you send us two pages or two sentences--we value your comments. And if you don't have an opinion on a particular story, or you don't have time to respond, that's fine too.

The feedback will often reach our readers. Our writers may quote panel remarks in stories. Or we may pull together comments--your two cents--in an article of their own. Occasionally, we'll ask contributors to take part in a weekly podcast to discuss their views with News.com editors and industry experts.

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Vista delayed - who will care?
by pauldickinson62 July 13, 2006 5:02 AM PDT
Anyone who wanted to use a modern operating system would
have switched to Mac OS X years ago. Most people who are stuck
on Windows do so out of fear of the unknown - they are quite
happy sitting in their Win9*/ME/NT/2000/XP virus ridden,
malware infected world, thinking this is the way computers have
to be. Most Windows users are not in a great rush to move over
to Vista if it means having to upgrade their hardware. However,
when buying new hardware I'm sure that most will want to stick
with Microsoft, beacause it's what they are familiar with. The
ironic thing is that they think they'll be making a leap into the
future when in reality they're moving to a level of computing
that Mac users have been used to for over half a decade.
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Vista delayed - who will care?
by pauldickinson62 July 13, 2006 5:02 AM PDT
Anyone who wanted to use a modern operating system would
have switched to Mac OS X years ago. Most people who are stuck
on Windows do so out of fear of the unknown - they are quite
happy sitting in their Win9*/ME/NT/2000/XP virus ridden,
malware infected world, thinking this is the way computers have
to be. Most Windows users are not in a great rush to move over
to Vista if it means having to upgrade their hardware. However,
when buying new hardware I'm sure that most will want to stick
with Microsoft, beacause it's what they are familiar with. The
ironic thing is that they think they'll be making a leap into the
future when in reality they're moving to a level of computing
that Mac users have been used to for over half a decade.
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4 out of 8
by smithjones July 13, 2006 5:43 AM PDT
I find it interesting that the 8 people they interviewed in this story,
that 4 of them mentioned the mac specifically in their comments.
While the delay may not concern them much, it does seem that the
Mac OS is on the back of their minds in relationship to getting a
new OS for windows. If they feel that way, it kind of makes you
wonder what the pressure level in Redmond is.
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4 out of 8
by smithjones July 13, 2006 5:43 AM PDT
I find it interesting that the 8 people they interviewed in this story,
that 4 of them mentioned the mac specifically in their comments.
While the delay may not concern them much, it does seem that the
Mac OS is on the back of their minds in relationship to getting a
new OS for windows. If they feel that way, it kind of makes you
wonder what the pressure level in Redmond is.
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Only the Media Cares about a ship date
by ucsdirect July 13, 2006 6:01 AM PDT
I don't hear ANYONE on the street discussing Vista ship dates or delays. It's only the media that make a sensation of ship (or missed) ship dates. Whenever Gates, or anyone else mentions that the ship date may experience changes or delays, the headlines are blaring "ANOTHER MISSED SHIP DATE" etc. Businesses are only going to implement new software after careful consideration (and watching other companies dealing with the headaches), so a month or year is not going to put them out of business. Find something NEWSWORTHY to report.
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Only the Media Cares about a ship date
by ucsdirect July 13, 2006 6:01 AM PDT
I don't hear ANYONE on the street discussing Vista ship dates or delays. It's only the media that make a sensation of ship (or missed) ship dates. Whenever Gates, or anyone else mentions that the ship date may experience changes or delays, the headlines are blaring "ANOTHER MISSED SHIP DATE" etc. Businesses are only going to implement new software after careful consideration (and watching other companies dealing with the headaches), so a month or year is not going to put them out of business. Find something NEWSWORTHY to report.
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Does Lemmings run on Vista, it appears to.....
by July 13, 2006 6:16 AM PDT
The page of quotes from die-hard Windows users shows that
sub-par design, delays, weakenesses, shoddy security, slow
system performance and their simple satisfaction with a "cloak"
of wallpaper tossed over windows XP is something Micorsoft has
known for years that these customers will tolerate.

I wish my Consulting clients were as undemanding as Microsoft's
customers, who cant even "say SH*T, with a mouthful".

You would think that after waiting years for an XP update, and
tolerating random bug fixes coming out weekly and monthly for
5 years, that some of these people would say "enough" but it is a
testament to the lowering of our country's intelligence, and of
society at large, thanks to MSFT, MTV, TV, and the inability for
people to see and avoid when something is bad for them that
amazes me.

I got vista running on my Athlon 64 PC at home and it is far
from being revolutionary in any way, but is instead a nuisance
with the warning popups and hesitation, 5X those of XP. This is
a white elephant OS. If seeing and using Vista doesnt push you
to buy a Macintosh with OSX, then you are destined to jump over
the cliff with the rest of the lemmings.

A waste case if there ever was one. So much hoopla, for a Zero %
Improvement in Windows design.

How to spend $8-9 billion and still seem to be clueless, MSFT
and its customers get the 1st Place booby prize.
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Does Lemmings run on Vista, it appears to.....
by July 13, 2006 6:16 AM PDT
The page of quotes from die-hard Windows users shows that
sub-par design, delays, weakenesses, shoddy security, slow
system performance and their simple satisfaction with a "cloak"
of wallpaper tossed over windows XP is something Micorsoft has
known for years that these customers will tolerate.

I wish my Consulting clients were as undemanding as Microsoft's
customers, who cant even "say SH*T, with a mouthful".

You would think that after waiting years for an XP update, and
tolerating random bug fixes coming out weekly and monthly for
5 years, that some of these people would say "enough" but it is a
testament to the lowering of our country's intelligence, and of
society at large, thanks to MSFT, MTV, TV, and the inability for
people to see and avoid when something is bad for them that
amazes me.

I got vista running on my Athlon 64 PC at home and it is far
from being revolutionary in any way, but is instead a nuisance
with the warning popups and hesitation, 5X those of XP. This is
a white elephant OS. If seeing and using Vista doesnt push you
to buy a Macintosh with OSX, then you are destined to jump over
the cliff with the rest of the lemmings.

A waste case if there ever was one. So much hoopla, for a Zero %
Improvement in Windows design.

How to spend $8-9 billion and still seem to be clueless, MSFT
and its customers get the 1st Place booby prize.
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Vista release date
by CESSNA150SKYPILOT July 13, 2006 6:49 AM PDT
The person who said the Internet is a big echo chamber got it right. If I lived my computer life taking seriously the opinions of a few nabobs of negativism, I would be dazed and confused every minute of every day. I am testing Vista Beta 2 at home. I am not an IT professional, but I am serious about computers and new technologies. I want MS to get it right and I take the time to give feedback on every bug I discover. MS is listening and I am glad. The more I use it, the more convinced I am that Vista is truly different from its predecessors. Not everything works right . . . yet. But when it does, it will be an OS of elegance and beauty. And much more secure. I am willing to wait. It will be worth it.
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Vista release date
by CESSNA150SKYPILOT July 13, 2006 6:49 AM PDT
The person who said the Internet is a big echo chamber got it right. If I lived my computer life taking seriously the opinions of a few nabobs of negativism, I would be dazed and confused every minute of every day. I am testing Vista Beta 2 at home. I am not an IT professional, but I am serious about computers and new technologies. I want MS to get it right and I take the time to give feedback on every bug I discover. MS is listening and I am glad. The more I use it, the more convinced I am that Vista is truly different from its predecessors. Not everything works right . . . yet. But when it does, it will be an OS of elegance and beauty. And much more secure. I am willing to wait. It will be worth it.
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doesn't matter
by thedreaming July 13, 2006 7:29 AM PDT
It doesn't matter if vista is delayed or not. A Business isn't going to auto adopt it when it does come out. They will wait and see how it performs or more likely upgrade only when they purchase a new system.

Home users that are happy with what they have won't upgrade either, but those users that buy a new machine will.

In the end, the user still has the choice. Don't listen to the media or microsoft or apple. Make up your own mind as to what computer and OS you want to use and ignore the hype from all fronts.
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doesn't matter
by thedreaming July 13, 2006 7:29 AM PDT
It doesn't matter if vista is delayed or not. A Business isn't going to auto adopt it when it does come out. They will wait and see how it performs or more likely upgrade only when they purchase a new system.

Home users that are happy with what they have won't upgrade either, but those users that buy a new machine will.

In the end, the user still has the choice. Don't listen to the media or microsoft or apple. Make up your own mind as to what computer and OS you want to use and ignore the hype from all fronts.
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Vista: Keep it
by ss_Whiplash July 13, 2006 8:10 AM PDT
Personally, I haven't seen anything in Vista that makes me want to upgrade. If anything the new "features" just get in my way. In the past, there has always been compelling reasons to upgrade... stability, advanced features, etc. But with Vista... what's in it that I need? I hate to even hear myself say that being the bleeding edge type that I am, but I just don't see anything worth having in it.
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Vista: Keep it
by ss_Whiplash July 13, 2006 8:10 AM PDT
Personally, I haven't seen anything in Vista that makes me want to upgrade. If anything the new "features" just get in my way. In the past, there has always been compelling reasons to upgrade... stability, advanced features, etc. But with Vista... what's in it that I need? I hate to even hear myself say that being the bleeding edge type that I am, but I just don't see anything worth having in it.
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I think Bill gates should have been fired
by chintoo2006 July 13, 2006 8:13 AM PDT
in 2006 rather that wait till 2008 along with that ******* Balmer
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I think Bill gates should have been fired
by chintoo2006 July 13, 2006 8:13 AM PDT
in 2006 rather that wait till 2008 along with that ******* Balmer
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vista release
by eriksmalley July 13, 2006 9:33 AM PDT
i dont see a delay as a problem. i see it as a plus. i am testing vista beta 2 on 2 systems and dont seem to have a issue. i even play games on it to check how it runs older programs. the people that complain about it's delay will also be the people that will complain when it blue-screens on them or doesnt work the way it should. i would rather wait untill it is refined and more stable than get it sooner and it is buggy. i guess people forgot about windows ME and how that was. people still run windows 98 on systems so i dont think the world is hurting without vista right now. i think the only people that are complaining are the " gotta have it now cause i need to be the first on my block". do we really need to push something and spend all of our time patching and securing it afterwards?
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vista release
by eriksmalley July 13, 2006 9:33 AM PDT
i dont see a delay as a problem. i see it as a plus. i am testing vista beta 2 on 2 systems and dont seem to have a issue. i even play games on it to check how it runs older programs. the people that complain about it's delay will also be the people that will complain when it blue-screens on them or doesnt work the way it should. i would rather wait untill it is refined and more stable than get it sooner and it is buggy. i guess people forgot about windows ME and how that was. people still run windows 98 on systems so i dont think the world is hurting without vista right now. i think the only people that are complaining are the " gotta have it now cause i need to be the first on my block". do we really need to push something and spend all of our time patching and securing it afterwards?
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How about some respectable views?!
by Thomas, David July 13, 2006 9:41 AM PDT
Look at the ages, the faces, of the of people sharing their opinions.
Age, and experience DO matter, so hearing from barely pubescent
readers is a little unfair ... no matter how intelligent they are.

I would love to hear from people who have lived, worked, and
breathed in this industry for at least 15 years. Not 2, or 0.
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How about some respectable views?!
by Thomas, David July 13, 2006 9:41 AM PDT
Look at the ages, the faces, of the of people sharing their opinions.
Age, and experience DO matter, so hearing from barely pubescent
readers is a little unfair ... no matter how intelligent they are.

I would love to hear from people who have lived, worked, and
breathed in this industry for at least 15 years. Not 2, or 0.
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