August 5, 2005 7:18 AM PDT

Virtual gaming's elusive exchange rates

In the world of online fantasy games, you can always buy more virtual assets if you've got a real-life credit card.

If you happen to find yourself short of fantasy gold pieces for the purchase of that battle hammer in the game "World of Warcraft," for example, you can surf to one of the many third-party Web sites trafficking in "World of Warcraft" gold, pull out your credit card and exchange real dollars for fantasy coinage.


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People who play online fantasy games routinely buy and sell fantasy-game currencies and other cyber-game assets using real dollars, sometimes on Web sites hosted by the game developers, sometimes on third-party sites.

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Because there is no regulator controlling exchange rates for virtual currencies, rates vary widely from site to site, making market prices for virtual currencies difficult to track. These micro-economies fascinate academics, who point out that as the volume of virtual-currency trades increases, so will the tax implications, which may eventually force the exchanges to regulate their pricing.

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At the Web site, $51.99 can get you 500 "World of Warcraft" gold pieces, enough virtual currency to buy you the handy Hammer of the Titans weapon. IGE and its competitors also sell the virtual currencies of other major online games such as "Everquest," "Ultima Online" and "City of Heroes."

But according to two of the leading experts in the economies of these virtual worlds, getting a fair price in the exchange of real dollars for fantasy coins can be a crapshoot. Turns out it's hard to find reliable data about the dollar/virtual currency exchange rates in a pretend world where there's no Alan Greenspan setting interest rates and scolding everyone about irrational exuberance.

"I have looked at this data acquisition issue for some time and...keep hitting a brick wall," said Dan Hunter, an assistant professor of legal studies and business ethics at the Wharton School of the University of Pennsylvania.

Given that millions of real dollars are being spent every year on these virtual currencies--perhaps as much as $880 million annually--buyers could well be getting short-changed if they're paying sellers more than the true value, whatever it is, for their gaming gold. While some game companies try to keep a tight lid on rates of exchange between real dollars and fantasy coins on their own sites, they can't control the impact of secondary exchanges.

Here's how it works: Since most multiplayer games allow players to transfer their virtual gaming possessions, enterprising players can temporarily leave the gaming world and buy and sell their virtual currencies on exchanges like IGE and auction giant eBay.

Players looking to sell or buy typically use the secondary exchange sites to find one another. On IGE, for example, a buyer and a seller can strike a deal for 10 million "Ultima Online" gold pieces and exchange real dollars for them. But in order to transfer the fantasy gold, they have to meet up back in the gaming world for the handoff of the goods.

IGE also acts like a middleman, buying with real money fantasy coins from game players and, in turn, selling them to other players.

It's the currencies and the behaviors of these massive multiplayer games' virtual economies that fascinate academics who find that they often mirror real-world economies and can sometimes predict the way people behave in the real world. And like the black markets of the real world, the secondary exchange sites of the fantasy gaming world are a difficult-to-quantify factor.

One Chinese Web site, GameUSD, is trying. GameUSD claims to have the most up-to-date exchange data for several of the biggest games. Its results show that, ironically, given the dollar's weakness in world markets, in almost every case, the games' currencies are losing value against the greenback because of inflation.

The problem is pretty simple: Without a central bank controlling the flow of all this virtual currency, more and more of it floods the market every day. So what can buy a castle today is perhaps only enough to buy a battle ax tomorrow.

GameUSD's lead researcher, Tianmin Zhu, said he and his colleagues collected the data by aggregating exchange rates

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Posted by Earl Benser (4310 comments )
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Re: idiots with too much money and free time
If you are one of the morons who is spending your money on video game currency, send some of your cash to me and I'll use it for buying things that actually EXIST!

I once heard that people only use 10% of their brain, but I think that figure is being reduced each year.
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Hey dimwitted...
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It's people like you that are so narrow minded who can't see past the porn magazines and the beer commercials, that you have to pick on someone different because their not like you.
Oh what powerful person you are by pointing out someones faults.
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just wanted too know if your realy as stupid too tell someone they can't buy something becuase it isnt real , when in fact real isnt something that can be touched or held rather it is something that is seen Period. you play GH? halo 2? any game in your life? hell a board game like sorry or chess? i could say the same thing too you WHY WOULD YOU! waste 20$ on a chess set its the same dam thing.

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but before you bad mouth the last one think about what your goign to say
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If you are one of the morons who is spending your money on video game currency, send some of your cash to me and I'll use it for buying things that actually EXIST"

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i dont here people complaining about rich people buying private jets or big asZ trucks when a simple car can get you from a-Z
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thats what makes a difrent between getting an invite too the best guild
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just like people say you can play on our team
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so buck up
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In Project Entropia you don't need to go outside the game to trade. The players can buy and sell everything inside the game. 10 PED in game money (Project Entropia Dollars) is 1 USD. Just as you can buy PED with real world money, you can cash out your ing game PED for USD.
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So stupid
Why the hell should I play a game where I need to use actual cash in game?
Let alone pay monthly to pay a game (which I will never do)

You people who do this have way too much time and money free for use. Go outside.
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becuase wether you like it or not
if there is a system then the game makers are gonna take like 20% profit VS the normal 5% game sites take

so no
IJJI IGG Gpotato Softnyx all those item mall games are BS

people should have the right too pay what they want
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ot 30min
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they make it run out fast knwoing that the feeling of getting stuf done will get you too buy more
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We spend money to have fun... we spend money to collect... we spend money for our hobbies... we spend money to get a lot of things we need and want. Virtual goods fall in the same category. I find the businesses tapping this "virtual market" amazingly smart and ingenious. Applaud!
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This begs the question as asked by the great philosophers of our time, "What is reality?"
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ogdeal game 2:40pm: ok
ogdeal game 2:40pm: 1B 1.2
ogdeal game 2:40pm: I am afraid of you are raise the price again lol
GeminiYang 2:41pm: ok
GeminiYang 2:42pm: will paypal charge me a fee?
ogdeal game 2:42pm: 1 usd
GeminiYang 2:42pm: ok
ogdeal game 2:42pm: which world?
GeminiYang 2:42pm: 1 billion for $1200.00 / i will come to you
GeminiYang 2:42pm: you choose the world
ogdeal game 2:43pm: sec
GeminiYang 2:43pm: ok
ogdeal game 2:43pm: your name again?
ogdeal game 2:43pm: world 37
GeminiYang 2:44pm: respact1
GeminiYang 2:44pm: and your name again, plz?
GeminiYang 2:44pm: ok, I am in the exchange
ogdeal game 2:44pm: andrewman
GeminiYang 2:44pm: ok I see you
GeminiYang 2:45pm: paypal account is
ogdeal game 2:45pm: ok
GeminiYang 2:46pm: r u ready to trade?
ogdeal game 2:46pm: ok
GeminiYang 2:46pm: is that you?
ogdeal game 2:46pm: yes
GeminiYang 2:46pm: ok done
ogdeal game 2:46pm: ok
ogdeal game 2:46pm: thanks
GeminiYang 2:47pm: you're welcome
GeminiYang 2:47pm: let me know when you are done
ogdeal game 2:47pm: ok
GeminiYang 2:52pm: have you sent it?
ogdeal game 2:53pm: 5 mins more
GeminiYang 2:53pm: ok
GeminiYang 2:54pm: take your time
ogdeal game 2:54pm: omg
ogdeal game 2:54pm: balance is not enough
ogdeal game 2:54pm: can I sent tomorrow?
ogdeal game 2:54pm: need to transfer the money from bank tomorrow
GeminiYang 2:58pm: how much can you send today?
ogdeal game 3:00pm: just have 40 usd
ogdeal game 3:00pm: we can transfer money from bank tomorrow
GeminiYang 3:00pm: how about you give me back the 1 billion gold and I will give it to you tomorrow
GeminiYang 3:01pm: i will not raise the price or sell it
ogdeal game 3:02pm: let me check
GeminiYang 3:02pm: ok
GeminiYang 3:05pm: now what
ogdeal game 3:06pm: pity already sold 800M
ogdeal game 3:06pm: another guy bought 500M
GeminiYang 3:06pm: and my money?
ogdeal game 3:06pm: tomorrow
GeminiYang 3:07pm: what time?
ogdeal game 3:07pm:
tomorrow today time
ogdeal game 3:07pm:
like this time
GeminiYang 3:08pm: and you know my account to send it to?
ogdeal game 3:08pm:
contact us tomorrow pls
GeminiYang 3:09pm: well, how will i know when you are on?
GeminiYang 3:09pm: my paypal
ogdeal game 3:09pm:
tomorrow this time will on
ogdeal game 3:09pm:
bascially on
ogdeal game 3:10pm:
you can contact then
GeminiYang 3:10pm: tomorrow i have to work
ogdeal game 3:10pm:
contact us when you are free
GeminiYang 3:10pm: i can go on 4 o'clock tm ok
GeminiYang 3:11pm: if you need more golds tm telll me cuz i still had 5 billions left
ogdeal game 3:11pm:
ogdeal game 3:11pm:
thanks will do
GeminiYang 3:11pm: thanks
GeminiYang 3:11pm: can u just send the money to me
GeminiYang 3:11pm: and then left the massage on here for me
GeminiYang 3:11pm: so when i get off work i can go check
ogdeal game 3:11pm: oh ok
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