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The study, released Tuesday by AssetMetrix, underscores a recurring problem for Microsoft: While the company spends billions of dollars developing new versions of Windows and its Office desktop software, many customers are slow to give up older versions of software that's paid for and works just fine.
The AssetMetrix study shows that many companies have moved off of other versions of Windows, including Windows NT 4, Windows 95 and Windows 98.
Windows XP use surged to 38 percent by the first quarter of this year, up from 6.6 percent in the third quarter of 2003. However, the popularity of Windows 2000 has remained high, with the venerable operating system still in use in 48 percent of business PCs during the first quarter of 2005, down just four percentage points from the third quarter of 2003.
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And, if anything, analysts say that customer reticence in upgrading has increased in recent years.
"It seems to be taking longer each time" for customers to upgrade, said Michael Cherry, an analyst at Directions on Microsoft.
The sustained use of Windows 2000 is particularly significant as Microsoft prepares to end mainstream support for it at the end of this month. The company will still patch any important security flaws, but most other updating of the OS will cease. Support calls on nonsecurity matters will also be handled only on a paid basis.
Microsoft is preparing one final update to Windows 2000. The software maker opted last year to forgo a full service pack and is instead releasing what it dubs an Update Rollup, a lesser collection of security patches and updates issued since the release of Service Pack 4 in June 2003.
The company has said to expect the Update Rollup by midyear but has not said what features will be included beyond already released patches and updates. By not releasing a more full-featured service pack, Microsoft may be trying to send a signal that customers need to upgrade to get new features.
"I think Microsoft would obviously prefer they were running Windows XP, in part because Microsoft has invested so much to improve the security of XP with Service Pack 2," Cherry said.
For Microsoft, the fact that customers hang on to older versions of its software has become a chronic bugaboo. To some degree, the sluggish upgrade pace affects the company's revenue. In many cases, however, customers have already paid for a license to newer versions.
More significantly, Microsoft believes that when customers stick with older software, their satisfaction level is lower than it might otherwise be--a situation that could ultimately lead to lost sales.
In addition, the situation threatens to undermine the vast sums that Microsoft is spending to increase security in its most recent versions of Windows: Windows XP and Windows Server 2003.
There are several reasons for customers' foot-dragging. Many companies aren't getting rid of their older PCs running Windows 2000. Instead, when new XP-based machines are purchased, businesses are passing on the Windows 2000 machines to workers lower in the pecking order, O'Halloran said.
Windows 2000 is, in some ways, also a victim of its own success.
"When Windows 2000 came out, it was fantastic blend of security and user interface," O'Halloran said. As a result, companies planned their whole infrastructure around it. Many of its management tools have continued to be updated, leaving companies relatively satisfied.
"I think it worked too well," he said.
O'Halloran does expect that the percentage of Windows 2000 machines will drop further now that companies have largely gotten rid of all their Windows 95, Windows 98 and Windows NT 4 machines. Still, O'Halloran predicts that the decline will be a gradual one rather than a large exodus spurred by the June 30 change in support status.
"I don't see anyone having a knee-jerk reaction," he said.
In some cases, Cherry said businesses may decide they want to wait for Longhorn, the new version of Windows due out in the second half of next year. But that transition--if and when companies decide to make the move--could be a far more dramatic one than the move from Windows 2000 to XP. O'Halloran said that most companies won't see a big shift if they move to XP. Windows XP is really just a bulked-up version of Windows 2000.
"It's an SUV versus a minivan," he said. "They both can get you there. It's the same type of vehicle. You still understand how to drive it."
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I still disagree with the whole thing that we should pay for their bug fixes when it all works the same. That's how they make money.
I like Microsoft products and am a general supporter (not fanatic), however, the reality of the situation is that when you upgrade Microsoft products to new versions, you are doing it for some feature that you don't have already. A small percentage upgrade with the belief that it will bring more stability or security, but the reality of the situation is that you must weigh the value of some perceived feature versus the unknown problems the new version will cause.
If a Windows 2000 based project works, what is the motivation to make that system unstable by replacing it with the latest and greatest beta from Microsoft unless it has some capability you are lacking and need?
This is the real issue with Microsoft products is the fact that there is not enough perceived effort in guarding against breaking existing systems when a new version kicks in.
Anyone ever develop in Excel or Access for one version only to have to rewrite when a new version comes out? Any VB programs convert nicely to VB.NET? Hmmm?
Okay, that last one wasn't totally fair. But the point remains valid that features alone are not enough to move corporations to new OSes once the project is finished.
A rock solid guarantee that your project will not break would go a long way though.
Enough ranting, back to work.
Now, after saying that, this is about security. XP is more secure than any other version of Windows. Plain and simple. You upgrade, you save the world, you dont, you expose all of the Americans vital information to the criminal masterminds.
Now bookmark this post, after June 30th, some company will lose information in a security breach on a Windows platform that is no longer supported. Something that has been fixed on XP, but not on any other version. That company will be sued into oblivion and will scare all other holdouts to mass upgrade. Buy MSFT now, it is gonna happen. This is American, land of the free, home of the plaintiff.
The minor security upgrades are not worth it to companies. Even if XP was on the security level of a *nix OS, would that be enough to get most corporations to spend a lot of money to upgrade?
Corporate adoption of Linux is very slow these days, even though it is superior to 2000. The resons are similar to the ones that keep XP from being the dominate corporate OS. They have the personnel used to it, it does what they need, and it would cost way too much to switch to XP.
XP is a 2000 OS patched. But they sell it as a seperate OS. I don't think that Longhorn will see a better upgrade rate then XP. Who cares if a piece of software is old? If it does what you need it to, it is fine.
However, what I think the problem is that Microsoft doesn't know how to market. First the version number which really doesn't mean all that much is what 5.1 for Windows XP and 5.0 for 2000. This was just stupid. There are major differences between Windows 2000 and Windows XP. Windows 2000 is much harder to install and not quite as stable and that is just the tip of the iceberg. But, people see the .1 and think that there is nothing much new or worth while in XP.
Another problem is that there isn't enough new from one very of Windows to another. This isn't to say that XP isn't great it is. But, condering the large amount of time between major versions of Windows Microsoft just isn't adding enough. Apple does a much better job in this regard.
Look and Longhorn. When Longhorn was annouced it actually sounded like it was going be a major upgrade from Windows XP. I mean look at all of the new features and enhancements. But, now look at it. Microsoft has dumbed it down to the point that in the end it isn't going to be all that major.
Another factor is that people just don't like Microsoft. They are often rude and arrogant. People don't like to spend money with companies like that.
So add all of this up and what you have is products that don't see as well as they could. Where does all the fault sit? It sits with Microsoft and the way they do things.
Just like the near destruction of WordPerfect sites 100% with Novel and the near destruction of Netscape with Netscape. Had Novel released a good Windows version of WordPerfect it still might to tops today, it wouldn't be in near last place like it is. If Netscape handn't put out crappy versions and insisted on charging for them Netscape would be alive and well instead of a dead horse that the company kicks from time to time.
Robert
As I said in another comment, a lot of people balk at the activation required by XP, since they see that as itself a security risk (or a reliability risk - what if it refuses to run one day and you can't reactivate it?). Time for Microsoft to do away with that, at least for people who are using XP to replace an earlier Windows version.
situation: new network printer install
1. go to win98se machine, right click printer, install, test page = perfect
2. go to win2k machine, right click printer, install, test page = perfect
3. go to winxp machine, right click printer, install, test page = doesn't work. 20 minutes later figure out what xp did incorrectly, fix it and then finally get test page.
these things happen all the time. we have 3 xp machines in the building... always my biggest nightmares.
Corporation whihc have paid for XP and don't upgrade to it
obviously have no need for the confusion that an XP upgrade will
create. And who know, maybe some of the corpoirate PC's don't
meet XP system requirements.
And if all the corporation's applications run very well now, thank
you, then don't mess witth them or the OS. XP security features,
such as they are, are irrelevant without an internet connection,
so keep most of the computers off the internet. You can always
get a couple of XP PC's or well protected Win2K PC's to do the
internet work.
Maybe you're not saving any money, but you are saving a whole
lot of time, hassle, and frustration.
profits by producing OSes that are simply "good enough". Not
spectacular, innovative or the like. (to be fair, it is also driven by
their need to be backwardly compatible to their huge user base,
further degrading possible innovativeness)
Well, they have succeeded. W2K is good enough and XP is about
the same. Victims of their own success.
Why do you still use Microsoft products? Get Linux, get some local geek to install it for you, get Firefox, OpenOffice, etc. You'll pay less and get more. The only thing you'll be missing is all the viruses, spyware, etc. that MS brings to the table.
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Activation was a laudable attempt to cut piracy, but Microsoft is paying the price -- lots of people won't upgrade from Windows 2000, which they can run in private.
All this, suggests a huger(albeit pardonable) memory requirement. From my own experience, a freshly XP Pro installation with no applications installed consumes in excess of 90Megs right after a re-boot. Inconsequential as this may seem to the newer range of hotshot PC's boasting 64 bit processors with upwards of 512MB sticks with phenomenal bandwidths, it does pose a considerable setback for the slower and older PC's which still run P-3's with 128 or 192 MB of RAM. In sharp contrast, Windows 98 SE could run like a dream on 128 MB of ordinary SDRAM.
This ever increasing demand for higher memories showcases the symbiotic relation between the hardware and software companies for the common goal of higher returns. The software companies build bloatware which consume higher memory, and the hardware industry brings in faster processors and larger memories. Result : Your PC gets obsolete faster than you think it can.
XP Pro can reach more PC's today if MS can release a slightly minimalistic "functional" version of the current OS, ofcourse excluding only the high end applications like Wireless networking and the like. This, obviously would remind you of XP Home. But Home seriously lags in areas of security, performance, and manageability.
What is needed is a fast and light XP Pro variant with the secure engine, minus the frills, to breathe life into older PC's.
- We're using a fair number of older machines (Pentium III with 256KB of memory). Windows 2000 runs okay on these machines, but Windows XP doesn't. It's sluggish and uses more memory.
- The cost to upgrade our machines to Windows XP isn't worth the few benefits that we'll get in return. If Microsoft wants faster adoption of XP, they need to lower its price.
- And last but not least, Windows 2000 works okay for everyday use. Sure, it doesn't have the bling of XP, but it doesn't squander RAM, either.
Sooner or later, Microsoft will "retire" Windows 2000 and force people to upgrade to XP or Longhorn. Until that time comes, we'll keep getting the job done with 2000.
My company's IT folks don't want to upgrade or replace aging desktop PC's just to get the same performance with XP as they do now with 2K, thank you. Security concerns are not as critical inside the firewall.
Even at home, my 4-year old Compaq 700MHz "Celeron" laptop zips right along with W2K (upgraded from the detestable "ME" it had originally) and 384MB RAM.
I have a 2GHz P4 512MB laptop at work, and it feels no faster just clicking around office applications than the old CPQ, except during pure processor-bound things like CAD regens, etc.
I've probably installed 10,000 copies of Windows, and regretted every XP install at one time or another. I use 2000 where I can, and although it still crashes, and still stinks compared to Linux, it still a lot better than XP.
Oh, and then there's the activation thing. No home user wants it. As soon as I say "Oh, all you have to do is connect to the Net and..." it's dead. They don't want it. Activation sounds like DRM to people, and people are beginning to be smart enough to know they don't want THAT. As MS continues to go down the DRM trail, they're going to get more and more resistance. But I digress.
Windows 2000 is the most stable, most useable, most "let the user do what the USER wants, not what Microsoft wants" version.
Obviously the corporations know this. It should be obvious in the statistics.
Couple it with OpenOffice, Firefox, and Thunderbird, and you've got the fastest, easiest-to-use, smallest footprint (disc space), least bloatware system around.
exists in the enterprise to assist the business. There is is little
benefit in justifying the cost of an enterprise-wide upgrade
because of the minor (in business needs) tweaks XP has over
2000. 2000 gets the job done, and well.
I'm not a MS fanatic either, but I did get a little confused when
MS decided to combine the NT (corporate version) and 9x (home
users) product lines into Win2k. My early gist was that there
would be too much blending of purpose, and that in the long
term it would hurt in getting customers to upgrade based on
features that weren't really needed. Does the enterprise care
that XP has great new DirectX capabilities? Probably not.
Likewise, does the home user care that XP has better remote
system management? Probably not.
I like to present an analogy it as a company like Whirlpool trying
to sell me a new microwave with a sewing machine feature.
Blending product lines can have adverse effects!
chips, DOESNOT mean people are "upgrading" to XP just because
it was "preinstalled" on the PC.
Many corporations just want newer, bigger, faster computers &
just dump XP & reinstall the legal copy of Win2000 on their NEW
PCs, since their whole infrastructure is based on Win2000, and
rather than risking new viruses, unlimited security XP patches,
etc., etc.
ALSO, NEW PC sales does NOT automatically mean a Windows OS
user. Once again, get a new PC with AMD64 chip & DUMP MS-OS
& install Linux / Lindows / Open Source OS / Open Office, etc.
ALL OF THOSE USERS DO NOT GETCOUNTED in these
"technology analysis of market usage & market share".
MICROSOFT gets the credit for "boosting" their monopoly, but
Linux users are NOT counted. Very few companies are
"preinstalling" Linux OS on PCs, but that is slowly growing into
the future. Will "tech analyst" count Linux sales & market share
as being deducted from MS Monopoly share? I seriously doubt it.
Also, Any software titles / games that are DUAL PLATFORM
capable (Win/Mac), that are sold or "preinstalled" COUNT as PC
sales, not MAC sales or 50/50 Win/Mac sales...
So, statistical anlysis & numbers, percentage of sales & market
share is a very grey area that Citizen Gates has guaranteed with
illegal backroom deals & lining the DOJ pockets that Microsoft
always comes out on top.
that the y willinstall the MS OS on every PC they sell, or they don't
get to install the MS OS at all. I suppose that Apple does the same
thing, but then people buy Macs to get OS X. Not all people buy
PC's to get Windows.
Anyhow, MS does lockup its community's choices. NO wonder MS
has such 'good' statistics.
I reload my system, or change components, often. Having to continually register something I've already paid for, and having to call someone to do it, is just not right.
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- Lets see: I can continue to do useful work, OR I can install the new Windows Extra Particular (XP) and spend a few weeks trying to figure out why I can't print, can't network with my other perfectly good systems, can't use my perfectly good scanners and other peripherals, can't continue to use my perfectly good software .....
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