Rescuing search in 'Second Life'

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Cassara said that their system begins with a set of predefined places and things that, when encountered by users, offer alternative choices based on their ratings and preferences.

Then, she said, the system asks each user to rate the things he or she comes across, each of which gets added to the database.

"So we quickly get a database with ratings and associations," Cassara said. "All of this is based on crowd-sourcing."

Still, while several projects are aimed at making search better in Second Life, it's hard to know how optimistic to be.

But there's no doubt that Second Life users want a search system that works as well as something like Google.

And now that Linden Lab has made the Second Life client software open-source, a decision that allows anyone to make improvements to the existing system, Walsh thinks that the ultimate solution could come from anywhere.

Regardless, he thinks that a solution is necessary.

"Second Life by its nature is a place where every object is already tracked, so it's a shame not to be able to find exactly what we are looking for," Walsh said. "I don't really want to wander around a virtual mall actually browsing the shelves. I'd rather type in a search query and get a smart list of matches."

[Dachi]

You still work here?

Shouldn't your stuff be on a second life blog somewhere?

[dondarko]

LOL

LOL

[Dachi]

You still work here?

Shouldn't your stuff be on a second life blog somewhere?

[dondarko]

LOL

LOL

[extinctone]

Please stop with the SL articles

Nobody cares except for the few pathetic geeks who were stupid enough to get swindled by it.

[extinctone]

Please stop with the SL articles

Nobody cares except for the few pathetic geeks who were stupid enough to get swindled by it.

[tparisi]

Easy solution - just use the web

The big problem is that SL isn't integrated with the web. If it was, the Search problem would be solved, by Google.

[direlobo]

The Big Problem

Reader post by: tparisi
Posted on: February 23, 2007, 1:41 PM PST
The big problem is that SL isn't integrated with the web. If it was, the Search problem would be solved, by Google.

The BIG problem is that SL is new and different and this scares people. All the other problems - like poor search - will be solved by those who preceed the masses. Now shut up and let Daniel do his job.

[Len Bullard]

Tparisi Is Right

Parisi is right.

SL is a private subnet, a server farm using Internet plumbing but not the web. Metadata systems for the web are plentiful, user tagging systems are everywhere, even the laboring semantic web that was the last darling is further along than what the SL entrants are discusssing.

The fact is nothing about SL really is novel and the problems being discussed have already been solved. It is the business model that relies on a closed system that prompts the need to reinvent the wheels such as search systems. The implications of that to the customers, investors and owners should be obvious.

All that said, there are far more interesting possibilities for searching in 3D worlds than are being discussed here or in the contest submissions.

[tparisi]

Easy solution - just use the web

The big problem is that SL isn't integrated with the web. If it was, the Search problem would be solved, by Google.

[direlobo]

The Big Problem

Reader post by: tparisi
Posted on: February 23, 2007, 1:41 PM PST
The big problem is that SL isn't integrated with the web. If it was, the Search problem would be solved, by Google.

The BIG problem is that SL is new and different and this scares people. All the other problems - like poor search - will be solved by those who preceed the masses. Now shut up and let Daniel do his job.

[Len Bullard]

Tparisi Is Right

Parisi is right.

SL is a private subnet, a server farm using Internet plumbing but not the web. Metadata systems for the web are plentiful, user tagging systems are everywhere, even the laboring semantic web that was the last darling is further along than what the SL entrants are discusssing.

The fact is nothing about SL really is novel and the problems being discussed have already been solved. It is the business model that relies on a closed system that prompts the need to reinvent the wheels such as search systems. The implications of that to the customers, investors and owners should be obvious.

All that said, there are far more interesting possibilities for searching in 3D worlds than are being discussed here or in the contest submissions.

[avfolk--2008]

SL is soooo 90's

Will you people please get a REAL life?

This SL fuffery is getting real old... SL is nothing more than a ad
and marketing moguls wet-dream to get lifeless gamers to feed
them buzz words they can sell to ad clients. THAT SIMPLE.

Any pretense deeper than that is a lie. A REAL ONE.

[avfolk--2008]

SL is soooo 90's

Will you people please get a REAL life?

This SL fuffery is getting real old... SL is nothing more than a ad
and marketing moguls wet-dream to get lifeless gamers to feed
them buzz words they can sell to ad clients. THAT SIMPLE.

Any pretense deeper than that is a lie. A REAL ONE.

[Sea of Cortez]

What is this daily BS Hype of 2nd life!!

I said this before and will say it again because this Article requires same comment that is:
2nd life is nothing special or new or hot:
1- Who wants to download a 40MB software package which changes every few weeks requiring another download of the darn thing
2- It is slow, slow & slow
3- Why put up with this download & slowness when all 99% of people want to do is chat in a place like 2nd life. There are plenty of great chat software which offer Avatar chats and movement and are instant to access, as the best example check out SiteSticky:
www.sitesticky.com
which offers Avatar chat with Voice over IP, something that 2nd life still does not offer.

2nd, if one wants a 3d world to enter then one wants to play, one wants action games, and to
see how this is done right check out World of Warcraft:
www.worldofwarcraft.com

3rd, There were many 3D chat worlds before 2nd life, such as BlackSun, OZ, etc. they all
failed because of the reasons listed above. That is after 1 hour of chatting in a 3D world,
it becomes BOARING and certainly not worth the bother of ever downloading the software
again and waiting for it to load and being slow, so if people want to chat they will go to sites
that are powered by instant chat products such as Sitesticky, if they want to play they will
go to World of Warcraft places.

The question then becomes why this continuos non ending Hype of 2nd life by Cnet and the rest of its BigMedia machinery! Answer: They have stock in 2nd life and are hyping it for an IPO so they can dump their stock on the public or have a Google like company buy it. Whatever it is, please stop it with this non-ending almost daily Hype of 2nd life & Web 2.0 :(

[Sea of Cortez]

What is this daily BS Hype of 2nd life!!

I said this before and will say it again because this Article requires same comment that is:
2nd life is nothing special or new or hot:
1- Who wants to download a 40MB software package which changes every few weeks requiring another download of the darn thing
2- It is slow, slow & slow
3- Why put up with this download & slowness when all 99% of people want to do is chat in a place like 2nd life. There are plenty of great chat software which offer Avatar chats and movement and are instant to access, as the best example check out SiteSticky:
www.sitesticky.com
which offers Avatar chat with Voice over IP, something that 2nd life still does not offer.

2nd, if one wants a 3d world to enter then one wants to play, one wants action games, and to
see how this is done right check out World of Warcraft:
www.worldofwarcraft.com

3rd, There were many 3D chat worlds before 2nd life, such as BlackSun, OZ, etc. they all
failed because of the reasons listed above. That is after 1 hour of chatting in a 3D world,
it becomes BOARING and certainly not worth the bother of ever downloading the software
again and waiting for it to load and being slow, so if people want to chat they will go to sites
that are powered by instant chat products such as Sitesticky, if they want to play they will
go to World of Warcraft places.

The question then becomes why this continuos non ending Hype of 2nd life by Cnet and the rest of its BigMedia machinery! Answer: They have stock in 2nd life and are hyping it for an IPO so they can dump their stock on the public or have a Google like company buy it. Whatever it is, please stop it with this non-ending almost daily Hype of 2nd life & Web 2.0 :(

[kieranmullen]

Please stop the 2nd Life Articles

Dont dig the hype. Every week there doesnt have the be a lame story on 2nd life. There are way more WOW players than 2nd life anwyay. (not that I play that game either)

Find something else to report rather than these easy news stories you are fed by linden labs.

KieranMullen

[kieranmullen]

Please stop the 2nd Life Articles

Dont dig the hype. Every week there doesnt have the be a lame story on 2nd life. There are way more WOW players than 2nd life anwyay. (not that I play that game either)

Find something else to report rather than these easy news stories you are fed by linden labs.

KieranMullen

[momule]

repeats....

Kiernanmullen, while do totally agree with you on the 2nd Life issues, you'll end up with more credility if you don't double your comments. Just an observation. And Yes, 2nd Life is interesting and a good attempt at a virtual environment but it has a long way to go.....just as the Model T did, as the 8086 processor did, as anything else that is pushing the boundaries. I do remember typing commands in DOS before windows 3.1 and yes, it was frustrating but we learned as we went. And that's my contribution to the discussion. (please don't think that I'm criticizing you as I'm not !!!)

[kieranmullen]

Please stop the 2nd Life Articles

Dont dig the hype. Every week there doesnt have the be a lame story on 2nd life. There are way more WOW players than 2nd life anwyay. (not that I play that game either)

Find something else to report rather than these easy news stories you are fed by linden labs.

KieranMullen

[kieranmullen]

Please stop the 2nd Life Articles

Dont dig the hype. Every week there doesnt have the be a lame story on 2nd life. There are way more WOW players than 2nd life anwyay. (not that I play that game either)

Find something else to report rather than these easy news stories you are fed by linden labs.

KieranMullen

[momule]

repeats....

Kiernanmullen, while do totally agree with you on the 2nd Life issues, you'll end up with more credility if you don't double your comments. Just an observation. And Yes, 2nd Life is interesting and a good attempt at a virtual environment but it has a long way to go.....just as the Model T did, as the 8086 processor did, as anything else that is pushing the boundaries. I do remember typing commands in DOS before windows 3.1 and yes, it was frustrating but we learned as we went. And that's my contribution to the discussion. (please don't think that I'm criticizing you as I'm not !!!)

[Mark Greene]

These SL articles make everything on the front page suspect

Really, does news.com care at all about credibility?

I've long doubted it. It's just a business, not a news source, right?

[Mark Greene]

These SL articles make everything on the front page suspect

Really, does news.com care at all about credibility?

I've long doubted it. It's just a business, not a news source, right?

[fcekuahd]

#1 Search on Second Life

"How can I get some real friends?"

[fcekuahd]

#1 Search on Second Life

"How can I get some real friends?"

[arnaudfischer]

Social search perfect for Second Life

It seems to me that a social search engine would be perfect, including both i) collaborative directory building and ii) Discovery engine.

Let anybody submit anything (bookmarks, content, places, news, photos, videos, Web index feed, RSS feeds, ...). Ala Eurekster, Searchles, Del.icio.us, Jimmy wales future collaborative engine, yoople, Digger, Simpy, eSnip, Shadows, Sproose, Wink,

Let anybody tag, vote, comment, report. Ala Digg, MSN reporter, Reddit,

Add a collaborative ranking algo to surface personalized relevance ala Eurekster.

Select guides to help folks search, find, and discover stuff. Ala StumbleUpon, Flock

Add vertical, community-based engine like Rollyo, Yahoo or Google custom search, Lijit.

-arnaud

[arnaudfischer]

Social search perfect for Second Life

It seems to me that a social search engine would be perfect, including both i) collaborative directory building and ii) Discovery engine.

Let anybody submit anything (bookmarks, content, places, news, photos, videos, Web index feed, RSS feeds, ...). Ala Eurekster, Searchles, Del.icio.us, Jimmy wales future collaborative engine, yoople, Digger, Simpy, eSnip, Shadows, Sproose, Wink,

Let anybody tag, vote, comment, report. Ala Digg, MSN reporter, Reddit,

Add a collaborative ranking algo to surface personalized relevance ala Eurekster.

Select guides to help folks search, find, and discover stuff. Ala StumbleUpon, Flock

Add vertical, community-based engine like Rollyo, Yahoo or Google custom search, Lijit.

-arnaud

[arnaudfischer]

Social search perfect for Second Life

It seems to me that a social search engine would be perfect, including both i) collaborative directory building and ii) Discovery engine.

Let anybody submit anything (bookmarks, content, places, news, photos, videos, Web index feed, RSS feeds, ...). Ala Eurekster, Searchles, Del.icio.us, Jimmy wales future collaborative engine, yoople, Digger, Simpy, eSnip, Shadows, Sproose, Wink,

Let anybody tag, vote, comment, report. Ala Digg, MSN reporter, Reddit,

Add a collaborative ranking algo to surface personalized relevance ala Eurekster.

Select guides to help folks search, find, and discover stuff. Ala StumbleUpon, Flock

Add vertical, community-based engine like Rollyo, Yahoo or Google custom search, Lijit.

-arnaud

[arnaudfischer]

Social search perfect for Second Life

It seems to me that a social search engine would be perfect, including both i) collaborative directory building and ii) Discovery engine.

Let anybody submit anything (bookmarks, content, places, news, photos, videos, Web index feed, RSS feeds, ...). Ala Eurekster, Searchles, Del.icio.us, Jimmy wales future collaborative engine, yoople, Digger, Simpy, eSnip, Shadows, Sproose, Wink,

Let anybody tag, vote, comment, report. Ala Digg, MSN reporter, Reddit,

Add a collaborative ranking algo to surface personalized relevance ala Eurekster.

Select guides to help folks search, find, and discover stuff. Ala StumbleUpon, Flock

Add vertical, community-based engine like Rollyo, Yahoo or Google custom search, Lijit.

-arnaud