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Patrick Byrne, CEO of and one of the Internet's most controversial figures since alleging that hedge fund managers conspire with journalists to manipulate the stock market, has been receiving support recently from some surprising corners.

Bloomberg News aired a report on March 13 (which is also available on YouTube) that seems to back up many of the allegations Byrne has made over the past two years. Then there are the startling comments from James Cramer, the hedge fund manager-turned-host of the popular CNBC television show Mad Money.

During an interview for in December, Cramer offered a primer on how hedge funds cheat the stock market. In the video, which surfaced last week on YouTube and has since been removed at the request of, Cramer claimed the financial press is easily duped by short sellers and hedge funds and that federal regulators aren't smart enough to stop it.

Were Cramer's statements the smoking gun Byrne's supporters have been waiting for? He's not so sure.

"The (Securities and Exchange Commission) works for Wall Street," Byrne said in an interview last week. "It doesn't work for Main Street. On a good day, the SEC is up to taking on Martha Stewart over a $60,000 issue. They are not up to taking on Jim Cramer and half a dozen powerful hedge funds."

Byrne sparked controversy in August 2005 by accusing a number of investment bankers, financial journalists and hedge fund managers of collaborating to ruin the reputations of companies to profit when their stock prices tumbled. Byrne claimed that his online store was victimized by such a scheme. In a now infamous 2005 conference call, he said the conspiracy was overseen by a mastermind he compared to a "Sith Lord" out of the Star Wars movies.

Byrne's detractors accused him of trying to divert attention away from his company's poor financial performance. In 2005, Salt Lake City-based Overstock reported a $25 million loss. The company's share price, which hit $77 in 2004, closed trading on Tuesday at $17.29.

Salt Lake City, Utah-based Overstock in 2005 filed suit against Rocker Partners, a short-selling hedge fund, and Gradient Analytics, a research firm. He accused them of conspiring to manipulate Overstock's share price. The SEC opened an investigation into the companies but dropped the probe last month without taking any action. But Byrne hasn't given up. Overstock last month filed a $3.4 billion suit against 12 brokerage firms.

Cramer, one of the founders of, received a subpoena related to the Gradiant and Rocker lawsuit.

"The financial press has been taking orders from hedge funds, and using options to simulate demand for years," Byrne said. But the time may be right for Byrne to keep quiet and wait for regulators or lawmakers to step in, said legal experts.

"Byrne may be able to help set new law if he handles this right," said Kerry Fields, associate professor of law and business ethics at the University of Southern California. "I don't think this is a case in which he should risk the company's fortune but his best approach now is probably to persuade the SEC, which continues to wander around the issue, or the government to serve subpoenas and let them decide whether or not his company was wronged."

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Patrick Byrne
Patrick Byrne is just another dot-bomb CEO who can't get over the fact he can't party like it's 1999 any more. "Let's sell crap at a loss on the Internet." Gee, what an original idea. His only real beef with the short sellers is that they were driving the stock to it's true value ($0) before he could dump all of his shares. His company has never turned a profit and never will. Kill it already.
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C'mon get real...
There is some truth to Cramer's comments. However, its a stretch for Cramer's comments to Byrne's allegations.

Byrne screwed things up. Its an ok and proven business model to buy a surplus of a product and sell it at a discount. (OddLots anyone?)

But unless you can keep your costs (transactual and overhead down) and your margin's up, you're going to get killed.

Also unless you can fulfill your orders, you're going to lose customers and business.

So don't say that $0 is the "true value".

It over simplifies the issue and ignores the bigger picture.
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The press is a corporate arm and completely malleable
The press is a corporate arm and completely malleable. They can be fed all manner of bogus info and are. Look at the Bush administration. Wall Street, too. Trillions of dollars in hedge funds and other financial vehicles. These people are all manipulative and naked short selling and other activity should be investigated. But won't be because the richer need to get richer.
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sour grape reflections
sour grapes or the reflections of a stock in play?
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sour grape reflections
sour grapes or the reflections of a stock in play?
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Cramer's Video still available to the Public. Must See Video!
While the Street has been effective in removing Jim Cramer's infamous video from You-Tube, the clip in question is still available from their own site,

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Paste this in your browser address window, and view it for yourself. Then, notify the SEC that they are being cuckolded, at the expense of Main Street investors. (That would be US!)
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cramer video again available on youtube
Here are two links to view the Cramer Stock Manipulation video on youtube:

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