October 24, 2005 4:00 AM PDT

New iPods make some add-ons yesterday's hits

William Weems had never owned an iPod, but when he saw Apple Computer's new video-playing version he decided to buy one from Apple's Web site. To complement the player, the Georgia Web designer also bought a pair of Logitech wireless headphones.

Unfortunately, not all of the headphones' features work with the video iPod. That's because Apple's latest player, unlike previous iPod generations, doesn't have a small connector near the headphone jack. With both the latest iPod and the recently introduced Nano, Apple has done away with the top connector, rendering a whole slew of existing iPod accessories incompatible with the newest players.

It remains unclear what impact this might have on sales of the new players. Weems debated sending back the video-capable iPod and getting an older model. He says he is leaning toward keeping the new model, but thinks many other consumers may decide to stick with the older model rather than have to buy new add-ons.

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What's new:
The video iPod and the iPod Nano render a slew of existing iPod accessories incompatible.

Bottom line:
The lack of a small connector near the headphone jack on the latest iPods could cause some potential buyers to delay purchasing the device because they have to buy new versions of their favorite add-ons.

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"A lot of people out there I know have a lot of accessories that they purchased over time," Weems said.

Accessories designed for the dock connector slot at the iPod's bottom work just fine with the Nano. But a bunch of other add-ons, including some of the earliest accessories such as the Belkin voice recorder and Apple's own iPod remote control, don't work with the new players.

Apple representatives have declined to say why they decided not to include the top port on the new iPods. In any case, the move has sent many accessory makers to rush back to their drawing boards.

Griffin Technology, for example, had a number of add-ons that connected via the top port, including its AirClick remote control, iTrip car transmitter and iTalk microphone. The company has already announced an updated AirClick that connects via the dock connector as well as new iTrips that work with the Nano and video iPods.

Logitech said that its headphones do transmit sound wirelessly from the Nano and video iPod using an included adapter, but said that built-in controls on the headphones for pausing, fast forwarding and other functions won't work because of the design change. A Logitech representative said the company already has products in the pipeline that work more elegantly with the new iPods.

"We will bring out a line that will complement all of the new iPods," the representative said.

Apple has even had to replace some of its own accessories, quietly coming out last week with a new remote control for the iPod. The $29 remote is actually the same one that ships with the new iMac and it can be used to control both the iPod and the Front Row media features on the new iMac.

iPod add-ons

But the key question--whether some potential buyers of the new iPod will put off buying the device knowing they may have to buy new versions of their favorite add-ons--is a big one considering the hundreds of millions of dollars iPod owners have plunked down for all manner of add-ons. But one analyst said he doesn't expect the iPod faithful to shun the new video model just because it doesn't work with their accessories.

Current Analysis analyst Sam Bhavnani said that the new 30GB iPod costs the same as its predecessor and is thinner despite the video abilities and having 50 percent more storage. "The benefits of what they are offering far outweighs the negative of potentially having to buy a new iTrip," he said.

In part to address compatibility concerns, Apple has guaranteed accessory makers that design for the dock connector port that their products will work with future iPods as part of the company's "Made for iPod" program. The computer maker has further pledged that accessory makers can design a universal well for accessories like speakers and that Apple will include any necessary plastic adaptor.

"If they want to design one device that connects with many different size and shape iPods," Apple Senior Vice President Phil Schiller told CNET News.com earlier this month, "we'll take responsibility to make sure there is a standard dock connector that comes with the iPod."

Apple also is seeking a royalty for such products as part of that program, with one source pegging the fee at 10 percent of a device's wholesale price. Schiller declined to comment on the business terms of the program.

Bhavnani said that the Made for iPod program could pave the way for better communication between Apple and the key accessory makers.

"Apple may be more up front with them then they have in the past about the road maps," he said. "Instead of letting them know right around the launch, maybe they will give them a little more lead time."

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New iPods make some add-ons yesterday's hits
I guess they did not keep people add-ons in mind when they were designing it. Looks like I will have to buy new ones for Ipod Video :(. Or you think they did this to push sales of accessories?
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Posted by Roman12 (214 comments )
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Considering ....
that Apple wants to get an iPod accessory tax from 3rd party manufacturers, what do you think? :-)
Posted by nasser0000 (64 comments )
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New iPods make some add-ons yesterday's hits
I guess they did not keep people add-ons in mind when they were designing it. Looks like I will have to buy new ones for Ipod Video :(. Or you think they did this to push sales of accessories?
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Posted by Roman12 (214 comments )
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Considering ....
that Apple wants to get an iPod accessory tax from 3rd party manufacturers, what do you think? :-)
Posted by nasser0000 (64 comments )
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Yep, problem for my wife ...
she uses the voice recorder from Belkin to record classes and loves it. No problem with sticking with her older iPod but if anything ever goes wrong with it ...

I have a feeling (hope?) that Belkin and Griffin will release voice recorders for the dock ... I've seen stuff from Griffin but not a voice recorder yet.
Posted by nasser0000 (64 comments )
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Voice recorders on the way
As the new iPod models support WAV recording in full 44.1kHz sampling mode (instead of the 8kHz used in previous models), we will definitely see a range of microphone accessories for it. The sound quality of the recordings will also be considerably higher.
Posted by Jamie314 (69 comments )
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Yep, problem for my wife ...
she uses the voice recorder from Belkin to record classes and loves it. No problem with sticking with her older iPod but if anything ever goes wrong with it ...

I have a feeling (hope?) that Belkin and Griffin will release voice recorders for the dock ... I've seen stuff from Griffin but not a voice recorder yet.
Posted by nasser0000 (64 comments )
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Voice recorders on the way
As the new iPod models support WAV recording in full 44.1kHz sampling mode (instead of the 8kHz used in previous models), we will definitely see a range of microphone accessories for it. The sound quality of the recordings will also be considerably higher.
Posted by Jamie314 (69 comments )
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it's true backwards compatibilty is optional deal with it.
Yes sometimes parts change because of new designs have you tried plugging an AGP video card into a PCI Express slot??? guess what they don't fit why because AGP is being phased out. This isn't a new concept people. How about not running out to buy a new iPod every 6 months Apple releases a new one??? I'm still using a 3G iPod and it works fine. As for the person in the article if you bought the headphones after you bought your iPod you should have read the requirements all manufactures clearly state which iPods the accessory is compatiable with. One final note the connector at the top of the iPod has been there since the 3G iPod and was recently changed with the Nano count the years...
Posted by brian.lee (548 comments )
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One more reason not to buy crApple
Compatability Issues. I've used Macs for years now along with
my PC's. THEY are over-rated. I've havent bought an iPod but my
experiences with Apple on this issue have been undesirable. The
ADC Adapter is a oerfect example, Why use a uncompatible
connector when there is already a proven one. Not being able to
use my 23" Apple HD Monitor monitor with my PC was the first
thing, so I bought an adapter switch box for 300 bucks. Then I
bought a G5 which in turn rendered the box useless. Its
pathetic. Im glad the finally switched back to DVI but im not
happy about burning the 300. Im sure New iPod owners can
relate to that.
Posted by SystemsJunky (409 comments )
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it's true backwards compatibilty is optional deal with it.
Yes sometimes parts change because of new designs have you tried plugging an AGP video card into a PCI Express slot??? guess what they don't fit why because AGP is being phased out. This isn't a new concept people. How about not running out to buy a new iPod every 6 months Apple releases a new one??? I'm still using a 3G iPod and it works fine. As for the person in the article if you bought the headphones after you bought your iPod you should have read the requirements all manufactures clearly state which iPods the accessory is compatiable with. One final note the connector at the top of the iPod has been there since the 3G iPod and was recently changed with the Nano count the years...
Posted by brian.lee (548 comments )
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One more reason not to buy crApple
Compatability Issues. I've used Macs for years now along with
my PC's. THEY are over-rated. I've havent bought an iPod but my
experiences with Apple on this issue have been undesirable. The
ADC Adapter is a oerfect example, Why use a uncompatible
connector when there is already a proven one. Not being able to
use my 23" Apple HD Monitor monitor with my PC was the first
thing, so I bought an adapter switch box for 300 bucks. Then I
bought a G5 which in turn rendered the box useless. Its
pathetic. Im glad the finally switched back to DVI but im not
happy about burning the 300. Im sure New iPod owners can
relate to that.
Posted by SystemsJunky (409 comments )
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Has c/net been purchased by Apple?
Did I miss something? Unfortunately for your subscribers, your focus seems to have narrowed considerably to Apple products.
The I-pod may be a top seller but is far and away NOT the best product for the dollar. Please begin carrying some info about things like Creative Vision, Live365, etc.
After all, God has not changed his name to Steve Jobs.
Posted by El Kabong (100 comments )
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Mystery Tour
Is that where you've been?
Posted by Thomas, David (1947 comments )
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Has c/net been purchased by Apple?
Did I miss something? Unfortunately for your subscribers, your focus seems to have narrowed considerably to Apple products.
The I-pod may be a top seller but is far and away NOT the best product for the dollar. Please begin carrying some info about things like Creative Vision, Live365, etc.
After all, God has not changed his name to Steve Jobs.
Posted by El Kabong (100 comments )
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Mystery Tour
Is that where you've been?
Posted by Thomas, David (1947 comments )
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Once Again ... THINK
Apple designs a new iPod. It isn't the same as the previous one.

Guess what. I am damn sure they did not consider, well gee.
We can't do that because it will hurt the third-part add-ons.

Hmmmm. Maybe there should be a program, where third-party
vendors can be included in the loop, get a heads-up from Apple
about new designs, etc. .... "OH NO Mr. BILL!!" that's that damn
ipod "tax" program.

Oh well. After all, serious manufacturers only want to make
money off of another companies product, and not participate in
any programs, and receive free support as a result. Aint that
right?!
Posted by Thomas, David (1947 comments )
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Maybe you should try thinking
Of course they are trying to make money off of the ipod, but they are also providing valuable accessories that Apple might not provide, and they are often less expensive than Apples own products. But more to the point, its not just 3rd party products that don't work with the video ipod. Some of Apple's own products don't work with the new Ipod. I personally have no issue with hardware revisions, and excluding an extra port if it is a cost saving measure makes no difference to me. But I would be mad, if for example, I bought the new smaller playstation 2 and found out that it required all new controllers, so I can see why this does effect people who payed money for Apple and non-apple accessories.
Posted by Rolndubbs (194 comments )
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Once Again ... THINK
Apple designs a new iPod. It isn't the same as the previous one.

Guess what. I am damn sure they did not consider, well gee.
We can't do that because it will hurt the third-part add-ons.

Hmmmm. Maybe there should be a program, where third-party
vendors can be included in the loop, get a heads-up from Apple
about new designs, etc. .... "OH NO Mr. BILL!!" that's that damn
ipod "tax" program.

Oh well. After all, serious manufacturers only want to make
money off of another companies product, and not participate in
any programs, and receive free support as a result. Aint that
right?!
Posted by Thomas, David (1947 comments )
Reply Link Flag
Maybe you should try thinking
Of course they are trying to make money off of the ipod, but they are also providing valuable accessories that Apple might not provide, and they are often less expensive than Apples own products. But more to the point, its not just 3rd party products that don't work with the video ipod. Some of Apple's own products don't work with the new Ipod. I personally have no issue with hardware revisions, and excluding an extra port if it is a cost saving measure makes no difference to me. But I would be mad, if for example, I bought the new smaller playstation 2 and found out that it required all new controllers, so I can see why this does effect people who payed money for Apple and non-apple accessories.
Posted by Rolndubbs (194 comments )
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What is REALLY going on...
Hey guys, this is not a new story. Apple has for a while had a program whereby add-on manufacturers can become 'approved', pay a royalty on sales to Apple and be assured that their products will work on future systems. Unfortunately, things change when products are updated and sometimes add-ons will ont work. Just have to get the 'approved' add-ons next time...
Posted by zairegp (2 comments )
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What is REALLY going on...
Hey guys, this is not a new story. Apple has for a while had a program whereby add-on manufacturers can become 'approved', pay a royalty on sales to Apple and be assured that their products will work on future systems. Unfortunately, things change when products are updated and sometimes add-ons will ont work. Just have to get the 'approved' add-ons next time...
Posted by zairegp (2 comments )
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apple has different priorities, which is good
instead of being trapped into backwards compatibility like the pc world, apple has been able to move forward with better products, including the digital media player market. i assume that in this case it was a toss up between have video capabilities and have the new ipod as thin it is versus including a backward compatible headphone accessory port. i would imagine that the tft active matrix display and harddrive crowd out the hardware for the port, i also assume this is why the headphone jack is now off center. i think apple was confident enough that people would buy the new accessories and that any money lost due the change in headphone interface would be marginal compared to the attraction of having an ipod thats 30% smaller with 50% more capacity and video capability for the same price.
Posted by 13ryan886 (4 comments )
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apple has different priorities, which is good
instead of being trapped into backwards compatibility like the pc world, apple has been able to move forward with better products, including the digital media player market. i assume that in this case it was a toss up between have video capabilities and have the new ipod as thin it is versus including a backward compatible headphone accessory port. i would imagine that the tft active matrix display and harddrive crowd out the hardware for the port, i also assume this is why the headphone jack is now off center. i think apple was confident enough that people would buy the new accessories and that any money lost due the change in headphone interface would be marginal compared to the attraction of having an ipod thats 30% smaller with 50% more capacity and video capability for the same price.
Posted by 13ryan886 (4 comments )
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2 features that did not have to go...
I have a 5th Gen 60 GB Black that does not use FireWire nor
doubles as a boot drive. I was told by Apple that FireWire works
like it use too, but upon getting the order the following week, it
only charges, just like the Nano. Not sure what the reasoning
was, but I would have considered a 4th Gen Photo instead. The
video looks nice and I can still use it as a external drive, so I
ultimately decided to keep the iPod, gave the cable to a friend.
This was my first iPod, so accesories, besides not having cases,
does not affect me.
Posted by (22 comments )
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2 features that did not have to go...
I have a 5th Gen 60 GB Black that does not use FireWire nor
doubles as a boot drive. I was told by Apple that FireWire works
like it use too, but upon getting the order the following week, it
only charges, just like the Nano. Not sure what the reasoning
was, but I would have considered a 4th Gen Photo instead. The
video looks nice and I can still use it as a external drive, so I
ultimately decided to keep the iPod, gave the cable to a friend.
This was my first iPod, so accesories, besides not having cases,
does not affect me.
Posted by (22 comments )
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Uh..wtf?
"Apple has even had to replace some of its own accessories, quietly coming out last week with a new remote control for the iPod."

They released a new remote control that controls a DOCKED iPod, hardly the same as the old wired one attached to the earbuds. And since when is one remote control (with different functionality)"some accessories"?
Posted by totorototoro (69 comments )
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Uh..wtf?
"Apple has even had to replace some of its own accessories, quietly coming out last week with a new remote control for the iPod."

They released a new remote control that controls a DOCKED iPod, hardly the same as the old wired one attached to the earbuds. And since when is one remote control (with different functionality)"some accessories"?
Posted by totorototoro (69 comments )
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free ipod video site helps Ipod
A site called <a class="jive-link-external" href="http://www.peer2link.com" target="_newWindow">http://www.peer2link.com</a> will actually help the Apple. There are free ipod movies on this website, which will encourage more people to buy the video player because now they can get free content.
Posted by (18 comments )
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Since when was illegal file sharing helping Apple?
I'm not sure whether videos specially formatted for iPod makes this any better than any other 'underground' file sharing site  it's still illegal.
Posted by Jamie314 (69 comments )
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free ipod video site helps Ipod
A site called <a class="jive-link-external" href="http://www.peer2link.com" target="_newWindow">http://www.peer2link.com</a> will actually help the Apple. There are free ipod movies on this website, which will encourage more people to buy the video player because now they can get free content.
Posted by (18 comments )
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Since when was illegal file sharing helping Apple?
I'm not sure whether videos specially formatted for iPod makes this any better than any other 'underground' file sharing site  it's still illegal.
Posted by Jamie314 (69 comments )
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My only questionis
why does anyone buy these over priced pieces of junk in the first place? There are many reasonably priced music solutions out there that deliver great functionality along with freedom of choice concerning what music to play on them and whos accessories to use.
Posted by Michael Grogan (308 comments )
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My only questionis
why does anyone buy these over priced pieces of junk in the first place? There are many reasonably priced music solutions out there that deliver great functionality along with freedom of choice concerning what music to play on them and whos accessories to use.
Posted by Michael Grogan (308 comments )
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No remote control without a dock?
The new remote control is great in that it's wireless - the old wired remote control could sometimes be a bit of a pain.

But what do we use for a remote when we're not using the dock? For example, on a plane I'd have the iPod tucked away somewhere, and control it via the wired remote. What will I do now?

Perhaps getting rid of the old remote port simplified the electronics, or helps Apple get royalites from companies who now have to use the dock connector, but it seems like a real shame.
Posted by (12 comments )
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No remote control without a dock?
The new remote control is great in that it's wireless - the old wired remote control could sometimes be a bit of a pain.

But what do we use for a remote when we're not using the dock? For example, on a plane I'd have the iPod tucked away somewhere, and control it via the wired remote. What will I do now?

Perhaps getting rid of the old remote port simplified the electronics, or helps Apple get royalites from companies who now have to use the dock connector, but it seems like a real shame.
Posted by (12 comments )
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It isn't about Market Share
as much as it is about character. In this life, we only have a few opportunities to demonstrate our real nature and, as far as I'm concerned, Apple has amplied exposed themselves as hostage takers and gougers. Is their computer better? Is their MP3 player better? Their business model has proven those questions irrelevant because once you "own" an Apple product, Apple owns you. Their lack of software compatability and the buyer's dependency on over-priced proprietary hardware is historic from the getgo.
Posted by El Kabong (100 comments )
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What are you talking about? Do you even know?
lack of software compatibility? How so? You mean the file I make
with Office somehow does not work? That the video I edited can't
be opened on a Windoze box? That when I run XP pro on my G4 in
a window on my desktop, that that is some sort of hallucination?
You need to consult your little red book again, comrade.
Posted by DeusExMachina (516 comments )
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What system do YOU have?
When it comes right down to it, EVERYTHING has some sort of
proprietary element to it. Dell, Gateway, HP, IBM, Apple, Ford,
GM, Toyota, Maytag, so on, so on... Apple products, you can buy
RAM from just about anyone, same for Hard Drives, optical
drives, keyboards, displays, mice, expansion cards (video cards
are mac specific though). Apple gives you the VGA adapters.
Don't drag mini and the portables in to the mix, everyone elses
micro boxes and portables are the way, little room for upgrade. I
can add RAM, a PCMCIA card, and put a larger Hard Drive in my
PowerBook, same as PC counterparts. The time I spend NOT
doing spyware / virus scans I will enjoy doing something else.
Oh, when you get the guts to buy a Mac and admit you like it,
you will find so many things you can do, and do better, than a
Windows box.
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