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Microsoft is still working to finish Windows Vista, but the company wants consumers to "Get Ready" now.

On Thursday, the company kicked off a campaign aimed at helping customers prepare for the new operating system, which is set for a mainstream launch in January.

As expected, Microsoft gave details of two programs. The "Vista-capable" program allows machines that meet a minimum set of requirements to tout themselves as able to run the new Windows.

Vista Upgrade Advisor

Computer makers who meet higher requirements will be able to tout their machines as "Premium Ready," indicating the PCs are able to take advantage of higher-end features, such as Vista's Aero graphics.

"There's really no reason to wait until the launch of Windows Vista to start shopping for a PC that can deliver a great Windows Vista experience or to start thinking about upgrading your current PC to windows Vista," product manager Greg Amrofell said in a telephone interview.

Microsoft also launched on Thursday a "Get Ready" Web site, which includes an Upgrade Advisor tool to help people determine just how Vista-ready an existing PC is.

The downloadable program is designed to tell people which features and versions of Vista their PC is able to run, thereby abstracting some of the complex requirements of Vista. For example, Aero graphics require a certain amount of memory bandwidth--a measurement of PC performance that few people are likely to know about in their machine. The advisor tool will simply say whether a PC will work out or not, rather than focus on specific requirements.

That way, customers "don't have to spend time in the footnotes of complex system requirements," said Mike Burk, the PR Manager, Windows Client.

What's needed?

New PCs must meet these requirements to be tagged as able to run Windows Vista at either of two levels.

Vista-capable Premium Ready
Processor Modern chip (at least 800MHz) 1GHz 32-bit (x86)
or 64-bit (x64)
System memory 512MB 1GB
GPU DirectX 9 capable (WDDM support recommended) Runs Windows Aero
Graphics memory (none specified) 128MB
HDD (none specified) 40GB
HDD free space (none specified) 15GB
Optical drive (none specified) DVD-ROM drive

Note: Processor speed is the nominal operational chip frequency for the PC. The DVD-ROM for Premium Ready can be external.

Source: Microsoft

That said, Microsoft did publish official minimum requirements for Vista on Thursday, largely matching the Vista-capable specifications. Systems need an 800 MHz processor, 512MB of memory, a 20GB hard drive with 15GB of free space and a CD-ROM drive. That guarantees access to Vista's core features, but not Aero and other premium features.

To be classified as Vista-capable, a computer needs an 800MHz processor, 512MB of memory and a DirectX 9-capable graphics card. Premium Ready machines need a 1GHz processor, 128MB of graphics memory, 1GB of system memory, a 40GB hard drive and an internal or external DVD-ROM drive.

While Microsoft has provided some clarity on checking a PC for Vista, it's not a straightforward process, said Michael Cherry, an analyst at market research firm Directions on Microsoft.

"I don't understand why it has to be this complex," he said. "Why can't this be written up on a one-page piece of paper in a manner that you don't have to be an electrical engineer to understand?"

Most shipping PCs should be Vista-capable, Microsoft said. For example, all systems introduced by Dell this year are Vista-capable. The majority of Dell's Vista-capable machines will support Aero graphics and more than three-fourths of its models can be configured to run the fancier graphics. Dell is also offering 17 custom-configured systems that are designed to support Aero.

"Our sense is that the vast majority of PCs do meet the requirements for the Vista-capable logo," Amrofell said. As for Premium Ready, he said that "a good number of PCs do meet the bar, and that's going to grow over the next few months."

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The marketing programs and upgrade tool are designed to ease some of the uncertainty around Vista well ahead of the back-to-school and holiday shopping seasons, the two biggest PC selling times of the year. Vista had long been expected to arrive by the 2006 holidays, but Microsoft said in March that it would not arrive on store shelves until January.

Kevin Johnson, head of the business unit that includes Windows, said in an interview with CNET News.com this week that Microsoft is likely to have some kind of discount or upgrade program to help those who buy a PC this holiday season upgrade to Vista.

"Yeah, there's likely to be something," Johnson said, without giving specifics.

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How many people buy Windows upgrades?
I bet only a few percent (if that) of Windows users ever buy an upgrade to their current version - I bet 95%+ of users buy a new PC to upgrade their OS. So this tool to see whether your PC can run Vista is somewhat pointless - if your machine's more than 18 months old, the answer's "no"...
Posted by rklrkl (143 comments )
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Are you joking?
My home machine ( a $1100 Dell 2 years ago) meets the Premium specs on everything but the video card. And you could add that video card for little money now.
I agree with you that most Windows users don't upgrade, even if they can, but just about everything but the ultra-low end machines should make the cut on at least running Vista.
Posted by catch23 (436 comments )
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My computer
is 37 months old but I don't care, because VISTA is full of bugs probably..
Posted by paulsecic (298 comments )
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Academic Discussion - People Get Windows with PCs
This article is largely meaningless as most users get Windows WITH a new PC. It seems to me that the various Windows Vista levels are less a market distinction--because the market for upgrades is tiny versus Windows-with-PC sales--than what is in effect a craftily engineered major price increase for a reasonably capable PC. The base Vista being a joke.

Essentially, Microsoft is forcing a dramatic rise in the cost of new PCs AND it's taking that extra price increase entirely for itself.

I ran the Vista advisor on my desktop system and it recommended either Premium or the NEXT ONE UP just to get what I have now under XP Pro. XP Pro ups the price of a new PC by $100-$150 at purchase or about $300 AS AN UPGRADE after purchase here in Canada.


Vista is going to kill the market for reasonably priced PCs, since in Canada in looks to me that a low-end sans-monitor PC will go from say $400 to $700 if one wants modest capability but barely XP Home capability at that.

Really, it looks to me that now is a good time to buy a Windows XP Pro equipped PC, or a low-cost XP Home system to which one can add Pro after (sometimes this is cheaper than an XP Pro equipped PC from a low-cost vendor).
Posted by PolarUpgrade (103 comments )
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Not Very Academic
If you are going to make the statement:

<<Essentially, Microsoft is forcing a dramatic rise in the cost of new PCs AND it's taking that extra price increase entirely for itself.>>

You should at least back it up with some logic... facts would be nice too.

Since Microsoft started releasing information about Vista, the system requirements have been decreasing. Today, a machine with an 800Mhz processor and 512MB of RAM is pretty sub-par, and could be found for less than $400 at the right place.

Essentially, I see little to zero increase in cost as a result of the hardware requirements for Vista. I see nothing but speculation on actual Vista licensing, which is always FAR lower than retail pricing... and with multiple versions, there will logically be multiple price points.

SO... you've also asserted that Microsoft is claiming the entire price increase for themselves, yet you really failed to identify any price increase at all. I assume this is pure speculation, since actual product pricing is pretty much still unknown.

It would appear that you have completely failed to support your accusation that Microsoft dramatically increased the price of a new PC solely for its own financial benefit.
Posted by David Arbogast (1709 comments )
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Premium Ready - Cost of Vista Upgrade?
And if I buy a Premium Ready computer, how much is a copy of Vista going to cost me?

The correct answer should be Free Upgrade.

It would be annoying to pay Microsoft twice for operating systems, once of XP Preinstalled and a second time for Vista. It's too early to be outraged though. -lol
Posted by john55440 (1020 comments )
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Proabably the "car without the wheels" version will be free later
Prediction: Windows Vista "Car Without Wheels Edition" will be FREE later if you buy a Vista-ready PC now.

I guess that the freebie will be promoted as generous but of course will still require the use to upgrade. The effect will be that as one then has "Vista" (even sans what amounts to wheels on a car feature-wise) users will still be able to step up to what they need TO ACTUALLY USE VISTA meaningfully for "upgrade from basic Vista" pricing, versus buying Vista as an upgrare to XP.
Posted by PolarUpgrade (103 comments )
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I'm no upgrading.
Ridiculous.

Needless to say I won't be upgrading for a few years.

I'll wait until Vista has a few upgrades in before taking the leap.

Atleast they have a chart on what it can run on. Now why don't
they release a booklet or some type of mailout for all the
millions of Windows Users out there.

I'm actually really interested in getting an Apple now that it can
run Window's natively.. hope Vista will work for Apple Hardware
too. Cause I'm serious contention of getting a MacBook.
Posted by ServedUp (413 comments )
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I'm not upgrading.
Ridiculous.

Needless to say I won't be upgrading for a few years.

I'll wait until Vista has a few upgrades in before taking the leap.

Atleast they have a chart on what it can run on. Now why don't
they release a booklet or some type of mailout for all the
millions of Windows Users out there.

I'm actually really interested in getting an Apple now that it can
run Window's natively.. hope Vista will work for Apple Hardware
too. Cause I'm serious contention of getting a MacBook.
Posted by ServedUp (413 comments )
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Apple Hardware...
Apple hardware SHOULD work with Vista. Boot Camp proves that XP
will run on the Intel-based Apple hardware, so Vista shouldn't be
an issue.

At this point, it's all conjecture, though.
Posted by nightveil (133 comments )
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Good for you !
I switched to Macs in 2002 and have never looked back !

"I'm actually really interested in getting an Apple now that it can
run Window's natively.."

I hope you will try OS X 10.4 Tiger and iLife 06 too. IMO they are
worth the price of the hardware !!

"Cause I'm serious contention of getting a MacBook."

I have one, you will love it, very fast!!

-Robert
Posted by redison (19 comments )
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Double it
The reviews I've read says you need 2GB of system memory and will
want 256mb of video ram to be happy with the full boat Vista.

Sounds about right since I've found it takes 1GB of ram on an XP
system to get Windows to stop swapping out to the disk under light
loads (Outlook & Excel for example)
Posted by rcrusoe (1305 comments )
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Steep requirements
These memory and video requirements for Vista are pretty steep. I can run a faster, more stable Linux machine with a lot less hardware.
Posted by Get_Bent (534 comments )
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what about multi-pc's???
I simply can't understand why, especially with all the versions, they cannot release a multi-pc version for the home. I just checked out apple's site the other day and they can sell you an OS for up to 5 pc's for just a little more ($200).

If MS really wants to appeal to the geeks, they should take this approach. There is no sense in having all these dumb versions and no deal like this. Nearly EVERY other software in the world you can use on more than 1 pc, why not your OS?

Especially now that they admit that it'll run (barely) on an 800MHZ chip with enough ram/HD space. There really ought to be a multi-pc version, there is NO excuse.
Posted by amungusoid (4 comments )
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I'm going to wait
Until M$ creates an all-new OS. I'm tired of their backward-compatible OS's that perpetuate known problems.

There must come a time, when M$ draws a line in the sand & says - here's the new OS. You can only run older apps. via an emulator. Then they'd tell people that the following OS would not support the emulator - i.e.you'd have 1 itteration of the all-new OS in which to replace existing software.

In order to remove all the faults that people (many posting here) complain about, it's going to take an all new OS.
Posted by DryHeatDave (79 comments )
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M$ is a profit motivated business first, computer inovator second
They are unlikely to change the licensing structure. Apple see's value in being friendly to customers by offering the family pack. Microsoft see's value in taking there customer for everything they can. Why give away a multiple license when the customer is still silly enough to pay for each machine seporately.

Tech types have hated Billysoft since the open letter to the computer club followed by years of greed motivated business practices and beta quality products.

Business types love Billysoft for meeting the ideals of business by successfully and repeatedly selling the equivalent of a car with loose steering, no breaks and tinfoil seatbelts (windshield only included with premium license).

The marketing magic is that customers keep coming back; "The deathdrap we baught from you has nearly killed my family six times in the last month but I hear you now have a deathdrap availabe in blue that can only be driven on four lane highways; I must have one. The last one cost me an arm and a leg, do you accept internal organs instead?"
Posted by jabbotts (492 comments )
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MS OSes are Beta quality
I am not a hater of anybody, I have an Open mind and I judge all software no matter who it is made by like that. To date all OS releases from the very start are no more then Beta quality, even with all the Service Packs and patching, it is very unstable. This includes Win 3.1, 98, 2000 (especially) XP.

Vista better be a step up, because this time around there is a lot more choice in the market place then when Windows 98 or 2000 came out.

Locking up, crashing, rebooting, all that better be ancient history, or MS will start loosing market share.

I bought windows 95 once, and that was it. I never bought software since then because it isn't worth the money. Once they start coming out with software that dones't require a re-install every 6 months, then I may consider, why not.

Love the Xbox 360/Office is pretty good, but that's about it.
Posted by rmiecznik (224 comments )
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you make no sense...
You totally contradict yourself by saying that you've used all the
flavors of Windows, then state that you've never bought anything
but Windows 95.
Posted by regan2 (29 comments )
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Reinstall Windows???
>Once they start coming out with software that dones't require a re-install every 6 months, then I may consider, why not.<

I'm typing this in a 2002 WinXP HP computer. I have never had to reinstall Windows.

(I've never had to reinstall Office XP 2002 either.)
Posted by john55440 (1020 comments )
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And what, pray tell?
Exactly what are you doing to your Windows machines that requires a full format/reinstall every six months? Because I push my home PC about as hard as a user can push a personal computer and I've never had any of the problems you seem to think are pandemic to Windows machines.

I've seen exactly one blue screen from my current computer, and that's only because of something stupid I did (which I admit fully). The last computer I had XP on was an old IBM ThinkPad that started with 98, upgraded to 2K, and finally to XP Pro. I saw exactly two blue screens in over three years of use (again, the problem was in the chair, not in the computer). "But when did you put XP on it?" you must be asking.

Launch week, actually.

After all, a computer's only as good as its user.
Posted by Christopher Hall (1205 comments )
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Laptops get Hosed / HD requirement
15 GB additional space for full install? Additional space (I just ran the upgrade test). How many laptops can afford to give away 15GB of additional hard drive space!
Posted by canadaboy (14 comments )
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yeah,
My Gateway has a 20GB HD and I definately don't have 15 GB of free space
Posted by darrius3365 (98 comments )
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Laptop HD Upgrades
The cost of internal laptop hard drives is constantly dropping. Shop around (brick & mortar and internet sites) and you will find 80GB and higher for around $100.
Posted by talleyja (1 comment )
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Advisor doesn't work under Windows XP x64 Pro
Doesn't work under Windows XP x64 Pro. Too bad.

I'm really hoping that the industry will embrace Vista 64-bit. The lackluster driver availability from certain companies is very irritating.
Posted by goalcam (16 comments )
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What is the point of upgrading?
1. It is nothing more then a copy of what others have been doing for years, and still lacks features that are over 10 years old. A file system that doesn't need defragging? Not in windows, but has been that way for others for nearly forever.

2. It is still built on buggy, unsecure legacy code. Hence it will still not come close to OSX or Linux.

3. It is grossly overpriced and requries far too much hardware relative to its features. A competant software company would have the requirements down another 25-50%.

About half the windows world currently uses XP. I bet they will be lucky to get half of the XP users to upgrade and 10% of the rest.
Posted by Bill Dautrive (1179 comments )
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It isn't about upgrades except in terms of a computing cost rise
Indeed there is no economic argument for upgrading to Vista from another MS OS. Most Windows sales have been via new PCs; so why the positioning of "upgrades" in the media spin as a focus?

Logically, this is about providing cover for what in the context of new PC sales amounts to stripping previously assumed-as-included OS features at point of sale, and then selling them back after the purchase. The brilliance here is that in effect virtually all of the profit in Vista upgrarding (which will be after-PC purchase stepups from Vista Mostly Useless to Vista More Costly) will go to Microsoft, because the user gets base Vista and then pays ONLY MS to go up the pay-for-it feature tier of Vista versions.

It is in effect a major price increase in the cost of a Windows PC, but the price increase is being brilliantly taken by MS in terms of after-purchase Vista stepup upgrades.

The other brilliant thing here is that it means there is artificlally soon to be no such thing as a fully capable low-cost PC, since we can be sure all low-cost PCs will have only base model Vista. Yes, we can buy the car without wheels, but since the wheels will cost a lot more aftermarket, the low-end PC will be a thing of the past in short order.

The raal effect of all this is that computing is headed back toward being an upmarket choice for the upper-middle class, as low-cost buyers may simply decide not to buy at all.
Posted by PolarUpgrade (103 comments )
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And the alternatives?
Aside from just staying with XP.

Can you really see the average pc user running Linux? Linux has come a long way but is still not ready for primetime.

And Apple clearly doesn't want anything more than the niche snob market.

**** and moan all you want but most computer users are going to stay with Windows of one variety or another.

Unfortunately, people will eventually be forced to upgrade as software availability for older versions becomes sparse. If people want newer versions of their apps or newer games, they will need newer computers and newer versions of Windows, just to meet minimum requirements.
Posted by J_Satch (571 comments )
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WTF?
The majority of PCs out there belong to Joe Blow, who uses a
Celeron around 450 or MHz, with anywhere from 64 to 128 MB
RAM, and maybe 40 GB HD space average.

I think these sum it all up:

<a class="jive-link-external" href="http://www.network54.com/Forum/7505/" target="_newWindow">http://www.network54.com/Forum/7505/</a>

<a class="jive-link-external" href="http://www.pbs.org/cringely/pulpit/pulpit20060504.html" target="_newWindow">http://www.pbs.org/cringely/pulpit/pulpit20060504.html</a>

Cringely has a damn good point about the average PC user, who
doesn't have the latest Alineware-esque PC, but a simple PC for
Internet and stuff.
Posted by fakespam (239 comments )
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minimum stats aren't bad, before programs
Somebody here pointed it out pretty good, that it's not easy to get a system that is NOT "Vista-capable" except used and really low end (I don't think there are any new PCs with less than 1GHz chips, even laptops.)

XP only requires 300HMz (400 for Movie Maker), 128 Ram, 8MB Video ram (for DVD playback) and a 33.6 modem (for video conferencing and (non-virus) file sharing). My 6 year old system (barely) meets these requirements though I have no intention of running XP on the system.

Unfortunately if you are running close to the minimum specs then when you try to actually run a program your system is going to grind s-l-o-w-l-y.

Most people will get Vista when they buy their next computer. I suspect that the non-Premium is to appease the budget computer people and the few people looking to upgrade their existing system.

Plus you have to remember, by the time Vista ACTUALLY comes out, Budget laptops will be running 1+ Terahertz!
Posted by dragonbite (452 comments )
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web site
Has anyone else tried opening this Microsoft web site not using IE? I opened it with Safari, most of the web site is not even visable, it looks horrible. Prime reason to never use Microsoft tools, they only work with other Microsoft tools. If they had used Dreamweaver and Flash, at least the site would be presentable.
Posted by don0522 (1 comment )
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Vista Smista
Another bloated operating system from microsoft. Nothings changed, except the year. Microsoft needs another competitor in this realm, like Intel has AMD.
Posted by DAVIDINTEL (4 comments )
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It Does
Try OS X 10.4 Tiger
Posted by redison (19 comments )
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15 Gigs of FREE SPACE?!?!?!
What in the hell is thing installing thatt needs 15 gigs of Free space? Even the largest install isn't much more than a Gig. Linux requires just over half a gig... and this wants FIFTEEN?!?!

***.

I guess they really didn't rebuild Windows XP, they just added 3 times more bloat on it trying to reach the graphical look of OS X.
Posted by (461 comments )
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I Noticed That Too
The whole Vista thing is a scam. They want you to buy an entire new system so that you have the luxury of:

* Using MS's security programs

* Getting built in DRM

* Using MS's stupid photo program

* Getting yet another tie-in to MSN (which I don't want), Windows Media (which I don't want), and more IE fun.

What am I missing. This OS has all the makings of being a bloated mess. If you use XP for business, I can't see any reason to move to Vista.
Posted by R. U. Sirius (745 comments )
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well if MS would embrace driver standards
MS performance when it comes to requiring peripherals to adhere
to standards is atrocious, which is why one reason their OS has
problems.
Posted by curtegg (38 comments )
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The M$ marketing cycle continues
Nothing will change:
- mondane users will take what the computer vendor gives them.
- Mid range geeks will take more interest in osX (being a consise distribution of linux with Mac branding).
- Experience geeks will stick to Linux where they are now.

Just for fun, let's review the M$ development cycle.

Microscrap products are never out of beta until the third public distribution. Dos 3.0 ran great by 3.11 two versions later. The third update of win95, win98 and winXP all make the product usable after finally capturing most of the bugs that should have been corrected in development. I'm sure Vista will be pretty and after a number of major updates, usable even.

But that's just pattern recognition for anyone that's seen more than two releases from redmond. The old strategy remains the same:
- Dump product into the market place until the market is saturated. (i.e. everybody has a copy of winblows forced on them and average low end hardware can run it with all "features" tweaked out)
- Cause media hoopla over the next version of winblows. "win95 is coming, it's going to save the world! oh wait, sorry, win98 is coming, it's going to save the world.. oh.. my bad.. it's called winXP now and it's going to save the world."
- Release the new product. This is only after everyone is hooked on the old product and the media has had ample chance to do Billy's marketing for him.
- Last, get the now released product above beta quality and start dropping hints about the next version of windows. Take your time with the next "timely" product release so the hardware industry has ample time to saturate it's market places with expensive hardware that is now the basic requirnment for running the OS not the power hungry systems that are suposed to run over top of it like today's pretty pretty games.

My last gripe for today; shouldn't the OS be a resource minimal thin layer between the hardware and the application the user is running? If my computer where a couch, shouldn't the game I'm playing or database I'm building get to sit square in the middle nice and comfy with lots of room. As it stands now, winblows bloated code takes up three quarter's of the couch leaving the game (what I'm actually doing with the machine) squished to one side hanging over the arm rest.

It used to be that what you actually did with the computer drove the need for newer hardware not the layer of software between the hardware and what the user is doing.

Vista will be pretty but it's being developed to require new hardware not take advantage of current hardware improvements since XP was released. Will the release after Vista require a physX board just to boot up?
Posted by jabbotts (492 comments )
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Same old stuff - come on Linux guys I thought you would have something new
You know I wasnt going to write anything but after reading the misguided comments I decided to write something.

All of you *nix and Mac geeks spend so much time looking for faults in the MS OS yet most if not all of your comments are hypercritcal. You talk of bloat - installed Linux latey? Oh I hear you whine, you can custom your installation - who really cares about compiling kernels and there's so much interdependancy in *nix these days you're pretty much stuck with the lot anyway.

But what about the hardware I hear you say - so what we're all buying new machines over time. Most people will buy with a new PC anyway. Those who upgrade beforehand are going to be geeks anyway and they've already got the grunty hardware. Dont like that, find a decent Linux game or a decent video driver to display it. -- Now before you pledge to hunt me down and hack my matrix - stop and think for a second.. Each platform has its place and it's strengths and weaknesses. I use *nix in some places and Windows in others. I don't go on holy rampages talking about how insecure Windows is. Come on most Linux platforms are misconfigured and have unnecessary services running. I've still yet to find a well enough documented Linux system that I can make assumptions on the behaviour of the environment. The simple point is any platform can be compromised if the correct steps aren't taken to secure and manage that platform.

So what about Mac - now here's an interesting platform - sure it's stable - or at least the jandal wearing advertising creatives perceive it that way, but who wouldnt be if they had a limited set of hardware to support. Windows on Mac - cool my girlfriend finally will get a pretty Windows box. That's right Linux boys - Windows guys get girlfriends :) Ok again just kidding.
But seriously if Apple can encourage perhaps gaming on their platform - bit harder now without the power pc, then maybe they might start selling their OS to PC-based platforms - bummer here's that driver stability thing again.

You're all smart people who may have very real concerns but let's for a second think of 99.99% of PC users and what it is they want - They just want to get the job done and do so in an environment they're familiar with. including applications guys so that includes those Windows based LOB which drive a large part of business IT. Yep MS has some work to do here but as an entire platform MS is still superior.
Posted by DeadPenguins (1 comment )
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15 gigs compared to 1-2 for linux?
And that includes a ton of apps, far more then in Vista.

Vista is bloat.
Posted by qwerty75 (1164 comments )
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Hmm I agree Dead Penguins
Some of these computer users that post here don't get.
The person who said 1-2 gigs for a Linux install, try again. Must like no GUI interfaces and command lines. I really don't worry about hard space anymore and anyway.
MAC, hmmm, finally some one who writes the truth.
Also, you are right if The OS is misconfigured it is not secure...even Unix which makes Linux look like a whimp.
I see the strengths and weaknesses in an OS before I judge it. here are a few of my judgements:

1. Linux: Hard to understand and use, poor documenttation, not user friendly. Not cost effective to deploy from an IT standpoint.

2.Windows: Not secure right out of the box needs updates which are slow in coming. Still most people and employees can use it. IT likes this OS platform. It's easier to deploy, maintain, and less expensive in the long haul.

3 MAC Grrr...Who uses this OS anyway? I tried it; I see why it was out done by Windows a long time ago. It is the most expensive OS to own I seen, Software isn't cheap either....I give up on this MAC OS, I could write a book.

Now don't get me started on a true server platforms, here Widows isn't superior in the field, but dead penguins is right MS and the Windows OS has the playing field in IT and home users.
So, show something new tricks Linux or MAC, not the same old stuff re-hashed over &#38; over. I agree MS and Windows need work, but that being said I used to think Linux and MAC users didn't get it, but now I know they can't sell it.:)
Posted by KensPC (1 comment )
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What Are They Smoking in Redmond
&gt; "There's really no reason to wait until the launch
&gt; of Windows Vista to start shopping for a PC that
&gt; can deliver a great Windows Vista experience or to
&gt; start thinking about upgrading your current PC to
&gt; windows Vista," product manager Greg Amrofell said
&gt; in a telephone interview.

Uh, no sorry Greg. Despite your prognostications, I am quite happy with the PC I have, and Windows XP. No doubt there will be tons more "features" in Vista that I don't want, and won't be able to jettison, so I will pass on buying your "upgrade".

When I'm ready for a new computer, I'll look at Apple or Linux.
Posted by R. U. Sirius (745 comments )
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Yup. One reason for windows...
Games. That is the only reason for windows. I've been running linux for the last 5 years on my PC. I currently have a 1.1ghz celeron with 512mb ram and a Geforce 2 Ultra.

The thing runs perfectly fine for every single thing I need. Programming, school work, e-mail, browsing, music, movies, etc. I've saved myself about four thousand dollars by using linux.

Oh and it runs Quake3 fine, the only game I need.

Install linux (i HIGHLY recommend slackware, as its the simplest and fastest) next time windows borks, and then save up for a MacBook if you ever feel the need for something new and portable.

Cheers
Posted by DynamicStability (19 comments )
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All I want to do is get in and drive...
The problem with making Windows work in a home PC is that
maintenance becomes too time consuming. It's a bit like buying
a British-made car. It might be a really nice ride, but if it spends
more time on jack stands than on the road, you'll get pretty tired
of it if you don't have another car as a daily driver. Of course,
that might be OK if you're a real fan of tinkering with cars, but
all I want to do with a car is get in and drive.

Our family found the same in our H-P PC with Win98. We got a
few viruses, then cleaned them out and upgraded our antivirus
software; but then it started to run so slowly (the antivirus was
too demanding on what had been an economy-grade machine)
that it became virtually useless. The "blue screen of death"
became an all too familiar sight. None of us are really "geeks",
and we didn't have time to fix all the problems that cropped up.

Our family moved over to Mac in 2004, and would never go
back. We bought an eMac with a full GB of RAM and a 1.25 GHz
G4 chip in it, and Panther for an OS, and it has been reliably rock
solid and stable ever since. It has frozen up so rarely that I can't
remember the last time, and once we unlearned some Windows
stuff, it was away to the races. And, it came packed with
everyday software: the full iLife suite, AppleWorks, Quicken for
Mac, Safari, etc.

In conclusion: Windows is like a Chevy...cheap and mass-
produced, but not very reliable. Macs are like Toyotas...you
might pay a bit more, but they never let you down.
Posted by jerrymacGP (248 comments )
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XP uses close to 10.. you just dont know about it.
Lets see.. XP uses:
1.5gig install
2.Recycle bin uses min 10% total disk space
3.System restore uses what? min 10%?

Say you have an 80gig drive thats
1.5gig+8gig+8gig=17.5gig for an 80gig drive (nice of them to not show it as being used though)

If you have a 40gig drive (which they probably figure most people have) thats:
1.5gig+5gig+4gig).

Vista will probably show as using like 2 gig cos they dont like to alarm people to the friggin massive filing of recycle bin and sys restore. Id say atleast they are being honest but without thier 10% hog utilites how will it install? Yeah you can turn them off after install i know. I have :-)
Posted by Keitherjames (3 comments )
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test for vista gave blue screen
Running xp sp2 on a dell xps gen 2 with 1 gig of ram, I got a blue screen running the test for vista capability. yikes!!!!
Posted by jmcwb (1 comment )
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Just download Google Pack
If you download Google Pack, it will enrich your current Windows experience to the level of Vista, but with more stability and performance.

Google Pack is free too.
Posted by t8 (3716 comments )
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Download Google Pack instead
If you download Google Pack, it will enrich your current Windows experience to the level of Vista, but with more stability and performance.

Google Pack is free too.
Posted by t8 (3716 comments )
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How to slow down Windows even more.
The only good software in that pack such as adaware and Firefox(well I use Opera) I already have. How does the Google Pack increase the stability of Windows, especially when it includes Norton?
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