January 16, 2010 3:47 PM PST

Chinese site criticizes investor for Google support

Chinese site criticizes investor for Google support
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Alibaba Group of China says Yahoo appeared to follow Google in suggesting the Chinese government was behind cyberattacks.
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No love lost for Alibaba. ;)
Posted by captain_numerica (128 comments )
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china is a pirate country and pretty dumb. They just "copy" or "steal" everything. I'm not sure how
ancient chinese did the "copy" thing?

You go to china and you will see clone of every western product you can think of.
Posted by slickuser (668 comments )
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@slickuser
And you don't see this in the u.s. ???
I see it everywhere. In the subway stations of NYC, movies that are still in the theaters. Street corners with either knock off or real designer clothing.

Or how about all the stuff you don't see physically like online piracy which we pioneered in this country.

Or how about what is on television where most of the shows are based on shows that originated from other countries. Its been that way since the 70s.

So don't be so quick to throw your rocks in your glass house and no I have no love lost for the chinese govt either. But we shouldn't point fingers in areas where we are just as bad.
Posted by renGek (1455 comments )
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It's not at all suspicious that the methods of obfuscation are similar to those used in attacks on government servers..
Posted by Kasar99 (242 comments )
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B R E A K I N G N E W S ! Chinese-run company, required to support the government to keep operating, has voiced its support for the government. The Chinese know what to do with companies that don't play ball - find tax problems (just like the Ruskies). Google.cn wants to oppose the government? Uh oh it owes $5 billion in taxes per the new calculation, fees, and interest. Alibaba isn't going to stand up for its users, it's basically the fleabay straight between the locally-made crp.
Posted by sanenazok (3449 comments )
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Hit the nail on the head with your statements, sanenazok.....someone really needs to take the Chinese to task, but I doubt that anyone will have the 'stones' to do so in the near future.
Posted by Lerianis4 (4855 comments )
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The world is evil and corrupt.
Posted by t8 (3716 comments )
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No. The world at large is not 'evil' nor 'corrup' unless you have an extremely encompassing view of those two things.
Posted by Lerianis4 (4855 comments )
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I've had my share of experience with the Chinese Governments and Alibaba and it is no surprise that Alibaba is defending the Chinese Government. After all, the Chinese Government is involved with Alibaba's activities.

I know for a fact that in China, Chinese Government are not only censoring the media, but the Internet as well. They have put in place a policy where all the main Internet arteries are subject to Chinese Government's use of monitoring all data stream--Big Brother and censorship. There is no democracy in China.

Alibaba, well, what can I say about you bastards. I was ripped off in a business deal by a shady dealer. I will NEVER trust Alibaba EVER again.
Posted by RegisteredUser999 (239 comments )
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I wouldn't be shocked to see Google retreat from China.
http://www.forbes.com/2009/12/21/google-baidu-internet-intelligent-technology-fannin.html
http://www.forbes.com/2010/01/15/baidu-china-search-intelligent-technology-google.html
Posted by beehere (2 comments )
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I would not trust Google or Yahoo with my private data as long as they help dictators censor and imprison dissidents. Since Bush/Cheney I do no even trust the USA government and I'm not even convinced of Google's benign motives in pulling out of China. No cloud for me, thank you very much!
Posted by johaster (7 comments )
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Hmm, it looks like the Chinese government is slowly "taking over" all the top-notched local businesses built up by American companies, way to go guys.
I suppose we will need to learn Chinese if we want to browse the Internet, all controlled and censored so we are all happy families living in protected cocoons.
For those businesses who left Google alone fending for themselves, it will be your turn soon...you are next.
Posted by johnta06 (1 comment )
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Where is Microsoft whose lapses caused all these troubles for Google and Yahoo ?

Google and Yahoo are running around like headless chickens, while Microsoft has so far been very quite .. is someone laughing in the back room drinking cocktails?
Posted by IT_Dude (79 comments )
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Microsoft didn't have any lapses here. There have been updates to Windows 7 and Vsita that would have kept these attacks from happening for a long time. UAC would have kept people's computers from getting infected in the first place, so they couldn't be used for this attack.
Posted by Lerianis4 (4855 comments )
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I am from China.
So far haven't heard of any evidence that could relates the attack to Chinese government, all I heard of are assumptions. The fact the attack did originate in China doesn't mean it's sponsored by the government, nor does it imply it's Chinese hacker did it: it's practically possible for a people to control a remote Chinese server to initiate the attack.

Turning the case politically also confuse me. Does US government having any supportive evidence before commenting and operating on the case? Last time we heard of a assumption/rumor about Iraq having biological weapon, and government initiated a war.

Pardon my poor English.
Posted by oneyouht (1 comment )
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Uh, oneyouht...... Google was PRIVATELY talking about not playing ball with Chinese anti-privacy laws before this, then all of a sudden they were attacked? I see a connection there, and it comes RIGHT BACK to your corrupt and evil government.
Posted by Lerianis4 (4855 comments )
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Aha, but politicians can be excused sometimes due to their low IQ, while Google exec are genius who can reflect on reality.
Posted by IT_Dude (79 comments )
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If it was loose assumptions, the chinese govt would have made a major statement defending themselves. But they have been quiet. So they pretty much admit it without very many words.

From what I understand, its not like several individuals were hired to do the dirty work. The whole thing was coordinated in a systematic way and could not have been perpetrated by individuals acting alone.

Hooooowever, I'm no fool. I'm sure the u.s. is and have been doing the exact same thing. One only needs to read about u.s. and former soviet union relationship during the cold war to know espionage is never a one way street.

The reason other companies are not speaking up is the basic reason...$$$$$$ China is emerging as an economic power house with the rise of their middle class. They look to me to be on track to take over from the u.s. as the one with the buying power. U.S. companies know this and want to tread lightly.
Posted by renGek (1455 comments )
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"So far haven't heard of any evidence that could relates the attack to Chinese government..." Have you considered the possibility that the evidence was censored so that you would not hear about it?
Posted by Seaspray0 (9714 comments )
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Evidence, well how about the fact that the attacks have been traced to a Chinese server in Taiwan that is mostly used by the mainland Chinese government and the recent attacks bear the same mo., as previous attacks which were tracked right back to th Chinese government. The internet is not quite as anonomous as you seem to believe, people can be tracked to their servers and more with high tech equipment and knowledgable technicians. Also look at this quote from your own politician;

"The U.S. has criticized China's policies to administer the Internet and insinuated that China restricts Internet freedom...This runs contrary to the facts and is harmful to China-U.S. relations," a Chinese Foreign Ministry spokesman said in a statement quoted by Reuters, the BBC, and others.

How can he expect any one to believe this statement when the whole world knows that your government wanted an internet filter and block software installed on all new PCs and even that software code was stolen from an American company which is currently sueing the Chinese government for millions of dollars in lost sales costs from that theft. Their lawyers PCs were even hacked by your so called trustworthy government. You people have all been brainwashed by your own politicians, you need to open your eyes to reality a little bit before you critizise the rest of the world.
Posted by marswat (29 comments )
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almost everything we have in our house and is made in China.....and google is in China because of cheap labor
Posted by longdsu (15 comments )
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Every business matter is also political matter now if it is in China? Maybe they just don't want to be resisted by Chinese people because yahoo's statement.
Posted by ghostrain2010 (7 comments )
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Goggle is in China because of cheap labor, get real! They are an internet company not a shoe maker or clothes maker. They go where the internet users are, and then make money from advertising which obviously has to be relevant to the local market or no-one would advertise with them. Like there is not much use putting Chinese advertising on Goggle France is there. If they want some of the Chinese market they have to be operating in China...da!
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