January 27, 2006 3:22 PM PST

Allchin: Buy Vista for the security

If new features won't get you to upgrade to Vista, security enhancements should, Windows chief Jim Allchin has urged.

Microsoft has already touted the bells and whistles it is putting into Windows Vista, the operating system successor to XP that's due out by the end of the year. There will be flashy new graphics, a spiffed-up user interface and advanced search features. Other changes include improved touch-screen support and a Windows sidebar that can display all kinds of information such as upcoming appointments, just-in e-mail messages and a clock.

But if none of that strikes your fancy, Vista will still be worth getting, thanks to its better defenses against phishing attacks, spyware and other malicious code, Allchin said.

"Safety and security is the overriding feature that most people will want to have Windows Vista for," the co-president of Microsoft's platform, products and services division said in an interview with CNET News.com. "Even if they are not into home entertainment or in any of the specialty areas, they are just going to feel safer and more secure by using it."

"Safety and security is the overriding feature that most people will want to have Windows Vista for."
--Jim Allchin, group vice president, Microsoft

That said, Allchin maintained there are plenty of new things to try out in Vista, pointing to a chart filled with added features. In particular, he demonstrated a collaboration tool that uses a "People Near Me" feature, which searches over a Wi-Fi connection for other Vista users nearby and then sets up a peer-to-peer network with them. The tool is meant mostly to enable laptop users to share applications and files, among other things.

During the meeting, Microsoft also showed off new parental controls in Vista. These not only limit which Web sites can be visited, but log activity and restrict when and for how long children can be online.

All of these features shipped in the latest preview version of Vista, which Microsoft released in December. "There are literally thousands of features in this product," Allchin said.

But one of the features Microsoft wanted to include was a bit too much for some of its beta testers, the software maker found. It is reversing its plan to add virtual folders that contain all the files that match specific criteria, such as "created by Michelle" or "images," no matter where they are on the PC. Originally, Microsoft wanted virtual folders to replace standard views, which show the physical location of files on a hard disk drive, but it has backpedaled on that decision.

In the next preliminary Vista release, due in the next couple of months, virtual folders will be in the background. "The default view will be the physical storage space, and then you can create virtual folders on top of it," Allchin said. That should make it easier for people to migrate from Windows XP, he added.

The software maker had already scaled back on planned features for Vista, leaving some out so it could meet a ship date in 2006 for the update.

On the security front, Allchin said that Vista should be a significant leap forward, just as Service Pack 2 was a big improvement on the original Windows XP.

A standard Windows XP computer can get hacked the moment it is connected to the Internet, Allchin said. Service Pack 2 significantly increased security, in large part thanks to automatic security updates and a firewall that is enabled by default. Vista will go much further in protecting consumers, he said.

"If we ever find something trying to open a port that the developer said it should not be opening, it is immediately shut down."
--Allchin

Microsoft is following updated development practices to prevent security bugs and is using new approaches to analyze source code, Allchin said. Additionally, the innards of the operating system are being designed to ward off attacks. "We have put features into the product to double-check itself," he said.

As an example of double-checking, Allchin said Microsoft has marked the OS services to know what network ports they should open and what OS functions they should call. Then, another part of the OS verifies the process. "If we ever find something trying to open a port that the developer said it should not be opening, it is immediately shut down," he said.

Additionally, Vista aims to offer improved security by letting people run their PC with fewer privileges, which control how a particular person can interact with the software. In Windows XP most users have "administrator" privileges, which could be abused by malicious software to install itself on a computer. In Windows Vista, the default will likely be "protected administrator," a new privilege level that Microsoft is introducing with Vista, Allchin said.

If the system is set to protected administrator, people will have to change it to full administrator level to perform certain tasks, such as installing an application. The operating system will warn the person when full privileges are needed.

In the upcoming Vista preview, any action that requires full privileges will be displayed with a shield around it, Allchin said.

Vista will also offer a "standard user" mode, which has the fewest privileges. The standard user mode has been improved from Windows XP--people won't have to call IT to change their PC clock, for instance--but it won't allow a user to install applications, for example. Businesses will probably have software users run in this least-privileged mode, Allchin said.

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Yeah, Right...
Buy Vista!

But before you buy, replace your PC, your graphics card, buy a new notebook..
Compatibility? Well.. some will work, most of them won't, upgrade your software..
Security.. haven't we heard the same song with XP SP2?
Hardware compatibility... some work, some will not. Your DVD-ROM is not fully RPC2? won't work. Your codecs are unsigned? no go..

Yeah, sure, buy Vista.. AstaLaVista for your money!
Posted by hetzbh (43 comments )
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Underground XP next
If all we hear about this DRM Vista stuff is true, there just might end up being an XP underground. Or a big push for Linnux.
Posted by GrandpaN1947 (187 comments )
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Vista, infested with DRM
Why would I want to buy Vista, that is bloated with DRM, and, well, we know Microsofts track record with security.
Posted by bobby_brady (765 comments )
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Hey, you deat me to this one
That was my comment. Why don't they call it like it is, "Windows DRM" and leave the phoney Vista part off. I'll take an insecure PC that does something to a "secure" PC that can't do crap, any time.
Posted by GrandpaN1947 (187 comments )
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Umm you do realize that XP has DRM as well...
Right? And if you are talking about HDCP you can bet your *** that 10.5 Leopard will have it as well (If not you can kiss Hollywood's support for HD in OS X goodbye.) and while XP doesn't have it only means XP won't be able to view HDCP content. There has been a lot of FUD being thrown around about Vista. Some of it legit. Some of it not so much. This falls into the latter category.
Posted by Jonathan (832 comments )
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DRM is here to stay
Media standards that don't include some sort of DRM are going to be an increasingly hard sell in the industry. Content providers just aren't willing to adopt formats that don't include it. We can hope that in the future the technology will improve, becoming less of an irritant to the legal customer. I think we have to remember that with the current crop of DRM solutions we are still in the relative infancy of the technologies application to consumer products.

Windows or not we will have a hard time freeing ourselves from content control. New media formats will require it, end of story. Unless you'd rather skip multimedia altogether, you're probably going to have to accept a little rights managment.
Posted by someguy389 (102 comments )
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Just think, it might, possibly be as good as OSX someday
People near me? isn't this called Bonjour?
Root disabled by default?
metadata search?
These, I already have. Malware free and liking it.

Built on a Mac.
Posted by MrDennmann (2 comments )
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another mac turd
if mac is so great, WHY are you wasting your time here trolling for people to "convert"?

Idiot.
Posted by NRecob (78 comments )
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Posted by FlashFreeze (21 comments )
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Built on a Mac
It's odd that you'd say "built on a mac", considering Apple has basically conceded that it's better to be built on a 21st century X86 compatible PC. A PC that is slightly upgraded from the Compaq Presario X1000 notebook that I purchased back in 2003. Pentium M? Yes. ATI graphics? Yes. USB 2.0? Yes. ATA hard drive? Yes.

Just think, OS X might possibly be as good as Windows XP and Vista someday, because Apple could get off its increasingly transparent high horse and sell me an operating system that will run on my existing hardware (like XP, like Vista). Windows NT and 2000 had hardware compatibility lists. It's not as if it's an impossible task to capture 50-75% of the existing hardware market based on support of NVIDIA/ATI/INTEL 8xx+ chipsets.

*scoff* Yeah, right. It'll never happen.

Mac OS X is like great Chinese literature. If you're fluent in Chinese, then kudos to you, but if you won't provide a translation for the rest of us, then it may as well not exist.
Posted by (39 comments )
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As Good as OS X? Preview Vista's features here!
<a class="jive-link-external" href="http://tauquil.com/archives/2006/01/06/re-introducing-the-real-windows-vista/" target="_newWindow">http://tauquil.com/archives/2006/01/06/re-introducing-the-real-windows-vista/</a>
Posted by Maccess (610 comments )
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"we know XP was crap, so please buy Vista, It's not so crappy"
Isn't this what their saying?
Linux has matured into a fantastic system for people to use. It's
DRM/spyware/virus free.
Or, go with a Mac, and get the best features in Vista NOW, and lose
all the problems with Vista.
Posted by MrDennmann (2 comments )
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Here because
it is fun to read Microsoft officials talk about all the "innovative"
things they are bringing in Vista and comparing it to what we
already have, and have had for quite some time, in Mac OS X.

For example, the article says Microsoft is "introducing" the
protected administrator privilege level. That sort of thing has
been around for a long time in other operating systems. And,
yes, I know XP has non-admin users, but there are lots of
problems with programs not running properly.

People love to say that the Mac OS has security through
obscurity. Although small market share is no doubt helpful, Mac
OS X has been using "protected administrator" privileges for
years. If Microsoft is now touting this feature as being a big
security boost for Windows, then other operating systems that
have it already should be recognized for having superior security
architecture now.
Posted by Thrudheim (306 comments )
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RE: "we know XP was crap, so please buy Vista, it's not so crappy"
Good summary of the interview. The essence is really captured there. :)
Posted by Mendz (519 comments )
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Linux virus free? I think not.
And until tools like Macromedia Studio 8 and MS SQL Server 2005 are on Linux will never bother. Not to mention Delta Force: Xtreme!
Posted by DoohanOK (51 comments )
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Linux even worse crap for idiots
On the contrary, XP isn't crap. It offers ease of use that isn't found in any other OS. If you want to say XP is the choice for idiots, then I will agree with you, but not how you would think. If I was to recommend an operating system for someone who knew nothing about computers, it would be XP since it is simple to set up and very easy to use. No other operating system provides a system that is as functional. Turn an idiot loose with Linux and the operating system won't even get installed in most cases. Even if the idiot managed to get the OS installed, he/she would be lost when it came to installing software or even understanding what the heck "root" is. It is not really designed for idiots. In that respect, it is by no means a "fantastic system for people to use." Up until the early 80's almost nobody had a computer in their house. Many still do not. Most people were born and grew up without them. Even today, most people only know how to do basic functions with computers and their operating system of choice is one that is designed to be the best for them... windows.

You want to use linux? Fine. I'm not going to tell you it's crappy. But you can show me the same respect. I am so tired of hearing linux users badmouth everything but their choice. It's getting old.

Why don't you do something novel like tell us what nice features linux has, how easy it is to do what you want to do, how simple it is to set up and load drivers. Tell us the wide selection of software available and how easy it is to install and configure. WHY DON'T YOU!?!?
Posted by Seaspray0 (9714 comments )
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Microsoft is funny
Buy Vista for "security???"

That's like automobile manufacturer whose cars consistently have
the worst crash results year after year saying buy their latest model
- for "safety!"

lol
Posted by Terry Murphy (82 comments )
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Hey Bill quit!
Put yr MS shares into yr foundation. Appoint Torvalds as chief technological engineer, Jobs as chairman *** sales man. The world will in 1 stoke become paradise, heavenly. No more problems.
B4 u retire pls buy all the media companies so that they provide free music, movies, tv shows and softwares. That solves DRM issues.
perhap one day then people will put u in e leagues of Marx and Lenin. Imagine in 2100 people worshipping William H. Gates III and Gatesism.
Posted by pjianwei (206 comments )
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Maybe you should have done this when you updated NT to 2K
Buy no. Pirate yes. I don't buy an OS for a feature that should have been there 6 freaking years ago. When Microsoft revamped NT and started its consolidation efforts into one OS base it should have started this process then.
Instead Billy Boy has to get bit in the *** with 2K and XP security holes from heck to the extent that an e-mail "mandate" needs to be put out to the company that security comes first. Well duh. I'm not spending 3 figures on a software package just because MS got a clue late in the game. FU Microsoft.
Posted by Jonathan (832 comments )
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Allchin, then and now
Well, CNET interviewed the same guy back in 2001 when XP came out ( <a class="jive-link-external" href="http://news.cbsi.com/2008-1082-272357.html" target="_newWindow">http://news.cbsi.com/2008-1082-272357.html</a> ).

Maybe it's just me, but read the earlier interview and now this one, and let me know what you think.

When I re-read that interview, and now this current one, I get that "AMWAY" feeling. You know, like I should put my teflon suit on or something so nothing will stick.

On a positive note, I'm glad he stopped using terms like "super-happy" and "super-hard-core."

Buying the VistaOS for security purposes when it also allows "People near me" to share app's and doc's? Excuse me?

Microsoft will never solve the security issues because they're a target, and their culture invites people to target them.

Security issues are always going to be an issue with a Microsoft OS. Even IF they eventually did solve the issues, could you ever completely trust that they did?
Posted by cagerattler (72 comments )
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Share files with unauthenticated but always friendly internet users?
&gt;&gt;&gt;Buying the VistaOS for security purposes when it also allows "People near me" to share app's and doc's? Excuse me?&gt;&gt;&gt;

Hahaha! I thought the exact same thing. Meet the new OS same as the old OS.
Posted by scdecade (329 comments )
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That is for Vienna
&gt;&gt; Buying the VistaOS for security purposes when it &gt;&gt; also allows "People near me" to share app's and &gt;&gt; doc's? Excuse me?
Wow! what a nice back-door for hackers! I am sure they will have a lot of fun with this one when Vista is out.

Perhaps it was put their purposely by Microsoft marketing machine so that they could advertise for Vienna in the same way.

"Yeah, I know that Windows Vista was slightly crappy with that PC sharing feature and all, but we have super-security in Vienna!"

Hey, that is the way Microsoft do their business.
Put enough holes around so that they can be patched up in the next "Super OS - &lt;put some name here&gt;".
Posted by pythonhacker (71 comments )
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It's here! Finally! Secure Windows! Great! Fantastic!
Oh! That's great! Windows is going to be secure!

Wait, when did we hear that before?

Oh, right, when we had Windows 95,
then when we had Windows NT,
then Windows 98,
then Windows 98 Second Edition,
then Windows Millenium, which can't really be used anymore if you need to run any decent software, then we heard it again with
Windows 2000,
then Windows XP. Got the Home version? Get the Pro version at twice the price for even greater security.

The story of "improved, enhanced" Windows Security is getting old, Jim.

Tell us more about your forthcoming retirement.

Tell us what you'll be doing when your company launches Windows Vienna (the successor to Vista), which will be "even more than secure."

What will you be using then, Jim? A Mac or Linux box to make sure your memoirs aren't obliterated by the next piece of malware charging through all those secure Windows boxes?
Posted by Maccess (610 comments )
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Buy Vista for Security? Thats what we bought XP for
It looks like the mental midgets over at Microsoft are yet again trying to make fools out of all of it's users. Vista will be just more of the same; buggy and rushed production cycles, more critical security vulnerabilities that you can count on the combined fingers of an entire kindergarten class, and an entirely new false sense of security via obscurity.

They figured by building the OS from the ground up that it would take crackers years to find new exploits to harass Vista users with. Oooh, but wait...look at all the shiny GUI's. We'll be too busy drooling that we'll never notice the next zero-day exploit that blasts Vista a new one.

Look people. It's like politics. It's never going to change until the very roots of Microsoft changes. All the so called security that Windows users had been waiting for should've been there with Windows 2000, Windows XP, and 2003 Server. How long do you have to wait until the core mechanics of an OS are made responsibly? Why did we have to wait until now to finally rip Windows worst security liability (Internet Explorer) from being an integrated part of the OS? Why couldn't Microsoft fix all the exploits that spyware uses to install itself on your box with ninja like stealth? Why did you have to wait until now, or so Microsoft says?

It's a simple answer. It's so they could make you buy into their new OS to make you "feel more secure". Notice that word, "feel". It doesn't say you WILL be more secure, just that you'll have the delusion of security. The delusion is what keeps the bankrolls at Microsoft fat and happy. It almost makes me smile everytime that delusion is shattered in headlines about an exploit that Microsoft new about all the way back with Windows 98 (WMF exploit), but never chose to patch.

So, right now you must ask yourself several questions. Do you want to upgrade you OS to Vista that doesn't really promise more security (like Microsoft's ever been good on promises anyways), be restricted by DRM (Digital Rights Management) restrictions that could potentially control every aspect of how you manage your data ans systems with near Gestapo like abilities, and pay top dollar for it, too?

There are many other OS solutions that will offer you the security, software, support, and community that actually cares about making good and usable software without limiting what you can do. There are other solutions that aren't driven by greed, propoganda machines. The good thing is that most of the software I speak about won't cost you a single dime, and it's legal.

Sincerely,

A Happy SuSE 10 Linux User
(and yes, it was actually easier to setup than Windows)
Posted by themonkman (3 comments )
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Touchy...
I'm glad you're happy... :)
Posted by Mendz (519 comments )
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SECURITY????????????????????????????????????????????
Leo LaPorte the computer expert says Vista is a huge Service pack &#38; avoid it.
Posted by paulsecic (298 comments )
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Finally, a linux user with class
Mr Rogers, I compliment you on a well written response. You are the first Linux use I've seen who doesn't simply state "windoze sux". I agree with the security issues you mention. Microsoft in the past has been way too concerned with providing "features" that would allow unrestricted interaction with the internet without considering someone may use it for malicious purposes. Microsoft has also paid more attention to optimizing code for speed over security in the way it has handled stacks which has led to exploits that overflow the stack buffer. They've also designed the OS in such a modular fashion that has led to bloated code and an OS that takes up memory and hard drive space like no other. I will give Microsoft credit for recognizing they do have a security problem and that memo mandates they put security at the top. They have made alot of progress... and like you, I'd like to see the OS rebuilt from top to bottom with security and no bugs. That'll be the same day I stop receiving spam, right? Seriously, I doubt it'll be perfect as we all are human, but I am hoping.
Posted by Seaspray0 (9714 comments )
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I like the fact that...
Microsoft learns from the other OSes, copies the good ones and markets the copied features as something new. For the sake of Windows customers... of course they're new.

What do you expect? For Allchin to admit that they copied this from Linux and this from OS X? And for the sake of marketing, why even mention the competition in an interview?

Some Microsoft articles did admit copying some security concepts from Linux/Unix for Vista. But there's no Microsoft article admitting they copied something from OS X. Who cares? It's obvious in Vista anyway... And I like them!

:D
Posted by Mendz (519 comments )
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You really really like them?
You like them (the new features). OK.

Have you really tried them yet? Are you a beta tester of the Vista OS?

You know, it all sounds well and good, but we're really not going to be able to have an informed opinion on the Vista OS until we've actually used it.

I use both OS' - XP and OSX. If I do upgrade to Vista, and if those Vista features don't work as efficiently as they do in OSX, I'm going to be frustrated everytime I use my PC.
Posted by cagerattler (72 comments )
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thebignoticeboard.com
you'd buy norton for the security. you should buy an operating
system for the whole package. in a word... tiger
Posted by thebignoticeboard.com (23 comments )
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Actually I did...
I bought it(and will most likely buy the next one) so that I could run the software I want. That removed Tiger from the running. It works for your needs, great, it doesn't work for mine.
Posted by schubb (202 comments )
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Let's review Microsoft's Security Track Record
Two years ago, Steve Balmer stood up in front of the world and boasted that Microsoft would improve security in their products. We've all seen the results of that farce.

This is just the next Microsoft Brain Fart.

You want security... DON'T CHOOSE Microsoft!!!

Linux is much more robust and secure and they patch it a lot quicker too!

I can't stand Macs, but hey... I'd still recommend them over Vista!

Walt
Posted by wbenton (522 comments )
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You've got that right.
I was sick of running spyware and virus scans every day, and also sick of clicking "Accept" on the firewall I had installed. Switch to Linux. Built in firewall (mine is guarddog) and virus scan (mine is clamwin), and you will never have to scan for spyware again. For beginners, may I reccomend SimplyMepis, or Ubuntu?

(Sorry, I kept clicking submit under the wrong categories, this has got to be the fourth one of these comments. This is where I meant to put it)
Posted by Bridger (4 comments )
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Vista has to prove it is secure
And that will take some time. Last year, if memory serves, Window
users were vulnerable all but six days. When Vista users can say
they have gone at least six months without a critical vulnerability
then MS will have some reason to say that Vista is more secure than
XP.

But, IMO, when that day comes Microsoft will have to compete with
headlines like H*ll Freezes Over, and Pig's Fly.
Posted by rcrusoe (1305 comments )
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You've got that right.
I was sick of running spyware and virus scans every day, and also sick of clicking "Accept" on the firewall I had installed. Switch to Linux. Built in firewall (mine is guarddog) and virus scan (mine is clamwin), and you will never have to scan for spyware again. For beginners, may I reccomend SimplyMepis, or Ubuntu?
Posted by Bridger (4 comments )
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RDF is alive & well in Jurassic Park
WOW! People think Steve Jobs has a Reality Distortion Field (RDF)
around him about future technologies...
Jim, Dude, get a clue....Microsloth "Security" is an oxymoron.

When oh when will Billy "Bob" get his act together &#38; throw in the
towel.
Citizen Gates &#38; Big Brother Ballmer need to RETIRE like Paul
Seahawk Allen did years ago &#38; move on with their life.

DOJ was right when they wanted to break MS into three
companies, that would made them agile &#38; competitive to solve
their technology &#38; legal problem &#38; actually BE INNOVATIVE.
Instead of endless beta programs sold as real program &#38; all of
us are their security holes &#38; virus riddled guinea pigs...

Vista = Microsith's Last Hope.
Posted by Llib Setag (951 comments )
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This is an early April Fools joke, right?
It is always fun to watch the MS clowns calls MS products secure.
Posted by aabcdefghij987654321 (1721 comments )
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Windows security
You want security with Windows? Shut the PC off.
Posted by (3 comments )
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Windows CEMENT
The most secure Windows OS ever designed is not Vista! This was the legacy "Windows CEMENT" which sadly never made it out of the Microsoft labs!

Windows CEMENT promised solid security like a block of cement - unbreakable. Its looks were made to adorn your sitting room- but it could not be switched on!

Windows CE + ME + NT = Windows CEMENT, Rock Solid.
Posted by pythonhacker (71 comments )
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any more 15 year old bugs?
I am not 100% sure about this but didn't MS have to remove the metafile vunerabillity from vista when it was discovered last month? If they copied that 15 year old security vunerabillity how can they be so sure they haven't copied across all the other bugs?

Oh and is it just me or that "people near me" feature looks like a major security problem waiting to happen? The fact the machine is willing to broadcast that its windows vista is a risk. If its on open wifi all some hacker has to do is sit in a cafe and when there is a security problem in vista (and there will be) they can get a nice list of windows vista machines to attack, such a useful feature. I suppose you could use it to send targetted adverts. Find all vista machines: "It looks like your using vista. You really need to buy spyware scanner, want to buy ours?"

The real problem is soooo many people are allowed to get away with putting spware on machines becuase its in the EULA, or other such stuff.

And whats worse is major companies SUPPORT using hostile tools on there customers machines. Look at sony, we want to stop piracy so we put rootkits designed to comprimise windows machines to people who bought our CDs. What idiots, didn't they release that thoose people BOUGHT THE CD. They wanna be stopping people who download pirate copies not annoy the people who are trying to do things legit.

Oh and on the subject of anti-piracy, you guys REALLY have to drop all the registration stuff. My PC got hacked cause of registration! Windows was whining about it going to blow up if I didn't dial the internet or summit. As I was downloading updates and registering a damn virus got it. Ironicly windows update was proberly trying to update the fix for the flaw that let it in. Unfortunatly you can't get all the patches of dialup by the time a virus hits your machine :(.

May I suggest hardened mode for connecting to the internet for downloading patches the first time?

Oh and for securing IE, Get rid of it. Unfortunaly this is hard to do in XP because it is so tightly woven into the OS, which is proberly why IE bugs can comprimise a machine even when not using IE, yay.
Posted by Rangebz (3 comments )
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A Double Package:
How's this for a Microsoft scheme? When Vista ships, charge double the price. Offer in two separate packages: 1.The Microsoft Vista OS. 2.The Microsoft Security Pack(Microsoft's Anti-Spyware and OneCare Anti-Virus).

What concerns me about Vista is its memory requirements---I've heard that it's a memory hog, and that it will probably run slowly or not function correctly on computers with less than 512MB of RAM. Many older computers, and some newer ones as well, will need to upgrade---an added expense. OneCare, which is Microsoft's beta anti-virus program, requires at least 256MB of RAM to function correctly. When you add this to the other security programs that will be required, as well as any other programs that a person wants to use, the memory requirements for PCs running Vista will be beyond the range of many. This may be a bad selling point for Vista.
Posted by Michael G. (185 comments )
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new minimum memory requirement is 1 GIG
2 GIG for optimal performance...
Posted by microsoft slayer (174 comments )
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You'll need to buy a new PC to run vista
MS is scheming with Dell.
Posted by microsoft slayer (174 comments )
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Hey Dude! You're getting a DELL!
What ever happened to the guy in that commercial? Dell was pretty cool for awhile(at least on TV).

I'd like to add that it seems Microsoft is the one with major memory problems. They seem to have forgotten the average consumer. In return, the average consumer may as well forget Vista. Perfect amnesia, all around.

I wouldn't be in the least surprised if Microsoft has struck a deal with Dell, or some other computer manufacturer. A NEW operating system for a NEW computer---maybe this should be Vista's slogan. If the average consumer resists Vista, it may be their only slogan.
Posted by Michael G. (185 comments )
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I'm getting a MACBook PRO
Screw MS and stupid asta la vista.
Posted by microsoft slayer (174 comments )
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Silly
Microsoft is the desktop OS king and will remain that way as there is nothing that compares to it as a package. Steve Jobs knows this and that is why he doesn't care enough to even try to compete. Generic graphic cards, USB, BSD based operating system and now Intel CPUs and a booter. Apple are running out of things that make them special. "Think Different" indeed. Yet the Mac fans still proclaim the superiority of an increasingly similar platform. It is beyond my comprehension, but I cannot see it changing soon. Apple always focus on the big money makers and the Mac has never been the success that the Apple II was.

Apple (and Apple fans) have been claiming superiority for a long time. From a 1992 pamphlet I have Apple not only claimed that Apples were faster than Windows, but also that people were 15% more productive when using them. In a 1993 pamphlet they claim that a Quadra was 40% faster than a 486 of the same MHz (33). But back then, I believed that the Mac was the future too. For me, Windows 95 changed my mind. It may be insulted by many today, but Win95 was an excellent comprimise of WinNT stablity and Win 3.1 hardware requirements, and it had many features that Apple fans had to wait till "Mac"OS X for. I keep these pamplets (as well as many others for Commodore, Atari and Acorn) to remind myself of the difference between potential and reality. (They are a good laugh as well, especially a Atari Falcon one that boasts of VR capabilities. I highly recomend watching the Apple Lisa TV ad with Kevin Costener in it.)

But stay in your bubble Mac fans. You will all be dual booting Vista soon and deep down you know it. Apple have made the mistake of screwing over their developers for the third time. It it good that Apple do write their own applications as they will be one of the few that write Mac Apps soon. I know what it is like to cling to a dying platform as I did it with the Amiga and the Acorns. But I learn from my mistakes.
Posted by Andrew J Glina (1673 comments )
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We're going to have to see about that.
You are making a lot of claims that require a good deal more
substantiation than you have provided.

First, the software is special. Run Windows XP and then run OS X
Tiger. Look at the rendering on both. Toggle among tasks and
look for the response in the UI. I will simply invite everyone to
take this challenge (which really doen't require much time).

Second, WinNT did have many features that were way ahead of
anything Applet had for eight years. This is true (and you can
thank Dave Cutler of DEC for that just as Applet fans can now
thank Bill Joy and legions of others working on BSD). But NT's
implementation was not superior (it was better than Mac OS at
the time, this is true). It was only when Microsoft released
Windows 2000 that the implementation was good, although far
from great. Additionally, the UI experience was still relatively
poor. Apple was losing the race until September 2001. That was
when Mac OS X Puma came out and it compared relatively
equally to Windows XP. By the time Mac OS X Jaguar came out, I
believe that OS X pulled way out in front of XP. We can agree to
disagree on this point.

By the way, If you like Microsoft, then the OS you ought to be
championing (not having Vista right now) is Windows Server
2003. That is the OS where every Windows NT/2000 deficiency
was corrected. And if you champion Windows 2003 Server (no
client version), then you are going to have to take a look at Mac
OS X Tiger Server in order to make a fair comparison. Do this
next weekend!

Furthermore, it is not fair to compare Vista demos with OS X
Tiger. OS X Tiger is not Vista's competition as Tiger is already
out and Vista is not. Everyone has seen great Vista demos
(including me) showcasing all sorts of pretty things. Vista's
competition will be Mac OS X Leopard which is due at the end of
2006 (or early 2007).

Did Applet get arrogant with the Mac? Yes, and they were rightly
punished in the market place. Did Microsoft security problems
constitute a breach of consumer trust. Absolutely. And they
ought to be punished in the market place for this.

And you can say "yeah, but they won't get punished!" and laugh
at me. But, this competition will not be settled by old TV adds
and old generalizations. Hei, compare the new Macs with the
new Windows machines (either now or at the end of 2006).
Dude.

Sincerely,
jonnie savell
Posted by jonnie savell (6 comments )
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Worse than silly
It's either gullibility or FUD/shilling:

"Microsoft is the desktop OS king and will remain that way as there is nothing that compares to it as a package."

You left off "unless they begin to comply with the remedies imposed on them by the various judicial systems." M$ is number one because they are a predatory monopoly and they haven't stopped being one because they can still get away with it. If you don't know better than to spout such nonsense then you aren't just an innocent dupe.
Posted by Lynn_S (52 comments )
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The Apple Mac
You've seriously missed what has been going on with the Mac over the last couple of years. So you laugh at 1980's TV spots and the like. Developers will continue to support the Mac for more than it being "different" than Windows. They will do so because the Mac has a large enough market of customers to be profitable, with less competition.

In the Windows world you have 20 options for every application. In the Mac world you have 2 or 3 options in most applications. This narrow market means that more of the Mac users are using the same products.

If the Mac has 10% of the market, and you can capture 100% of that, instead of 5% of the Windows market, the Mac market is bigger for you.

It is all a matter of scale.
Posted by zaznet (1138 comments )
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Andrew is a braindead loser
nt
Posted by Ty Tyson (8 comments )
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RE:Silly
Windows is the de facto OS because it is bundled with EVERY
other box made. Not because it is necessarily the best choice.
To say that the platforms are increasingly similiar ignores some
facts:
1. They really aren't that similiar.
2. The similarities that are there are due to MS constantly adding
features that OSX has brought to market first.

It is interesting that you keep marketing material as some proof
of decision making. NEVER listen to marketing... from anybody.
Funny I am not hearing anything from developers on OSX about
being "screwed" over. Just the opposite in fact.

The thing in your remarks I find interesting is describing Win95
as a compromise. That is what Windows is always composed of...
compromises. Get a Mac, use it for a while and make an
informed comment, not something based on old pamphlets.
Posted by Ian Eisenberg (8 comments )
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The bubble
Uh, me thinks you need to break out of the 1990's bubble you're
in. It's 2006 for cripes sake!!!! OS X and Apple has gained share
since 2001, and the digital living room technology (iTunes+OS
XFront Row) that Apple has developed will help to increase
market share.

You obviously have let technology pass you by with your
ignorance.
Posted by (7 comments )
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poor security ought to be punished.
It is incorrect to say that we ought to purchase this product to
gain security. We purchased XP and we made a mistake.

Why should we pay again to get what should have been delivered
before? In fact, we shouldn't. They abused the trust that
consumers placed in them.

So, "crimes against humanity" was felt to be too extreme. But the
analogy is not without merit. Consumers should remember
Microsoft's past offenses; Consumers should not forgive.

Sincerely,
jonnie savell
Posted by jonnie savell (6 comments )
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speak for yourself...
I purchased XP and I'm completely happy with it. No security issues, no worries. Then again I actually know how to use a computer so viruses, spyware, etc. don't bother me at all.

After using Windows 3.x through XP, I have to say XP is by far the best and a vast improvement over 98 and ME. ME was the epitomy of crap. I'll never forgive MS for putting that junk out.
Posted by tahbasco (30 comments )
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How about recent events...
..such as Jobs becoming embedded into Disney?

DRM only works if EVERYONE plays ball...I think it could be a great differentiator for Apple/Disney. Even if they had a milder form of DRM, it would create a huge perception problem for RIAA/MPIAA

Not saying I have a crystal ball or inside track, but I don't think this is a slam-dunk by any stretch.
Posted by DocNo (6 comments )
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