What difference does it make whether they were photos or videos? The only mention I saw of videos was referring to the law concerning photos OR videos, & not the kids taking videos.
Your first line is just a throw away so I;ll ignore it. The problem here is judges,d.a. and the parents who manipulate the law for their own reasons. This is clearly not child porn and doesn't meet any test for common sense . In the type of law that is being used here I don;t see how the victim and perp can be the same person. This is more akin to witch dunking (the proof of innocence is you drown.
These kids would be arrested, beaten by police, the boy would go to jail for about 20 years, and the girl would probably be sent to jail for about 10 years, if she didn't commit suicide first because her family couldn't stand the shame.
And of course, both families would have to move out of their towns, because they would be publicly ostracized.
Knock knock! Just a couple weeks ago, a policewoman and her husband were charged for engaging in a swinging club/website. According to the news I read, she weren't even shame of being caught.
They didn't share the photos, but the police came in and stole the PC, and admitted the pictures as evidence for the judges to review.
I don't think storing pictures on a PC "that can be hacked" was the problem, the problem was failing to account for police who have absolute power walking in the door and demanding a peek.
They are prosecuting teeneagers for something they have not done yet. Under that stupid logic, we should prosecute all people that own guns. Because guns are designed to kill, and since they own them, then it is likely that their judment will not be the best on a moment of stress and they might end killing someone. Come on!
A very stupid point at that. The reasoning the judge gives is that they were acting in the best interests of the children, sisnce they weren't "mature" enough.
Essentially, he has the "the very second you turn 18, you become mature" mentality.
How assinine that one judge made his ruling on the basis that they "could have" sold the pictures. The Thought Police of Orwell's "1984" are here but, they aren't cops, they're idiots wearing black robes.
Exactly. what is happening now is the law is more about what might happen rather than what did happen. You might do this, so now you are a criminal. This is scary. The thought police are alive and well. Fear rules our society. Remember Nazi Germany... our reality now. What are you thinking? Ve have vays Think this way or go to jail...
is just plain retarded. The same as all the other stupid judicial judgements made on teenage matters and their need to be human. I just literally can not see how anyone can be prosecuted for doing anything to themselves. For ruining the lives of these two people the entire prosecution side should be sentenced to jail time along with the judge for allowing it all to happen.
I wish people would use common sense and get off their fake morality ride.
Let's get some facts straight. Two kids, who could be married - and tried as adults if they had committed murder - are going to be branded sex offenders for the rest of their lives for getting caught.
What they did was wrong. Yes. They did not hurt anyone. Prosecutors are given leeway to ignore this kind of crime, or to at least plead it down to some thing more resonable.
What they have done is pretty much guaranteed that if this goes through to its logical conclusion, they have created two more criminals they will have to jail some day.
While the 15 year old girl who was a porn star (and just possessing those movies will land anyone in jail) is not a television star in Holllywood.
Life is full of hypocrisy, self-righteous nonsense and Florida once again proves they don't have the judgement to be considered adults themselves.
Just shows you the stupidity of the American justice system. They should get a slap on the wrist and be forced to see a psychologist or maybe a sex Anonymous group but to give them a record, especially giving the guy an extra count is ridiculous. the law should make sense with the intent for malicious behavior and should not persecute for some kids thinking they are making love and having fun... are we going back to puritan times.. **** we all would have to wait till were 18 to have sex... anyway my 2 cents..
The kids' future is ruined more by them having a criminal record than by some pictures of them as kids on the internet, seeing as the people hiring in a firm are less likely to be looking for child pornography of their applicants than for criminal records. Similarly they will have to put this in applications for anything they want in their future, from college applications to job applications.
Unfortunately, this is a juvenile offense and as such the record of it will be sealed when they reach 18. No potential employer would be able to see it, except if the pair want a professional license later on such as to be a doctor or lawyer. I don't think these kids are professional material. General employers and colleges don't have access to sealed criminal records. As hiring is partially my responsibility this is something I would like to know about.
The last thing I want is to hire some 20-year old who just three years ago had a "photo" thing.
I read this in disbelief. Showing the pictures invaded their privacy and the whole thing has probably left them emotionally scarred. It's typical of the law, instead of protecting them it has caused more harm and left them both with criminal records that will affect the rest of their lives.
Have the police nothing better to do? are the real criminals just too hard to catch?
The police would rather prosecute teens for having consesual sex with each other or adults. They would rather bust some old geezer for whacking to anime.
The police would rather be nanny than go catch criminals because they are all physical cowards.
Just my 2ยข worth.
Probably time I reported to Miniluv so I can be re-programmed to love Big Brother.
In the end, the bill would introduce a flesh detector that would require someone, somewhere to view these photos, even if in a private email and sent between adults. By default the photo shared here would be viewed, possibly by several government officials and considered for evidence.
and the life ruining effects that some imagined release of these pictures could do. So they're going to ruin their lives in advanced with child porn charges, something several orders of magnitude more damaging than the release of the photos. People have committed suicide from just being charged, cause whether convicted or acquitted it pretty destroys ones prospects at normal life.
I've lost a lot of respect for our system of "justice".
I agree with your comment. Unfortunately some in this country have become so obsessed with "protecting the children" that they've overlooked the fact that sometimes kids will be kids and at those times foregiveness is important.
These kids have it pretty bad but it sounds like they are only getting probation. That's not near as bad as that poor young man in Georgia HS football player who is doing 10 years that ESPN featured a couple weeks ago. Had they had relations in the more tradional definition it would have been legal but because it involved oral he's now doing time under a law that the prosecutor, judge and jury all say was written with the purpose of protecting minors from adults.
They even GET an interview. Too many recruiters now see "Criminal History" and automatically dump the application, no questions asked. Most of the time, they won't even gat the chance to explain it.
Isn't it inevitable that a huge number of teens will do silly things like this?
Do you really want to gamble your children's freedom, ability to get a job, to move around the country without reporting where they are b/c they're convicted child pornographers , to hold office, to vote, to not go to jail for life under three strikes laws etc. etc. on the hope they won't do something as innocent as this or something else equally innocent that unbalanced judges and careerist prosecutors can make political hay with? Doesn't our country face real problems, or have all those been taken care of while I slept last night? This is pure insanity.
Think it won't happen ot your kids? I don't. I can't be sure of that at all. I am nto willing to contemplate my kids spending their lives as convicted kiddie-pornographers or child molestors. As soon as possible, I am leaving America with my family. If anyone knows a good country to be an ex-pat in, please give details. Wife, 3 kids ages 2-6, about 40 grand in the bank, career programmers both of us.
Thanks in advance.
To tell the truth, this just looks like an attempt to produce universal guilt within the population.
try australia - thats where i'm from we have some weried laws too but in general a prety awesome country, and its ALOT cheeper to live here then america - i still cant get over how expensive rent is over there! oh and there is an awesome education system here - AND everyone who wants to go to university can, it dosnt depend on how much money you have (meaning you dont have ot pay upfront) as long as your kids get australian citisinship they can get HECS where you pay your uni fees after you compelte univirsity (its taken as a % out of your wages once you begin earning $X a very small %)
lol oh, and the gold coast kicks ass. best part of aus :P
I'm thinking Canada would be nice, the people certainly are very friendly. But there is one alternative- take a look at Alaska, they're like a whole different country. They don't even care what goes on in the lower 48 as long as it doesn't find its way up there. Maybe they'll secede from the Union. And it'll be a good place to live when the Global Warming escalation puts the coastal cities under water and previously nice places to live have summers in 140 degree heat. That will make the climate on the Kenai Peninsula a nice pleasant 85 to 90 degrees year around. And you can still buy land cheap up there, but not for long.... as soon as Californians finally realize LA could be (or will be the latest research shows, thanks George!) underwater in about 10 years, they'll sell everything and load up the kids and the dog and move to Fairbanks or Nome. And we'll be waiting with high priced property to sell them.Or not.
My husband and I are planning a move to Costa Rica. We love it there and there are many ex-pats there. You are not alone in feeling this way about this country. When I was younger, heck, even 10 years ago, I would never have imagined feeling like this about the US. You have to be careful though. Honestly, Americans are despised in so many countries now. We found Costa Rica so friendly and beautiful. Good luck!
"Court records don't say exactly what happened next--perhaps the parents wanted to end the relationship and raised the alarm--but somehow Florida police learned about the photos."
I agree but I also think there are alot of adults involved in this debacle that maybe should be slapped with a ******* charge that can't be expunged because they have no excuse- including (and most of all) the DA, the various judges and police officers and the parents. The more I read about this case, the more pissed off I get at what a bunch of idiots are in occupations that give them power and responsibility. You think someone along the way would have figured out they were a ******* and booted them right out of the judicial system. Kind of fits in with this Bush administration, though. Business as usual...
This conviction was upheld solely for a crime that COULD HAVE BEEN COMMITTED? Doesn't this sound just a little like guilty unless proven innocent?
Don't get me wrong here, I'm all for preserving the innocence of our kids, but do we not also have a constitutional obligation to not hold someone felon unless we can demonstrate that they ACTUALLY DID DO something felonious?
Sounds to me like a sad state of affair where people are fishing for ways to put other people away just because they don't like them...
these people can't step back and look at what they are doing. the whole premise of that law is to protect minors. By persecuting minors and bringing public attention to what they did they are no better then the people that law was designed to protect minors from...
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Did they make a video too?
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Simply put, don't create evidence. Camera's and video tape are fine for a vacation, but don't use them for any other creative ideas.
"Camera's and video tape are fine for a vacation, but don't use them for any other creative ideas."
Man, there are so many examples I could give you...
And of course, both families would have to move out of their towns, because they would be publicly ostracized.
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outside the family would have seen the pictures, if it wasn't for the
prosecution.
I don't think storing pictures on a PC "that can be hacked" was the problem, the problem was failing to account for police who have absolute power walking in the door and demanding a peek.
yet. Under that stupid logic, we should prosecute all people that
own guns. Because guns are designed to kill, and since they own
them, then it is likely that their judment will not be the best on a
moment of stress and they might end killing someone.
Come on!
BTW. I do not have a gun!
The reasoning the judge gives is that they were acting in the best interests of the children, sisnce they weren't "mature" enough.
Essentially, he has the "the very second you turn 18, you become mature" mentality.
I wish people would use common sense and get off their fake morality ride.
In the UK, suicide is illegal. Attempted suicide isn't.
I agree with you. I've already forwarded a link to this story to several people to give them a friday-afternoon chuckle!
protect minors?
and tried as adults if they had committed murder - are going to
be branded sex offenders for the rest of their lives for getting
caught.
What they did was wrong. Yes. They did not hurt anyone.
Prosecutors are given leeway to ignore this kind of crime, or to
at least plead it down to some thing more resonable.
What they have done is pretty much guaranteed that if this goes
through to its logical conclusion, they have created two more
criminals they will have to jail some day.
While the 15 year old girl who was a porn star (and just
possessing those movies will land anyone in jail) is not a
television star in Holllywood.
Life is full of hypocrisy, self-righteous nonsense and Florida
once again proves they don't have the judgement to be
considered adults themselves.
Digital cameras are for capture digital images.
Computers are for storing digital content.
Internet is for transmitting digital content.
BTW. I don't own a gun either.
PS. Charge smokers for suicide?
PPS. Charge everyone for doing a potential something.
LETS take away Liberty.
The last thing I want is to hire some 20-year old who just three years ago had a "photo" thing.
It's typical of the law, instead of protecting them it has caused more harm and left them both with criminal records that will affect the rest of their lives.
Have the police nothing better to do? are the real criminals just too hard to catch?
The police would rather be nanny than go catch criminals because they are all physical cowards.
Just my 2ยข worth.
Probably time I reported to Miniluv so I can be re-programmed to love Big Brother.
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In the end, the bill would introduce a flesh detector that would require someone, somewhere to view these photos, even if in a private email and sent between adults. By default the photo shared here would be viewed, possibly by several government officials and considered for evidence.
The future sounds a bit scary.
I've lost a lot of respect for our system of "justice".
These kids have it pretty bad but it sounds like they are only getting probation. That's not near as bad as that poor young man in Georgia HS football player who is doing 10 years that ESPN featured a couple weeks ago.
Had they had relations in the more tradional definition it would have been legal but because it involved oral he's now doing time under a law that the prosecutor, judge and jury all say was written with the purpose of protecting minors from adults.
Do you really want to gamble your children's freedom, ability to get a job, to move around the country without reporting where they are b/c they're convicted child pornographers , to hold office, to vote, to not go to jail for life under three strikes laws etc. etc. on the hope they won't do something as innocent as this or something else equally innocent that unbalanced judges and careerist prosecutors can make political hay with? Doesn't our country face real problems, or have all those been taken care of while I slept last night? This is pure insanity.
Think it won't happen ot your kids? I don't. I can't be sure of that at all. I am nto willing to contemplate my kids spending their lives as convicted kiddie-pornographers or child molestors. As soon as possible, I am leaving America with my family. If anyone knows a good country to be an ex-pat in, please give details. Wife, 3 kids ages 2-6, about 40 grand in the bank, career programmers both of us.
Thanks in advance.
To tell the truth, this just looks like an attempt to produce universal guilt within the population.
Then Big Brother can keep track of everyone easier.
we have some weried laws too but in general a prety awesome country, and its ALOT cheeper to live here then america - i still cant get over how expensive rent is over there! oh and there is an awesome education system here - AND everyone who wants to go to university can, it dosnt depend on how much money you have (meaning you dont have ot pay upfront) as long as your kids get australian citisinship they can get HECS where you pay your uni fees after you compelte univirsity (its taken as a % out of your wages once you begin earning $X a very small %)
lol oh, and the gold coast kicks ass. best part of aus :P
Good luck!
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Don't get me wrong here, I'm all for preserving the innocence of our kids, but do we not also have a constitutional obligation to not hold someone felon unless we can demonstrate that they ACTUALLY DID DO something felonious?
Sounds to me like a sad state of affair where people are fishing for ways to put other people away just because they don't like them...