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Apple doesn't need media conglomerates to sell iPods. Enderle is a joke.
Greg Sandoval and CNET if you want to appear to have
journalistic integrity you need to stop quoting Rob Enderle. He's
consistently wrong and consistently shows he does not
understand let alone have any insight into Apple's market. Have
you looked into his track record? Have you noticed he routinely
comes up with unfounded wild comments that seem more
geared to draw attention then to give real insight? It calls into
question the competance and credibility of any media outlet that
quotes him, yours included.

Speaking of journalistic credibility, where did you come up with
this assertion: "Apple needs to have access to a wide range of
content to keep iPod owners interested in their devices. Apple's
iPod succeeds mainly because of iTunes; its simplicity, low
prices and quality content. What happens if Apple lost access to
the best music and TV shows".

This is clearly and roundly recognized as wrong on many levels.
It is a false crisis. First, Apple doesn't need access to content
itself to drive iPod sales because most of the content on iPods
comes from iPod owners and not through Apple's servers.
Customers can and do get their content from other means and
load it onto the iPod themselves.

Sure, it helps Apple and iPod owners to have the iTunes Store to
make digital media super easy and convenient to buy, but most
people have bought iPods because they could load the media
they got from CDs, peer to peer networks and DVDs they've
bought, borrowed or rented. It's plain as day in the numbers
reported by Apple itself and research groups. Very little of iPod
content comes from the the iTunes Store. iTunes Store is a perk,
not the engine that drives iPod sales.

The context in which you state that "Apple's iPod succeeds
mainly because of iTunes" implies that it's the iTunes Store that
makes the iPod popular. This completely misses the fact that the
iPod has first and foremost succeeded because of it's own ease
of use and quality design and features. Remember, the iPod
drew lots of Windows users even before there was an iTunes
store...even before there was iTunes.exe jukebox software for
Windows (which is more important to iPod users than the iTunes
Store).

Also, for shame in confusing the iTunes software with the iTunes
Store. The way you described one when you meant the other is a
classic case of argumentative bait and switch.
Posted by Fifth Estate (1 comment )
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YOU ARE DELUSIONAL!!!!!!
Be quiet.
Posted by tweedy54 (31 comments )
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I DIDN'T mean that comment
for the previous poster but the DELUSIONAL, HATEFUL poster from the UK, that is bashing Apple and making no sense at all.
Posted by tweedy54 (31 comments )
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Clueless Media Moguls
The executives at Universal and NBC simply don't understand the New Internet Economics. The
market price for something has always been the lowest price it's being sold for in the marketplace.
For music, movies and TV videos on the Internet, that price isn't quite zero. As Steve Jobs has
pointed out, it's the value people attach to the hassle and time illegal downloads take. Apple has
probably guessed right that the hassle-factor is about $0.99 for music and $1.99 for TV shows.
No matter what is being sold, the market price can't rise much higher than that.

Keep in mind that the New Internet Economics breaks all the rules of traditional economics. Copies
are so easily made that supply will always meet demand, even if the selling price is zero. The only
way the entertainment industry can keep their products off this black market is to keep them
locked in vaults where they earn no money. Making any effort to make money off a product will
create a near infinite supply. That's the reality.

The New Internet Economics also breaks the old rules in another way. The more popular something
is, the more likely it is to be easily available for free. Someone who wants to watch an obscure
fifties sit-com will have to look long and hard for it and may, in the end, decide that buying it on
iTunes makes more sense. Someone who wants the hottest show on network TV, will find it easily
in the black market. Supply not only meets demand, the supply is best where the demand is
greatest.

That's why nothing demonstrates just how clueless the executives at NBC are better than their
antiquated assumption that they'd be able get larger profits selling their hottest shows for $4.95
rather than $1.95. All they'll do is create a livelier black market, one that isn't likely to go aware
when they return to reality.

In short, Steve Jobs' one low price for everything is the only way to make a buck in this New
Internet Economy.

I might add that I've got quite a bit of experience in this area. My primary business is publishing
interesting books that are in the public domain. Much of what I publish is available legally and for
free electronically and from other sources in print. I survive in that market by adding more value to
my books than anyone else with useful footnotes, commentary and appendices that make the
books more useful and enjoyable. Michael Crichton praised my edition of G. K. Chesterton's
Eugenics and Other Evils in his most recent novel, Next.

The entertainment industry's problem isn't bootlegging and it isn't the iTunes Store. It's the fact
that they arrogantly assume that nothing has changes since the 1960s and that they can control
the market and generate any level of profit they like if only they can "get control" again. They can't,
because this is a market no one can control. They're simply going to have to sell at a price that
reflects the value they've added to it. Nothing else will work.

--Mike Perry, Inkling Books, Seattle
Posted by InklingBooks (87 comments )
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Bravo
That's much more interesting analysis and commentary then the
original article. Kudos.
Posted by Deelron (60 comments )
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UK Pricing
[[Apple don't seem to have a problem charging $4.00 for TV
shows in the UK. (£1.89 sterling is about USD$4).]]

I tend to think that Apple is still forking over the same amount
to the studio, and keeping about the same amount themselves...
Where's the rest going? My guess is UK taxes... Don't get me
wrong... I love the UK... Spent the best couple years of my life
there (about 25 years ago), but UK, and most of Europe, is well
know for taxing the crap out of their citizens.

I don't know or claim this as fact, but I really doubt that Apple is
saying "Hey, let's screw the Brits out of a couple more bucks per
TV show, just because we can."

I would be very curious to see a breakdown on where the money
goes on UK sales vs. US sales.
Posted by BillyBooBob (4 comments )
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Time to dump NBC and Universal stock
If the executives for NBC and Universal are so behind the times that they don't even realize that the playing field has changed, how can they be trusted to govern their business correctly?

It's time to dump NBC and Universal stock and invest in the stock of media companies that are changing with the times.
Posted by Xenu7-214951314497503184010868 (153 comments )
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NBC is missing something
NBC may want to run there own little website and try to make
money off of ads, but there are missing out on money from me
and probably more like me. I can easily DVR the NBC Universal
shows I want to see but I dont because I like to watch them
during my travel time on airlines where there is no Internet
access! So now I will DVR all the NBC shows and not spend
any money or watch them on hulu.com. You have to have a
downloadable option for people who dont have internet access
and want to enjoy some TV shows.
Posted by flywithsean (44 comments )
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Posted by AlienEric (42 comments )
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Apple loses a fortune from unlocked iphones
before you rush to ring your broker tomorrow...it's worth checking how much money Apple are losing over unlocked iphones.

Part of the deal with At&#38;T (I think the iphone contracts were for 5 years) was a huge chunk of revenue being kicked back to Apple.

If you unlock a phone and put in a t-mobile sim card...apple loses all that moolah...for the next 5 years.
Posted by mickiavellian (33 comments )
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greed
as a former broadcaster myself....I just have to shake my head as
the music and broadcast industry continue to play greedy, and
blame all their woes on the Internet. I wish the media would do a
better job of investigating this story. Apple has been a breath of
fresh air to an otherwise heavily controlled music and broadcast
industry. Look at the number of artists who otherwise woudn't have
gotten exposure.
Posted by bc0001 (7 comments )
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Rivalry goes even deeper
One of the reasons why NBC want to pull out is because of the
rivalry between Blu-ray and HD-DVD. NBC has ties with
Microsoft, ie. MSNBC, who support HD-DVD while ABC has ties
with Apple ie. Steve jobs having a seat in the board of directors
at Disney which owns ABC, support Blu-Ray. Media companies
are choosing sides on which format to go with while others are
staying neutral and are doing movies and shows in both
formats. The new revenue for NBC is the HD-DVD format. They
have something to fall back on if hulu.com fails. In the end, the
consumers lose.
Posted by GSRich78 (30 comments )
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NBC's Position (Link)
"We never asked to double the wholesale price for our TV shows. In fact, our negotiations were centered on our request for flexibility in wholesale pricing, including the ability to package shows together in ways that could make our content even more attractive for consumers.

It is clear that Apple's retail pricing strategy for its iTunes service is designed to drive sales of Apple devices, at the expense of those who create the content that make these devices worth buying."

<a class="jive-link-external" href="http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=conewsstory&#38;refer=conews&#38;tkr=AAPL:US&#38;sid=aR7Te_sjiGug" target="_newWindow">http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=conewsstory&#38;refer=conews&#38;tkr=AAPL:US&#38;sid=aR7Te_sjiGug</a>
Posted by john55440 (1020 comments )
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Between the Lines!
"variable pricing" "including [cheaper] bundle prices".

Yeah, so what's the other part of that variable pricing scheme?
Something along the lines of "this show is popular, so let's force
people to spend a lot more for each episode".

NBC sucks.
Posted by godofbiscuits--2008 (24 comments )
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An Economics Lesson
Both parties are doing what they have the right to do. Apple has
the right to do with iTunes whatever they want, they created it
and it belongs to them. They can set prices in their stores
however they want to. NBC also has the right to not agree to the
terms and with hold their business from Apple. There is now
good guy bad guy here, they are both well within their rights in
what they can do with their property.
However having said that, there is the question as to which is a
better business model and who has the more economically
sound concept. Prices are more than just a price. They are
information about the thing that they are associated with. For
example, an old Leave it to Beaver episode and a new Desperate
Housewives Season Finale probably do not have the same
market value, yet I suppose on iTunes they would in fact have
the same price, since Apple insists on flat pricing. Prices are
indicators of what people want and demand and what people
dont want. Flexible pricing means as much lower prices as
higher prices. Yes some things would be higher, and some
things would be lower. The prices would reflect the preferences
of the customers not NBC or Apple. If a show was in demand it
might cost more to own it, if its been in reruns for decades, even
the flat price might be too high for most. Flexible prices also
give feedback to the vendor. They can try out a price for a show,
and if sales a lacking they can lower the price, and vice versa.
Prices are information for both the vendor and the customer.
Apple can do what they want with iTunes, but if they want to
have an even more vibrant marketplace there they should
establish freedom in prices in their store, afterall wouldn't it be
odd if you walked into Wal-Mart and all the CDs were exactly the
same price ?
Posted by Lpartain (61 comments )
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Economics lesson 2.0: how NBC arrived at the $4 price point
The cost of a show is $1.99 so let's say iTunes takes 49 cents on each sale. So, for the sake of argument NBC grosses $1.50 on each sale.

Hypothetically, let's say it takes roughly 50 visits by iTunes members before someone decides to buy the video.

That means for every 1000 people that comes looking for their shows NBC makes about $30 in sales. That's obviously a hypothetical ratio and probably on the optimistic end of the scale.

Which sounds great, doesn't it? It does until you realise that if people know the entire season of that show that they love is free on NBC.com they will definitely go there. Free means that 1000 potential viewers on ITunes turns into 50,000 definite viewers on NBC.com.

Still with me?

Each video advert on NBC.com is worth $20+ CPM, which means they make at least $20 for every 1000 viewers per ad. At 4 ads per episode, that's roughly $80 per 1000 viewers.

So, not only will they make more per 1000 people who come looking for their shows, if they focus on NBC.com they will also get 50x more viewers.

Now do you understand where the $4.99 price point came from? It basically matches what they make from the free stream.

I'm not saying that's right or wrong, I'm just pointing out the economic logic behind how NBC might have arrived at the $4.99 price point.

Of course, an equally logical argument could be made that NBC will actually lose paying customers to illegal bit torrent downloads or P2P - where the adverts will probably be stripped out - but, they face that threat anyway and for my money, I would tend to follow the quality route...i.e.

Offer consumers a low quality stream/download for a low price point as well as offering a medium/high quality version for a slightly higher price.

Which is the variable pricing model that Apple fought for years with itunes music because they insisted consumers wouldn't "get it".

And how wrong were apple about that?

After years of fighting the music industry over variable pricing...Apple quietly introduced it this year, with the "next big thing" promotions after EMI's offering of higher quality DRM FREE versions of their catalogue...
Posted by mickiavellian (33 comments )
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actually...
I'm pretty sure the iPod is king these days.
Posted by godofbiscuits--2008 (24 comments )
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user experience and "joy"
where's the best in class user experience purchasing, browsing,
managing, and configuring music collections with a Nokia phone?

Who the hell says, "omg I love my music applications on my
phone!"

Well, besides iPhone owners. Even then? it's an iPod.
Posted by godofbiscuits--2008 (24 comments )
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make up your !$#!@# mind.
"It seems Apple still think the Earth revolves around Apple."

Jesus, either apple is 'beleaguered' and should just shut its
doors, or it's the king of the hill and no one can touch it?

If other people competed on quality, Apple wouldn't be so
dominant. Period.

And don't use the iTunes-DRM argument, because the
overwhelming majority of tracks on a typical iPod comes from
CDs ripped to AACs or MP3s.

No one's stopping people from buying Zunes and putting their
own music there instead of on an iPod.
Posted by godofbiscuits--2008 (24 comments )
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how much do the networks charge Apple?
Do you know?

Did you also know that for music, the big publishers charge over
70 cents per track? Add in iTunes production, software
development and bandwidth costs and do you really think Apple is
out there to gouge you on price?
Posted by godofbiscuits--2008 (24 comments )
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who forced a DRM?
Who?
Posted by godofbiscuits--2008 (24 comments )
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evidence of use?
do you have figures to back up your assumption that every nokia
phone purchaser uses it as their music player?
Posted by godofbiscuits--2008 (24 comments )
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iTunes != iTunes Store
The article states: "Apple's iPod succeeds mainly because of iTunes; its simplicity, low prices and quality content."

Yes, iTunes is a big part of the iPod's success. But that's got nothing to do with the iTunes STORE. I saw a stat a while back that showed that even with all those billions of songs downloaded off of iTunes, that only translated to around 21 tracks purchased per person. Clearly, most iPod owners are getting their content elsewhere, unless we're all walking around with only 21 songs on our iPods.

One of the great things iTunes does is allow you to easily import either your own music or video and transfer it to your iPod. This is how most people are using their iPods. I have 3,300 tracks on my iPod and every single one is ripped from a CD I already own. I still buy CD's - no DRM, better quality, liner notes, usually lyrics and photos included - and then rip them myself.

As for video, who actually pays to watch TV shows they can otherwise get for free over the air? The entire concept is ridiculous.

The article is right to point out that video is a "miniscule" part of Apple's business - and it probably always will be. Apple doesn't need *any* video on the iTunes store to be successful; all they need to do is provide good hardware and the software that allows users to import their own content.
Posted by badasscat (735 comments )
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many people are using songbird instead of itunes now
Check it out.

<a class="jive-link-external" href="http://www.songbirdnest.com/" target="_newWindow">http://www.songbirdnest.com/</a>

It's great for surfing the "music web" and organising your music + synching with your mp3player (including ipod).

It's like a very clever version of the itunes software.
Posted by mickiavellian (33 comments )
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Apple has Almost Lost its Grip
but NBC and Universal are old line media and they are doomed either way
Posted by gubbord (171 comments )
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itunes vs piracy - the studio pinheads STILL dont seem to get it!
first, i wont even bother address the studio's crocodile tears shed on behalf of content producers not getting paid their due ... these parasites are usually only the exhibitors, not the originators of original programming. The tv/film studios have no more interest in the well-being of the artists (or the consumers) than do the music labels.

second, Here Is The Big Kuhuna:

if nbc insists on jacking up the price (doubling now, and then probably doubling again next year), they will in effect be issuing an open invitation for everyone to go back to pirating their material.

here is the VERY SIMPLE choice at issue: distribution will be either via the tv networks or the p2p networks - it all depends on how much respect the studios treat their customers.

If the studious insist on these ridiculous prices, then their customers will just boycott them outright &#38; go back to pirating.

so instead of trying to undermine thw One Good Thing to come there dim &#38; venal way, the tv/film studios should try to make nice with itunes ... it is one of the few allies they have in the digital universe!

third, as for the money issue - well let's just pause a moment &#38; reflect on the insanity of asking nearly the half the ticket price of a movie for much less than an hour's tv fare ...

cost of a movie = $30M, $60M, $100M, etc ...

license fee for a tv episode? maybe $2M-ish!

hoping to scam near-cinema ticket prices from tv viewers is just plain nuts! (again, i stress that charging 50% of a movie ticket is NOT going to be the final attempt at gouging - it is just the begining).

ain't gonna happen.

these studio pinheads just dont understand the peril they face from the internet, consoles, dvd, fun-in-real-life (eg ultimate frisbee), etc!

in a world where they are constantly losing eyeballs, they simple dont understand the value proposition invloved with digital media.

fourth, there is no threat to the ipod/iphone/itv ... the pinhead-in-arms analysts (i'm looking at you, gartner) who think that consumers need itunes to supply content in order for these devices to have value are just trying to kiss up to the studios so they can sell more of their of their bogus consulting services. Consumer demand for apple media devices will not be impacted when p2p content is an alternative to the rapacious &#38; antediluvian studios.

score for the last 10 years: Pinheads 0, Apple 36

there's lots of stuff apple is foing wrong - but this aint one of them.
Posted by zahadum (28 comments )
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Monopoly in the Public Eye
Apple should not be allowed to bundle the iPod, iTunes, and the iTunes Store; and they should not be able to employ an exclusively-owned proprietary file format as the sole format their product.
This hinders the advancement of technology and sets the stage for a monopoly, as you can see in the article:

"But the risks involved with bucking Apple are great. Apple has sold more than 100 million iPods. The iPod makes up more than 70 percent of the overall mobile player market. How long can NBC Universal go without access to iPod owners? "

How can we let this go on?!
Posted by albinoboy123 (6 comments )
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Monopoly?
I have news for you. There are several companies that do this
already. Microsoft has theirs, Sony has theirs and so on and so
on.

There are several alternatives for people who wish to boycott
Apple. There are several makers of media players. There are
several internet stores that sell music. There are several stores
that sell music in a proprietary file format. None of them are as
successful as iTunes and the iPod though and I guess that's the
real beef you have isn't it?.

What is your solution? Make it illegal to come up with new
products and services?

Nobody wanted anything to do with selling music over the
internet. Everybody thought it was a big risk and a dumb idea
except Apple. Apple had to really do a hard sell just to get some
music on their iTunes when it started. Apple took the risk and it
paid off for them. Everybody else was late to the party as usual
and now you say it's not fair?

Suppose NBC signs with Sony? The only place you will be able to
buy TV episodes of NBC content will be from Sony's site and it
will be in their proprietary file format that no other player will
play. How can we let this go on!!!!

LOL
Posted by Nodack (198 comments )
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Monopoly for lower prices?
If monopoly means lower prices, what are you complaining about. When Apple started to become successful, there was no video on iTunes. Talk about music differently.
Posted by kool_skatkat (982 comments )
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iTunes faces possible closure in europe soon. It's been declared illegal!
I completely agree with you.

Worth noting that Apple have until october 1st to sort out their Apple IPOD ONLY DRM or face closure in europe.

Financial times article linked:

<a class="jive-link-external" href="http://www.ft.com/cms/s/1fc40360-abe9-11db-a0ed-0000779e2340.html" target="_newWindow">http://www.ft.com/cms/s/1fc40360-abe9-11db-a0ed-0000779e2340.html</a>
Posted by mickiavellian (33 comments )
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Grow a brain.
Apple bundles ipod and itunes for the sake of the consumer. It is
simple to use and need very little computer knowledge to use-
Which is Apple's claim to fame. Their file format is in the
consumers best interest as it's small and of good quality which
gives you more songs of the same quality per unit of memory-
AND you can change the file format if you want! You don't HAVE
to use AAC. And your statement about a monopoly- A monopoly
only exists when you are FORCED to choose that company. If you
don't want an ipod then don't buy one!! It's that simple. Many
other companies have come out with ipod wannabies and ipod
lookalikes like the Samsung that has different software to use.
People still choose to buy ipods because they work and are
simple. Dont talk against a company just because they make a
god product and are successful with it. You SHOULD BE PISSED
that all the media companies aren't happy with their ten
mansions, 20 planes, 30 boats, forty cars, and 50 mistresses!
No!! They need more of OUR MONEY to make their wallets
bigger. Do you actually want to pay more for your media? Why
not stick by a company that says, "No! We want to deliver quality
content at an affordable price." Kepp stayin' strong APPLE!!!
Posted by TheeBigBeast (2 comments )
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Bone-Head
Another bone-headed decision of GE and Jeff (I'm the decider) Z/
Sucker. Hey, GE why don't you go back to making light blubs
maybe you'll get a better idea than kicking out Jay Leno. How about
watching the cable networks maybe you can pick up some pointers
on programming like Mad Men on AMC, Damages on Fox, or
another Fox show House Oh! thats right House is a NBC/ Universal
property it's just not on NBC. Oh-Boy ! I cant wait to download
another episode of The Singing Bee.
Posted by cjtribes (1 comment )
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NBC wants to dictate what we watch!
In doing further research on this subject, I found this:
"NBC Universal and other companies say they want to increase prices by packaging content? say an episode of ?The Office? with the movie ?The 40- Year-Old Virgin,? because they both star the comedian Steve Carell."
<a class="jive-link-external" href="http://www.nytimes.com/2007/08/31/technology/31NBC.html?_r=1&#38;ref=technology&#38;oref=slogin" target="_newWindow">http://www.nytimes.com/2007/08/31/technology/31NBC.html?_r=1&#38;ref=technology&#38;oref=slogin</a>

I do NOT want to pay for shows or movies that I don't want to see just to be able to watch the show that I DO want to see!

NBC is once AGAIN making decisions FOR it's viewers/customers that they do NOT want made! It's the same thing they just did through their Sci-Fi Channel - cancelling a show with good ratings just because the demographic was middle aged &#38; female instead of their target young male demographic! They aren't interested in their customers &#38; what THEY want. They're only interested in money &#38; getting more of it. No wonder thier overall viewership is still dropping!
Posted by Zarinas1 (3 comments )
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in other breaking news: rain is wet!
It's their job to dictate people watch NBC content over someone else's.

For my money, NBC had the gumption to invest in shows like the office and Heroes.

Apple didn't.

And while I disagree with the idea of doubling the price (I think they can offer variable pricing downloads...one with advertising, the other without and in higher quality) I think Apple are displaying the negotiating skills of a petulant child.
Posted by mickiavellian (33 comments )
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Posted by songteksten32 (7 comments )
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NBC Goes To Amazon.com Unbox
The dictatorial Steve Smug needs to learn that content providers have alternatives to iTunes, and that more alternatives are on the way.

"NBC Universal Television Content Now Available on Amazon Unbox"

<a class="jive-link-external" href="http://biz.yahoo.com/bw/070904/20070904006367.html?.v=1" target="_newWindow">http://biz.yahoo.com/bw/070904/20070904006367.html?.v=1</a>
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