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Kids say e-mail is, like, soooo dead

By Stefanie Olsen
Staff Writer, CNET News.com
Published: July 18, 2007 4:00 AM PDT
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SAN FRANCISCO--The future of e-mail might be found on the pages of MySpace.com and Facebook.

Just ask a group of teen Internet entrepreneurs, who readily admit that traditional e-mail is better suited for keeping up professional relationships or communicating with adults.

"I only use e-mail for my business and to get sponsors," Martina Butler, the host of the teen podcast Emo Girl Talk, said during a panel discussion here at the Mashup 2007 conference, which is focused on the technology generation. With friends, Bulter said she only sends notes via a social network.

"Sometimes I say I e-mailed you, but I mean I Myspace'd or Facebook'ed you," she said.

To be sure, much has been written about the demise of e-mail, given the annoyance of spam and the rise of tools like instant messaging, voice over IP and text messaging. But e-mail has hung on to its utility in office environments and at home, even if it's given up some ground to new challengers. It may be that social networks are the most potent new rival to e-mail, one of the Internet's oldest forms of communication. With tens of millions of members on their respective networks, MySpace and Facebook can wield great influence over a generation living online, either through the cell phone or the Internet.

"I don't know any teen who doesn't have a phone with them all the time."
--Catherine Cook, president,
MyYearbook.com

And if you're among those who believe teens are the future, then e-mail could be knocked down a rung. For example, Craig Sherman, CEO of Gaia Online, a virtual world for teens and college kids, describes the age group as "the first and early adopters of new trends. Things they are doing are what everyone will be doing in five years."

To hear the teen panelists tell it, that means e-mail will be strictly the domain of business dealings.

"If I'm talking to any friends it's through a social network," said Asheem Badshah, a teenaged president of Scriptovia.com, an essay-sharing site that launched this summer. "For me even IM died, and was replaced by text messaging. Facebook will replace e-mail for communicating with certain people."

Almost on cue, a Microsoft executive sitting in the audience chimed in with a question to the teens, saying that given his work, he's "interested in people not using e-mail." He asked the panelists to comment about the fact that e-mail transmits to mobile devices, for example. Also, Facebook will send its members an e-mail anytime someone sends them a message on the social network.

Butler replied that she uses Facebook on her cell phone. "I need (Facebook) everywhere I go, but I log into e-mail only once a week," she said.

More and more, social networks are playing a bigger role on the cell phone. In the last six to nine months, teens in the United States have taken to text messaging in numbers that rival usage in Europe and Asia. According to market research firm JupiterResearch, 80 percent of teens with cell phones regularly use text messaging.

Catherine Cook, the 17-year-old founder and president of MyYearbook.com, was the lone teen entrepreneur who said she still uses e-mail regularly to keep up with camp friends or business relationships. Still, that usage pales in comparison to her habit of text messaging. She said she sends a thousand text messages a month.

"It's a problem for teens--you're like losing out on some of your friends if you choose just one (social network)."
--Asheem Badshah, president,
Scriptovia.com

"I don't know any teen who doesn't have a phone with them all the time," Cook said.

Still, the age group is a fickle bunch. All of the panelists said that they're constantly looking for the next, new thing to stay current with friends; and they often use different social networks and tools to keep up with different sets of people.

Cook, for example, said she uses her own social network MyYearbook to talk to her friends from school, but she uses Facebook to keep up with what's happening at Georgetown University, where she plans to attend school in the fall. Cook blogs at MySpace as a way to meet new friends, and she's also on LinkedIn to mine new professional relationships.

"Teens are on lots of sites and picking and choosing activities from each one," she said. "It's based on who you actually want to talk to."

Similarly, Ashley Qualls, president of WhateverLife, a graphical tool for users of MySpace, said she keeps adding on new social networks to her roster of memberships online. "People leave a trail of where they decide to go," she said.

Badshah said that to subscribe to only one social network means losing out on friendships with people who are active on other rival social networks. That's because having real estate on MySpace or Facebook means keeping tabs with only certain friends through messaging, blogs and recent photos. That the two major social networks don't interoperate could be reason for a new social network that could act as an intermediary to aggregate friends in one place, Badshah said, much the way Trillian did for IM applications like Yahoo and AOL.

"It's a problem for teens--you're like losing out on some of your friends if you choose just one," he said.

"To have all your buddy lists in one place, that's where this is going," Badshah said.

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Sure...
by umbrae July 18, 2007 5:32 AM PDT
They have time to hit all these different sites now, but as they get older and have less free time, they will appreciate having ONE source for contact. Not to mention, you have to worry about privacy and security related to several source.

I will keep my encrypted email, thank you very much.
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Email isn't going to go died
by Nazmul Hassan July 18, 2007 5:43 AM PDT
Well, nowadays, email'ng is turning into instant messaging, with smart phones telling you have a new email in real time.
i mean, being a kid myself, i use email, for official usage, not for social use. theres instant messaging and facebook for social uses.
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I kind of see their point
by beubanks7507 July 18, 2007 5:51 AM PDT
Being in their age group I see their point but, I still think that they
are under estimating the functionality of e-mail. There are lots of
things you can do with an e-mail that you can't easily do with and
IM, text message, or a Facebook message. I use e-mail all of the
time but it is mostly for school and work.
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MySpace seems to be a broadcast system
by bluemist9999 July 18, 2007 5:55 AM PDT
From the little experience I have with MySpace, it looks like a poster board where you can post things about yourself.

Granted, there are Blog posts and Bulletins, but I don't think group broadcasts are the same as one-on-one communication, no matter how public you want your life to be.

So, I'd say MySpace is best suited to personal updates, but not really for in depth one-on-one communication.

That is unless the style of the future is a large number of superficial acquaintainces---which it may very well be.
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one obstacle
by adasha76 July 18, 2007 5:58 AM PDT
I think the general idea has some merit, but one thing that might get in the way is usernames: with email I can have my own domain and basically have whatever address I want in that domain. With social networks you're basically up against all the early adopters who've taken all the good names so your stuck with myName375 or something else equally un-memorable, and for every network you're on you'll probably end up with different names each time
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It's even true for me
by Arrgster July 18, 2007 6:23 AM PDT
I'm 39 and I use my personal gmail account less and less. I talk to my fiends via myspace or text message. I use the gmail account for things like registration to websites or month billing statements from utilities or credit cards.
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I call BS
by wiarumas July 18, 2007 6:27 AM PDT
Wait a second... don't you have to have a email address to sign up for MySpace and Facebook?

Sorry, I would never listen to a teenager about the future of technology. Although they might use social networking sites more than email at a younger age, that doesn't reflect anything about the future of the email industry. Trust me, it is here to stay... at least for a few more dozen years.

I personally never used email either as a teen. The later years of my teenage life, I used instant messangers. That had no affect on the demand for email in my adult life. I grew up, and I'm expecting these kids to drop the whole personalized site to become professionals someday. I'm sure a 30 year old with a page called "Butterfly Tears of Depression" is not going to be respected in the business world. They would have to make a change. If not, then God have mercy on their souls.

Let's compare some of the key reasons why email is here to stay compared to Myspace. First off, Myspace is just as bad with spam as email and is going to get worse. I get emails from bands, fake people, and advertisements when my friend's account is hacked. Oh, and the phishing on Myspace is ridiculous... people fail to learn. Also, MySpace email has no connection to outside sites. You cannot sign up for other sites, newsletters, and other important sites... lets just use Paypal as a great example.

I'm not saying MySpace is for kids, but in the end, the article that was written is true only if you live in a MySpace bubble... visiting strictly MySpace and no other sites. Unfortunately, that is not reality (and thank God). Email is here to stay.
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Some foresight
by maverick_nick July 18, 2007 6:31 AM PDT
You've got to remember that we don't live in a binary world, so things like e-mail isn't necessarily dead or alive. Technology will evolve and with it communication. Take the telephone for example. I hate picking up the phone, so I'd rather send an email or text message than speak to someone on the phone, but that doesn't mean that the phone is dying.

Technically the social site's messaging service is a form of electronic mail. Just look at it as fetching your mail from a different mailbox.

As a software developer and active user of several forms of communication, I like to keep up with what's going on, and also try and predict the future. One of the things that I see happening in the future is standard API implementation, that will enable a single application to get your messages from the various networks, and basically bring everything into a single communication hub making it far easier to manage you communication on multiple platforms.

Basically instead of logging on to Facebook to get those messages, then MySpace to get those messages, I can get onto a single third party site which will fetch my messages from Facebook and MySpace. This is much like RSS feeds that's already implemented for blogs, and news articles.
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Email isn't quite ready to croak
by themortalgod July 18, 2007 6:32 AM PDT
Personally, I don't so much see email dying as I do see it merging with instant messaging and text messages, it already is becoming more and more like an instant messaging platform anyway, but email is still crucial for personal one on one communication and more importantly business transactions.

Every time you purchase something online, the company you purchased it from sends your receipt to your email, I find it quite unlikely that it will change anytime soon and since the vast majority of internet users use the internet for purchasing of goods and services, I find it quite unlikely that a transaction medium such as email would decline into nothing.

That said, however, the face of email seems to be evolving and becoming more of a file storage system then a communication tool, when we need to communicate directly in a social environment we are much more apt to try said communication via other means such as social networks, instant messaging, text messaging or even voice messaging rather then open our email, and thus email evolves into something that stores and archives personal data for us, transactions, business arrangements and more formal documents will all still be routed to our email. Thus email begins to evolve into what actual mail has become today, simply a medium to send and receive newsletters, legal documents and spam.

Furthermore, as mentioned in the email above, things need to become universalized with the other communication tools, right now if you have facebook and someone else has myspace you cannot communicate directly via these two communication mediums, additionally, if you have AIM and they have MSN you are in a similar predicament, but with email there is a standardized medium, one can send an email with hotmail to someone using email from AOL or their own domain or gmail or any form of email, there are no restrictions beyond spam filtering, this allows for universal digital communication between anyone with email service. This format, however, will soon be more universally adopted though as it is already being seen in text messaging and also with tools such as meebo, trillian and adium that help you communicate over multiple IM services almost seamlessly.

Email is changing no one can argue that, but it's death is not imminent in the least for it is the most universal and wide spread communication tool available to the online community at this time.
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And you are forgetting...
by wiarumas July 18, 2007 6:32 AM PDT
You are also forgetting the fact that not everyone has MySpace, nor wants to. As people grow up, they will eventually drop their MySpace pages or pay very little attention to it.

And the fact that MySpace cannot send or recieve outside of MySpace is it's blessing and curse. How are you going to email your friend on Facebook from MySpace? Or your professional friend who uses Gmail since he realizes that companies look at MySpace before hiring...
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This is all true UNTIL...
by phillynets July 18, 2007 7:09 AM PDT
So e-mail is dying because of SPAM...

So the future of SPAM and guerilla marketing will be through MySpace and Facebook? Grrrreat.

I have a great idea for a new technology that's going to really add value to the user experience. Imagine: We add additional content layers to messaging and then pretend that this is more efficient and engaging.

No wonder ADD is so prevelant. We move from one or two e-mail addressed to three or four "social networking" sites that let you do whatever the hell that they let you do... My Homepage tells me I have an e-mail without having to do anything; these kids have to log into a dozen sites to find out their Vaigra needs have been fulfilled.

There's a reason we don't hand our economy over to kids. This fad has staying power but it is very early in its evolutionary development.

MySpace sucks, by the way.
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Kid's are stupid about things like staying in touch.
by Renegade Knight July 18, 2007 7:35 AM PDT
They are willing to create 429 different accounts to keep up with 429 different friends. Meanwhile those same friends are doing the same thing. But email, is one account to contact them all.

It's just another variation of "you can talk to your friend at his house, but it's more fun to do it at the mall, movies, parties and so on".

Myspace and the like are just the internet version of the hang out spots. Nothing more. That there is a hot spot to hang out doesn't change, but which spot it is does. Same with the internet.
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A Little Irresponsible
by Thomas, David July 18, 2007 8:10 AM PDT
I think the author has just found a united chorus voicing
"WHAT?!" ... and these voices seldom agree on anything.

I do
not know what term they apply to a story like this in journalism,
but the jist of it is you are trying to make a story where
there is none. In addition, unfortunately for you, it illustrates a
certain lack of understanding about communications, protocols,
and their origins, otherwise you would not have written the
story, at least not with the idea that email is dead</
i>.

You story really should have focused on the people who
rely heavily on third party sources for their personal
communications. I wish you had thoght about that. It would
have shown some basic understanding, and you could've actually
helped a few people.

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...it isn't about the technology
by Bavati July 18, 2007 8:16 AM PDT
It strikes me that many of the respondents to the story appear to have focused on the technology / channel of communication. To my mind, the interesting point being made is that 'kids' simply aren't wed to a single, well-established channel in the same way that other generations of users have been. To the kids who's views were expressed in the piece it isn't the mode that matters but the act of communication, regardless of the channel.
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KIDS ARE LIKE, SOOOO BRAIN DEAD ABOUT E-MAIL
by Dr_Zinj July 18, 2007 8:20 AM PDT
1. You need an e-mail address just to be able to get MySpace or FaceBook accounts.

2. Most of these teenagers are not funding their own accounts and internet access, nor buying their own computers. Basing business decisions on a demographic with zero income is about the dumbest thing you can do.

3. Talking trash with your buddies doesn't constitute business use. It's fine for saying "Hi" and "Let's go hang out at the beach tomorrow", but that's about all. Inability to attach files, and poor formatting for printout preclude it's serious use for transmitting and printing formal documents.

4. Security? What's that?

5. How many businesses have blocked access to MySpace and Facebook as a means of INCREASING employee productivity?

6. My experience is that the greatest users of MySpace and FaceBook are the least producers in this country. The young people who are actually learning and doing spend less than 30 minutes a day chatting and texting each other.

7. It is a proven FACT that the more interruptions a person has by continually answering their cell phone, beeper, blackberry, e-mail, etc, the less productive they will be, period. And that it takes 10 to 15 minutes from each interruption to get fully back up to speed on what they were doing prior to the interruption.
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Some of you missed the point.
by ReVeLaTeD July 18, 2007 8:33 AM PDT
The point isn't that email should "go away", but rather that it shouldn't be used as the primary means of communication.

Which, of course, I disagree with.

I really can't stand these social networking sites as the primary means of communication. Email maintains a small footprint; just about every device out there supports it now and it's fast. What's more, the emails are small, so even the slowest of dialup can receive the majority of text based emails without issue.

These networking sites, on the other hand, require that you actually surf out to them, wait for them to load, log in, then navigate to your box. You're limited on how you can format your response, can't save emails, and are subject to outrageously strict space limits, the likes of which were prevalent before Gmail (i.e. years ago). Additionally, you see kids 13-17 talking about their sexual preferences, including giving vivid examples and making clear the fact that they've experienced quite a bit. You have inappropriate pictures of kids floating around. It's a cesspool.

I'm not saying email can't also be used for those purposes. What I'm saying is that for MY email, I don't have to wade through all that crap to communicate with the people I want to communicate with. I can also get my email throughout the day on my phone which has push technology. It's almost a better communication outlet than the voice portion and I don't know what I'd do without it.

These kids will grow out of it. It's a fad; it'll come and go.
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email, text, etc is SO impersonal
by vonnagy July 18, 2007 8:42 AM PDT
Let me start by saying that I use email and text when it is convenient. However, they both are impersonal and picking up the phone (mobile or land line) is much more friendly.

Here is food for thought: Has anyone thought that all of this "connectiveness" makes our lives more complicated and that personal space is no longer considered important.

Try this book: http://www.amazon.com/Better-Off-Flipping-Switch-Technology/dp/0060570040
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Great, the future is...
by Hoser McMoose July 18, 2007 9:04 AM PDT
For news about the future of the Internet we get quotes from a MySpace emo cutter and the chief Gaiafag.

If this is the future of humanity we're doomed!
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The future
by Fireweaver July 18, 2007 9:07 AM PDT
Is e-mail dead? Not yet. That's not really the point of the article despite the title to suck you in. It's about kid's preference to use texting and social networking sites to e-mail.

Kids truly are the future- just ask why MS and Apple struggle to get their goods in schools everywhere. If kids grow up wanting to use social networking sites to communicate you can bet that down the road that's what business will be doing.

Am I saying that we'll be using MySpace for business contacts? God, no. If this is truly how communication changes then a new tool will be created to fill the need.

What will happen is that one of these kids will grow up and understand the need to have improved social networking site for business applications and will create it.

MySpace and Facebook are not what will be used. They will fall by the wayside as new sites are created that better merge business and integrate functionality needed by business.

People's comments on this article complained about MySpace's poor interface and load times, about the poor space limits and lack of ability to interface with phones and such. Those comments are defined needs and a jumping off point. Some kid who wants to communicate via social networking and texting in business is going to start a company that builds this site and fills these needs on the business world's terms.
That kid will be rich and business will change- not because e-mail doesn't have it's place, but because a better, more connected, more intuitive piece of software has come along.
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Kids say a lot of things....
by anspn July 18, 2007 9:34 AM PDT
I've got 2 young ones (8 and 4) and they already tell me how I've got so much so wrong :)

Kids can help signal how technology use will evolve over time but we have to keep in mind that applications/services that are successful get tailored to the target segment/demographic and their specific needs.

Take social networking for example - kids certainly led the way and these networks are now going mainstream. There are also many specific family/parent networks out there now and this is evidence that kids can indeed serve as early adopters of new technology. The older demographics may not however use these services in the same way - for example, kids are using these networks to keep in touch, whereas parents may use it to share information or improve communication by using networks such as www.schoolparent.net
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