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DIGITAL AGENDA: Offshoring

The reality behind the politics

May 7, 2004, 4:00AM PT

Out of all the vitriol surrounding the offshore-labor question, remarkably few concrete suggestions have emerged to address this controversial trend.

In stripping away the hype, this CNET News.com special series examines the social, economic and political dimensions of offshoring and offers tangible steps that can be taken for the U.S. industry to maintain its historical lead in high technology. The report includes a poll of nearly 500 key industry decision makers, conducted jointly with Harris Interactive, the research firm that created The Harris Poll.

Day 1: U.S. needs reforms, not rhetoric

Government officials, business leaders and academics agree that the future of America's technology complex depends on education, professional training and research investment.

Day 2: Companies guarding 'secret sauce'

Although many U.S. technology businesses are contracting or considering some form of foreign outsourcing, they are adamant about keeping intellectual property at home--for now.

Day 3: How India is handling backlash

In stark contrast to the heated reaction among many U.S. workers, the country that is most associated with offshoring is both subdued and puzzled by the opposition that has arisen.

Day 4: The next technology battlefields

Rather than trying to reverse the outsourcing wave, the best way for America to fend off foreign competition is to invent technologies that will drive a new industrial cycle.

Taking the presidential campaign offshore

President George W. Bush and Democratic challenger John Kerry have yet to take definitive stands on the controversial topic of offshore outsourcing, but both candidates have made various proposals to strengthen America's global position in high technology.

President Bush

  • Opposes limits on international trade in general, as reflected in his top economic adviser's defense of offshoring.
  • Supports a permanent R&D tax credit for businesses and seeks record federal R&D spending of $132 billion for next year.
  • Proposes a budget of $14.6 billion next year for training programs and grants for technical and two-year postsecondary schools, a 6.7 percent increase from this year's budget.
  • Touts the No Child Left Behind Act, which calls for more accountability in schools, as a key to lifting student performance.

Sen. Kerry

  • Calls for federal contract work to be performed by American workers "wherever possible."
  • Agrees that the R&D tax credit should be made permanent and proposes a tax reform plan designed to encourage companies to create jobs in America and stop shifting them overseas.
  • Advocates increased spending for "key research programs and agencies," such as the National Science Foundation and National Aeronautics and Space Administration.
  • Seeks expanded education funding--partly through a "State Tax Relief and Education Fund" that would allocate $25 billion over two years--and proposes a tax credit on the first $4,000 of tuition for each year of college.
Editors: Mike Yamamoto, Karen Said   Copy editor: Zoë Barton  
Design: Marla Price   Production: Andrew Lottmann

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Where is thier stance?
by May 4, 2004 4:58 AM PDT
I am just curious what each candidate stands for. I am undecided and it will sway my vote.
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Does it really matter?
by kennyjboyd May 4, 2004 6:39 AM PDT
I'm sure there are just as many intelligent "techies" in america as there are in India, and I realize that companies will always find ways to cut costs through outsourcing. However, Indians are just as aware of supply and demand as we are. They will soon see increases in pay, and the advantage of outsourceing will go away. I worry more about our high school students who will chose lucrative fields over science. What will that due to our competitive edge in military defense? Will we lose our technical creativity if college students choose other fields of study?
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Things cost the same everywhere
by May 4, 2004 7:07 AM PDT
Intel charges the same amount for its chips everywhere. Motorola's phones are as expensive or inexpensive in India as they are in other countries. $20k per year can't buy decent healthcare in India though the prices of drugs in India are a fraction of those in developed countries because of its different patent laws. LG charges the same amount for its refrigerators in India that it does in Korea and the rest of the world. Real-estate in Delhi, the capital of India is costlier than many cities in the developed world. The $20k a year engineers have no benefits.

Those corporations doing offshoring are living off the perception that somehow things are cheaper in India.

Globalization is a name for the circumvention of the labor laws of developed countries and the denial of basic rights in developing ones.

Check the prices of some items in India:

www.fabmall.com
www.motozone.yahoo.co.in
www.lgezbuy.com http://www.cushwakeasia.com/publication/pdf/india/ND%20Q103.pdf

More on India's patent laws: http://www.wired.com/news/conflict/0,2100,48153,00.html

http://www.wired.com/news/medtech/0,1286,47643,00.html
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Education, a Clear Vision and Leadership are the Key
by barbinator2 May 4, 2004 9:23 AM PDT
Americans are going to have to compete on a global level, as technology advances have made this type of outsourcing possible. Excellent education must be the foundation of our competitive advantage, as India would not be in this position if they did not have the educated work force to pull it off. Technological advances are always a double edged sword--you take the good with the bad. Craig Barret (Intel CEO) said Americans don't have a God given right to be superior. We must do better than "no child left behind"--that isn't a clear enough vision to catapult our amazing work force to the front of the pack. We must have the clear goal to win in the global marketplace and do whatever it takes to get there, or I guarantee we will lose our national high standard of living. I believe we can do it. As a nation we must band together and demand leadership in this direction.
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The real reason enrollments are down ...
by msanto May 4, 2004 9:44 AM PDT
was outlined clearly in a Lou Dobbs story on CNN. And I believe it too. People are reassessing their career choices and in light of the offshoring going on in the tech industry, moving away from that field.

Personally, if I were going to school I would pick a field that I knew could not be outsourced. Say, medicine (not radiology, though!). And I would tell my kids NOT to go into tech work.

BTW, the CEOs say there are not enough tech workers in the US, and that's a reason they offshore. That's a blantant lie. If that were the case, why are there so many qualified programmers out of work? I personally know more than a few excellent programmers who have been laid off. The real reason is cost.

And people don't consider the spiral:

1) many jobs get offshored. Not just tech, radiology, CPA work, legal work, anything that does not need face-to-face interaction can be offshored. We're already seeing it with all of the above examples I gave.

2)Yes, we get cheap stuff, but who can buy it, if all the good-paying jobs go overseas? Certainly people in India and China are not going to buy $5000 HDTVs.

3) All these people out of work = lower tax revenue (this has already been seen; CA is very worried about this) for both income tax, SS tax, and sales tax.

4) All these people out of work will need unemployment and perhaps public funds for medical care at county hospitals etc. But there's less tax revenue to provide these services.

5) Less SS tax means SS will run out of money sooner.

6) Less people can buy stuff. This means there will be less product demand. This will hurt corps (in the long run).

There's more and more. You don't need to be an economist to see this. Just have common sense. Watch Lou Dobbs on CNN for more of this info, if you want more.

Basically what corps are doing is getting a short-term gain (lower wages) for a long-term cost.

Note: when it comes to less $$$ for the corps, they are against offshoring. Case in point: offshoring of drugs (meaning, importation of drugs from Canada). I'm sorry, I trust Canadian drugs. You can't tell me they sell their people stuff that will hurt them, or us.

I'm disappointed that CNET is taking a pro-offshoring stance.
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Well, these people are just plain stupid...
by nazzdeq May 6, 2004 11:11 AM PDT
1. How is "education" the answer for Americans when you can
find an Indian programmer with an MBA who's willing to work
for 5k US per year? Education is NOT the answer.

2. Company's are outsourcing to save a few bucks all have CEO's
making millions, which is absurd. They could afford US
programmers if they cut their own salaries in half.

3. US Taxpayer dollars should NEVER go to foreign company's
period. It's immoral to use US tax dollars against the same
citizens who supplied the money in the first place.

4. The solution is simple, stop supporting companies that
outsource. They have every right to outsource your job, you have
every right to boycott their products.

5. If Indian company's were that good, why aren't there any
Indian Operating Systems, Databases, Office Products, etc. for
sell in Best Buy? Surely Wipro or Infosys could make a few decent
apps. The reality, most of the good Indian developers are
already in the US. Productivity levels in India are not that great.

6. In the end, there's nothing to worry about in the long run,
because the companies that have outsourced will eventually
come crying back.
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