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YouTube sucks: 4 sites that do video better

by Josh Lowensohn

      YouTube may be the best-known mainstream video-hosting site on the Web, but it's certainly not winning any awards for the visual quality of its content. YouTube's creators have said higher-resolution videos are on the way, but until then, there are a handful of other services that do a much better job at making your uploaded video look a little less Webby.

      There's another problem at hand: size. Video files are big, and a lot of the most popular services place tedious size restrictions. Those restrictions mean that you are either going to have to compress your video through third-party software before uploading or make smaller, lower-quality source recordings to begin with.

      We've handpicked four services that have pretty lenient size limits and that don't force you to download software clients just to graduate up to the higher caps. To be fair, we're also comparing all four to the YouTube status quo.

      So here's the deal. We took a source video of just less than 2 minutes at full VGA quality at 30 frames per second. It came off a recent-model Canon digital camera that saved it as an approximately 200MB AVI file. Your results for source material may vary, but based on the popularity charts on Flickr, Canons rule the roost both overall and in the point-and-shoot camera category, so we felt that it was a good control.

      It's worth noting that Casio has several models of digital cameras with "YouTube capture" modes, though these are simply recording video in MPEG-4 H.264 at smaller resolutions, which takes up less space. You can accomplish a similar feat, albeit using a different video codec, if your camera has a "compact" or "e-mail ready" video-capturing mode.

      Next, we uploaded to each site using its Web uploader. Not some standalone software application, but the interface that any Joe Shmo has to use when adding videos to the site.

      The three things we're testing today are:
      1) Ease of interface when having to add titles, tags, and other information
      2) Real-world speed of upload
      3) End quality

      The five sites we put through the ringer were: YouTube, Viddler, Vimeo, Facebook, and Veoh. All let you add files in excess of 200MB.

      1. Ease of use.

      How easy it is to navigate the uploader and add things such as title, tags, and categories?

    • YouTube. YouTube has by far the most amount of "paperwork" you can fill out before you can begin uploading, but there are only a couple of required fields, and the opportunity for categorization goes deeper than most. There are a ton of boxes to click and drop-down menus to choose from, including a geographical map of where the video was taken and privacy controls to let you tweak what others can do with your video.

    • Viddler was the best of breed for its interface, which is all business. It lets you pick your video and start uploading before filling out any forms. When it's actually time to fill it in, tagging and categorization are simple and intuitive.

    • Vimeo. Vimeo's uploader was a cinch to use. You can start uploading your video file without even having to give it a name.

    • Facebook. Very easy to get going, unless you've got a lot of people in the video. Facebook's prowess over the others is that you can tag people who are in it, which doesn't take long, using the built-in search-as-you-type box. It also lets you start uploading before filling anything out. The one caveat is that you have to sign up for Facebook first, but you're on there anyway, right?

    • Veoh. Simple setup, though like others, you have to do the naming, tagging, and categorization before beginning the upload.
    • 2. Real-world upload time.

      We've rated each site on its feel from slow, medium, to fast along with a time of how long each site took to ingest the file. This is based on a standard, domestic Comcast cable modem connection (8MB/s). At the time, we had an instant-messaging application running, along with a browser window that had about 10 tabs open, and no other concurrent uploads or downloads.

      Slow
      Vimeo (1 hr 19 min.) Vimeo was the second-longest to upload, though it provides a simple 100 percent counter to let you know how far it's gotten.
      Veoh (1 hr 21 min.) Veoh was the slowest of the bunch. You better have something good to do, or leave it going overnight.

      Medium
      YouTube (42 min.) Not bad, but not great, either. YouTube also has a multivideo uploader that lets you load your videos in batches.

      Fast
      Viddler (29 min.) Viddler was by far the fastest of the uploaders. Your results will vary, though.
      Facebook (36 min.) Facebook slurped up our video quickly, and it even gives an estimation for when the video will be done.

3. Quality

A picture's worth a thousand words, so here are full-quality screencaps from all five services, including a baseline of the source video in its native resolution. Since the various players either stretch or resize the source content to fit the player, black space has been added around the outside to balance. The services have been ordered from largest to smallest, starting with the source material.

Note: To compare, just mouse over the name of each service below the picture. It might take a second or two to load, depending on your connection.

Source       Facebook       Viddler       Veoh       Vimeo       YouTube      

Final thoughts

For smaller-resolution stuff that hovers around VGA, you're better off with Veoh. Veoh manages to retain a good amount of detail in your video stream, as long as you're willing to put up with the lengthly uploading time. If you're lucky enough to be the proud owner of an HD-capable camcorder or digital camera, pass go and check out Vimeo, which is the only service that's ready, willing, and able to handle HD video, if you've got it. Now go forth and upload.

2/5 Update: Several users have noted the similarities in Veoh and Vimeo, and it's definitely a close call. I stand by my judgment of Veoh, as I've listed in the comments, but the difference will be negligible for most users. We're definitely planning on doing a follow-up with another crop of services, so if you've got a favorite that fits the specs for our test file, then leave it in the comments or shoot me an e-mail.

2/6 Update: I was lucky enough to get some time to talk about these tests on the News.com podcast with Erica Ogg earlier today. You can read the show notes and get links to the mentioned stories on this page, or listen to the entire thing with the embedded player below. If you like what you hear, you can also become a subscriber of the show via iTunes. One thing to note is I managed to mix up Vimeo with Viddler when talking about the two quality winners, so keep that in mind.

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Josh Lowensohn writes for Webware.com, CNET's blog about Web applications and services. E-mail Josh, or follow him on Twitter at http://www.twitter.com/Josh.
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by royauty February 4, 2008 12:23 PM PST
Take a better look at the screen capture quality evaluation! Viddler introduces far fewer noisy artifacts into the image, and uploads videos in one-third the time of Veoh. Of course, I'll still use YouTube because that's where all the content is right now.
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by Josh.Lowensohn February 4, 2008 2:50 PM PST
It's kind of a toss-up in my opinion. I think despite some noise in certain places Veoh kept several minute details intact (like cabinet handles and shadows). You're totally spot on about the upload time though, the difference if huge, and if you're in a hurry Viddler is the go-to uploader.
by JonTitor February 4, 2008 1:35 PM PST
Stage6 > all
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by Josh.Lowensohn February 4, 2008 2:53 PM PST
Hah, you may be right Jon. I will have to give it a look.

Maybe we'll do a part 2. If anyone else has suggestions for other services to try, leave them here.
by dragonnav February 6, 2008 5:33 PM PST
Yeah, stage 6 is the best. HD CONTENT RULES!
by Revrant February 6, 2008 9:55 PM PST
I was going to say this myself, Stage6 has amazing quality and it's pretty easy to use, unfortunately their search function is pretty off the wall and unreliable.
by /P1\ February 27, 2008 6:47 PM PST
yea... stage6 is dead
by ghost__boy March 1, 2008 7:01 PM PST
Stage6 is unfortunately closing soon, so DivX can "focus their efforts" more on their codec.
by hughmanity February 4, 2008 2:25 PM PST
rayauty is right, ...check out the pixelation in the ceiling tiles with Veoh.
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by Josh.Lowensohn February 4, 2008 2:52 PM PST
Pixelation is one thing, but you can't even see the ceiling lines past the lamp in Viddler's version, so it's kind of moot. I think the two are very much a toss up.
by famulla February 4, 2008 8:25 PM PST
A picture's worth a thousand words
I will go on from here. Here we have varied version of pictures. We had the in 40s and 50s in black and white but we also had love then.
With the diverse pixels and DHV and all the gimmicks we have more resolution and less friends. Here you have the youth poring milk. I would look at the milk as the daily souse of the vitamin. Need I listen to the smokes also? No. I have nothing against the pictures given to me in any form if I cannot hear I pack up. After all, picture cerate impressions and sound the love. It is pointless in giving these pixels to those have no choice but to stick to the low resolutions they and there millions who are in this category. For those who have, will view this and redefine this in the TV.
I thank you
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by entee February 4, 2008 9:08 PM PST
Screen quality appears to be the best with Viddler and Vimeo, and actually the second-worst for Veoh, better only than youtube.

Nice comparison, though.

Editing mistake?
Vimeo (1 hr 19 min.) Vimeo was by far the longest to upload...
Veoh (1 hr 21 min.) Veoh was the slowest of the bunch...
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by Josh.Lowensohn February 5, 2008 8:42 AM PST
Yikes, too much coffee I suppose. Fixed.
by abdoismx February 5, 2008 5:45 AM PST
Stage6 is better than all these websites. And its becoming more popular everyday for it's outstanding resolution. Check it out
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by Josh.Lowensohn February 5, 2008 8:45 AM PST
Will do, I like what I see already. Like I said to JonTitor above, I'd love to do a part 2 with another handful of services.
by pugsley0134 February 5, 2008 7:52 AM PST
Facebook might be a cool social network, but for videos it really sucks, most songs are atleast 3 min and on facebook the max time for any video is only 2 minutes, now that sucks!!!!
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by Josh.Lowensohn February 5, 2008 8:44 AM PST
Actually it's 15 minutes. Here's what it says on the site (http://vupload.facebook.com/video/?upload):

* The video is under 300 MB and under 15 minutes.
* The video was made by you or your friends.
* You or one of your friends appears in the video.

Facebook's most stringent aspect is the people requirement, but I've personally uploaded, and seen others that have uploaded videos taken from elsewhere.
by blusteel21 February 5, 2008 9:45 AM PST
yeah Stage6.com is by far better then all the others because it has the highest quality and their library is slowly growing even more. youtube and the others have a ton of videos like you guys said but that is fine by me if we keep quality on stage6 then i am fine for watching crappy quality montages and small clips on youtube. so youtube no need to fuss but you might want to separate the better qualities.
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by jwaldrip February 5, 2008 10:22 AM PST
Its way too bad that stage6 is all divx and not flash. Makes it really a pain to download that plugin.
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by abdoismx February 6, 2008 6:27 AM PST
Downloading the divx plugin is completely worth it ... have u seen the dimmer. When you are watching a divx on stage6, the screen dims after sometime of inactivity so that the video area becomes the center of our attention .. i love that feature... Plus, i think stage6 also allows .avi videos.
by ragingpugh February 5, 2008 11:32 AM PST
"Vimeo's uploader was a cinch to use, although like others you need to fill in several forms to get to the point of being able to upload your video file."

This is wrong, unless this statement is including signing up for Vimeo (which you also have to do for Viddler, too). Vimeo allows you to start uploading before you fill out any forms.
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by Josh.Lowensohn February 5, 2008 4:34 PM PST
You're right. Fixed.
by kentpaul_65102 February 5, 2008 1:31 PM PST
i agree w. the ppl who said stage6... , it has really good video quality and its only downside is downloading the divx plugin
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by Starfires February 5, 2008 7:06 PM PST
Veoh looks just terrible, Viddler and Vimeo look pretty good. The interface on Viddler is a joy to use, I was really excited when it came out and they even featured some of my slide-shows on the front page. After a few weeks, though, my pieces kind of drifted out of sight there and I couldn't find other users I really related to.

Blurry Youtube is less than ideal for such things, but at least it has so many viewers that it is easier to get some appreciation there that I get daily comments on my videos. With Google in charge, I can see a Hi-def version coming pretty soon and with it much better quality. They already improved the features no end, without really spoiling the community feel of the place, to my mind. Others may feel betrayed, certainly, their obsession with copyright on slide-show soundtracks is a real shame, but you can't really blame them for that.

Conclusion- I'd go elsewhere, but the party is still at Youtube.
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by lloyd877 February 5, 2008 9:29 PM PST
Stage6.com really good for a video site
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by redrasys February 6, 2008 11:58 AM PST
With the emergence of specific vertical market oriented sites like YouPorn, ClipMeet, Zipvo etc - i think the industry trend is changing to more specific video segments.
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by Conker10 February 6, 2008 2:52 PM PST
I tried Viddler and it has habit of putting advertising on the video you are watching and takes up portion of the screen that I find annoying and distracting. People might complain about YouTube but at least it doesn't it doesn't allow advertisements in its product. I might try the other sites at at later date, but when the highest rated site is below that which it imitates, then I will stick with the original.
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by Dashizzle9 February 6, 2008 3:52 PM PST
While the other mentioned sites might have better quality and whatnot. YouTube still has the most content and is the most popular right now.
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by sassyjade February 6, 2008 9:24 PM PST
Does anyone know if any of these sites (or others)

1) allows videos to be password protected for only a certain audience to view
OR
2) has a group function like youtube but allows videos for the group to be made private?
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by Revrant February 6, 2008 9:57 PM PST
Very good comparison, I'll keep using youtube of course, simply because of the massive amount of content, but it's good to know of a couple others that I wasn't aware of.
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by Revrant February 7, 2008 2:08 AM PST
Oh, I totally forgot, though it sort of doesn't qualify because it's got a purpose whereas these sites are free reign on all non-adult content, hulu has excellent quality.
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by fedtho February 9, 2008 2:26 AM PST
I don't know where things are about copyright with video sharing sites... But isn't the poor quality of YouTube kind of a possible guarantee people will be able to continue posting there valuable musical clips of songs you don't find anywhere anymore, or just want to listen to once because it popped in your head? For that kind of use, I don't mind poor image quality (and it seems to me sound is gradually getting better). On high-def sites, clips of famous artists are more likely to rise copyright issues, potentially leading to legal fights ending up in simply closing them down...
Just a thought.
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