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April 1, 2009 10:13 AM PDT

YouTube now pulls music videos out of Germany

by Greg Sandoval
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YouTube has pulled the plug on music videos in Germany as Western Europe starts to look like a hostile environment for Web music services.

A YouTube spokesman confirmed that YouTube is no longer playing music videos belonging to the largest music labels after talks with Germany's biggest royalty collections group, GEMA, broke down.

The conflict is almost identical to YouTube's spat with a royalty group in the United Kingdom, but with one important twist. According to YouTube, GEMA is asking for royalty rates that are 50 times higher than those asked for by PRS, the British organization, and YouTube argues those are even too high.

According to sources close to the negotiations, GEMA is asking for rates far higher than what the group asked for in the original agreement. A GEMA representative could not be reached for comment. But it should be noted that the music industry has often offered favorable financial terms to start-up Web services in initial licensing agreements.

Music executives have told me in recent months that once the companies begin to generate revenue and gain a foothold, they should expect to pay more.

Talks are ongoing but until a deal is worked out, it's unlikely German YouTube fans will be seeing any music clips.

At least in Great Britain, YouTube can make the claim to record labels that the site promotes music sales. The BBC recently reported on a survey that asked more than 1,500 Brits about viewing habits.

About half of the adults who participated said they purchased music after watching a YouTube video by an artist.

Greg Sandoval covers media and digital entertainment for CNET News. He is a former reporter for The Washington Post and the Los Angeles Times. E-mail Greg, or follow him on Twitter at http://twitter.com/sandoCNET.
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by kingpigeon April 1, 2009 11:28 AM PDT
Over and over again the truth remains the same:

1) If I hear it, and I like it, and it's available on iTunes or Amazon, I buy it.
2) If I hear it, and I like it, and it's not available on iTunes or Amazon, I track it down via a myriad of "other ways."
3) If I don't hear it, because Germany yanked all their videos off of YouTube, then obviously I can't know whether I like it or not, and so I don't buy it.

Seems simple enough. HURRUMPH! :-D
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by Earl Benzar April 1, 2009 11:52 AM PDT
The music industry continues to make itself irrelevant. Eventually people will get sick of this and start listening to that which is freely available. So keep they can continue to keep the RIAA stuff locked up but eventually they will suffocate.
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by FactsStraight April 2, 2009 3:07 AM PDT
It's YOUTUBE/GOOGLE, not the music industry that have pulled the videos from its service in response to collecting societies requesting what they see as fair pay for the songwriters and composers that create the music that's being put up there and viewed/visited/listened to by millions of users. Actually PRS is not for profit and is merely the UK collecting society, representing music creators. Without those music creators getting some money from YouTube/Google for people listening to their music, they can't do it for a living, so music stops getting made, or as much of it, anyway. Why should anyone continually produce work for free? At the moment, consumers are not customers. Just cos one CAN get music for free doesn't mean one SHOULD. As for the amounts GEMA and PRS for Music are asking for, I can't comment - it might well be too much, but for Google/YouTube to throw its dolls out the pram and pull premium content instead of sitting down and coming to an arrangement is unnecessary and actually the consumer should be mad at YouTube for pulling content that they want to see and listen to, not mad at the PRS and GEMA for trying to come to an arrangement on fair pay. "Fairplay for Creators" (FAC) www.fairplayforcreators.com has been set up by PRS for people to have their say. Lots of consumers won't care about the fate of music creators, but many are in support of them and therefore in support of the collecting soceties. If the only way you can decide whether you like something or not is by accessign it for free on Youtube, what did you do in the days before YouTube - just not buy any music? People are losing sight of how we used to get music and how we in the digital age have now become to expect it for free. It shouldn't be free - it's a product. You can listen to excerpts froms ongs before you buy on iTunes, so there is a legitmate way to buy music. If 79p on iTunes is too much for you to purchase a song, it is quite sad that despite your love of music you put no value on it. .
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by David Gerard April 3, 2009 4:10 AM PDT
"We told them to give us lots of money or pull the videos ... and they pulled the videos! Google is obviously far too powerful if it can actually call our bluff. The Government should investigate them with a view to making them give us free money just because we want it."

My blog post on the topic: http://tinyurl.com/d8npvt
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