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September 23, 2008 4:00 AM PDT

Windows Mobile 7 release delayed

by Ina Fried
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Microsoft has informed some of its partners that it has had to delay Windows Mobile 7, a much anticipated update to its cell phone operating system.

Although Microsoft has not publicly said when to expect Windows Mobile 7, partners who had expected to have a final release in their hands by early next year have been told now that it won't be ready until the second half of next year, sources told CNET News.

The delay is a significant blow for the software maker, which has been counting on the next version of Windows Mobile to enable devices that better rival Apple's iPhone. Among the features widely expected to be part of the release is advanced gesture recognition, perhaps along the lines of the iPhone, but possibly also using the camera as a means for reading gestures. Microsoft's Tellme unit, which focuses on speech input, has also been working on Windows Mobile 7 features.

Windows Mobile 6.1

Windows Mobile 7 is expected to be a dramatic improvement over 6.1, shown here, but when will it arrive?

(Credit: Microsoft)

The delay also comes amid stepped-up competition. Google is preparing Tuesday to launch the first phone running its Android operating system, while Apple has its updated iPhone 3G, and new models are also debuting from BlackBerry maker Research In Motion.

Microsoft, for its part, declined to comment on its plans. In an interview, group product manager Scott Rockfeld noted that CEO Steve Ballmer and mobile unit head Andy Lees did meet with 17 of the company's largest cell phone maker and carrier partners.

"They all expressed their excitement of what we are doing in the short term and the long term," Rockfeld said.

Microsoft is not expected to have a major update to its core operating system ahead of Windows Mobile 7. However, other improvements are expected to debut sooner, most notably an improved browser that brings the rendering engine of Internet Explorer 6 onto Windows Mobile. That update, still expected this year, should pave the way for Windows Mobile phones to display rich Web pages, including those that are home to Flash content and Ajax applications.

In addition, a number of carriers and handset makers have been working with Microsoft to add new touch interfaces and other features, separate from Microsoft's operating system updates. The T-Mobile Shadow was one of the first devices to benefit from such work, while more recent products from HTC also have their own custom interfaces above and beyond those included in the most recent version of Windows Mobile.

"Customers don't have to sit back and wait," Rockfeld said. "There's tons of stuff coming from us and our partners."

Rockfeld also tried to make the case that Microsoft's business model is friendlier to hardware makers and cell phone carriers than those of rivals, including Google.

"The thing that they are trying to do is they are trying to own the services," Rockfeld said, saying that is a move that has plenty of carriers worried. "They don't want to sit there and just become a dumb pipe."

Microsoft, he said, is willing to work with carriers to power their own services. "We're happy sharing the limelight," he said.

As for Windows Mobile 7, Microsoft has said very little publicly. Ballmer did make reference to it in a speech to enthusiasts in April.

During the speech, he talked about how Windows Mobile would outsell Apple and RIM during 2008. He then added: "And I think that certainly this should be a good year for us for sales, but the work we're doing on Windows Mobile 7, which is the next major release of Windows Mobile, not just in the Windows Mobile team, but across Windows Mobile, in Silverlight, the development platform, the e-mail, the back-end, I think you'll continue to see that as an area of major excitement and innovation for the company as we move forward."

During her years at CNET News, Ina Fried has changed beats several times, changed genders once, and covered both of the Pirates of Silicon Valley. These days, most of her attention is focused on Microsoft. E-mail Ina.
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by quadj September 23, 2008 5:20 AM PDT
So, let me get this straight--another Microsoft OS has been delayed. I guess it is true that history always repeats itself. My question is how many times does this have to happen before people start catching a clue and looking for something else? Customers (i.e., consumers and enterprise users alike) don't deserve this. But I guess history repeating itself isn't just for companies; it's for customers as well.

Wake up people. We deserve better than this.
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by MaggieRed September 23, 2008 6:34 AM PDT
And because they are the major player for all these other device handsets, those people just have to flow with what happens.

Although now, albeit MS is minimizing them, Goggle comes on the scene with Android there maybe alternatives for the handset folks. It would be costly to switch for them and we are not sure what contracts they are tied to with MS. Since 99% of us have no idea what is in the contracts between Apple and AT&T, and we've not heard of any mobile OS X porting to an open source distribution, MS therefore rules the earth. Everybody does what MS dictates.

It is exactly the same with the desktop/laptop/server computer market. Almost all the manufacturers tied themselves to MS.
by Vegaman_Dan September 23, 2008 9:30 AM PDT
Apple's iPhone OS and Google's own Android have also been similarly delayed. This is not unsual in the industry. Make sure you include those companies with the large tar brush you are using.
by aka_tripleB September 23, 2008 2:18 PM PDT
So you're saying that customers deserve the ability to buy things that don't work? I for one would not want to pay hundreds of for a phone, plus a monthly fee just to own a paper weight that may or may not cause cancer. I for one would rather do business with a company that is straight-forward and forthgoing about its shortcomings. I'm sure most people would rather be told "you can't buy our product because it is not ready yet" than "you can't use your new purchase because it wasn't ready when we started selling it."
by Imalittleteapot September 23, 2008 5:30 AM PDT
Seriously, the laptop is the new desktop and the mobile is the new laptop. Windows mobile devices are fairly common, but they always give me the impression MS doesn't really take that platform very serious. That's just a feeling though. They need to put more effort into this I think.
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by The User September 23, 2008 6:19 AM PDT
I hopped MS will dedicate more attention and resources to its mobile platform. Personally, I think it is the most versatile OS on the market that can do everything BlackBerry and iPhone can, and way more than both combined. Some decent WM phones are finally coming out - HTC Touch HD. A little cleaner interface (although with 3-party apps it can look anything you want, including be a 1:1 replica of iPhone), a little faster processing - that's all I can ask for.
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by reddunefilms September 23, 2008 6:25 AM PDT
quadj 5:20AM - So let me get this straight, Microsoft has never released a release date for Windows Mobile 7 and yet quadj makes stupid and uninformed comments like 'another Microsoft OS has been delayed'!

You are and idiot quadj.
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by catch23 September 23, 2008 6:33 AM PDT
More then that, if MS releases on time but not perfect, it just proves how bad MS is. Late? Ya, they suck. At all? More of the same.
Apple on the other hand is endlessly forgiven fro releasing total crap, and even praised for issuing so many patches...

It will be interesting to see if Google is cut any slack with Android.
by Penguinisto September 23, 2008 6:43 AM PDT
This is news? :)

I fully expect MSFT to miss deadlines - they've done so almost consistently for... well, over a decade, at least. (not counting the server OS versions - they've been surprisingly on-time with those...)

Only diff is, Windows Mobile is losing marketshare hard to the iPhone globally, to RIM in North America, and could never do much against Symbian elsewhere.

/P
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by The User September 23, 2008 7:53 AM PDT
Losing market share? How did you determine that? Sales are up and doing well, as far as the pure numbers go.
by The User September 23, 2008 8:02 AM PDT
Just to add, with 42% smartphone market share, which is more than RIM and Apple combined (19.2 and 17.7) I fail to see how WM is doing badly. With very good hardware finally coming out I believe WM will be quite alright.
by Vegaman_Dan September 23, 2008 9:34 AM PDT
The User: Like most of Penguinisto's 'facts'.... he makes it up. He's admitted as such in the past when asked to back up his claims. It's easy to do too. Simply make any comment you want as long it involves bigotry and MS hatred. It's his 'thing'.

Penguinisto: Please remember that Apple, Google, and RedHat have all three also missed deadlines with their products. I fully expect you to use the same comments to describe them as well.
by Penguinisto September 23, 2008 12:39 PM PDT
Y'all must be joking. Go argue with Canalys if you don't like the numbers:
http://blogs.computerworld.com/canalys_figures_in_iphone_clear_winner_in_north_america

So - where did this mythical 42% marketshare for Windows Mobile come from?

And Dan... telling lies is so infantile. Please stop doing so.
by Vegaman_Dan September 23, 2008 2:22 PM PDT
Penguinisto wrote:

"And Dan... telling lies is so infantile. Please stop doing so."

Please demonstrate where I have lied. I'd love to see you try proving it. All the times I've asked you before to do so, you have failed miserably.

Remember, all I can do is use your own comments- and when those comments keep contradicting themselves, who is to blame there? Your creative use of the truth is worthy of any fiction writer.

And I love your 'facts' you quote the resources here. Did you see the URL itself? BLOG.computerworld.com. If you are unaware of the difference, a BLOG is an opinion piece and not an article by a professional journalist. Once again, your sources are... fictionary at best.
by andy88488 September 23, 2008 6:53 AM PDT
When you say that partners won't see it til the second half of '09, do you mean that the devices would be even later than that? When do the devices finally come out? 2010? That's incredible!

I use Win Mo 6.1 on my PDA, and I like it, but there is no way I am waiting 18 months to buy my next phone.
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by JKeelo September 23, 2008 6:55 AM PDT
Windows Mobile 7 delayed..

to give MS some time to look at all of the iPhone and Android offerings and 'innovate' a crippled clone.

Typical MS BS.
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by 4wight September 23, 2008 7:02 AM PDT
Whether quadj is an idiot or not, reddunefilms, I am not in a position to say (and aren't personal attacks prohibited not to mention a pretty poor case for an argument?) but if you read the article it states at the top that Microsoft have told developers that it won't be ready now until the second half of next year. i.e. there is a clear implication that they had already told developers it would be released at the start of the year. If this is the case then how is quadj an idiot - at least he read the article - and the headline? If this is misreporting by the journalist, then you should be directing your attention at Ina Fried not someone commenting on the story as written.
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by kg4zxk September 23, 2008 7:06 AM PDT
MS should take the platform more seriously. On the Palm Treo I used to have it constantly CRASHED! My Black Berry does not have all the bells and whistles of MS.... BUT IT WORKS! It's very rare I have to reset the phone.
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by mikehill33 September 23, 2008 7:12 AM PDT
Windows Mobile 7 is too late to the party! As a former WM6 owner, I was amazed at how poorly architected and utterly unusable the OS was.

Illogical menus, arcane error messages, and an OS that constantly ran out of memory and had to be rebooted....all contributed to the single worst mobile experience of my consumer life.

I will never look at another WM6 phone, no matter how "new & improved" any Micro-softie says it is!

Android or Blackberry FTW!
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by csUser September 23, 2008 7:13 AM PDT
Yea, you guys are right. I'd much rather they rush through it to make their release date than take time to make a quality product. It's true, programming always follows a straightforward, linear timeline - especially when you are trying to innovate and offer something new to attract more business. No, you guys, in your infinite wisdom, have hit the nail on the head. Screw them for taking their time to make their offering as good as it can be, we are waiting here! How dare they set their own timeline for their own product. ********. I personally would rather take my business to a company that puts out shoddy software, because at least they make their deadlines. And that goes for pharmeceuticals, appliances, cars, and just about every other product that requires RESEARCH and EFFORT. I want my drugs now; screw the side effects. I want my brand new Energy efficient dryer - I don't care that it could cause a fire. I want my hybrid car, who cares that the hydrogen cells could potentially leak because of a faulty battery housing.
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by Vegaman_Dan September 23, 2008 9:38 AM PDT
Rushing a product to market that is missing features that every other smartphone and PDA on the entire planet has? Shipping a product with no sort of security at all on it? Releasing a new phone OS without testing it?

I don't know why they can't- Apple did.
by SpitfireAu September 25, 2008 11:09 PM PDT
&Vegaman_Dan: Not defending MS, but there's a lot more to testing and development when you have more than one target platform. Apple has the iPhone, and... the iPhone. MS needs to work to ensure that the user experience is consistent and reliable on a variety of platforms and configurations that at the end of the day they just don't have complete control over. A much more difficult task.

Seems like people believe they've been short changed before they even hand their money over to buy the product. Development of new software/hardware/anything doesn't just happen. It takes time; but it happens that MS has set a trend of trying to short sell itself for time to the public.
by jessiethe3rd September 26, 2008 8:28 AM PDT
hehehe.... I feel exactly the same way... with the same level of sarcasm. All the excitement that buzzes around when Google releases and Apple releases.... I still don't have good seemless syching with either of these products when it comes to Exchange. I still don't have as many applications available to me. While the iPhone is utterly cool and is somewhat of a socially acceptable device - what are the huge benefits over my existing Touch Diamond? Nothing worth moving off to. I do music, I do subscription with Zune, I answer email, I text, I check maps.... that's about it.
by onlyauser September 23, 2008 7:20 AM PDT
BIG surprise! This is simply the way Redmond does business. Rush it out LATE then patch the damn thing to death.
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by Mister Winky September 23, 2008 10:22 AM PDT
You have no clue what you're talking about. How many patches have come out for Windows Mobile 6 and 6.1? None that I'm aware of. Go back to your cave.

-Mister Winky
by aka_tripleB September 23, 2008 3:54 PM PDT
You spell Cupertino, C-U-P-E-R-T-I-N-O. However, I don't think they typically rush their products out late or otherwise, because they won't give a date until they finish the product. But then that contradict the fact that there's been three patches in less than three months.
by BNUX September 23, 2008 7:26 AM PDT
I am suspect to talk about Windows Mobile OS. I used from Windows 2003 Sp1 Sp2 until Windows Mobile 6. And the evolution was pour, so was the performance and lots of bugs always. My opinion is when you have a WM OS you almost have to live to them, else your device gets slow and slow by time. They just did not try to get better. But them happen iPhone and now Android. MicroSoft begins to see is untouched status been target. I say is was already time.

Personally, and this is just an opinion. I do not believe Microsoft can do it well anymore. They are to much arrogant... Se the campaign "I am a PC"... They saying that if you are a PC you are Windows. What about other Operating Systems like Linux? What about choice to not pay Windows when you buy a PC?

But if I am wrong, and they change and they make a better product, in the end all we gonna win, I believe that!!! I do not wish them to disappear, just wish there are a better distribution of things, for we all have more options, with better products and for the majority stop been so short seeing.
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by SPasse September 23, 2008 7:50 AM PDT
I think that Microsoft should be prohibited by the FTC from selling a mobile phone OS.
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by Mister Winky September 23, 2008 10:22 AM PDT
On what basis?
by dude7895 September 23, 2008 12:45 PM PDT
I think that Crapple should be prohibited by the FTC from selling a mobile phone.
by tundraboy September 23, 2008 8:11 AM PDT
When you have a monopoly, you think people are buying your product because it's the best thing since sliced bread so you never develop the skills and know-how to make truly great products. Instead you develop very bad habits that would hurt you when you face real competition.

This is where Microsoft is. They really do not know how to compete when there's a level playing field. They do not know how to design a clean, user-friendly interface, they do not know how to write lean code, they do not know how to develop on schedule. Their only strategy for competing is "let's just throw enough money into it and eventually we'll get it right."

Microsoft needs to change the way they do things but that can only happen with a new CEO. Which means they will never change the way they do things.
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by jessiethe3rd September 26, 2008 8:35 AM PDT
Seriously... what the hell does monopoly have to do with the WM market? Microsoft doesn't have one in the Windows Mobile market... as a matter of fact they are 3rd or 4th... an area where they need to catch up at.

Do you understand the amount of products that Microsoft has? Can you comprehend there are 100,000 employees working on massive amounts of different projects? This is not a one track pony like, let's say, Google or Apple. Both these organizations are far smaller in comparison. When you have mission critical software that runs on almost all of the fortune 500 companies that's when you have real priorities.

I laugh at people who do not look at the complete picture... when they focus on one part and close their eyes to the rest of it. Google, Apple, IBM, Oracle, SAP, Adobe.... all of them have had delays. This is not something that's unique to Microsoft.

I'm so tired of the typical Microsoft bashers - get a new story or go and prop up your other product support somewhere else. Always contributing some garbage about Microsoft this and Microsoft that. Go and wave your positive flag on another topic that's got to do with your area of love and expertise.
by Cynomus January 14, 2009 2:40 PM PST
You speak like MS is 6 people working around a table, with only your wishes to be concerned about. Any enterprise class company is a composition of tens of thousands of people, and they fully consider their products, both their strengths and shortcomings. I guarantee you there is nothing on this blog that MS staff hasn't talked about or considered extensively, and many highly competent people have set a direction that is the best compromise, based on available options, objectives, and obsticles.

Do you really think you have some revealation about exactly what MS is doing wrong and that their primative concept of business operations/solutions could fix MS and the wold would be full of flowers? If so, apply for an upper management position, since you seem to know so well what would really work, that they haven't figured out yet after 25 years. Or better yet, leave the Windows helpdesk job you have and go write your own competing product suite, and show the world how much more genius you are than the 60K MS emloyees.... It's easy to complain, try to make a difference and then watch people critize YOUR every move. This attitude is so simple and disrespectful.

BAR NONE, every software development firm has either missed deadlines, written sloppy, inefficent code, or delivered sorely lacking software, because that's the nature of the business!! It's like an olympic race, whoever has the bst balance of these problems wins a round in the market place, but the race is perpetual, so after you win around you start again.

This is an extremely highly complex enigma, with continuously changing requirements, your overly simple assessment demonstrates how most people voice opinions as experts on topics, of which they scarcely understand the perimeter issues.

I too would like to have a perfect WM7 or WM8 exerience right this second, but that's not going to happen. MS has the most complex IT problems of any company on the planet, complexities too complex for most people to even comprehend how complex the cmpexities are...But they also offer one of the best operating systems available for a couple hundrerd bucks a copy. When you consider the diversity of underlying hardware, a plethora of advanced application features, divrsity of products, vendor integration and relations, security, government compliance, market placement(s), hackers, competition, legal protection, etc.... There is NO ONE out there doing as much as well as MS, period!!

I am not an MS employee, but I do work for a Fortune 500, and MS products have enabled me to support my family with a 6-figure job for years, and I'm grateful. I like, Linux and Solaris, and VMware, and the list goes on, but be careful about bashing one of the giants, that helps feed the American (and global) economy.

WM7 will come, I don't think they offered a released date, there is a risky line between letting the public know your roadmap plans and disappointing their anticipation, customer expectation management always has simultaneous success and collateral damage. Remember whenwe couldn't wait for Windows 95? well guess what? They released it! and so on....

Have patience, if you don't like what they release don't buy it, get what you like, and rest assured that others will do the same. If enough customers feel the same, the vendor's lost sales will gide them in turning the ship.
by kwhsy82 September 23, 2008 8:16 AM PDT
IPhone 2.1, Google Android -- besides usual software delays, they realized they would be shipping a non-competitive OS. Unlike the PC platform, there is competition. Of course, by next year, they will be facing IPhone 3.0 and Android 1.1....
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by kwhsy82 September 23, 2008 8:19 AM PDT
IPhone 2.1, Google Android -- besides usual software delays, they realized they would be shipping a non-competitive OS. Unlike the PC platform, there is competition. Of course, by next year, they will be facing IPhone 3.0 and Android 1.1....
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by reidme314 September 23, 2008 8:30 AM PDT
tundraboy, I couldn't agree more.

reddunefilms, You must work for MS, because I'm pretty sure there's no such thing as an MS fanboy.
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by globalist_agenda September 23, 2008 9:25 AM PDT
These PDA phones are too expensive for something that will be obsolete in a year. It makes consumers skip a generation or two before shelling out $500 or getting locked in to a 2 year contract. At least with a laptop or desktop you can upgrade the OS and get a couple of years useful life. Built-in PDA obsolence is anti-consumer.
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by robvme September 23, 2008 9:47 AM PDT
This article is skewed. No release date has ever been announced and Windows Mobile OS 6.1 was just released. There is more to this than just delays with code at MS. You have to get the OS on the phone and that happens at manufacture. Give me a break. It took Google a year to get a phone off the ground and the developer community there is still shaky at best. Apple had massive delays on iPhone and they are going thru a recall on AC Adapters now.

How much do you need in a phone anyway? Apple, Microsoft, Google, all are just trying to take our money for incremental upgrades that really don't warrant the added expense of the phone, operator charges, and other features.

Go to Japan, take a look at what they have. At least 10years ahead of everyone else. Give me some of that. The whole iPhone, SmartPhone, Android Phone, is all really boring.

Give me a phone that will work anywhere have unlimited internet and texting for $10/month. How about that? Allow me to check out at the cashier with my phone, use vending machines, maybe double as an electric shaver. When did it stop being cool that you could just make a call not connected to a telco line?
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by tyrone8323 September 24, 2008 6:22 AM PDT
Well said, robvme, well said. I wish more people on the interwebs would share our mentality.
by jessiethe3rd September 26, 2008 8:36 AM PDT
I'm on that train... the rest of the world is so far ahead of the US when it comes to trying and doing different things - we need to take more risks and try some new things. I am hoping MSFT may just do just that.
by ashwinkn September 28, 2008 11:12 AM PDT
Microsoft is not going to be the one to take risks. Google is the only one you can count on.
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