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January 22, 2009 12:16 PM PST

Why I can't get enough of Windows 7

by Don Reisinger
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Anyone who reads The Digital Home knows that I have issues with Windows Vista. I think it's a sub-par operating system with too many quirks and far too many flaws to make it worth using. I only use Vista when I have to.

So I entered into the world of Windows 7 with some trepidation. Would it be the bloated mess that Vista is? Or would it bring me back to the golden days of Windows and whisk me away from the clutches of Apple? I didn't know.

But after using the beta (a term I use lightly, since this so-called beta is better than anything Microsoft ever shipped as Vista "Gold"), I can say with the utmost certainty that Windows 7 isn't only the best operating system I've used in the past decade, it might be my favorite of all time. And as a person with four Macs staring me in the face as I write this, that's something I never thought I'd say.

But I should note that so far, all we've seen from Microsoft is this beta. The company has a proven track record of promising, and even offering, features in betas that never seem to make their way to the finished product. Yes, I'm looking at you, Vista.

Regardless, the Windows 7 beta provided me with an unparalleled experience. From install to surfing the Web, it's fantastic.

The install

The Windows 7 install provided the most surprising experience during my testing of the OS. Anyone who has ever installed a version of Windows knows that you normally need to set three hours aside to get it right. First, the install would take about 30 minutes to an hour, then you'd need to install all the software updates, and only then could you go out and start finding drivers so everything would work properly.

But installing Windows 7 is totally different. My install took about 30 minutes. Period. The drivers I needed installed were waiting for me and I wasn't required to download anything else.

It just worked.

The Windows 7 taskbar

As a Mac user, I've grown accustomed to the beauty of the Dock. It houses all my favorite apps, avoids clutter, and makes using the OS much easier than rummaging through menus to find an application, like I do in Vista.

But the Windows 7 taskbar takes that functionality to a whole new level. See, one of the major issues I always had with Windows was how difficult it made finding a specific window if many were open. With the help of the new Windows taskbar, that issue has been eliminated.

The new taskbar, much like Apple's Dock, includes all the applications, both open and closed, you have added to it. When you roll your mouse over an icon, thumbnails of every open instance of the application will be displayed. If you're unsure which window you want to open, you can hover your mouse over a specific thumbnail and it will be brought to the front in full size.

Though I enjoy using the Dock in Mac OS X, it doesn't compare on any level to the new Windows 7 taskbar. In Windows 7, I can find every instance of an app in a matter of seconds, thanks to outstanding usability and design. In Mac OS X, I'm required to right-click on the icon to find the window I want or resort to using Spaces. When going back to that after using Windows 7, I felt like something was missing. Something was: ease of use. Suffice it to say that Microsoft has totally changed the "Dock Game."

It's fast. Very fast.

Whenever you perform a clean install of an operating system, it's fast. Windows XP was snappy when I installed it on my machine and so was Vista. Mac OS X is still fast and responsive. But after using Windows 7 and comparing it to a clean install of Vista, I found it noticeably quicker.

Windows 7 and Windows Vista differ greatly in the amount of time they take to boot. Windows Vista generally takes too long, in my opinion. But Windows 7's boot time was significantly improved and matched the boot time on my Mac OS X 10.5 Leopard machine.

Beyond that, Windows 7 did everything else quicker than Vista. It opened applications faster and it shut down sooner. It loaded documents quickly and it took less time to open my music and listen to some tracks. Is the difference major? No. But it's noticeable. And that's all I ask for.

User Account Control is (almost) gone

When I used Windows Vista, one of my biggest complaints was the almost constant annoyance from Microsoft's attempt to hold my hand in making computing decisions: User Account Control. It was everywhere. "Do you really want to open this application?" "Do you really want to download this program?" "Do you really want to sit that way? It might hurt your back." It was extremely annoying.

But in Windows 7, the UAC has quietly stepped back into the shadows and I only saw it once or twice over the course of a week. I can live with that.

A shocker

After using Windows 7 beta since its release, I can say that I'm genuinely impressed. For the first time in well over a decade, I have the desire to own the latest and greatest operating system from Microsoft. There was a time when I thought I'd never say that again. But finally, that day is here.

That doesn't mean I don't have any reservations, though. Sure, these four features (and a slew of others I didn't mention) get me excited about Windows 7, but there are still some question marks that scare me about Microsoft's latest OS.

I'll detail those Friday on The Digital Home.

Check out Don's Digital Home podcast, Twitter feed, and FriendFeed.

Don Reisinger is a technology columnist who has written about everything from HDTVs to computers to Flowbee Haircut Systems. Don is a member of the CNET Blog Network, and posts at The Digital Home. He is not an employee of CNET. Disclosure.



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by cyberpyr8 January 22, 2009 1:17 PM PST
I agree with you completely. Windows 7 is very impressive, even for beta software. Microsoft has taken Vista and tweaked it to make it much faster. I couldn't believe how much faster copying files was than Vista. I think it is faster than XP in most cases. The taskbar takes some adjustment but once you realize how powerful it can be, you won't want to go back to the old style taskbar. If Microsoft doesn't release Windows 7 this year I would be completely surprised. In running it for a few weeks now on a daily basis I think it is very close to release.
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by openart2001 January 22, 2009 10:40 PM PST
I am only an occasional Windows user - am principally a Mac user. When I use Windows, I am hopelessly irritated by superfluous messages like "modem is already connected", "network is already active", and that sort of thing. When copying files or trashing files, I suffer uselessly watching (and wasting time in the process) the paper icon being continuously heaved to the trash until the process is over. All these inutile stuffs only serve to slow things down in Windows XP, the version that I use at the office. I hope that with Windows 7, all these "craps" are gone for good because it'll would make Windows faster and less irksome, if not super-fast. I haven't tried Vista or Windows 7 so I can't really tell if they are still there or not. If still there, someone better write to cranky Ballmer to straighten out his act instead of throwing chairs around at his office.
by Penguinisto January 23, 2009 6:45 AM PST
I doubt that Don gets a free Acer laptop - no chance of you getting one either, so you can quit trying, eh? ;)
by lil-yankee January 25, 2009 8:35 PM PST
I have windows 7 on my mac book pro and also installed it on my girlfriends mac book.
After switching to the mac due to vista's unprecedented blatancy, I coped myself to think that it will take Microsoft
bringing Jesus back to earth for me to even look at a window's environment again and heck (Jesus aint here, will he ever) but windows 7 is giving me so thoughts on them again. After hearing all the buzz (something like this post by Don Reisinger i decided to tryout my boot camp and also windows 7. The installer was very quick like Don mentioned although i originally though it was due to my macpro's 2.4ghz plus 2gigs of ram that were capable of that magnificent speed but after reading this i guess windows seven is just very fast, think a la mac. All the drivers where also there minus only my altech which i later got via my mac's osx disc for boot camp that includes all the drivers for the mac. I'm very happy so far with the new ideas being implement (and stolen) sneeze!!!!!(excuse me) by Microsoft in this new outing of their operating system. Although i would say this, i do run in to some unexplained crashes mostly with Firefox. I can be doing some random web browsing using Firefox and the computer will just crap out on me, simply freeze. That's the only thing that has bugged me about win 7, other than that, all peripherals are recognized the minute they are plugged and work just as advised. I guess i will have to hold my breath for snow kitty (snow leopard) to see how much better the mac can get if not, if not, lol, i will just dual boot like i do now. There is no going back to windows, although im not a hater and will say this (Microsoft has officially stepped in to the grounds of decent and perhaps fascinating operating systems right next to our champ OS X
by WMPhoton January 26, 2009 9:59 AM PST
My battery life on my Lenovo X61 went from 1.5 hours with Vista to more than 5 hours on Windows 7. This alone makes it completely worth the upgrade!
by TheAlpacaHerder January 22, 2009 1:18 PM PST
I wish I had hardware fast enough to cope with Windows 7 beta. Unfortunately I am not keen on sacrificing my MacBook.
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by ZetaZeta_ January 22, 2009 2:49 PM PST
I've got a 5 year old machine (1.9 gHz, 1 GB of ram, 128 MB GeForce FX 5700 LE for specsmongers) running 7 with Aero, and it's liquid. It's not hard to find hardware that can "cope" with it, let alone run it well, i my opinion.
by sting7k January 23, 2009 6:57 AM PST
I installed the beta on my 5.5 year old Dell Inpsiron 8500, it could not run Vista at all. Win7 is up and running great. And just like Don said, after the install it found ALL the drivers I needed without any prompting, I didn't even need my Dell CDs.

Specs -
Intel P4 2.4Ghz
1.5GB RAM (333Mhz)
64MB Nvidia graphics
40GB 5400rpm HDD (lol!)

Aero graphics work fine and it hasn't given me any errors yet. It runs nearly equal with my much newer Vostro 1400 (with Vista prem.).

The Vostro's specs -
Core 2 Duo 2.2Ghz (800Mhz FSB and 4MB cache)
3GB RAM (667Mhz)
128MB Nvidia graphics
250GB 7200rpm HDD
by leoncarpenter01 January 23, 2009 7:05 AM PST
I installed it on my MSI Wind netbook. Which can't handle many online videos marked as HD and is rockin 1gb of ram.

Windows 7 flies on this thing.

Microsoft may just win me back to the fold from the white walled aluminium house I've been in the past few years.
Except for the phone - yeah iPhone still beats the pants off of everything that windows mobile runs on...the palm pre however may change that. Though the Storm was supposed to change that and rather just failed horrribly.
I digress.
Windows 7 = beautiful.
by NY_Bry January 22, 2009 1:23 PM PST
Vista Ultimate is unbelievably fast on my XPS laptop that i purchased about 4 months ago - no complaints. But Vista Home Premium on my 2 year old desktop , however, is horrific. I stuck with it, through SP1 and SP2 (which cleaned up a lot) but based on what I'm reading from the good folks who are beta testing Windows 7, I am very anxious to replace the OS on both machines. Does anybody know about the prices?
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by realneil January 22, 2009 2:50 PM PST
Vista's not on SP2. It's on SP1 so far.
But SP1 fixed allot of the bugs in it.
by JonThomasDesigns January 23, 2009 5:22 AM PST
Actually it is on SP2 (Beta) i was using SP2 for months before going Win7 full time .. Vista SP2 was not buggy at all to me
by ckurowic January 23, 2009 8:59 AM PST
@locomike: Uh yes Apple would run things differently. It was founded on different principles like not churning out TOTAL GARBAGE AND SELLING IT AS AN OS!!!!!
by Mark_Anderson January 24, 2009 1:26 PM PST
Really ckurowic? You mustn't remember System 7 then.
by i8246i January 25, 2009 5:54 AM PST
Hey hey now! I dislike Apple too, but System 7 wasn't bad. And it definitely wasn't bad enough to be placed in the same category as Vista, WindowsMe, or any other Microsoft flop.

In any case, I don't see how Windows 7 is any better than XP. In fact, I find XP more reliable and compatible with my hardware and internet surfing habits than this beta.
by Mark_Anderson January 25, 2009 12:16 PM PST
OK, Me I'll give you but Vista? Nah.
by hafenbrack January 26, 2009 6:08 AM PST
The machine I installed Win 7 on would take nearly 5 minutes to boot into XP. Now with Win 7 it takes < 1 minute. I am looking forard to the the Final release of Win 7 to use on all my machines.
by applehazelnut January 22, 2009 1:23 PM PST
If you like Windows 7, you should try Kubuntu with the KDE 4. It looks EXACTLY like Windows 7 except Windows programs don't run on it. :) And it came out like 6 months ago so it's not like Windows 7 is all that special. But programs actually run on Windows 7 though. But that's cuz of Microsoft's monopoly not because Windows 7 is all that special with any new improvements on the user interface.

I'm just saying Windows 7 is just copying the KDE4 environment because no one is going to sue Microsoft for doing so.
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by dtpape January 22, 2009 1:46 PM PST
Yea, an operating system that wont run any programs sounds great! Where do I sign up?
by BNAMack January 22, 2009 1:50 PM PST
I like Kubuntu w/ KDE4 - have it on dual boot on my mid/road 2.2 ghz athlon 64x2 w/ 2GB ram and it runs beautifully -- mostly. I've also given it to a friend who FUBAR'd XP and didn't have her system disk. While she is very excited about linux (new user) and is willing to stick with it, as her support desk I'm beginning to get frustrated. One basic example (of many): I had to take her through command line trickery just to get all users access to her dial-up winmodem. When supporting a basic user, Kubuntu (*ubuntu, etc) still offer too many challenges for me to begin recommending it to all of my clients. I don't think I paid attention to how many times I was out on the forums looking for simple solutions until I had to support someone else's linux desktop. I've offered the gnome version to her to simplify some issues, but after seeing KDE4 she thinks the gnome interface is "ugly - like its made of bricks" -- sigh

(back on topic) My experience w/ Win7 has been everything I've hoped for. I will not repeat what the article author wrote, but can confirm! Win7 is very exciting and I hope MS continues this trend. I would love to keep recommending the OS that runs on hardware most people can still afford.
by ImIkeTheEighth January 22, 2009 2:40 PM PST
Ah BNAMack, there is nothing like eyecandy to wet the appetite, is there? I do however you got her access to her dial up winmodem. I am sure it was a modem but not a winmodem as that will not run on anything other than a win, hence the name winmodem. Or does win stand for what winners we all are when using winmodem. But, really, dial-up speed?

Dear dtpape,
Really, Linux won't run 'any' programs? Seriously, it won't run 'any' program? I can tell you have a great deal of experience using Linux. But I must correct you, signing up will not be necessary. You must be thinking of that other operating system that requires signing up, activation, signing over your sole, etc. But, really, seriously, Linux won't run 'any' programs?
by locomike09 January 22, 2009 2:43 PM PST
Why is it that every thread I read in regards to Microsoft always is hijacked by theses
linux and mac trolls? Yes Microsoft has it's problems, and yes it is an monopoly. Do you really think that Apple if given the chance would be any different? I have been running Windows 7 for about a week now, and I think that it is superb, give credit where it is due, too much to ask?
by tm_anon January 22, 2009 2:50 PM PST
@dtpape

You may want to read the comment and know exactly what it says before posting. He said, and I quote "Windows programs don't run on it." Notice what kind of programs don't run on it? Windows programs are not the only programs around. Try running a Windows program, built for Windows, on a Mac without setting up a virtual machine, in the Mac OS. Do you really think they'll work? What was left out is the part about running WINE or running a virtual machine for any "essential" Windows programs. Many programs will run with WINE as a native Linux program would. Others can be ran through a VM with no problems. Some Linux users have found that a program run through a VM on a Linux distro actually runs faster than the same program run in a Native Windows Environment. Maybe you should go back to school, looks like you didn't learn anything yet.
by ImIkeTheEighth January 22, 2009 2:56 PM PST
Dear locomike09,
Better a Linux or Mac troll than a Microsoft lemming.
by starvedstraycat January 22, 2009 2:59 PM PST
Comments like this make me think either the author is TUI (typing under the influence) or never actually used Win7. I fell for one of those comments and decided to install Ubuntu. The standard UI reminds of el-cheapo ipod knock offs you can find on ebay. I don't know if it's only the fonts or the clincky menus... maybe both. Then I installed KDE4 and I was presented with nothing more than a chubby taskbar with big icons. No application management under every icon, no preview for every single tab open in IE (not sure if it works wth alternative browsers), inability to pin the application and oh, did I mention it doesn't look nearly as good? And yes, I tried different themes.
Back to gnome, I installed Avant Window Navigator. While it looked better than the KDE4 taskbar, it has even less functionality.
So please FOSS and GNU/Linux fanboys, before saying nonsense, at least try to see what the competition is offering before bashing it and making wild recomendations. Regardless of any other attributes, visually Linux (any distro) sucks and as the old adage says, There is no second chance for first impressions.

PS: I am under a lof of stress and tons of coffee today so apologies if it sounded like a personal attack... it's not
by SF_Sys_Admin January 22, 2009 5:08 PM PST
Why oh why are the Linux fanboys always saying this ridiculous stuff? I've worked in IT for years. I am a senior systems administrator for a consulting company in a major city.

Linux is ONLY cheaper than windows if your time is free. Just because you get the OS for "free" doesn't mean it has no "cost." There is a reason Microsoft is on top... They make BETTER products. The desktop OS can be debated. The server OS cannot. Can you imagine ripping out all your AD servers and replacing them with NIS? Can you imagine a company asking for new employees to have experience with Linux desktop? These things all have COSTS.

Microsoft is the industry leader in support as well. Those of you that have actually called Microsoft Product Support know what I'm talking about. There are a number of articles I've found comparing 0-day vulnerability response and Microsoft does not do worse than Linux or Apple.

Linux nuts may enjoy spending 5 hours trying to figure out how to compile a driver for the video capture card the bought. The time you loose fixing linux is the real price of a "free" OS.

Personally, I'm a gamer. Microsoft is destroys the other Operating Systems in this regard. My Geforce 8800 GTX is not going to work in Linux. Neither is my copy of Battlefield 2142......

So next time i feel like making a shell script to parse the output of (insert something inane here) or crack my neighbors WEB key, I'll go ahead and fire up my Linux box. But the rest of the time I'll be using my copy of a windows OS.....
by BNAMack January 22, 2009 6:04 PM PST
dear ImIke TheEighth - no, it IS a winmodem. Conexant type. software does all the parsing - please see linuxant.com or any linux forum if you have no idea what I am talking about. As for the dialup - there are lots of folks still using it by choice or because they have no other option. My friend lives in a rural Tennessee county and has no access to broadband.

I apologize for the linux highjacking of this thread - but had to answer the KDE4 over-enthusiasm. It's great, but no replacement for main stream OS's quite yet.
by pithenumber January 23, 2009 11:44 AM PST
@SF
Why do people use Linux on servers then
even Apple runs Linux on many of their non-US servers
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by TrakerJon January 22, 2009 1:26 PM PST
Well, I'm not sure what you downloaded Don, are you sure it was Windows 7 and not Ubuntu 8.10? Windows 7 is nothing more than Vista SP2 with a couple of GUI changes that look a lot like offerings from Linux distros. Windows 7 is a huge install requiring 16Gb and I'm sorry Don but maybe you should curb your enthusiasm until you actually tried the latest release of Ubuntu...fully loaded with all the bells and whistles coming in at 4Gb hard drive space, better security, remarkable connectivity and start-up speeds and all the apps you could ever want for free.
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by weedmonk January 22, 2009 1:37 PM PST
When will FOSS advocates learn you can't shove Linux down consumers throats with the zeal of Bolshevism. People have a choice and the verdict is that they'd rather pirate a 8yr old OS than deal with Linux distro's.
by rexworld January 22, 2009 2:16 PM PST
Boy I don't know which Windows 7 installation options you picked but mine is nowhere near 16 GB. It's not svelte I'll grant you, but it's maybe half what you claim. Don't get me wrong, there are things to criticize about Windows 7. But you should get your facts right if you're going to criticize it.
by franglais--2008 January 22, 2009 2:37 PM PST
I think you meant "1.6Gb" and not 16Gb. Because that's the disk space my beta of 7 takes up. 1.6Gb, as in "one point six."
by tm_anon January 22, 2009 2:55 PM PST
I'm still wondering why it took you 4 gigs for an installation of Ubuntu. How many bells and whistles did you install there? I have Compiz-Fusion, upgraded OpenOffice suite, AWN and a few other programs, not to mention the Compiz Manager to allow me to use the cube and I'm nowhere near 4gigs. I'm still closer to 1.6, but of course that includes a fairly large number of programs I wanted, but didn't need.
by sting7k January 23, 2009 7:03 AM PST
16GB? Are you insane? Mine took up 1.6GB, the download isn't even 16GB, that would take up most of my comcast download limits.

Win7 is not just Vista SP2, Vista doesn't even run on my old computer and Win7 runs just fine (potentially better than XP).
by AppleSuxLeo January 22, 2009 1:27 PM PST
Even Walt GoatBeard of the WSJ likes it. And David Pogue live on CNBC liked it too !
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by ckurowic January 23, 2009 8:58 AM PST
Uh, I got a reply back from David Pogue via e-mail, you troll. He agreed Windows 7 looks very cheap. Good job trying to make people think he liked it. Oh, creative name by the way. Friggin' troll, get a life.
by SBallmer01 January 22, 2009 1:29 PM PST
Ever tried Linux, Don? Lean, responsive. secure, FREE. Assure us in writing that you are not accepting cash or gifts of any kind from M$ or their reps. You love Win7? Try Linux and tell us if you're happy with what you can get completely free of charge.
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by 1fever January 22, 2009 2:15 PM PST
Jeez...The crazies have come out. Why does everyone who likes something a major corporation comes out with we are all accepting money for it? I love Reese's to almost insanity, drive a Chevy, buy a Sony TV and I don't accept money for any of it. Good Lord. Windows 7 is amazing.
by tm_anon January 22, 2009 3:06 PM PST
@1fever

If you actually read the article, you'd notice how incredibly biased it was, all while assuring us he's a Mac lover. If you're a Mac lover, why would you say something like "would it bring me back to the golden days of Windows and whisk me away from the clutches of Apple?"

Notice that's an exact quote from the article, not taken out of context. I drive an Oldsmobile because it was cheap and it runs well and more smoothly than many newer cars I've ridden in. I use Ubuntu because it works better than XP on the same machine, more smoothly with more perks than Windows ever gave me and, in fact, it runs better than Vista on a system with 4x the RAM.

I watch a television I bought 8 years ago because it has good color and good sound, upgraded with a converter box to give me clear picture. I'm not crazy, I'm smart. Why buy something just because it's newer? New does not equal upgrade.

I won't say he shouldn't like Windows 7 because I didn't try it. I will say that he should give ubuntu a shot and be honest about it. The native capabilities are already more impressive than Windows and I haven't seen the UAC in close to a week. In other words, Windows is finally catching up to Linux abilities from several years back. We're already lightyears ahead.
by benjwah January 22, 2009 4:27 PM PST
tm_anon You reckon Linux is light years ahead, yet you seem to pride yourself on using things that are old and outdated. Just sayin'.
And as someone who uses Ubuntu & Windows 7, let me say that Windows 7 poops all over Ubuntu for the same reason XP poops all over Ubuntu: Applications that people want to use run on it.
Have you ever noticed that GIMP, Evolution, Open Office and every other piece of OSS software is available free of charge on Windows, and people still choose to pay for the alternatives?
When you can't give away a version of a product that your competitor sells for hundreds of dollars, it means you suck.
by SF_Sys_Admin January 23, 2009 1:31 PM PST
@SBallmer01

"completely free of charge" ha ha ha ha. Again, only if your time is "free." See my posts above.

Linux is NOT a good desktop OS for the average user. Show us how easy and better Linux is. Convince 5 computer UN-saavy people - Maybe your Mom, Grandma, Grandpa, Crazy aunt, etc. Then offer to be their support. Let me know how well you like Linux after that.....
by it_geek January 27, 2009 7:25 AM PST
Do Linux junkies spend their days trolling windows threads to they can spew their detritus? If you hate windows so much why do you spend so much time talking about it.
by AppleSuxLeo January 22, 2009 1:31 PM PST
Hey , for the record , I typed from my "mini-Linux" my ASUS MOBO came with...and it booted in 4 seconds !
Though I usually use Win XP for gaming , etc. Express Gate is great for Web , Chat , email , Skype and more. And is safer than OSX because it can`t be written too. Thanks , ASUS !
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by AppleSuxLeo January 22, 2009 1:32 PM PST
And that lil Tux the penguin is so cute !
by spectator1 January 22, 2009 1:32 PM PST
I agree years ago we all adopted a standard years ago it was called Microsoft Windows.

Right now everyone is talking about Google has this browser, Apple has that browser etc. Now everyone is becoming independent again and moving away from the standard. The standard soon became Anti-trust in the tech world because of whatever the reason IE bundles, money, hate, etc. As we all move forward we remain independent after the Anti-trust rather than collaborate with retrospect to this thread makes references the independent error. All the big players ganged up on Microsoft and cried Anti-trust now there is no standard and we have different browsers, different Operating Systems, etc.

Its has always been like that on the main frame side now the desktop and laptop having the power of the main frames of yester year we are beginning to see the software catch up to the power house laptop and desktop, that?s it.

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by weedmonk January 22, 2009 1:35 PM PST
Well Don....Don't expect Leo to invite you back to TWiT anytime soon. ;)

On a serious note, I too have been pleasantly surprised at how great the Win7 Beta is running. I've installed it on most of systems ranging for 3yr old Compaq, to my production Mac Pro/XPS 720 and my Eee Netbook. Needless to say, I've found myself logging into OSX and Vista very rarely now.

I'm looking forward to the Release Candidate and upgrade path because I doubt I'll be moving back to Vista.
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by jowewo January 22, 2009 1:37 PM PST
I agree - I don't agree - I agree - I don't agree...

If the install of MS - future - OS was fairly easy, the performance and compatibility did not boggle my mind on either machine I tested it on (Dell, HP and Parallels Desktop 4 on MacBook).

As for the features, they seem to have been imported then translated from the Mac world.

Again, Microsoft has a painful track record of announcing, showing off, then withdrawing some of the key features and functionalities they announced. How about we wait before we name an article "Why I can't get enough of Windows 7" and see what the REAL OS will look like?

We may be surprisingly pleased... or not... Remember Vista?
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by rapier1 January 22, 2009 7:54 PM PST
Somethign to keep in mind is that with the Vista betas (which were private) the features like WinFS were never actually part of the betas. It just never made it that far. Since MS is doign a public beta you can be pretty sure that what you see now is, at the least, what you are goign to get in the gold version.
by mmagliaro January 22, 2009 1:43 PM PST
This article makes me laugh. Read it thoroughly. What it really says is:
1. Windows 7 isn't the piece of crap that Windows Vista is.
( Well, there's a shock. It's better than a poke in the eye, too. But so what?)

2. It is about on par with Mac OS/X in some key user interface areas.
(Well, bully for you, Microsoft. You have finally, in a BETA, and years behind, gotten something that
competes with OS/X in some ways. Bravo. And by the time Windows 7 really comes out,
where will OS/X be?)

Excuse me while I go back to my poor, tired, old, BUT PERFECTLY FUNCTIONAL, Windows XP
machine.
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by anesthesia84 January 22, 2009 2:21 PM PST
I agree totally. I am a new mac user but pretty proficient in computer stuff in general and from the last month of using a macbook all I can say is that I have absolutely no complaints. Not one. In regards to this article, I highly doubt that Windows 7 boot time and shut downs speeds are comparable to OSX. Furthermore, even if all the hype is true, all Microsoft has done is succeed in getting to where Apple was at least a year ago.
by rapier1 January 22, 2009 7:56 PM PST
XP is great for some things. Its got an ancient and decrepit network stack though. Every other major OS (including Vista, OS X, Linux (since 2.4.19) and most ofthe *BSDs) have much more advanced and faster stacks. Maybe networking doesn't matter a lot to you but it matters very much to others.
by BigGuns149 January 22, 2009 9:49 PM PST
Add to the fact that Windows XP has an install system that feels like something you would have seen 10 years ago (eg. during installation XP needs a floppy drive to install drivers unless you roll your own custom install image?) and while I am not a fanatic of Vista I have to admit that there are a lot of weaknesses to using XP. On a lot of machines XP has virtually *no* drivers for your hardware after installation unless you created a custom install disc. Windows 7 on the other hand does a remarkably good job of automatically installing full featured drivers using the standard install disc. Even Vista leaves me with less work setting up a machine.
by Renegade Knight January 23, 2009 12:08 PM PST
Not quite.

You summed it up well with #1. However he has said that it does surpass OS X. I use Vista and OS X (ironicly Vista runs like it should on the MacBook...) and they are about the same. Both have annoying things, both do some things well, and both seem to do everthing differently.
by dragonwithaheadache January 22, 2009 1:43 PM PST
Once again the Linux fanatics are stating their opinion as fact. Fact as not every one likes Linux. Fact is the author of this blog is not the only one to praise Windows 7. I really wonder how much IT experience most people have here. Linux, Windows, and OS X all have they pros and cons and will never please anyone. Fact is Windows still holds the lead in Operating Systems with the consumer and the enterprise desktop. Linux aka Apache holds a slight lead in web servers where Unix and Windows compete equally for Enterprise servers. Fact say a lot spouting and talking without facts shows ignorance
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by ImIkeTheEighth January 22, 2009 2:26 PM PST
Fact is not everyone hates Windows. Fact is at least one person here has much IT experience. Fact is at least one of the above mentioned operating systems will please at least one. Fact is many years ago I had a dos game in which my job was to keep lemmings from walking off a cliff. Fast forward to present day, my job is still to keep lemmings from walking off a cliff. Fact you say a lot of spouting, and talking with wrong facts shows ignorance. Ta Ta.
by czartangus January 22, 2009 1:48 PM PST
Are you kidding me! I would have to agree with TrakerJon. Window 7 is no better than Vista. On top of that you said you would choose Windows 7 over your OS X. Did you get paid off to write a good review? This is a lousy review as you only touched on boot time, UAC and the taskbar. stick to HDTVs...
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by BigGuns149 January 22, 2009 9:53 PM PST
I don't claim that this article is a comprehensive review, but I don't think anyone going to CNET expects one (this is CNET not Winsupersite or ArsTechnica after all), but I have to differ with you that Windows 7 is no better than Vista. I have tested Windows 7 on the exact same hardware as Vista and the performance is better almost across the board. Furthermore, there are good UI improvements that go beyond simply the taskbar. I don't think there is anything in Windows 7 that demands one that already has Vista to upgrade, but I do think it is a far more polished OS than Vista in some respects even in beta.
by ww6y January 22, 2009 2:02 PM PST
Hello Don and thank you for your report. However, how much where you able to put in the bank from this? Most comparisons where against Vista. Well, Vista is as bad as Windows ME. As it was mentioned before, try Kubuntu and you will see where windows 7 was copied from.

Thank you.
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by halabura January 22, 2009 2:03 PM PST
Who writes your column...Microsoft?
Sounds like a hack job to me.
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by MarkyGoldstein January 22, 2009 2:06 PM PST
The cool thing with Windows 7 is that you still have to defragment your harddisk, buy extra anti-virus software, deal with problems in your registry, etc. All in all the GUI is a little bit improved but the underlying OS is still quite old. Microsoft gets squeezed by Linux, Mac, Google, ...
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by weedmonk January 22, 2009 2:31 PM PST
By squeezed do you mean having an 90% marketshare? Or people still preferring their 8yr old OS to OSX and Linux distro's.

Linux Mac and Google are farts in the wind on the Desktop. MS only competition comes from their own previous version.
by tm_anon January 22, 2009 3:24 PM PST
@weedmonk

Check the math again, MS was down to 80% last I checked. People are waking up and realizing there are options, better options, available.
by rapier1 January 22, 2009 7:57 PM PST
88% not 80%.
by BigGuns149 January 22, 2009 10:00 PM PST
I've ran Windows without AV software for years without issue. Furthermore, degragmenting has dramatically declined in importance ever since Windows moved to NTFS. Fragmentation isn't nearly as much of an issue as it was under FAT16/32 10 years ago. Furthermore, defragmentation may become completely obsolete with the rise of SSDs. With random seeks being dramatic faster defragmentation will have no measurable benefit in many cases.

As for the age of the underlying OS I don't think anyone seriously cares. The underlying OS in Linux and BSD is ancient as well, but I don't see anyone caring about the age there either. The only question is do the applications I want exist and is the OS reliable. If it meets both requirements I think most people couldn't care about anything else.
by homercles82 January 26, 2009 9:36 AM PST
Windows 7 will have the greatest support od SSD when it arrives. Microsoft has said this is their goal. SSD requires no defragmentation and besides they have done away with Defragging in Windows 7. They rebuilt the system that handles file placement.

I have run XP with SP2 with no issues. I move between IE7 and Firefox, run AVG sometimes and never run into virus, spyware or malware issues.

When you have the largest share of any market you are bound to have more issues. Why write a program that only has the opportunity to affect around 10% of the total computer user base? There is no reason.

You Mac guys saying he is a M$ schill need to chill out. Your hipster latte sipping statements are getting old.
by ImIkeTheEighth January 22, 2009 2:15 PM PST
Dear Spectator,
I too lament the fractured nature of operating Systems. Why, oh why, can we not all have the defacto standard that "Microsoft Windows became years ago"? Why do we need innovation to drive the operating systems market? Why must we have choice? If only we could have those spunky grey look alike uniform our Chinese brethren used to wear. But still I must chide you dear 'Spectator'. You seem to have lost your way. As you correctly point out "Microsoft Windows became the standard", yet you seem to want the latest version of this operating system, when you should be content with Windows 3.1. You must exercise more caution in the future lest we think you are one of the haters.
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by Cryoruggie January 22, 2009 4:07 PM PST
Actually competition is good. MSDOS was incredibly bad until DR-DOS showed up.
Excel was horrible till Quarto Pro showed up. Word Perfect is still better than Word...
by adamzpocketnow January 22, 2009 2:16 PM PST
If you're that impressed, wait until you install it on a multi-touch enabled Tablet PC!! You can use inertial flick scrolling in anything that's scrollable. Flick your finger to the side in IE 8 and the page slides over to reveal the page you were on before. Open Media Center, drag your finger up and down to slide through the menus. It's EXTREMELY COOL! Then you got the new handwriting recognition system which is extraordinarily easy to use. Hit the start menu with the pen, then start writing the name of the program. It searches as soon as the handwriting is recognized (instantly).

I could never use Linux as long as it doesn't run the Adobe Creative Suite, Corel Painter, and Microsoft Office... at least not for work related things. The Mac OS X user interface hasn't changed much since the pre-release beta came out 8 years ago. I've been using it since then and every release has been mainly bug fixes. At least they finally got file sharing working kind of.

Anyway, I'm also very excited about Windows 7. For those who think it's a service pack, try it on a Dell XT Tablet PC with a multi-touch dual mode digitizer screen.
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by _noise_ January 22, 2009 5:13 PM PST
"The Mac OS X user interface hasn't changed much since the pre-release beta came out 8 years ago. I've been using it since then and every release has been mainly bug fixes."

LOL? I guess that happens if you're still using 10.0?
by adamzpocketnow January 22, 2009 6:26 PM PST
Well, degrees of transparency changed, some window colors changed, and they fixed the idiotic centered Apple menu. 10.5 is the first version that you don't have to look at the about menu to see what it is.

The point is, Windows 7 is substantially different and genuinely worthy of excitement, especially if you're a Tablet/Netbook user or will be in the future.
by b_baggins January 23, 2009 9:10 AM PST
It's interesting to see that the big excitement about Windows 7 basically boils down to dock & expose functionality added to the taskbar.

I've played with Windows 7, and the taskbar is a nice improvement. The control panel on the other hand is an abomination.

Oh, and just FYI, the centered apple was dropped in the final release of 10.0.
by ImIkeTheEighth January 22, 2009 2:18 PM PST
I heard Microsoft is laying workers off. Will Don Reisinger's job be in jeopardy?
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by indo_beau January 22, 2009 8:43 PM PST
LOL! I always start to regret reading all the way to the bottom of these Windows, Mac, Linux battles but now I'm glad I did just for the comic relief.

But I don't think his job will be in jeopardy now that he has fulfilled his part of the bargain.
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