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March 31, 2009 8:00 AM PDT

Wales giving up on Wikia Search

by Rafe Needleman
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Wikia is announcing on Tuesday that it is closing the Wikia Search product. The service was intended to be a user-generated search engine, through which users could influence the rankings of results for all other users.

The Wikia Search project is set to be shut down Tuesday.

(Credit: Screenshot by Rafe Needleman/CNET)

Jimmy Wales, founder of Wikia and driving force behind Wikia Search, fully expected the development of Wikia Search to be a "long-term project." The current economy, however, has forced him to "reassess everything," and "do what we need to do to get to profitabililty."

Wikia Search was not on the right trajectory. "This one is too far away," he said. "It was going to take at least a another year to two before it's usable by the public, and we can't afford that right now."

Even given a generous time frame for success, Wikia Search was not making its numbers. With only 10,000 unique users a month over the past six months, Wales said, it was hard to justify the resources being put into it. Two full-time employees will lose their jobs as the project is shuttered.

Wikia's other projects, Wales said, have 30 million unique users a month. Other projects, such as Wikia Answers, are growing very quickly.

Wales, who said "I'll return to this again when the economy is good," still believes that search needs to be open, in contrast to engines like Google's whose search algorithms and methods are kept proprietary, for the most part.

In November, Google launched SearchWiki, a feature that lets users prioritize, erase, supplement, and annotate search results. Google remembers the changes a user has made to search results via SearchWiki, so results for repeat searches will reveal the same customizations and notes.

Consolidating around strength
Coincidentally, while Wikia is exiting the search business to focus on user-generated reference works, Microsoft is leaving the reference business. Its venerable professionally created online (formerly CD-based) encyclopedia, Encarta, is running out of gas.

The company announced on Monday that it plans to close the service. Reacting to this news, Wales said it's "disappointing to see a center of knowledge going away." His company has been trying to contact Microsoft about making Encarta data available under a free license, he said, so some of it could be incorporated into Wikipedia.

Wales says Wikipedia could, theoretically, absorb all of Encarta. But due to the relatively small size of the reference, "the community probably wouldn't find it useful. However, the images might be useful," he said.

Previously:
Wikia launching human-powered search
Wikia Search launches the hackable search engine

October 20, 2008 11:30 AM PDT

Layoffs at Jimmy Wales' Wikia?

by Caroline McCarthy
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It's not surprising, considering that everybody else is doing it.

Valleywag reports that Wikia, the for-profit wiki software and search start-up created by Wikipedia founder Jimmy Wales, has laid off about a third of its 43-person workforce--or 12 to 13 employees.

A Wikia representative was not immediately available to confirm.

The company, formerly known as Wikicities, has big-name investor backing, but it doesn't appear to have pulled in any funding for nearly two years. It raised a Series B round of an undisclosed size from Amazon.com in December 2006; previously, the company had taken a $4 million Series A round and angel funding from Valley luminaries such as Marc Andreessen, Joi Ito, and Ron Conway, as well as venture firms Bessemer Venture Partners and the Omidyar Network.

Since then, Wikia has been working on an ambitious search project and has made acquisitions such as that of search tool Grub.

Originally posted at The Social
October 8, 2008 8:53 AM PDT

New Wikia interface enables search-results apps

by Stephen Shankland
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Wikia Search WISE

Wikia Search has opened an interface that lets others build miniature applications within search results.

(Credit: CNET News)

Wikia Search has released an interface called Wikia Intelligent Search Extensions (WISE) that lets sites build their search results into custom-made applications.

WISE launched Wednesday with a number of partners offering sample "WISEapps," including AccuWeather, Digg, and The Washington Post, which built an application that can show its news articles directly within search results.

The technology is similar to Yahoo's SearchMonkey.

Incorporating the collaborative Wiki philosophy, Wikia Search lets people edit search results, including the order in which results appear. Google has begun a much narrower experiment that lets people move, add, and remove search results, but Wikia co-founder and Chairman Jimmy Wales wants to offer more.

"While others have announced they're simply 'experimenting' with allowing user input on search results, the Wikia Search project continues to seek ways to provide unmatched levels of input from users," Wales said in a statement. "Today we've taken another significant step in that direction and firmly believe anyone who uses our search tool will find the results better for it."

Personally, Wikia Search hasn't changed my search habits, though I occasionally try it to see what comes up. I tried a sample WISEapp module with mixed results: a Wikia search for "buffalo weather" successfully returned the AccuWeather forecast application--but for Buffalo, Iowa, which probably isn't the first city named Buffalo on most people's search priorities. Also, retrieving search results was fairly pokey, and Google has shown that snappy results are an essential part of the user experience.

August 6, 2008 12:37 PM PDT

Wikia Search launches parasitic search bar

by Rafe Needleman
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You can now get a browser search bar for the open-source Wikia Search engine: Wikia Evolution. A search bar is pretty much a requirement to put an engine in front of users' faces, so this is an expected move by the Wikia Search project. But Wikia Evolution moves the concept into new territory.

See previous review: Wikia Search launches the hackable search engine.

Via the Evolution toolbar, Wikia adds a feature to Google and Yahoo searches: It displays rating stars and an "add" button after each result. Clicking on these links adds info into the Wikia Search index, to refine its searches when you use that engine.

Rating Google results for Wikia Search.

It smells. Wikia's Jimmy Wales makes a big deal about how his rating system and open engine are superior to closed systems like Google. Yet this tool asks users to rate Google's own results in order to improve Wikia's. It works, and it's a very clever way to build on the work of others, but it essentially appropriates Google's crawler results for another engine.

I admit this argument would hold more weight if Google and Yahoo allowed users to rate search results. But I believe that eventually they will (beyond current limited experiments), and then we'll have another problem: feedback confusion. How will users determine which service they are rating a result for when they decide to provide feedback?

Mashing sites and content together is the grist for a lot of Web innovation. But taking results from one service and building a direct competitor out of them is not quite kosher, in my book.

Another example of this is Twinkle, which is building its own social network, in part on Twitter; if you to use the Twinkle iPhone app as a Twitter client, you must also get a Twinkle account. And as much as I like it, I feel FriendFeed also skims the cream off the top of the networks that feed it (again, Twitter, but also blogs).

As in evolution, parasites can, over time, strengthen their hosts--or lead to very interesting and robust cooperatives. But they do run the risk of being squashed before they do very much.

(By the way, Wikia Search is really improving. I'm not using the Evolution toolbar, but I have added Wikia Search as an option to my Firefox drop-down list of search boxes. I like it.)

July 11, 2008 4:32 PM PDT

Scour pays you to search, improve results

by Josh Lowensohn
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Scour is a search tool that blends results from Google, Yahoo, and MSN together in one stream. You can hot-swap between the three, or break out any single result into another search. If you come across a bad result, or one you think should go above the others, you can also vote it up (or down) or leave a comment--something similar to what Wikia did with its hackable search engine.

On top of the basic layer of search interaction there's also a paying element to the site. Every query you make has a certain point value, with interactions like commenting and voting giving you more points. Once you reach a certain point limit you can then convert points you have into a cash gift card. There's also a referral program where you get a small percentage of the points from the searches your friends do.

I've embedded a demo video below. You can also give it spin here.

June 3, 2008 6:00 AM PDT

Wikia Search launches the hackable search engine

by Rafe Needleman
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This morning, Wikia is rolling out cool features on the controversial Wikia Search engine (previous review).

Starting today, if you do a search on the engine and don't like the results, you'll be able to change them. Your changes will apply not just for yourself, but rather for everybody.

The engine will launch with a smallish subset of machine-indexed pages, about 30 million, which will form the baseline that Wikia Search will let users go to town on. It's "hardly a full crawl" of the Web, admits Wikia (and Wikipedia) co-founder Jimmy Wales, but it's a start.

The editing you can do on Wikia Search is extensive. If you think a result on a search result page is too low or too high in the listings, you can influence its position by rating it. You can delete entries entirely or hand-write new ones. You can also rewrite the text of a search result, including adding code to the result (to insert, perhaps, a site-specific search, like Google's search-within-search).

Ah, that's better. I voted Webware to the top of the results for the query, "Webware." I'm about to do the same for "Web 2.0." Is this kosher? Take the poll at the end of this post.

For people accustomed to the cold (if hidden) logic of purely algorithmic search, these are scary options. It means that your search results are, in part, up to the whims of capricious or crazy humans, or perhaps people trying to game the system to promote some sites while burying competitors.

If you're lucky, though, your search result may be positively influenced by topic experts, your friends, or just other generally well-meaning people. And that's the hope. For the most part, this philosophy works for wikis. Wales obviously thinks it will work for search as well.

I hope it does. I like the idea of an open and transparent search engine. But I'm skeptical, for the sole reason that there's more at stake in search then there is on most wikis. How sites place on search engines has a material impact on how much money they make, so the more successful this engine is, the more people there will be trying to game this system.

To counter this, Wikia Search changes are all done all wiki-style. They're transparent, and they can be reverted by users. Hopefully that will offset the gaming of the system.

One variable that won't influence Wikia Search results: your social network. If your friends rate certain sites higher than the population at large, that fact won't be reflected in the results you get.

Wales said to me, regarding the concept of sorting results individually based on their social network (see Delver), "I'm not convinced that it will be all that useful," but it could be a "piece of data we would use" in the future.

That's probably just as well; the concept of search results directly changeable by users will be weird enough for users to get a handle on.

Wales put a video demo together for Wikia Search. Click to view.

See also: Anoox.

January 7, 2008 12:01 AM PST

Wikia launching human-powered search

by Rafe Needleman
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Today, Wikia is planning to launch Wikia Search, a very early-stage version of its open search engine. Wikia (and Wikipedia) co-founder Jimmy Wales believes that it's necessary for the public to take control of search, which he sees as a shared need and thus a shared resource.

The site that's launching today is for users who want to "help us build a search engine," Wales said. So don't expect a Wikia-powered Google killer on Day One. "We want to be sure people aren't expecting a Google-quality experience on Monday."

Here's what Wikia is building: a human-ranked search engine and mini-Wiki, with a social network angle. The first two parts are the most interesting.

Not a black box.

Wales says that initially the engine will crawl and index the Web, and give users algorithmically generated results. But users will be able to rank results up or down, which will have a strong influence on further results. This extra, intentional step of rating results will, I am sure, help little-known but high-quality pages rise in the rankings, and encourage link-farmed search spam to sink. Assuming, that is, that users take the time to rate, and that suitable antigaming technologies are put in place.

I tried a preview of the alpha on Saturday and couldn't see how users rate results. Hopefully the rating function will be added before launch.

Google, by the way, also applies human intelligence to its search results; see the Q&A with Google's Peter Norvig in MIT's Technology Review.

Wikia Search: Where users help guide other users.

Users will be able to contribute mini-articles that live at the top of search pages (much like Ask's search toppers, I imagine). As on any Wiki, people will be able to edit and comment on the articles. This could become the best feature of the Wikia Search experience. These little guides dropped into search results pages by fellow surfers remind me of the hobo code marks: helpful advice left by other travelers who've been before where you are going now.

Wikia Search will have another social angle. Users will be able to find other contributors to work on the search engine with them, behind the scenes from the masses who just want results. It appears that Wikia Search users will also be able to attach their profiles to particular search results, indicating if they are an expert (or, I suppose, have a business interest in) what the search is about.

Wikia Search is all open source. Anyone will be able to download the code for the engine and the crawler. Some people will use this to tweak their Web sites so the Wikia Search engine ranks it more highly. But other people will try to improve the code itself, which could have a very interesting effect on SEO (search engine optimization) industry once and if Wikia Search gets big enough to matter.

Wales maintains that since users will be rating pages, there will be no "search engine optimization" to perform other than creating content and sites people like. Unless I am missing something, even with the option to put human ratings on pages, most pages will remain unrated. The algorithm will still matter. I do have high hopes for Wikia Search, though, since the idea of an open algorithm that is transparent, and transparently updated, strikes me as a lot more fair than the current black-box search engines run by Google, Yahoo, Microsoft, and Ask.

Can Wikia Search succeed? Web search is a difficult and expensive business, but as Wales says, "It monetizes well." Unlike many other crackpot sites we see, with search, if the users come, the money follows. Try out the very early, very rough Wikia Search at alpha.search.wikia.com.

And see also Mahalo, an evolving human-powered Web guide. Currently, Mahalo primarily uses paid staffers to create its topic pages, but a new "Mahalo Follow" feature lets users easily recommend sites to the engine--a more cost-effective way to quickly build a library of human-approved links.

Previous News.com story: Wikia Search to offer first peek next week.

December 24, 2006 10:33 AM PST

Wikiasari, 'Venice Project'...Will 2007 be the year of the 'killer?'

by Caroline McCarthy
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(Credit: CNET Networks)

It might be Christmas Eve, but the blogs are still abuzz--mostly with speculation about the big changes in the tech scene that we may or may not be seeing 2007. Over the past couple of days, momentum has been building on a number of stories that are starting to paint what might be one of the first concrete trends we see for '07. Will the coming year be the year of the "killer," the year when big and not-so-big companies join forces to try and topple the products that seem to have a stranglehold on certain niches of the tech market?

It all sounds very Justice League, doesn't it? (Or Aqua Teen Hunger Force, depending on your generational affiliation.)

Most notably, there was yesterday's announcement, reported in The Times and brought into the blogosphere by TechCrunch, that Wikipedia founder Jimmy Wales has decided to take on the megaliths of search with a new product called Wikiasari. The search engine, a new arm of Wales' Wikia product line, is slated for a launch next year, possibly as early as the first quarter. Wales has already been vocal about wanting to take on some of Google's most noticeable flaws--in particular, the tendency for useless or spam-ridden results to pop up.

Wales has also already had to deny a whole bunch of rumors, most notably that Wikiasari is a partnership with Amazon--Amazon recently pumped a lot of money into Wikia, but there is no concrete correlation to the new search engine. Additionally, an alleged "exclusive screenshot" posted on TechCrunch has been dispelled by Wales as inaccurate.

But Jimmy Wales isn't the only Web bigwig who's thinking of encroaching into other tech scions' territories. Another "coming in '07" story that's been getting some major blog buzz these days has been The Venice Project, which is aiming to take a hit at YouTube and which has generated quite a bit of hype since a highly restricted beta was launched a few weeks back.. It's a collaboration between Skype and Kazaa co-founders Niklas Zenstromm and Janus Friis, to bring a peer-to-peer model to the Web video experience and possibly (if the speculation is to be believed) pose the biggest threat yet to the YouTube juggernaut.

To complicate matters even further, broadcast TV networks are apparently plotting their own YouTube challenge. So it could easily be a three-way fight, or a four-way fight, or maybe not a fight at all.

So will 2007 be the year of the "killer?" If Microsoft's Zune, the much-touted "iPod killer," is any indicator, endeavors like Wikiasari and the Venice Project may encounter a tough road ahead. But then again, a fair number of us haven't given up on the Zune yet. In this age of two-year-old betas (hello, Gmail) and total facelifts (can you say "Blogger?") it's tough to dismiss a product in its 1.0 phase. Nevertheless, I'm going to make a prediction: If '07 continues to produce alleged YouTube killers, Google killers, and what-have-you, I'm guessing that by this time next year, "______ killer" will make us cringe just like the term "2.0" had started to skeeve us after a few months of heavy usage over the course of '06.

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