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January 10, 2008 4:00 AM PST

What's the best Web site for geotagged photos?

by Stephen Shankland
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Readers of this blog will have inferred I'm a fan of geotagging--in fact, I'm trying to label all my photos with the tags that show where the picture was taken, even though the geotagging process is complicated.

I'm betting that much of the value of geotagging lies in the future, for example, when I might have a harder time remembering which hike a particular picture came from. But can anything useful be done with those geotagged photos today?

Based on my scrutiny of a handful of sites--Google's Picasa, Yahoo's Flickr, SmugMug (the only fee-required site), Locr, and Everytrail--the answer is yes.

Google's Picasa site can show a map sprinkled with thumbnails of a photo album's pictures.

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But as with other aspects of geotagging, today's cartographically clever Web sites are likely to appeal chiefly to enthusiasts who have some patience and technical abilities. Just like we're not at the stage where most cameras can add a location stamp as easily as they can add a timestamp, we're not yet at the stage where most folks are going to start with an online map when they want to share their photos or reminisce.

Collectively, the sites I checked show the potential of geotagging--but also the rough spots. My top pick is Flickr, with Picasa and SmugMug tied for second place. But each site has different strengths and weaknesses, so look carefully before you make any commitments.

One of the main reasons I picked Flickr as tops is because the Flickr maps interface can sift data better. For example, you can see a high-level view of all your geotagged photos, and you can filter that view with parameters such as your photos, your friends' or contacts' photos, anyone's photos, and most important in my opinion, specific tags. That's a handy interface when trying to find photos of, say, Yosemite National Park, but you can't remember which of several trips a particular photo is associated with.

Flickr displays pictures as unevocative pink dots, but the photos themselves are shown on a strip below.

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In contrast, Picasa and SmugMug draw maps that only reflect the contents of a particular group of photos--called galleries at SmugMug, albums at Picasa, and sets at Flickr. (Google Maps can show Picasa images of a particular area to Google account holders who install a Mapplet application, though.)

Flickr also lets you take a set-based view of a map, with a scattering of pink dots representing your pictures. Indeed, it's probably the most likely way somebody might want to use a map to show off pictures of a recent trip, for example.

SmugMug, though, has what I found to be the slickest geotagging feature out there: fly-through slideshows of a gallery. With this ability, the site automatically shows a gallery's sequence of photos, displaying thumbnails along the way on a map and a red line connecting them.

It's a bit rough around the edges--I'm guessing because the technical difficulties of combining external Google Maps data with its own thumbnails--so it can be herky-jerky at times and with missing map elements. And for slideshows, thumbnails are hardly the best way to showcase sweeping vistas. But there's no question in my mind that the feature imparts a sense of traveling through a place, a sensation that regular slideshows completely lack.

Where Picasa has the edge over Flickr and SmugMug is in showing thumbnails of each image on the map, not just a dot or pushpin, which I like better even though thumbnails can get pretty crowded. It also shows larger pop-up versions than Flickr does. And for people who are geotagging their photos through the Web site, I think Picasa's interface is the best.

I also like the way Picasa, on an individual photo's page, includes a map showing where it was taken. But in part that's because there's a big panel of verbiage to the right of the screen on which that kind of real estate is available. A more photo-oriented site might not have that space to spare.

SmugMug lets you tour a gallery of photos on a map--a cool if still rough-around-the-edges feature.

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Another major advantage of Flickr is its handling of location privacy--geoprivacy in Flickr parlance. Naturally you might not want to share with the world the location of your living room, and your pernickety aunt might be even touchier. Flickr co-founder Stewart Butterfield prohibited geotagging of images of a party at his house.

Happily, Flickr lets you set the geoprivacy of each image, though doing so is awkward. I'm glad the Organizr lets me change this setting, but why isn't there a geoprivacy option in a photo's privacy settings window or in the map that's shown when you click the photo?

There are some other options out there that deserve a look. Google's Panoramio has a reasonable approach to virtual tourism if not necessarily the best interface for storing your photos--it seems like a ripe candidate for some integration with Picasa.

Loc.alize.us likewise is an entertaining way to browse geotagged photos; it's a glitzy interface built on top of Flickr photos and Google Maps.

Like Panoramio, Locr, a German company, lets you upload your own photos. Like SmugMug, it's got a slideshow ability, though its photos are large and its map, a strip on the left edge with pushpin locations, is more an afterthought. That makes for a nicer slideshow than SmugMug's thumbnails, but there's not too much of a sense of place to it. And I can't help thinking when I see sites like Locr, though, that it must be tough building a critical mass of members when there are bigger photo-sharing sites already with major momentum.

For a journey-oriented site Everytrail lets people upload whole GPS track logs and label them with points of interest and photos. It's also got a handy feature that can show others' Panoramio pictures. It's a good way to look at trips people have taken in a particular area.

Locr shows individual photos fine, but doesn't handle groups with much aplomb.

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I found Everytrail's interface a bit difficult and unintuitive at times, but it does have the advantage of being able to piggyback on Flickr: I successfully imported my bike trip Flickr set into an Everytrail map--though the klunkiness of the process was evident by the fact that I have three copies of each photo, and I can't figure out how to get rid of the duplicates. Also, when I inadvertently uploaded the wrong day's track log for a batch of photos, I had a hard time figuring out my error.

In the months that I've been trying this out, though, geotagging has been improving. I'm certain that these sites will improve as geotagging photos in the first place gets easier, more people try it, and programmers hammer away at the computational and user-interface challenges.

Another area with potential is software to deal with geotagging on computers. Mostly that's limited today just to utilities to marry geographic data with image files. But the rudimentary geotagging support in Adobe Systems' Lightroom and Apple's Mac OS X 10.5, which both can show a photo's location on a map, is a harbinger of things to come. Better geotagging abilities on people's computers will fuel improvements on the Web and vice-versa

Originally posted at Underexposed
May 14, 2007 12:17 PM PDT

Webware 100 update: voting opens in a week

by Rafe Needleman
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For the past few days, Josh and I have been buried in Webware 100 nominations. We've gone through the 5,000-plus entries and whittled them down to about 2,000 qualifying candidates, and we are now extracting the 250 finalists that we are going to put on the ballot for the Webware 100 in a week.

It's been a gratifying process so far. Looking at all the nominees in a big pool has validated, for me, the need not just for these awards but also for the Webware blog itself. Although there is a ton of creativity pouring into Web 2.0 start-ups, there are also a lot of me-too sites. And clearly there are way too many new services for the average mortal to digest every day. I hope Webware is helping people find the good products, and I also hope the Webware 100, when it's complete next month, serves as a useful directory to the best of the Web.

In the meantime, I wanted to highlight a few gems that I came across while going through the nominations. These three products may or may not become finalists, but they're interesting and worth checking out.

  • Cozi is a family organizer. It lets you keep individual calendars for everyone in the family, and puts them all together on one display so you can get a clear idea of who's doing what and when. More important, you can have Cozi sync family appointments into your at-work Outlook schedule, and can select which Outlook appointments you want to show up on the family calendar. I've been looking for something like this for a long time. Katherine Boehret covered this service in April for the Mossberg Solution.

    The Visual Thesaurus view of English

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  • Thinkmap has the very engaging Visual Thesaurus. A new twist on your grade-school writing reference, it shows a graphical representation of words that relate to each other, and the chart is navigable and malleable. The first time I tried it, it made me giggle, it's so clever and useful. The only downside is that it's not free if you want to use it regularly.

  • Locr helps you define the location of, or "geocode," your photos. Until cameras come with built-in GPS receivers (it is only a matter of time), encoding your pictures with location data will remain a real pain in the neck. But if you set the clock on your camera correctly, get one of the new GPS recording keychains, and use the Locr service, you can have all your photos geocoded automatically on your PC. Clever. Actually, I'm not sure this is really a Web 2.0 function, but ultimately it will make Web-based photo sites (like Flickr) and mapping services (like Google Earth) better, by helping users encode more of their photos with location data.

January 29, 2007 12:15 PM PST

Locr: Geo-tagged photo browser and hosting solution

by Josh Lowensohn
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Locr is a new photo hosting service that promises to make geo-tagging your photos a little easier. After uploading photos, users need to simply add a zip code or city name to set a longitude and latitude for their shots. Users can then browse other geo-tagged photos by click-dragging a Google Map.

Is this different from what Flickr offers? Yes, but without a Web-based batch uploader or a way to tag landmarks, Locr comes up short.

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Locr's Web interface is really easy to use for individual uploading and geo-tagging, but it just doesn't work with multiple photos. That requires installing the Locr upload client on your Windows PC. The software is a little buggy and gave me a few error messages on my way to uploading just two photos. If Locr could employ an browser-based Java batch-uploader like Facebook or Fotki, it would be much easier than installing software (especially for Mac or Linux users).

Locr does do a few nice things for you, like including information about surrounding landmarks. My test photo of the London Eye pulled in tidbits of information about Westminster and Vauxhall Bridge, both of which are nearby. It's also really cool to drag around the browse map, as corresponding geo-tagged thumbnails will pop up below. This is reminiscent of and even faster than Tag Maps, which I took a look at a couple weeks ago.

Locr is missing a few things, but its map-based photo browser is really well done. If it's gunning for other photo-hosting services, it needs to step up its upload and photo management tools. Geo-tagging is a really cool feature. If Locr can find a way to make it even simpler by letting you search for landmarks while geo-tagging, I think they'd have something that their competitors don't.

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