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March 20, 2009 2:48 PM PDT

Video recording, faster networking on next iPhone?

by Tom Krazit

Does Apple have a video camera and faster 3G chip in mind for the next iPhone?

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Two reports involving a purported next-generation iPhone dovetailed quite nicely Friday.

First off, Silicon Alley Insider reported that it had heard a "rumor" that the next-generation iPhone--expected to launch around the middle of the year but unconfirmed by Apple--would come with faster networking chips. The tipster apparently wasn't clear on whether or not that meant an upgrade to 802.11n Wi-Fi or an upgraded 3G chipset meant to take advantage of faster 3G networks in testing by AT&T, according to Electronista.

But it makes sense viewed against another rumor floated by AppleInsider with a greater degree of certainty. The site said it had been told by a previously reliable source that Apple plans to introduce video recording on the next version of the iPhone, a capability that many iPhone customers have requested over the past two years.

With access to faster networking connections, iPhone owners could find it much easier to upload video shot from the phone to social-networking sites or to e-mail it to friends. Engadget noticed earlier this week after examining the iPhone 3.0 beta that a "Publish Video" screen was visible in the MobileMe application.

We've already seen evidence that Apple has at least one future iPhone model in the works, and adding video recording features and faster networking could be a decent way to encourage older iPhone owners to upgrade. No one seems to know exactly when such a model would arrive, but Apple seems to have settled into a midyear release window for the iPhone based on the last two launch events and the "summer" target date for the iPhone 3.0 software.

Tom Krazit writes about the ever-expanding world of Internet search, including Google, Yahoo, online advertising, and portals, as well as the evolution of mobile computing. He has written about traditional PC companies, chip manufacturers, and mobile computers, spending the last three years covering Apple. E-mail Tom.
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by expme March 20, 2009 3:07 PM PDT
Whooo hooo... I'm just saying. The iphone has been able to do this for a long time already, what's the big deal? Cycorder does a fantastic job and videorecorder3g is even better. What's sad is that apple doesn't let, what the jailbreakers have had for a long time, until they are ready. For instance I'm already using turn by turn gps with xgps. The iphone can do so much the way it is already. Don't get me wrong bring on the new and the better, but let the developers show what the hardware that's out can do now.
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by Jeff.Smith March 20, 2009 3:48 PM PDT
I agree, the biggest thing is upgraded chipset that will allow quicker processing. Through Jailbreaking an iPhone owner can get all the features that are available in 3.0. I think the issue with the video recording is actually with the network. I believe that once you can take video the next step is sharing. And to share video over the network will eat up alot of network bandwidth.

But you do bring the interesting point that these new features are available through jailbreaking. This means that if there IS in fact a new iPhone that only offers a new chipset and video recording I think most tech savvy people will probably just jailbreak their phones as apposed to shelling out 300$ and another 2 years to at&t.

Personally I will stick with my jailbroken 3g and use cycorder. Unless Apple can really wow me with signifigantly faster speeds and some other features besides video. I'm not hopeful though.
by muskratboy March 20, 2009 4:21 PM PDT
well, no... cycorder (and every other jailbroken video app) only do 15fps, not full-motion video. that IS a big deal, actually... half speed just doesn't get it done. when offered REAL video via apple or cripple video via jailbreak, people aren't going to wait 2 years for the real thing.

the iphone definitely needs video recording... but it needs REAL video recording, 720x486 @ 30fps. cycorder is a cute toy, but that's about it.
by abcd9009 March 20, 2009 5:25 PM PDT
Two issues I can see with that.
1. Security - Virus attacks
2. Revenue loss
by mrcockrell March 20, 2009 5:36 PM PDT
@muskratboy

the camera on the iPhone is limited to 15fps by the hardware itself, it has nothing to do with the apps, even if apple wanted to allow it, it would still be 15fps
by artistjoh March 20, 2009 9:40 PM PDT
It is very easy to talk of jail breaking as if it is just another choice, but it is not so simple. Besides the practical issue that jailbroken iPhone owners have lost the value of device support from Apple, there is the moral dimension.

Jailbreaking contravenes the legal documents such as EULA and so on that the manufacturer and telco require. By deliberately ignoring those legalities the jailbreaker is doing no different to any thief or fraudster. Far be it for me to assume that you or anyone else desires to live a moral life. After all a burglar would see jailbreaking as a very minor immorality. I do need to remind you, however that like downloading pirated movies and music or cracked software, there is a moral line here that the majority of people prefer not to cross.
by DarkHawke March 21, 2009 2:21 AM PDT
@artistjoh: I'll grant you the EULA violation, but are you SERIOUSLY trying to tell us it's *immoral* to jailbreak an iPhone? Who exactly is hurt by this? Apple? No, they have your money for the phone and even jailbroken iPhones work fine with iTunes, so if you want to buy music or apps, you're still good to go. AT&T? No, 'cause jailbreaking only allows you to run non-Apple-approved apps, not swap in a new SIM and use T-Mobile service. And again, AT&T locks you into a binding contract with penalties for default, so they're taken care of as well. So no one's out any cash, so your pirated software/music/movies argument is moot.

And as to the EULA, that in itself seems immoral to me. I pay for the phone and I keep up my contract, but unlike any other computing device on planet, I can only run what apps effing APPLE thinks are okay to run on a device that is legally mine now and not theirs? That seems moral by your lights? Jailbreaking an iPhone may run afoul of a piece of paper of dubious legality and enforceability, but I think if you run this scenario by your friendly neighborhood priest/minister/rabbi/imam, he'll let you slide on it.
by Cragfast March 22, 2009 4:54 AM PDT
I agree its no big deal for the software in the current iPhone 3G to record video, not too sure what the maximum fps of the current camera is though.
If Apple were to make the iPhone capable of recording video the next question would be why doesn't the iPhone have a front facing camera for video chat ??
I think that the reason it has not been made available yet is not to do with the iPhone it is to do with the Carrier Networks, they are not capable of carrying the huge amount of bandwidth that this would create.
If the current iPhone had a front facing camera for video chat, just think of tens / hundreds of thousands of people using mobile iChat to communicate with each other, just think of the thousands of complaints / law suites that Apple would get when the quality of the video is awful. Apple will only bring in this function when the carriers are capable of providing a good user experience.
I also hope that the next iPhone has a better camera, not necessarily 8 gazzillion pixels but being able to work in low light conditions. I would hope for a flash but Jonny Ive would have to find a way of making this almost invisible to get it past Mr Jobs !
by mrcockrell March 24, 2009 10:16 PM PDT
@ artistjoh

does EULA really say anything about jailbreaking?? or are you referring to unlocking? either way..

cell phone companies are the immoral ones having contracts telling people to what they can or cant to with a peice of equipment that they already paid for and own outright

as a matter of fact they have been losing court cases left and right for it
by codynews March 20, 2009 4:38 PM PDT
@ Muskratboy: I don't mind non HD 30 FPS video FROM MY PHONE. Geeze. That's like saying "The iphone doesn't really take photos as they're not 10 megapixel"
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by Berke.h March 20, 2009 4:42 PM PDT
Well, in fact 720x486 isn't quite HD either... I don't mind the resolution, as long as it can take smooth 25/30fps video...
by mrcockrell March 20, 2009 5:39 PM PDT
the 15fps videos i get on my iPhone using cycorder or videorecorder3g are way better than every previous cell phone i hads video ever was
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by 7aji88 March 20, 2009 10:53 PM PDT
still not as good as Nokia or SE's phones.
by seven7dust March 21, 2009 2:31 AM PDT
7aji88
the Video quality in Nokia or SE phones is nothing to brag about either
by Mark_Anderson March 23, 2009 5:40 AM PDT
Actually it is on the N95 and the N82.
by Berke.h March 20, 2009 5:43 PM PDT
I wanted to point out that if Apple is really putting out a new model, along with the video recording and faster networking, they should absolutely roll out (much) bigger capacity memory.

Well, if people can start recording video, even 16GB won't be enough... I'm bypassing 32 and crossing fingers for 64GB! :D
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by ElPiogan March 20, 2009 8:41 PM PDT
Something that we can add to this report is the fact that Apple added YouTube login out of the 100 extra new features they put in the iphone 3.0. They want you enter to YouTube no as a guess but with your credentials, could be that they are opening the door to upload video you take with the iphone right to your account in YouTube?.
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by kingrah1 March 20, 2009 8:46 PM PDT
iPhone should have had 802.11n from the start.
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by kelmon March 21, 2009 3:11 AM PDT
Why? Sure, the option would be nice but I don't see much of a practical application for the technology on a phone since you are typically doing all your data transfers via the Internet and therefore are limited by the speed of your Internet connection. Certainly we have a while to go here before we reach 54mbps Internet speeds and 802.11g will become the bottleneck. Personally, my own connection tops-out at 18mbps, although maybe you are luckier.
by SeizeCTRL March 21, 2009 7:54 PM PDT
.n would be an overkill when the phone / touch can't render web pages fast enough to take advantage of even .g speeds. beef processor/ram so the both the phone/touch are much more responsive then faster wifi would be just dandy... but for now I can't tell a difference between .b and .g in terms of speed, so .n is rather pointless.
by csoccer1 March 22, 2009 8:16 PM PDT
back in 2007, 802.11n was just getting popular. i bought a new expensive linksys router then and it only had b/g with speedbooster. it'd be like apple putting a 4g chip inside the next iphone, sure, 4g is coming, but not any time within the next year.
by missingxtension2 March 20, 2009 9:29 PM PDT
Seeing that the Iphone can only ad hoc at 11mbps is a real disappointing thing, That means the only way to fix that is to put new hardware. But then again, why would you want to sell a 3g iphone. If you can make a 2g version then make people wish they had more. Same thing with a camera, flash player, and so on. You don't fix something that is not broken, so you sell it broke.
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by seven7dust March 21, 2009 2:34 AM PDT
I wonder why there's so much interest in Video recording ?
Especially with the iPhone Camera
phones will never replace cameras and Camcorders until
the manufactures start caring about Image quality and zoom
the only thing they care about now is megapixels
just see how Nokia and Sony r releasing 8 and 12 megapixel phones
atleast Apple hasn't fallen for this type of cheap marketing !
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by csoccer1 March 22, 2009 8:19 PM PDT
also, the iphone 3g was released before the whole megapixel battle on cell phones started (or became somewhat important). if apple doesn't at least do 3.5 mp or better, i'd be a bit disappointed. i'd still but it for a more powerful chipset, and who knows, maybe apple will allow multitasking on the next iphone if the hardware can run it well.
by iPhoneUser March 21, 2009 6:29 AM PDT
Personally, I could care less if my iPhone records video. People, the iPhone is a smartPHONE, not a smartCAMERA or a smartCAMCORDER. These multi-tasking devices are classically able to do one thing really really well and the peripheral features are no better than average. My point? If you want a smartphone with an 8 megapixel camera, great. That smartphone will probably take great pictures. But I bet it fails in other features like external device support, user interface, etc.
The video you'll get from an iPhone will be junk anyway because the camera hardware on the iPhone is severely limited, and any future models that have upgraded hardware may produce better video, but the video will only look decent if viewed on a youtube sized-window. Who really cares? I'm so over video-ing my life and posting it on Twitter or Facebook so my "friends" who I've never met can comment on how wasted my friend looked at the bar last night - LAME. There has to be more to the internet than these crappy social networking sites, which the author eludes to as a main purpose for apple including video recording in future iPhone versions.
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by facety March 25, 2009 5:54 PM PDT
iPhoneUser, how hilarious and how true!
by DivineOracle March 21, 2009 8:22 AM PDT
Maybe Apple should consider embedding some form of broadband acceleration technology in the next-gen iPhone. An improvement of 500% sounds great - http://www.reuters.com/article/pressRelease/idUS143806+13-Jan-2009+MW20090113
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by putkowski March 21, 2009 8:32 AM PDT
I've had 30fps VGA recording for almost two years..Nokia N95.
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by tubeit March 21, 2009 1:53 PM PDT
Why upgrade when you can get video for 4.99 now?

Just go to http://www.tube-it.tv and get video now on your iphone.

You can even upload the video to youtube with 1 click right from your iphone 2G or 3G!

Patrick
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by ReCluyse March 21, 2009 2:03 PM PDT
Faster chip sets and video = video conferencing? We can only hope. A full featured iChat and photobooth would be awesome; Just a thought: the new messages icon looked really bland in 3.0. I think they might throw in a video icon on there eventually just like ichat has now. they couldnt have it there before though bc it would ruin the surprise and give evidence to a future product release/feature. we shall see...
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by SeizeCTRL March 21, 2009 7:51 PM PDT
Great, how about some EXPANDABLE MEMORY to go with this. I mean if you are going to start taking pictures and video on your iPhone, eventually space will become way more important than it already is. So it would be nice to have apps & music stored internally while pictures and video could be stored and saved to MicroSD. It's not like the MicroSD slot will take up a huge amount of space. Expandable memory would be a huge win!
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by psyclopps March 22, 2009 5:00 PM PDT
16gb isn't enough for cell phone pics and videos that rarely are larger than a megabyte?
by csoccer1 March 22, 2009 8:22 PM PDT
ehh, so your one of those "OMG EXPANDABLE MEMORY OR NO BUY" kinds of people. You do know that 8 gigs can store thousands of photos and hundreds of videos, right? throw in some music and apps, and maybe you'll fill up all 8 gigs. but there is no need for expandable memory on the 16 gig version, if 16 gigs isn't enough space for photos, videos, movies, and music on your cell phone, then i think you should be looking for a netbook instead.
by thelemurking March 23, 2009 10:00 AM PDT
I filled up my 8gb iPod in a matter of days... 2 weeks after I bought it, I was regretting that I didn't opt for the 16gb. On the other hand, my g/f has an 8gb Sansa Fuse which has a Micro SD slot on it... she has several 4gb cards that she can swap out depending on her mood.

I on the other hand have to delete albums from my iPod Touch to put new ones on. 8gb really isn't that much these days... especially when you consider about 1gb of that 8gb goes to the OS installation leaving you right at 7gb for storage of music and apps. I have roughly 600mb free right now. Having expandable storage would be a god send!
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by A_Surtees March 24, 2009 9:22 AM PDT
The convergence of these two rumors, and the announcement of the video streaming in OS 3.0 leads me to belive that video calls may be available on the next gen iPhone.
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by buzztech March 24, 2009 11:12 AM PDT
I thought that too, but I tend to think a front-facing camera won't come until generation 4--after all, Apple will need a fourth act, and a fifth, and so on, if they hope to hold everyone's attention in the coming years.
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