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February 23, 2009 10:41 AM PST

Verizon iPhone around the corner?

by Matt Hickey
(Credit: Matt Hickey)

Correction 11:56 a.m. PST: We messed up. The 9 to 5 Mac blog we cited below is in fact from September 2008, so it turns out this is an old rumor. Because it showed up in our RSS feed Saturday, we, like a number of other publications, took it as a recent post and went from there. Apologies for the confusion.

There have been rumors buzzing around the Internet for some time Apple is secretly preparing a CDMA version of the iPhone, probably headed to Verizon Wireless, and probably by the end of this year. It's no secret Apple has been advertising jobs that require experience in the CDMA wireless standard, which Verizon Wireless and Sprint both use, and is the competing standard to GSM, which AT&T and T-Mobile use, as well as the standard the current iPhone uses.

What's unknown are the exact terms of Apple's deal with AT&T. Neither company will confirm rumors that AT&T's exclusivity ends this year or other rumors that the original deal has been extended to sometime in 2010.

The Web site 9 to 5 Mac offers a few compelling reasons why a non-AT&T iPhone in the near future might be likely, including Apple COO Tim Cook mentioning that the iPhone maker wasn't "married to the one carrier/country model."

In addition, it's known that Verizon was the original preferred carrier for Apple but wouldn't give up the control AT&T eventually did to Steve Jobs.

With Sprint having exclusive rights to the Palm Pre for the year, and T-Mobile's commitment to the G1 and Android, it would make sense that Verizon would push for the iPhone, including giving up distribution to Apple, as AT&T did.

This would give Apple a much larger user base than it currently has, as many people are tied to carriers other than AT&T due to contract restrictions. Eventually it's likely that every major carrier will have the iPhone.

With more than 15 years experience testing hardware (and being obsessed with it), Crave freelance writer Matt Hickey can tell the good gadgets from the great. He also has a keen eye for future technology trends. Matt has blogged for publications including TechCrunch, CrunchGear, and most recently, Gizmodo. E-mail Matt.
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by 1812dave February 23, 2009 10:52 AM PST
What I'm hoping for as a Verizon customer is that they start carrying the Pre sometime this year. I don't want to switch to Sprint and I wouldn't switch to AT&T if the iphone was FREE! Having a Touch, I'm not all fired up about having an iPhone anyway. I can use my Touch all I want and not impact the battery life of my phone. Sometimes having everything in one device can have it's downsides.
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by MaggieRed February 23, 2009 11:03 AM PST
I believe it is the 3G chip that consumes the battery. I believe that would be applicable to any 3G based phone.
by brgiant February 23, 2009 11:40 AM PST
I have both the iPhone and the HTC Touch, on AT&T and Sprint respectively. I get crap life out of my Touch (which I rarely use), but the iPhone last multiple days unless I use the crap out of the internet or GPS.

I actually misplaced my iPhone today and had to rely exclusively on the Touch.... no comparison, I nearly went insane without my iPhone.
by heckitsme February 23, 2009 12:32 PM PST
i thought verizon is working on a 4G network?
by twolf2919 February 23, 2009 10:59 AM PST
Previously, it was widely reported that the exclusivity agreement between AT&T and Apple was for 5 years. This is the first time I hear people saying "What's unknown are the exact terms of Apple's deal with AT&T". If it is 5 years, then we won't see an iphone on another carrier until 2012.
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by lightningrob February 23, 2009 11:23 AM PST
Source, please. Where did you hear the 5 year number. Everything I heard was either 2 or 3 years.
by twolf2919 February 23, 2009 11:51 AM PST
Just google for it. From 2007:
http://www.usatoday.com/tech/wireless/2007-05-21-at&t-iphone_N.htm
http://news.cnet.com/8301-10784_3-9742441-7.html

More recently, the talk is a lot more nebulous:
http://www.smartphonetoday.com/articles/2008/8/2008-8-5-Apple-Extends-iPhone.html
it says 2-5 years but then goes on to say that the agreement has been extended through 2010. That is corroborated by: http://www.intomobile.com/2008/08/04/att-secures-iphone-exclusivity-through-2010.html

If the latest rumors are to be believed, Apple can't sell any iPhone until 2011.
by bonesbautista February 23, 2009 11:03 AM PST
I own two cell phones - an iPhone (ATT) and a Palm Centro (VZW). I truly need coverage in both service areas, and the iPhone was a gift. The Centro's voice quality is about as good as it gets on a mobile device and I simply refuse to buy a BREW device put out by VZW.

With an iPhone on VZW, I'll be up for an upgrade about October, and I'll ditch the Centro for a Pre and the iPhone for an iPhone, and put a GoPhone in my rig that's hooked up to my GrandCentral number when I'm out of CDMA coverage. I want a work phone that I can leave in a drawer but has the power of Palm's contact management and an iPhone with voice quality that doesn't blow chunks most of the time and on network that doesn't go down once every week or two. I've been with ATTWS/Cingular since 1997, but it's time to move on.
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by stigmattaman February 23, 2009 11:05 AM PST
If Apple could get on Verizon, they'd win. Believe me, I know there are a ton of limitations to the device, but it's still the most-sought by the mass market - and it's a pretty darn good experience (lack of background apps notwithstanding).

Seriously though, it makes a lot of sense for Verizon and Apple, although I'm sure AT&T would hate this. Apple needs a splashy announcement and a new audience to sell to. In order to not cheese off AT&T completely, I'd suggest they give AT&T an exclusive with an upgraded capacity iPhone while Verizon gets the 8 or 16 gigger.

Knowing Big V though, they'll prolly demand Apple rip out the Wi-Fi and GPS though.
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by cybrsrce February 23, 2009 8:52 PM PST
If you knew Verizon, you would know that the hardware would be there, we'd just have to hack our ***** off to enable it. For the record, all phones that have wi-fi in their gsm iterations also have wi-fi in Verizon's cdma version. It's the gps that they are retarded about... Stop propagating the fud.

The iPhone definitely makes the "want" list of phone on Verizon's network, right behind the Touch Pro 2.
by hugejass February 26, 2009 4:54 AM PST
Er, ALL Verizon phones include GPS (unlike GSM and AT&T which are backwards on location services). The CDMA standard uses GPS for E911 and it is integrated into the Qualcomm chipset.

GPS was adopted for UMTS (European 3G that AT&T uses) only after kicking & screaming and unable to come up w/ anything as accurate as GPS....
by gopnick February 23, 2009 11:06 AM PST
I really don't know what to think about this rumor. As twolf2919 pointed out, if we believe the rumors that came out in 2007, the exclusivity agreement goes through 2011 or 2012. Now we are hearing something different. Regardless, at some point we were misled by some bad information.
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by zizzybaloobah February 23, 2009 11:13 AM PST
This would be great if it happens.

Note to Verizon: this would be a great opportunity to reward your loyal customers who stuck it out despite every other carrier having better phones (without crippled features). In other words, I want this at a price I can afford when my New-Every-2 kicks in later this year -- finally perhaps, a Verizon phone I'll actually be excited about buying.
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by February 23, 2009 1:19 PM PST
You took the words right out of my mouth
by Mr. Dee February 23, 2009 11:25 AM PST
Why would Apple launch at Macworld 2010 when they have officially pulled out of the tradeshow this past January?
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by boogiethecat February 23, 2009 11:30 AM PST
I switched to ATT from Verizon just to get an iphone, which I dearly love. This is the best news ever to me.. Verizon's service was outstanding and coverage was great. As it is, my iphone is totally useless as a phone in most of the locations I find myself at, including home. And most of those locations are in "good" service areas on ATT's map...
Hurry up!!!!
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by checodaman February 23, 2009 11:31 AM PST
Too late, been a VZW customer for 8 years...switching to Sprint for the Pre.
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by zizzybaloobah February 23, 2009 12:44 PM PST
to Sprint? just for the phone? it better be good cuz their service is worse than AT&T
by trentZ2 March 7, 2009 8:47 AM PST
I was a Sprint cusstomer (yes I spelled that right) for 8 long years b4 i went to Verizon. Youll be sorry...nuff said.
by michaelportent February 23, 2009 11:37 AM PST
That'd be nice! Verizon consistently gets high marks in Seattle, where I'm at, for coverage. AT&T on the other hand...
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by robotaholic February 23, 2009 11:42 AM PST
I wish Apple would just go out of business- all their customer's are ***** and all they offer is overpriced propriatary crap. - Hate the apple crowd, hate the operating system, the way it looks, the zombified attitude- and the iphone is actually old looking- lacks features, poor call quality, and it should be sold at "BUY 4 MORE" - where you get less for more! - just DIE apple people, go away, and take your mama car home *****!
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by Perry_Clease February 23, 2009 12:02 PM PST
Great satire!
by zizzybaloobah February 23, 2009 12:47 PM PST
Yes, because so many other phones *aren't* proprietary or overpriced or have a superior OS.
by random truth February 23, 2009 7:34 PM PST
@robotaholic
You know apple has enough money to buy HP, the largest oem of windows computers, in cash and shut it down, and still have a ****load of money left over. I dont think they are going out of buisness for a while.
by rickreno February 23, 2009 11:53 AM PST
I gave my IPhone to my kid because of the crappy network AT&T offers. I need a phone that works. I'm back on Verizon with a Blackberry and am quite happy - it works every time I want to use it. If they do the Iphone for Verizon, I might be tempted to change phones, I miss the application mix that platform offers.
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by 1812dave February 23, 2009 12:08 PM PST
Amen to Verizon's great coverage. Since switching to Verizon in 2001, I've not had any of the issues with signals that I had with our previous carrier. I've spent time in 7 states with the Verizon service and it "just works" everywhere!
by Shaun822 February 23, 2009 2:49 PM PST
I was about 1 step from switching to ATT for an iPhone then my buddy got one. We go to school in the middle of Boston, not exactly a rural area, and at the bar across the street from our school he gets no signal. Same for his apartment, job, etc. He gets decent signals at many intermediate points but at none of the points he actually wants to use the phone. I elected to go with a BlackBerry Storm on VZW instead and have been very pleased with it. I get great service everywhere, I have found maybe 5 dead zones between Cape Cod and Canada, excluding being quite literally in the middle of a national forest.
by random truth February 23, 2009 7:35 PM PST
Do what works for you.
by FellowConspirator February 23, 2009 12:03 PM PST
I only have AT&T because it really offers the best service for those traveling between Europe and the USA. If Verizon offered the iPhone with a cheaper data plan and maintained the GSM support, I'd go for it. With one caveat -- Verizon typically disables phone features and then sells them back to the user for a fee (for example, GSM support). I wouldn't go with any phone intentionally crippled by the service provider.

Also, I think I'll still wait for some basic phone features that the iPhone is still missing, like OBEX transfers and voice dialing (I know there are some apps for the latter, but it should be a basic feature of the device).
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by 1812dave February 23, 2009 12:12 PM PST
Don't forget it's lack of cut & paste and multitasking! Two glaring omissions for a supposedly "killer" phone. What was Apple thinking??? oh, yeah, that's right...they don't LISTEN..they dictate to their customers. I abhor Apple's "take it or leave it" attitude towards product development. I'm sure their focus group consists of ONE MAN--Steve Jobs. His opinion is the only one that shapes the features of Apple's products, as far as I can tell. And if it's not him exclusively, it's surely NOT an independent focus group made up of typical consumers.
by celticbrewer February 23, 2009 12:55 PM PST
I'm with you, Conspirator. Even when Verizon gets a semi decent phone (Dare, Blackberry) they manage to screw it up and limit its use so much that it's hardly worth having. If the iPhone comes to verizon, it probably won't be allowed to access the app store, or some rediculous restriction like that. I've had Verizon for many years as the coverage is great, but I've kept to basic phones because anything more isn't allowed to do more. No doubt that's where Jobs and Verizon went sour initially.

I think the iPhone is an overhyped POS, but if it doesn't have the restrictions of other verizon devices, even I might consider getting one.
by atomD21 February 23, 2009 6:14 PM PST
Totally agree celticbrowser. I love having Verizon because their service is the best where I live, but I am so sick of gimped phones. And you're right about why Verizon didn't get the iPhone. VZW was Apple's first choice, but they wanted to retain too much control, so Apple went with a network only too happy to let Apple have most all that it wanted. If Verizon will pull their heads out of their butts, they would be the first carrier to get the iPhone when the AT&T contract expires.
by palmpregeeks February 23, 2009 12:40 PM PST
Like others have mentioned, I would love to see this phone be CDMA and be on Verizon, but I think the chances are slim for awhile.
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by mcatusf February 23, 2009 12:48 PM PST
iPhone on Verizon? Love it. I'd leap at the chance to have the phone analog to my ipod touch, so long as the data plan can be customized.
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by aka_tripleB February 23, 2009 1:25 PM PST
This isn't going to happen. The rumors are just pipe dreams from Apple fanboys who hate AT&T. There is no way Apple is going to release an exclusive CDMA iPhone right before Verizon begins rolling out its LTE network. If anything, the next iPhone will have a LTE chip in it and still be "exclusive" to AT&T, but you can unlock it and take it over to Verizon if you live in one of the few places that have LTE. Apple's too late to the CDMA game to go that route, it wouldn't be wise to not to move to 4G and have everyone whine like they did with the original iPhone only being 2G.
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by macewan_ February 23, 2009 1:35 PM PST
Honestly all I need is bluetooth on the iPod touch. Why is that so freaking difficult for Apple?
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by robertmacewan February 23, 2009 1:52 PM PST
Zoloft will probably help with your issues. just saying...
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by geohawkins February 23, 2009 4:02 PM PST
I'd be all in favor or Apple/Verizon. I've been with VZW for over 10 years, and my 2-yr is over in April. I plan to hang in there for the next rumored iPhone with AT&T; however, their signals are terrible in my area. Therefore, I'd be extremely pleased if there's a VZW model coming.
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by kboateng February 23, 2009 4:15 PM PST
I know there are a whole host of people who would love to get this phone but I'd rather opt for the Pre coming to Verizon than the iPhone...I don't want the next razr phone all over the NETWORK...it'll probably bog it down and crash it just like AT&T and their outages :)
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