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September 9, 2008 11:02 AM PDT

Underwhelmed by iPod announcements

by Matt Rosoff

I'm following Tuesday morning's Apple event, and while HD TV and NBC's return to iTunes are nice, this blog's about music. So here are some instant reactions to the music-related news:

Genius playlists. Select a song, click this feature, and you'll get a playlist from your collection of similar songs, plus iTunes recommendations. This sounds like a promising way to solve the fatigue that a lot of users develop with their own collections after a few months, as well as the jarring transitions that sometimes pop up during a random shuffle session. Of course, so much depends on how well it works--will the algorithm adhere toward the same artists and genres? Will it be reliant on metadata such as composer and year, or can it analyze actual audio characteristics like tempo and key? The latter would be amazingly cool. I'll check it out later Tuesday and post more details then.

Bright colors and a nice oval shape characterize the new line of iPod Nanos.

(Credit: James Martin/CNET Networks)

New iPods. The super-thin Nano looks amazingly cool and will probably do well this holiday. And a new 120GB Classic for $249 matches what Microsoft announced for the Zune on Monday. Only it's an iPod, which means it looks way cooler, has a scroll wheel, is far more fashionable...you know the drill. They've put the cover flow and accelerometer from the iPhone in, meaning the Nano will know when you turn it on its side. You can shake it up and it'll shuffle songs. New bright colors, and more recyclable than ever before. (Wow--is it smart to introduce a new product by talking about how you'll have to throw it away someday?) This is all fine and dandy if you don't have an MP3 player already, but I'm not seeing any exciting new features that will make existing iPod owners run out and upgrade.

The iPod Touch is also getting a makeover, super-thin with an integrated speaker, has the App Store (games!) and Genius and Nike+ features built-in. This is really becoming a hybrid entertainment device--more like a PSP than a mere MP3 player. Still, I've always thought this product fits into a weird niche between the iPhone and old-fashioned iPods or other MP3 players. I guess it's for people who want cutting-edge technology (touch screen!) but aren't ready to part with their current phone. BlackBerry fans, maybe. They seem to be targeting it at gamers, but with an entry price of $229 I'm not sure that will work--that's $100 more than the cheapest Nintendo DS Lite, about $60 more than the cheapest Sony PSP, and--heck--$20 more than an Xbox 360 Arcade. Then again, it is the market-leading MP3 player as well as a game device.

That's it? OK, that's it.

Harrumph. I'm happy to hammer Microsoft when it screws up, as it did with some earlier Zunes, but I have to say that this week's Zune announcement was a lot more exciting than the iPod announcement. The hardware's nowhere near as cool--Apple's a great hardware and design company--but I'll be darned if the new Zunes don't do more when it comes to music. They're not all-in-one devices like the Touch is becoming, and Microsoft certainly doesn't have anything that can touch the iPhone, but on a pure MP3 player basis, the Zune's finally looking competitive.

That said, Apple's probably done enough with the new designs to keep the iPod Nano flying off store shelves this holiday. And Zune's got a bad reputation to overcome.

Matt Rosoff is an analyst with Directions on Microsoft, where he covers Microsoft's consumer products and corporate news. He's written about the technology industry since 1995, and reviewed the first Rio MP3 player for CNET.com in 1998. He is a member of the CNET Blog Network. Disclosure. You can follow Matt on Twitter @mattrosoff.
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by reppster September 9, 2008 11:58 AM PDT
the thing is that unless Microsoft renames the Zune as a part of the Xbox line, they will always be far behind the iPod.
Frankly, i dont care how much MS adds to the Zune, i will always buy an iPod. I'm on my second and thinking about buying a third within a few months. I already have a classic and touch, so i might just buy one of the new nanos.
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by da_alman September 9, 2008 12:25 PM PDT
Just curious. Why do you need all of these ipods? I still have a black and white 30gb, that I use in the car to listen to my music and a 1st gen Nano for activities.
by masterz13 September 9, 2008 1:29 PM PDT
So you're saying that you like wasting money on stuff you dont need? IMO there is no excuse for owning 3 ipods of the same generation. The Ipod is leagues behind Zune, but people are too stupid to see it because Apple has brainwashed society. Get a Zune people. They last longer, have more features, and the software is much better.
by Super2online September 9, 2008 12:11 PM PDT
I have a black Zune 4 gig and love it. I really like the presentations I've seen and the new features and love the new blue model which I will most likely buy for my 3 sons for christmas. I'm not an Apple user, but I"m not a basher either. It just appears to me that with the new Zune updates have caught up and surpassed what Apple offers that I prefer in an MP3 player. Maybe we can start getting a litle more social now.
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by scaryhobo September 9, 2008 12:52 PM PDT
Objectively evaluating products before forming an opinion is a concept foreign to almost all buyers. Success of either device comes down to the asthetics, marketing and peer pressure surrounding each.
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by jairo_lopez September 9, 2008 1:11 PM PDT
"Only it's an iPod, which means it looks way cooler, has a scroll wheel, is far more fashionable...you know the drill"
Those are exactly the arguments used by the people who buy iPods: "more fashionable". It does not matter that the Zune is a superior product than the iPod Classic
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by jamesmac2 September 9, 2008 1:14 PM PDT
I have to say I put too much faith in Apple and their new products. When the hell are they going to build an ipod with intergraded Bluetooth? I hate using the adaptors for the headphones??it makes the nano not so small. Also, I'm betting the new iphone update still has no cut and paste or voice dial. The ones at the App Store are not worth the money and they suck. This was a very disappointing event....nothing of real innovation or really making me want to buy. The ipod touch is still way over priced for what it does. I'm also guessing that most of the accessories I have for my past nanos will not work with this new one because of the design. With each event and product line........the products are just not as cutting edge.
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by myles taylor September 9, 2008 1:15 PM PDT
Does the new Touch have a microphone, or is that just the Nano? It would seem kind of weird to put that in the Nano and not in the Touch. The speaker and mic would make me consider trading in my 3 month old Touch for a new one.
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by sanjayb September 9, 2008 1:15 PM PDT
I didn't see anything in today's announcements from Apple that would want me to upgrade. I have a 2G Nano and a 16GB Touch which I am happy with.

The one thing I don't understand is why would Apple integrate the Nike+ transmitter in the Touch? I can't imagine working out with my Touch. That's what I have my Nano for.
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by bikeseth11 September 9, 2008 1:20 PM PDT
You need to update your article to make it more clear that there is not a 120GB iPod nano model. That is a seriously confusing paragraph. Put in some more nouns, and give objects for your prepositions!
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by MattRosoff September 9, 2008 1:28 PM PDT
Point taken, and done.
by grpaul349 September 11, 2008 10:01 PM PDT
Ya... that paragraph is still terrible.
by AppleSuxLeo September 9, 2008 1:21 PM PDT
Underwhelmed ? You aren`t the only one. "Lots of new colors" hahahahaha !
And MSFT gets little press for some truly innovative features. Tag FM and buy/Stream/Buy over wifi...no computer needed.
Good news was Appl tanked today ;)
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by priceski September 9, 2008 1:27 PM PDT
Plug in the new apple headphones with microphone into the ipod touch, launch skype and you've got a phone whenever you've got a wifi connection... oh, and you're not paying AT&T $1200+ over two years for cra**y service.
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by VacTacks11 September 9, 2008 1:43 PM PDT
I have 48GB (8500) songs, 30GB of videos.

What about us who want to take all of our music with us, but don't want the Classic?

I have the 160GB Classic, and I love it. But I want the Touch, and I was really hoping for a 64GB or 128GB of the Touch.

The 32GB forces me to pick/choose my playlists, and pick/choose my Family Guy videos.

That's what underwhelmed me during this announcement. A larger capacity Touch/Nano.
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by john55440 September 9, 2008 1:49 PM PDT
It's too bad that so many people have a "must be an iPod" mentality, and refuse to seriously evaluate alternatives.

What a lazy/complacent iPod lineup.
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by grpaul349 September 11, 2008 10:03 PM PDT
How is this lazy/complacent? What other flash based mp3 player has an accelerometer? What other flash based mp3 player has mutli-touch/wifi/app store? I'll admit it could have been more (and seriously... the ipod classic was a disappointment), but the others companies haven't even caught up on apple from last years September announcements.
by jscott418 September 9, 2008 1:59 PM PDT
I just Apple has just over hyped so much that it's a big let down if its just announcing a refresh of products.
I would think Apple would save these big productions for truly new products.
Maybe too with all the problems of late I just think people have brought Apple down a notch or two.
That is Apple's own fault for bragging too much about how they are so much better then the rest!
We now know that is not always true! They have problems and maybe cut corners or have faulty engineering the same as any other technology manufacture. I must say, I will seriously look at the Zune before I get another iPod. I think its only fair to give the Zune a shot.
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by Dalmatian28 September 9, 2008 2:01 PM PDT
Mr. Matt Rosoff ....please, please have a higher standards than this! You act like you are a little girl that is describing her barbie! This world is not contest about Apple vs. Microsoft and what your perception about fashionable is, we as a readers are interested about product itself! We need information about what the product can do in more details. I wander if there are people out there that buy tech products based on what it looks like! You as writer for such a popular site like C-Net should give us information on what the new product can do...which unfortunately you did very little.
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by daghst September 10, 2008 4:33 PM PDT
believe me there are such people, my girlfriend does it and it annoys me to death.
by Prin_coh September 9, 2008 2:56 PM PDT
Another six months, another jarring combination of incremental changes to one model, jarring changes to another, and an actual step backwards for a third.

Every time one of these Apple events rolls around, I'm happier than ever that I never bought a Shuffle or Nano; the constant significant design changes must drive their owners and third-party accessory-makers up the wall.

If Apple had announced that they were going from a 80/160 lineup for the Classic to a 120/240, or even more radically, a 240GB-only decision, that would have gotten them more consumers for the Classic. (Yes, Toshiba makes a dual-platter version of the 1.8" 120GB drive, just like it did for the 80GB.)

Instead, it seems like they're treading water against the Zune. I cannot fathom why Apple would deliberately make it so that anyone who bought a 160GB iPod Classic would have zero incentive to buy into the latest generation. Anyone who has a collection large enough to need a 160GB (or bigger) drive won't be buying into the iPod Touch any time soon, so I'm not sure what Jobs & Co. thought they were doing for themselves here.
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by DonnieGee September 10, 2008 4:07 AM PDT
I agree whole-heartedly with your assessment. I was prepared to drop a few hundred for a higher capacity version of the classic but was very disappointed. Their literature claims that you can store you whole music collection on the new classic. What an incredibly naive assumption! Lots of people these days have collections that exceed 120 GB - and I'm talking music only... Let alone if you want to carry around a few videos!

So, I won't be trading any of my money for the new ones they just announced. I can only hope that someone out there with a bit of entrepreneurial spirit creates a player that can store significantly more than the current line. They will get my money. I don't care if it is a bit bigger - I care more about functionality.
by patrick_i September 11, 2008 4:55 PM PDT
I think the 80/160 is being phased out by the drive maker in favor of a 120 and possibly a 240. Yes it's Apple's fault the drive maker decided to change it's product. For all those people who complain about why Apple keeps making changes, please refer to those people who keep asking for changes..... duh duh duh what's wrong with you people. The world isn't Burger King you can't have everything your way. Pull your heads out of your rear ends because you're the reason the US is falling behind.
by nicmart September 17, 2008 9:16 AM PDT
Agreed. Apple now acts like a company with not enough competition to motivate it to make substantial improvements. Now there are mostly frivolous cosmetic changes and new ways to drive people to the iTunes Store.
by thundert00th September 9, 2008 3:47 PM PDT
ya, i was hoping for a 64gb flash or just something a little more groundbreaking then 1 step forward and 2 steps back
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by zato_3 September 9, 2008 4:10 PM PDT
Dalmation28 wrote: "C-Net should give us information on what the new product can do...which unfortunately you did very little."

CNet will give you whatever propaganda will make you hate Apple and buy Microsoft.
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by madmofo September 9, 2008 4:12 PM PDT
I think the problem with apples announcement is that the new features are kind of cool, but none are worth buying a new ipod for. Microsoft on the other hand will be allowing people to upgrade there old zunes with the 3.0 software, and assuming it doesn't screw up anything else like the 2.~ software did, then that's good news for all zune owners. It may not encourage sales of new zunes, but if I'm thinking of buying a new mp3 player anyway, then the zune becomes very appealing since I don't have to worry about it becoming outdated within the next year. It may seem backword, but I think that Microsoft may actually be the ones with the more consumer friendly strategy.
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by grpaul349 September 11, 2008 10:05 PM PDT
Outdated within a year? Its outdated the day you buy it.
by 24Stephen September 9, 2008 4:30 PM PDT
I was really hoping for a larger capacity Ipod Touch! --- I will keep my classic another year. Apple you lost some from me this year! Apple are masters at insignificant changes....This plan will only go so far!
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by patrick_i September 9, 2008 6:02 PM PDT
More features does not a better product make. What improvements are you looking for? Bigger drives? FM Tuner? Bluetooth? Touchscreen? I think there is not much you can add to these things that would add value for a majority of the potential market. Technology-wise how much further can you take it? Except for the larger hard drives, all of those features add marginally better value for the FEW people who want them, while raising the cost and decreasing battery life. FM, who listens to that outside of a car or office anyway? Seriously. Bluetooth connectivity for headphones? Have you heard what one sounds like? It sucks and uses up too much battery life. A bigger drive on the Touch (and iPhone) would indeed be worthwhile but at what cost? Do you have a battery strong enough to power the screen, the drive and the wifi? In the Iphone you also have BT and 3G (horrible on a battery). These are Portable Music and Video players at their core. If you're going to ask for one or two "necessary features", which features would they be because certainly what's important to one person is different for another. Why not add every possible available feature to make every possible person happy? I mean someone out there considers at least one of these features "absolutely necessary" right? Why not add GPS, led backlighting, why not make every ipod a phone device as well, what about browser features which means you need wifi, why not 9 colors for the classic as well? What about a camera? Bluetooth of course. AM/FM definitely. What about a TV Tuner? Why not, we're going digital next year right? I think as consumers Americans always want more than they actually need (the land of the SUV).Truthfully, I think Apple is avoiding the trap that American car manufactures are in now. American car manufacturers put a lot of feature value into their cars (think Sync and OnStar and more features per dollar), but no one buys their cars. Why? Because as cars, they aren't very good or "desireable". People buy Toyota and Honda even thought they cost more and have fewer features compared to US cars because as cars, they are better and are more "desireable". As a music player, in my opinion, iPods are more "desireable" but not necessarily better. But they are pretty good.
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by hejish September 9, 2008 8:20 PM PDT
Apple product is flying off the shelves. Somebody is liking and buying the product. I find it amusing that people think that the stock goes down because the show of new features isn't "enough". Nearly always when Apple presents new products or features (or quarterly reports) the stock plummets because prior to the event it is run up and people pull out making a profit. The stock is likely to be back up soon.

I personally have tried the "genius" feature and have personally found it to be great - it is helping me to enjoy the music I already have. It lets me enjoy what I have and can "help" me buy even more music that I am likely to be interested in - the most direct marketing you can get, helping users sell to themselves. I suspect that this is going to generate some revenue for Apple.

Getting the ability to generate future revenue from more and more devices is valuable to Apple. Apple generating buzz, and selling devices to users that let Apple market to them better (to get them to buy more music) is genius.
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Matt Rosoff is an analyst with Directions on Microsoft, where he covers Microsoft's consumer products and corporate news. He's written about the technology industry since 1995 and reviewed the first Rio MP3 player for CNET.com in 1998. He's also a bass guitarist and an avid collector (and digitizer) of LP records. DISCLAIMER: This blog contains the personal opinions of the author and does not necessarily represent the opinions of his employers or of CNET Networks. As an IT industry analyst, the author occasionally agrees to nondisclosure agreements from Microsoft or other companies, and he will not violate the terms of such agreements on this blog.

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