Safari 4 a big step up, but not as far as rivals
With Safari 3, I admired Apple's chutzpah for bringing its browser to Windows. With the new Safari 4 beta, I'm actually starting to admire the browser, too.
A big user interface overhaul makes Safari look polished rather than clunky on Windows, builds in better search abilities, and makes good use of the fact that people often visit the same sites over and over.
However, the lack of something like the extensions architecture that Firefox pioneered still means Safari 4 (download for Windows and Mac OS X) is better only than Safari 3, not the competition.
Top Sites shows a 3D array of a person's most-visited sites. (Click to enlarge.)
(Credit: screenshot by Stephen Shankland/CNET Networks)The new software puts Safari 3's brushed-metal appearance on the scrap heap and bolts on a Windows-native appearance. I'm not one of those user interface conformists, but I found the brushed metal interface downright ugly on Windows, in part because of the blotchy font rendering.
Safari 4, though, generally looks slick. And I like its user interface, too, which through what appears to be a case of convergent evolution shares a lot with Google Chrome and some of Firefox's as well.
Safari 4's interface is similar to Google Chrome's, including tabs on the top and these mini-menus.
(Credit: screenshot by Stephen Shankland/CNET Networks)There's plenty of other new material, though, and Safari's snappy performance makes it a viable contender in the browser wars. Competition really is making the browser better, which is of immense importance as the computing industry moves to a cloud-computing future where applications run on the Web as well as on personal computers.
It's still curious that Apple thinks it's worthwhile to bring Safari to Windows. The company's high-end software, such as Aperture and Final Cut Pro, work only on Mac OS X. Very mainstream software such as iTunes and QuickTime work on Windows, too. iPhoto and other iLife programs in an intermediate realm only work on Mac OS X, though, indicating that Apple has limited appetite for the hassles of supporting a rival operating system.
I suspect that Apple concluded Safari for Windows could help the company tout its wares, possibly convincing Windows users that Apple has some software skills. And perhaps it's laying the groundwork for tighter integration with other Apple software, hardware, and Web services.
For a beta, the software is workable; I encountered one crash in a couple of hours' use.
User interface improvements
Like Chrome, Safari 4 puts all its tabs across the top of the screen, with no traditional title bar, with the address bar below and a row of bookmarks below that. Even the upper-right mini-menus are similar, with small icons for window management and tools. Also like Chrome, when a new tab or page is opened, Safari 4 will by default show an array of most frequently visited sites, a feature Apple calls Top Sites.
Pages in the Top Sites view can be moved, pinned, and deleted.
(Credit: screenshot by Stephen Shankland/CNET Networks)Those differences compared to regular browsers are subtle, but I got used to them in Chrome and concluded I like them. Safari has some differences, though.
For one thing, I'm a keyboard shortcut user, and Safari grants me access to its menu items by hitting the Alt key, which is standard Windows protocol but which is missing from Chrome. For another, Top Sites is much more sophisticated, not just because it has a fancy 3D view, but because you can choose how many mini-pages to show, move them around, "pin" the ones you like to a fixed position, and delete ones you don't want showing.
The Top Sites view indicates pages that have been updated with a blue star.
(Credit: screenshot by Stephen Shankland/CNET Networks)I like showing tabs at the top, which I think devotes proper prominence to the multiple browser views. But I have nits: the font is too dim, making it hard to see the tab text, and I don't care for how the tabs sprawl to claim as much real estate as possible, because for me it makes them actually harder to recognize as tabs. Perhaps I'll get used to that in time.
Happily, middle-clicking on a link opens the Web page in a new tab now rather than a new browser window, something that bugged me with Safari 3.
But Safari doesn't do something deeper with tabs that Google did with Chrome, isolate each into its own separate computing process. That isolation improves security and stability, though you pay a price in memory. Once Chrome offered it, I got annoyed when a problem that could have brought down a single misbehaving tab brought down my entire browser.
More eye candy
Another example besides Top Sites of Apple's polished user interface is the Cover Flow interface to browser history. I'm not a big user of history, so this looks cosmetic more than useful to me, but if you are going to use it, perhaps the visual images will help you find what you need more rapidly than scanning a list of text. A text search box also helps retrieve information.
More helpful by far is the Smart Address Field, which like Firefox 3's Awesome Bar suggests Web addresses from your history and bookmarks when you start typing. It's a much more effective way of returning to earlier sites than scrolling through text history lists.
Safari 4 gets a Cover Flow interface for looking at browser history. (Click to enlarge.)
(Credit: screenshot by Stephen Shankland/CNET Networks)Given Apple's user interface chops, it's interesting the company didn't go as far as Chrome by integrating Web search in the address field. Instead, Safari still has a separate search field to the right of the address bar. Now, though, it's got what Apple calls the Smart Search Field, which is a fancy brand name for using Google Suggest to show possible options when you start typing. Google, Yahoo, and Microsoft all like this feature on their search engines, and I like it this way too: it can save you a few keystrokes, and sometimes it can even help you find material when you don't know exactly how to spell it.
Smart Search Assist uses Google Suggest to streamline search.
(Credit: screenshot by Stephen Shankland/CNET Networks)Like rival browsers, Safari now can magnify or shrink the entire Web page--graphics and text--which is nice for those sites with microscopic type or for when you're showing a site to somebody farther away or dealing with a computer with super-tiny pixels. (Of course, such zooming also can reveal how inflexibly designed a Web page is.)
Skin deep?
User interface improvements aren't just superficial changes. People care about appearance, and making things faster and better adapted to actual humans is important. Kudos to Apple for making Safari look and often work better.
On a deeper level, it's good that the Safari 4 beta also offers better performance. Apple makes a variety of boasts with page-loading speed and, by virtue of its new Nitro engine previously known as Webkit's Squirrelfish, faster JavaScript execution. I can confirm the SunSpider JavaScript speed test runs in less than two thirds the time as on Safari 3, a big improvement, and performance likely will increase more once the final version is released. Check back for more coverage today on detailed performance results.
However, while the user interface improvements overall catch Safari up to the competition and in some cases surpass it, the fact that extensions are missing is an egregious oversight given how powerful Mozilla has shown them to be with Firefox. Not only do they improve the user experience and enable many new features, but they're an excellent way to attract developers and users to your browser. Unsupported options such as PimpMySafari aren't likely to match a real add-on ability.
Stephen Shankland writes about a wide range of technology and products, but has a particular focus on browsers and digital photography. He joined CNET News in 1998 and since then also has covered Google, Yahoo, servers, supercomputing, Linux and open-source software, and science. E-mail Stephen, or follow him on Twitter at http://www.twitter.com/stshank. 






Uhm ... if the iPod, iPhone, and OS X have not yet convinced Windows users that Apple has "some software skills", then it seems unlikely to me that Safari is going to help them figure it out.
As a Mac user with a Christ complex, I personally think the core issue is that hardcore Windows users have an inferiority complex, and often project their feelings of inferiority on Apple products out of sheer jealousy. For example, they complain about the "Apple Updater" that gets installed with Safari, yet fail to notice the "Windows Malicious Software Removal Tool", which ironically could be classified as malicious software that is forcibly installed with Internet Explorer, without prior consent of the user. Classic case of denial.
Over the years, CNET was particularly negative in their coverage of Apple because that was the cool thing to do-- until Steve Jobs regained his cult-of-personality status. Now they bend over ass-backward to cover Apple. And yet, they still act as though Safari is only made for Windows. I have yet to read a comparison of Safari vs. Firefox et al on Mac OS X.
I believe that your "Mac troll brigade" comments are misplaced. As far as I can tell, Mr. Dee isn't much of a Mac fan, at all. From comments that he's made in the past, it appears that he's a diehard Windows user who proclaims that he is much more productive using Windows rather than any other OS (including Mac OS X and various flavours of Linux). Perhaps most striking are his comments in which he stridently defends Vista. Check his posting history to see for yourself.
As for Mr. Dee's complaints about Stephen Shankland's article, I believe he's saying that any complaints about a modern browser are trivial when compared to the primitive browser technology from the "old days". So, he figures that everyone should just be thankful that Safari 4.0 is an overall improvement over its predecessor.
First, IE is bundled with Windows, so there is no downloading it. Windows Malicious Software Removal Tool is also a part of Windows, it gets updated every Tuesday through Windows Update, and runs in the background to scan for exactly what it is named for. It isn't an application that has other uses, it protects me. The Apple Updater was never the issue, as it is already on gillions of Windows machines with iTunes. It was Safari being forced onto people's computer's through an iTunes update with the Apple Updater.
What does Safari do? It's a web browser, how does it protect my computer? I decide what applications and programs get installed on my computer. I do not enjoy it when I am using iTunes and all of a sudden Safari just shows up with an iTunes update, forcing a browser on me. That is not even close to WMSRT, because Safari has no other function that just being one of Apple's applications that they want people to use. If I wanted to use it I would download it. Apple seriously damaged Safari's reputation for me by forcing it on my computer, it will never be on my computer ever again for that reason. I know I am not alone in this, when I start getting messages from friends (who are not tech savy) asking me what the hell this Safari thing is that just "appeared" on their computer out of no where. To me, that is malicious software.
I feel sad for you
you are a Mac fanboy, you try to think that Macs are better, but they aren't accept it
many local Mac users have already switched to Win7 Beta, its awesome, maybe the only thing better than a good Linux Distro
I as a Win/Linux person do not feel any bit inferior, I feel sad for you since my $600 Gaming PC beat a top of the line iMac in every test and costs more than a thousand less. The difference between PC hardware and Mac hardware is NOTHING other than a chip that Apple uses to restrict the OS, stop going on about quality, if you take your mac apart, it uses the same components as my PC, and is of no better quality.
No crashes so far.
All in all... It's certainly not a dramatic overhaul, but I like the new eye candy none the less.
The new 'Top Sites' feature is definitely the most noticeable, but after looking at Apple's 150 new features (http://www.apple.com/safari/features.html), I'm even more impressed...mainly with the stuff that doesn't pop out at first glance.
My bad.
I don't really care too much about extensions, so that issue is moot for me. I have glimmerblocker installed, and that gets rid of ads on all browsers. I'm not sure if integrating the search bar into the address bar is a good idea; I kind of like being able to specify whether I'm doing a search or if I'm trying to get to a specific address (so I also hope FF keeps their bars separate).
Yes, I too was looking for it and couldn't find it in Customize Toolbar menu. So I started doing a Command-R to refresh until I noticed the icon to the right of RSS.
So far so good with it and I will probably adapt to the differences from Safari v3 soon enough.
And all the similarities to Chrome are fantastic for us Mac users, since Chrome beta doesn't come to OS X until June.
Apple says it is 30x faster than IE. In my opinion most browsers are better than IE.
For people who don't use Firefox extensions (most everyday users) it is faster than firefox.
I don't know about speed compared to chrome but it is very fast and IMO is better than chrome due to the better UI.
Crashes that bring down the whole browser is a trade off, as you said, with the much more resource intensive option of having each tab be it's own process. The upside is that you can restore all windows from the previous session after a crash, so why is this such a big deal? You can also close the offending tab before it crashes the browser in most cases.
And while I don't use the middle click thing, I would assume that it is not that it couldn't open the link in a new tab instead of a new window, it's that you didn't set the preferences to do that. I could be wrong, but I don't think I am (my mouse has no middle button, so I can't test it). My guess is the only thing that changed is the default state of this option in Safari 4. ;)
@SeizeCTRL: yes, the single process space is a weakness of Firefox, too. I don't often have problems with browser crashes, but when I do, it's a pain. I spend a lot of time doing a lot of work in a browser.
Everything is good though! I'd like to see the Top Sites icon view integrated with the bookmarks bar as I don't find Top Sites all that useful in itself. Speed...good! Dynamic searching....good! Safari 4....goooood!
So, please, do tell what you're comparing.
But what other browser has HTML 5 and CSS 3 implemented? Not Firefox! And definitely not IE (whoops I just puked a little in my mouth thinking about that browser). The web will be better once all the major browser supports those technologies!
It's because of HTML 5 that offline Gmail on the iPhone is easily feasible!! The IE team needs to do what Ballmer suggested a while back: use Webkit as its rendering engine!!
How about erm. Firefox 3.1 Beta which has been out for a while now....
The fact is, a lot of the CSS 3 standard is still in development, see "http://www.w3.org/Style/CSS/current-work#table". So, neither Safari or Firefox or anything can claim 100% support.
Don't get me wrong. It's very cool to make the javascript engine more efficient, but it is what it is. It's not like the rest of the browser features got the boost and things do tend to be limited by bandwidth on most things. In other words what I'm getting at is that yes, it's cool, BUT apple will make a bigger deal out of this than it is. It's not like everything is faster, or youtube will be quicker with the video part. But they will hail it as the fastest browser. And the javascript portion is rightfully so for NOW, but it wasn't months back and it probably won't be 6 months from now. I do expect firefox to do an update eventually. As for ie7, that's pretty much ancient with ie8 and Windows 7 around the corner which was released before this as a beta. Point being that everything is quickly changing as it always does and no one company stays ahead for long.
You can also fix the tabs so they work like the last version. (But give it a week. It might grow on you.)
Type this into terminal:
defaults write com.apple.Safari DebugSafari4TabBarIsOnTop -bool NO
If you want to go back to tabs on tip, change NO to YES.
It's good to know I can change that if I ever feel the need to.
2) You can take a chance and edit the plist to allow it to work.
Control-click on a closed copy of the 1P app.
/Applications/1Password.app/Contents/Resources/SupportedBrowsers.plist
Open the SupportedBrowsers.plist.
See:
</dict>
<key>Safari</key>
<dict>
<key>ClassName</key>
<string>OPWebKitPlugin</string>
<key>InternetPlugin</key>
<true/>
<key>MaxBundleVersion</key>
<string>5529</string>
<key>MinBundleVersion</key>
<string>412</string>
<key>PluginName</key>
<string>WebKitExtension</string>
<key>BundleIdentifier</key>
<string>com.apple.Safari</string>
<key>Extension</key>
<dict>
Edit the "maxbundleversio" number. I just put in 9999 'cause I live on the edge.
This number above is the number for new Safari 4b.
Scott
Thanks for the answer on how to go back to default!
A Happy Macbook user after 20 years of PC Windows!!!
On the other hand, Safari 4 for Mac is pretty much a no-brainer for Mac users (I'm guessing it'll be part of Snow Leopard). It's the Windows folks who need convincing that it might be interesting.
Had the US Justice done it properly, the browser market could be 5 years ahead today.
what hacker broke into w3schools?
http://marketshare.hitslink.com/report.aspx?qprid=0
It currently shows IE at 68%
I use firefox a lot for that (with web-development add-ons obviously) but Chrome is the winner to me when is about casual browsing. Mostly because of my habits include to recover my last session when I re-open the browser or search directly in the address bar for instance - I can't find those options on Safari 4 beta.
I know, I can go to the History menu to reopen all windows from last session, but why so many clicks when I have it instantly on firefox or chrome? And I know that when I start typing on the Safari address bar, some logical options will appear on a drop-down list but is not the same as 'searching'.
Anyway, this is going to be bad news for slower browsers (ejem...IE) and very good for us, customers and web developers.
When you say something like that, please show us the data. May be 1 second is longer than 2 seconds in your little world, just saying.
- by monkeyfun14 February 24, 2009 2:46 PM PST
- This just screams Chrome rip off
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- by rollcage February 24, 2009 3:21 PM PST
- Didn't Google say they WANTED people to take their ideas when they released the browser? That it was the company's way of spurring change?
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- by t8 February 24, 2009 3:44 PM PST
- Probably because Microsoft rips off Apple all the time and Apple rips off some or less of the time.
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- by Synthmeister February 24, 2009 4:12 PM PST
- Chrome rip off? Are you forgetting that Chrome, Palm Pre and Nokia are all using the Safari Webkit rendering engine which Apple developed from the Konqueror browser?
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- by random truth February 24, 2009 5:12 PM PST
- You can also point out that chrome is using Apples rendering engine.
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- by monkeyfun14 February 24, 2009 6:04 PM PST
- @t8
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- by seven7dust February 24, 2009 6:53 PM PST
- @monkeyfun14
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- by DrtyDogg February 25, 2009 3:13 AM PST
- He said, " that Apple didn't take from someone else?"
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- by seven7dust February 25, 2009 4:09 AM PST
- @drtdogg plzz do list a few ?
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- by Mark_Anderson February 25, 2009 4:49 AM PST
- Err, 7dust....
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Showing 1 of 3 pages (126 Comments)But of course since Apple did it they hear nothing
If MS did this you fanboys wouldn't let them hear the end of it.
Apple is simply using open standards here, like HTML 5, CSS, Javascript, H.264, etc.
So why do we need Flash and Silverlight and IE?
Show me something MS ripped off of Apple that Apple didn't take from someone else?
how about the app store MS recently announced
sure you an say that it's a common sense feature
but Apple did it first and MS is ripping them off !
Sometimes the greatest innovations r also the simplest !
another example is the whole Zune platform and zune store idea !
there's many more examples but that'll do for now !
I know many cell phone carriers that had app stores prior to the iPhone.
the list goes on, but that will do for now.
Nokia,Samsung,Microsft RIM and many others r starting their
own application stores !
So if they had them before why r they doing it now all of a sudden ?
If you need more examples, here's a few !
how about web slices in IE, then there's safari's RSS integration and interface !
Vista's calendar was a bloated rip-off of ICal with a different color scheme
the places feature in windows explorer, another big rip-off of finder !
Screenshoting in windows 7 again a Feature OSX has had for many years !
even the Vista chess game was a copy ! Lol !
the list goes on and on !!! and all this is only on the O.S side of things !
MS copying Apple is obviously a good thing for everyone involved
Cause more people use Windows than OSX ,it therefore benefits more people !
plus now it'll be easier for people to switch cause
the interfaces r becoming more and more similar as time goes by !
if you need futher proof of MS's Apple complex
they r even following them into retail ,
I know it's sad to see MS become a directionless sheep company, but it's true !
Nokia had Download! and N-Gage way before Apple's app store. Trouble was they suck in comparison which is why Nokia have had to launch the Ovi store. The App store isn't an innovation, it's an improvement.
As for screenshotting, am I missing something or has this been in every version of Windows from day one?
yes screenshoting has been there in windows for a long time
but the new implementation is a lot like OSX, where you can select a certain part of the screen
I know it's as stupid comparison, but still OSX had it first !
I agree that there's no point playing the copying game in software,
everyone copies after all... even Apple and Google do it !
but MS just seems to do it more than others and
seems to have lost the ability to create new ideas and technologies !
MS is suffering from the "Ballmer effect" . Hopefully he leaves soon !