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February 27, 2009 12:41 PM PST

Rumor: Another Kindle on the way?

by David Carnoy
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The Irex 1000 line: add white for Kindle of the future?

(Credit: Irex)

Back when the rumors of a Kindle 2 started last year, there was also some chatter about a larger form factor Kindle that would be designed partially for the educational market. Well, now that the Kindle 2 has arrived, the rumor mill is churning again with blog posts about a larger form factor Kindle 3 that has a touch screen.

The initial report comes from DigiTimes, which says sources within Prime View International (PVI), the makers of the Kindle's electrophoretic display (EPD), claim Amazon's next Kindle will launch by the end of this year and will be "larger in size and equipped with touch functions."

Such a product actually exists already; it's made by Irex, it has a 10.2-inch touch screen, and I wrote about it way back in September of last year. The Irex Digital Reader 1000S is currently available for a whopping $859.

We assume Amazon would be able to come out with a model that carries a lower, more reasonable price tag. But there are probably some serious challenges to get the price down anywhere near to where the current Kindle 2 sits--and already a lot of people think the Kindle 2 is expensive at $359.

It's worth noting that in its post, Engadget cites a Plastic Logic 8.5 x 11-inch touch-screen eBook reader as a potential partner for Amazon (see image below with Photoshopped logo). That type of device seems more in keeping with Amazon's thinner, slicker Kindle 2 design.

Personally, I think all this stuff is a long way off. End of the year maybe, but most likely 2010.

Comments?

Digitimes via Mobile Read via Engadget.

A fantasy mock-up of Plastic Logic's Kindle 3.

(Credit: Engadget)
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by xZero2007x February 27, 2009 1:38 PM PST
The timing of this article came right around when I was already dreaming about an educational version of the Kindle. Though I'd probably stick to actual texts for studying, it wouldn't hurt having a much more portable version to carry around with you. It was around here when I was thinking about how I've already made some PDFs for my N810 and Mini 9, and wished ebooks for texts existed.
I do agree with you on the point that we'll most likely be seeing something like this *next year...* If they wanted to target those from the education segment, I'd imagine they'd try keeping prices down. And *if* the rumored Kindle were to be equipped with a touch screen *with* writing in mind (notes, notations, etc.), I'd doubt the technology would be cheap enough to produce without too many compromises...
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by forever4now February 27, 2009 2:04 PM PST
I saw a demo of the Plastic Logic reader on YouTube. It looks awesome!

I hope they eventually offer a version of it running Android. It would be nice to be able to access & read email, etc. with it.
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by john94857 February 27, 2009 2:24 PM PST
I read about the "Plastic Logic" reader in time recently too (see post by forever4now) above. It looks interesting though that will take a while.

Kindle 2 is interesting, but I am still waiting for these books to be DRM free. It's just so much easier and "thought-free" when I don't have to worry about DRM and how I use something. The higher the resolution, the better it is too. We are nowhere near true 300-dpi but that's a technical limitation at this point.

Speaking of DRM-free, Amazon does have an awesome MP3 store that is DRM-free with a large selection and often good prices. It would be nice if they had the same thing with books.

On the note about Amazon, I recently came across an interesting table that details the discounts on Amazon. Maybe someone will find it useful too. It's at http://www.uberi.com

Anyway, Amazon appears to be quite serious this time. The media coverage is helping for sure. We will probably see faster advancements in this area in the near future as competition heats up.
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by JoeG3 February 27, 2009 4:01 PM PST
I use a slightly older and slightly smaller Irex Illiad. I convert a lot of pdfs that I read to mobi to get a nice view on the Illiad. (saves reems of paper!) The Irex also allows for zoom and pan of pdfs, which is a little time consuming, but works well. I had a first generation Kindle for a time (sold it); the mechanical and electrical quality of the IRex devices is FAR higher than the construction of the Kindle. On the other hand the iRex displays are fragile. On just one trip I picked up a scratch (I hear cracks are not uncommon too). Eventually this type of display will probably become more robust, or manufacturers will offer better covers to protect the display.
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by Inconnux February 27, 2009 5:37 PM PST
I can't believe they are still pushing the Kindle. $50 is the max anyone should pay for a text reader.
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by lilkid2 March 1, 2009 6:31 AM PST
$50, huh? I'm sorry if you're jobless, but $50 is just not a lot of money. $50 doesn't even begin to pay for the materials required to build an e-reader. Now, get off the computer at the Apple store and go back to your box in the alley behind the mall. They can't very well sell those "overpriced" gadgets with a smelly, jobless hobo like yourself hogging up all the internet capable display models.
by make_or_break March 2, 2009 6:06 AM PST
lilkid2: ouch...though I admit I was thinking EXACTLY the same thing.
by b_baggins March 2, 2009 8:25 AM PST
It may not pay for the materials, but the fact is that's probably the sweet spot for a text reading device. Which is why, media and Amazon hype to the contrary, Amazon probably sold 100,000 Kindles, if they were lucky and will probably sell about the same number of Kindle 2.
by Inconnux March 2, 2009 6:56 PM PST
let me put this into perspective... about 1 1/2 yrs ago I purchased a Palm T|X for the same price. It has an SD slot, wireless internet, portable keyboard, MP3 player and a pile of programs that I use daily. I can fit it in my top pocket and it has a pretty decent COLOR screen. I have read several books off it and have gone through several audio books. Now what do you get with the kindle that even remotely compares... so go ahead and insult, because $50 is the most anyone should pay for a black/white text reader... a text reader could EASILY be built for under 50, I can buy a DVD player for less, then a simple text reader should be no problem.

hmm as for the apple store, when my current laptop dies (getting close now!) I do plan to go their and check out the new models (hoping for a macbook pro!)
by Rod Roddy February 27, 2009 6:33 PM PST
Who designs these monstrosities? Bezos had better take a page from Steve Jobs book on design...oh I forgot, Amazon wants to get rid of books.
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by Larry_Smyrna February 28, 2009 12:25 AM PST
Got the new Kindle 2 and sorry but I can't live without it. There is NOTHING like "LISTENING" to Jackie Christian's sexy porno books from the Kindle store on this new Kindle 2 trust me.
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by missyli February 28, 2009 8:39 AM PST
Until Kindles can display full color they'll never top traditional text especially in K-12 market were many of the textbooks have big, beautiful color pictures. Sorry but 16 colors of gray scale isn't going to cut it.
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by make_or_break March 2, 2009 6:11 AM PST
Is ANYONE building devices using color e-ink that's actually AFFORDABLE? I saw an article on Wired a few weeks ago that said that Fujitsu was taking a stab at it...but at $900 a pop somehow I think it ain't happenin'...
by rastafria March 1, 2009 7:31 AM PST
IMHO the e-book reader is the next MP3 player. These devices are at a point similar to the iPod's of the past, where technical limitations still exist (mechanical HD and expensive flash back then, display tech here) and adoption is reasonably high for a new technology but not quite booming.

As a graduate student looking to get away from the computer while saving the paper, time associated with printing, and mess of papers lying around, I would absolutely LOVE a full sized reader (vs. smaller ones that can't handle academic journal content very well, even when you cut it up). The only choices are the iRex for $$$$, or sacrificing battery, weight and readability with a tablet PC, or waiting roughly a year for the Plastic Logic and potentially other more affordable devices of the iRex's size. A year is a long damn time.

The new eee tablet looks promising, but again, that would still involve sacrifices.

Anyhow, these things will be huge. It is nearly guaranteed. Arguments on price are ridiculous. Do you know how much the original iPod cost? Do you know how large the book market is compared to music? How about the difference between a stack of textbooks and a stack of CDs? These devices will be incredibly helpful. They won't replace books of course, but they will be an excellent convenient method of reading for many of us.
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by 4dthinker March 1, 2009 3:11 PM PST
My Kindle 2 has also arrived. Although I could live without it, it has already simplified my life. A larger screen isn't needed unless you can fit it on the kindle 2's body. Right now the Kindle 2.0 fits perfectly in my coat pocket. Color or 256 gray shades would be better, but the current 16 shades is enough to keep most photos easily recognizable and alot smaller in file size. I've put every document I have to refer to on a daily basis onto it. I can now leave my brief case at home. With the keyboard and web browser I've even been able to access my webmail. I can forward any email with a PDF or DOC attachment to my Kindle email and get the attachment sent directly back to the Kindle where I can view it. I put a couple MP3 formatted lectures on it as well, and with the text-to-speech feature in play have been able to let students who missed a class listen to my notes or actual lecture without bothering the rest of the class. All it needs is more memory and perhaps a microphone with voice recording.
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by tlh2007 March 2, 2009 1:06 AM PST
I really don't care if it's $500 or not... It would be great for the educational sector. I spend at least that much every SEMESTER on regular textbooks for college. I would definitely use one of these, especially since it would practically pay for itself after a couple semesters.
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by batpox March 2, 2009 9:45 AM PST
How right you are! what a huge savings for the educational sector; no more obsolete books! One 10 ounce gadget holds all your books from kindergarten through grad school! One thing the non-Kindle commentors don't understand; you really need something like e-Ink. It is not like your laptop display - you can read it in the brightest sunlight and it has very high dpi - like paper. However it is a new and still-expensive technology and they're still working on color, form factor, ruggedness, etc. So we're going to have to wait until the technology catches up a bit.
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