Report: Ballmer disses on Apple
What's the difference between a Mac and a PC?
According to comments reportedly made by Microsoft CEO Steve Ballmer: $500 and a logo.
Ballmer, according to a report in TechFlash, issued his fighting words during his keynote speech at Media Summit 2009 in New York.
When asked about Apple's market share growth in computers, Ballmer reportedly responded with a barb to his competitor, according to TechFlash:
Apple gained about one point, but now I think the tide has really turned back the other direction.
The economy is helpful. Paying an extra $500 for a computer in this environment - same piece of hardware - paying $500 more to get a logo on it? I think that's a more challenging proposition for the average person than it used to be.
Although Apple had a 6 percent drop in retail sales in January, compared with year-ago figures, PC makers encountered even greater difficulty.
Ballmer, however, has also been known to throw cold water on his own company. When discussing Microsoft's ranking in online advertising and search, he's quick to note his company lags far behind Google.
Dawn Kawamoto covers enterprise security and financial news relating to technology for CNET News. E-mail Dawn. 
Apple hasn't been on the cutting edge of anything, except realizing that the OS they wrote (-OS9) was such a piece of crap that they couldn't even use it, and like those that can't had to cut and paste from those that could (BSD)
And let the car analogies go. Apple uses the same parts as everyone else. No difference. They may charge Mercedes prices, but it is the exact same Kia parts that everyone else uses. Just ask Intel
There is nothing else to be said. Macs are worth every penny. The Apple tax is a myth. Ballmer is an idiot. Anyone that uses a PC deserves one. I won't try to convert you. I will just sit back and watch in amusement.
I have not encountered one virus in all those years. Maybe I am too busy performing productive work on my Windows PC while you spend too much time surfing porn and warez websites.
Every version of Windows I have owned/run will work on every past and current PC that I have owned. Can you say the same for MacOS, which changes its software and hardware architecture at the drop of the hat?
Every Windows PC I have owned has been upgradeable, thus extending its lifespan and keeping electronics from ending up in the landfill. You cannot say the same about the barely upgradeable Macs; most of them are useless 1 year after purchase. Apple advertises a bunch of "green computer" nonsense, but since you cannot upgrade most of their computers, they are very harmful for the environment in the long run.
Well if your Mac is a Mercedes, I can purchase or assemble myself (It is nice to have a choice with Windows PCs) a "Space Shuttle" of a PC. With that super Windows PC, I can play the modern sophisticated games, crunch intense mathematical jobs, process high definition pictures and video, run a commercial SQL database (or open source for that matter), develop software with modern development tools, etc, etc, etc. Oh, and I can surf the web and send email just like your little Mac.
People really need to get over the whole virus thing. Guys like, and others that have already comments, won't get a virus no matter what OS we use. It's all a matter of how you use the system and not doing really stupid things. Any computer can get a virus. The pro-Mac side wants to let the world believe that's just not possible for a Mac to get a virus, ever. That's not true. People that do get viruses are just as likely to get a virus no matter what system they use because of the carefree way they use their system. Yes, it's less likely to happen on a system/platform that has less market share. I'd like to see a rate of virus infection rather than raw numbers.
You can upgrade the motherboard, ram, media drive, and HD on Macs... including their laptops.
Also.. it is well know that they have a long life.. not just because the people that own them actually "like" them... but they are very durable. That's why my primary computer is still my 1 Ghz g4 12 inch powerbook with only 23 mb video ram. I run the latest Mac OS in it... will all of the eye candy.. with 0 problems. I also have 10.4 loaded on my daughters blue imac that is about 10 years old.
I have fun with the platform bashing too.... believe me.. but it's irritating when people don't know what the hell they are talking about.
Comments like "not upgradable" or "no software for Macs" (you didn't say it but some turd will) are based on how it may have been 10 years ago.. and only make us Mac fanbois want to troll even more.
The fact that Macs have a better over-all design isn't news...... they are lighter, sturdier, and better looking (a matter of opinion) than anything else out there.. it just is. Don't blame Apple.. blame yourself for buy Dell and letting them become complacent over the years.
Apple thinks about the little details.... from putting ports on the side of their laptops for easy access... to magsafe power adapters...to usb ports on their keyboards.
Remember when Dell finally put USB ports in on the front of their desktops.. ? Also remember that they made them "upside down", angled downward.. and put a cover over them that only partially opened so you had to get on you knees anyway? ... Nice design. Kind of like my XPS which makes you force the drive doors closed because the open/close button is located UNDER the drive door...
Uh, at least Apple did have the common sense to realize they needed to replace OS9. Too bad MS has never the same common sense. Once again Ballmar shows he really doesn't have a clue.
And Apple doesn't claim to be cutting edge. All they do is give the consumer what they want in a package that doesn't require you to carry around a ten pound manual just to figure out how to use it.
And you should be more careful with your analogies. There is a big difference here. With OS X you get a software package that allows most people to be productive without buying additional software. I used Windows for many years and I can tell you that to achieve the same capability with Windows you would have to spend several hundred dollars in addition to the OS. And by the way, have you priced a full top of the line full version of each OS?
I do have to say the virus thing is blown out of proportion. There is no such thing as a completely secure OS. The idiot at the keyboard can circumvent the best security measures in the world.
Uh, at least Apple did have the common sense to realize they needed to replace OS9. Too bad MS has never the same common sense. Once again Ballmar shows he really doesn't have a clue.
And Apple doesn't claim to be cutting edge. All they do is give the consumer what they want in a package that doesn't require you to carry around a ten pound manual just to figure out how to use it.
And you should be more careful with your analogies. There is a big difference here. With OS X you get a software package that allows most people to be productive without buying additional software. I used Windows for many years and I can tell you that to achieve the same capability with Windows you would have to spend several hundred dollars in addition to the OS. And by the way, have you priced a full top of the line full version of each OS?
I do have to say the virus thing is blown out of proportion. There is no such thing as a completely secure OS. The idiot at the keyboard can circumvent the best security measures in the world.
The fallacy of this is that the OS's are different, with different philosophies and different objectives: Windows OS is generally made for the Enterprise and top-down IT support groups, whereas Mac OS is more consumer-focused, self-help "bottom up".
In the broadest sense, there is no clearly "right" or "wrong" conclusion: they're merely different. Its like one guy saying that sports cars suck because they don't have the cargo carrying capacity of an SUV while another guy says that SUVs suck because they lack the handling performance of a sports car.
In the end, they're both merely tools to get various jobs done. Afterall, the only utility that a PC has without software or OS is to generate heat, and an electric spaceheater is a lot cheaper than using a PC to heat a room. From there, the question of which one is 'better' then depends on what you're going to use the tool to accomplish.
Finally, while a lot of PC tinkerers like to throw darts at Apple for the hardware architecture of all-in-one iMac, the simple reality is that most people today buy notebooks, which are similarly all-in-one machines that lack upgradability too. IIRC, the latest numbers are that over 50% of PC sales are now notebooks and on the Mac side, its 70%. As such, all of the 'need for expandability' arguments are increasingly being relegated to an increasingly smaller niche.
Similarly, since mobile CPUs are fine for 50-70% of consumers (currently buying laptops), then what's the big deal of having desktops that use the same mobile CPU chips too? It should be obvious that most people simply don't need more power. And again, the cutting edge of performance is being relegated to an increasingly smaller niche of the overall market.
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Am I the only one who thinks Ballmer is a complete idiot who should never have been left in charge of Microsoft???
Makes me miss Bill Gates
You're saying Windows isn't designed for the consumer? Don't you see all those commercials with 4 year olds wizzing through windows, making photos, etc. I mean come on it's so simple even a 4 year old could do it. And we all know they wouldn't advertise things unless they were true.
I mean I'm sure there's 4 year olds everywhere taking pictures putting them on the web, etc. And I bet pretty soon they'll be working for newspapers, and magazines, and we'll even see little 4 year old paparazzi (they work cheap, real cheap). All made possible by Windows. Not Mac. You have to be at least 5 to figure out how to use a Mac.
Its not necessarily that Windows isn't designed for the consumer inasmuch as it is most certainly designed FOR the ecosystem of the Corporate IT Department who has been told to manage a fleet of PCs in an Enterprise environment.
MS has been very successful in nailing down the fact that their "CUSTOMER" isn't the person sitting behind the keyboard, but instead, is the decision-maker up in the IT Department making decisions on Corporate purchases.
Once we make this connection, it goes a long ways to realizing why MS-Vista's adoption rate is still <25% despite nearly 2.5 years since release: business isn't buying Vista. Afterall, Vista's adoption rate of <25% in over 2+ years means that its at roughly half of what it should be, given a typical PC lifespan of 5 years.
With the growth in Apple's share and it being focused on the consumer (not Enterprise), the MS reaction has been to try to compete against Apple for this market share ... they believe that they have (and continue to have) an absolute lock on the Enterprise market, and thus have no reason to market to the converted.
Thus, we end up with the current marketing campaign that is using the little kids to (allegedly) show how easy it is to download some pics from a camera, etc....generic 'consumer' stuff.
More power to them ... but from a truth in marketing perspective, let's see that same kid go configure a new POP mail account in MS-Outlook from scratch. Or navigate his way through a 'Patch Tuesday'.
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1. Endless antivirus/antispyware subscription requirements--free or otherwise, that are resource hogs, require constant monitoring, etc.
2. Endless patches to fix holes that left unpatched lead to the zombification of your computer, stolen credit card numbers, id theft, etc.
3. Poorly designed software that makes it difficult to do the most basic of tasks. (read: Microsoft Office)
4. OS architecture that insists on being backward compatible no matter what the cost. and gets bigger/slower with each subsequent 'upgrade'
5. Mysterious issues that lead one program to interfere with another for no apparent reason that are unresolvable. I could write pages of examples, but I will spare you the gory details.
I could list many more but it's not worth any more effort to address Ballmer, aka, 'Uncle Fester's' stupid comments.
#2: If you're having a problem with that, you're doing it wrong.
#3: Seeing as how Office is available on the Mac, I fail to see your point. You're not required to use Office on Windows. There are plenty of alternatives.
#4: I bet you were one of the people that complained about Vista not being backwards compatible but when they tried to make it backwards compatible, you complain that its too big because of it.
#5: I have a feeling that the Mac OS X doesn't avoid software incompatibilities either. There are probably more on Windows due to a) more software, b) more hardware, c) more users. When you have about 8x more marketshare, I'd expect there to be on average, 8x more problems in that pool of users.
#2 Technically the Mac is in the same boat. You can't say that the Mac would never need a patch to avoid such zombification. Frequent? That might be valid. But, again, there are a whole lot more people banging away at the PC. But, exposure to this is more a function of how careless you are.
#3 This completely unrelated to the OS. In fact, I'd saw that MS has done more to help streamline this than any other company. But, I'd have to take you back to the DOS days and what MS did to move the world to Win 3.1. A lot of things the Mac UI takes for granted now.
#4 I know MANY pro-Mac people feel the opposite. They have felt the sting of Apple's dropping of support for past hardware; almost a mandate that if they wanted to continue to use the Mac OS platform that they had to buy new hardware from Apple. Ouch. Talk about a lack of customer loyalty. We've seen Apple do this with the iPods now too.
#5 Heh. Having done desktop support for the Macs in an advertising department for 5 years I can tell you the Mac is far from immune from this same thing. In fact, it was not uncommon to have to reinstall the OS almost yearly to clear these "mysterious issues" as you put it. I even want to training course to get better as servicing Macs. The trainer even said scheduled periodic installing of the OS was good practice. I was floored. Yeah, I know. The pro-Macs on this forum will flame me on this point. You've run your Macs for 500 million years without ever having to so much as reboot. YMMV
All this hate for Ballmer and MS. Everyone loves to say how much MS doesn't get it. Hmmm... Who's got more money in the bank? If Apple is right, and the pro-Mac people are right, and MS doesn't get it, and the 94% of the market doesn't get it along with MS, but still sends their money to MS - - who's really right??? MS get's it enough to get 94% of the market to shop with them. If anything, the pro-Mac types need to target the pro-PC types. MS is a business first and foremost. They'll get whatever gets them money. 94% thinks they get it enough to keep shopping with them.
Typical windows IT admin response to blame the user.
An OS should be designed to work for you.. Windows is needy. The only maintenance the Mac OS "needs" is what it does automatically (defrag.. log management)... and the occasional permissions repair.
Keeping windows afloat requires more energy than it's worth. Having said that... I have not used Vista yet..but do plan on moving to 7 after its first service pack. So.. hopefully that has changed.
2: auto update
3: huh? even Mac users use Office, you do too
4: They aren't always backward compatible, I have had no problems yet though, I like backward compatibility, its one of the most useful features you can have. Win7 is smaller and faster than Vista, offers many more features at a near XP resource use.
5: that happens on Macs too, it happens more on Windows PC because there are more Windows PC's to have it happen on
The idea that OS X is better protected than Windows is constantly shown to be false, yet people like you ignore the facts and continue to feel invincible.
Then again, so long as Windows dominates the OS market, there's not a good reason to concentrate on Apple, unless writing a virus is significantly easier and the rate of successful infections is 10-15x that of Windows. If they can't do one or both of those things, then they'll make more money attacking 85-90% of the market instead 5-10%.
It's simple math.
And FYI, I rarely encounter attacks on Windows (XP, Vista and 7). If you don't do stupid things, you'll avoid 99% of the problems.
No one in that company outside of Jobs has show any signs of leadership. I guarantee that after Jobs leaves, Apple will need an outside person to keep that ship afloat.
you have no idea what you are talking about
@BogusBasin
one usb port? innovation? more like stupid shortcut to a thinner notebook.
@jbcahill
and Apple gets that cash by charging $500 extra on their Macs
Even Apple has recognized this and is lowering the price of their iMac line to accomidate the recession. So, Kudos to Ballmer for taking the offensive a little bit and going after apple. I hope Microsoft will challenge their popularity a little bit and start some innovation of their own. Windows 7 is a good start now lets see some new hardware!
I think you should have said "with the advent of Windows 7 the OS gap has been severely widened".
why does marketshare matter ?
more market share usually doesn't mean better
GM sell more cars than n e body else but doesn't that
mean their cars r Best ?{far from it in fact}
Apple doesn't aim for market share but to maximize profits if you look at the 1000+$ plus category of computers then Apple dominates !
actually Toyota sells more cars than the rest
and Toyota makes pretty good cars and sells them for less
Win7 is Windows Vista rebuilt
its much faster and "lighter"
the Beta has less bugs than the full release of Vista prolly
Actually, Buick, a GM brand, just knocked off Lexus as the most reliable car brand. GM does have great cars. They just can't live down their bad reputation.
Balmer also forgot to mention how much money windows users waste to keep their windows instances clean...
Looking from another angle, Windows is good for the economy, creates a lot of PC service jobs ....
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everybody know that Windows = maintetenence work
Since time is money
no amount of free software is going to help save keep yr cost down
Windows = Expensive and tiresome
OSX = Farly priced and easy !
Windows=/=maintenance work. User who pokes around where they shouldn't = maintenance work. Years of IT work and helping friends with problems has shown me this. More often than not people choose to override the standard settings as they think they know what they're doing and will often click OK on anything that pops up, which is just absolutely stupid.
He lives in a bubble and is completely out of touch. So why should we put stock in anything he says?
I have met a ton of Mac people. Most are actually really nice and some are incredibly smart. And I can say the same thing about Windows users I've met. Going through life full of contempt and prejudice will only make you miserable. Get to know the people around you -you might be surprised.
I am very happy with my fast booting, "it just works" Mac. Good software with the features I want, great hardware. I would easily pay a premium for it.
This is priming the market for Windows 7 so that Microsoft can say they have something beypond XP in the fastest growing segment of netbooks.
the other comment I would say is yes- well you could also get an iPhone for email and a great browsing expirience.
Come on Microsoft- think of the consumer and not of cheap snipes at the competition. Ask customers what they want and get off your high horse. Mr Ballmer here is a piece of humble pie- take a bite!
It doesn't have to taste of apple!
Apple takes cheap snipes at MS all the time, watch the ads, funny, but its just a cheap snipe at MS
here tsb269, eat a piece of humble pie, but after taking the antidote to Apple koolaid
Then why do sites like www.macfixitforums.com exist and, for that matter why are so many people posting there?
Seems like an awful lot of problems for a system that supposedly "just works".
Ballmer is the troll in the CEOs forums!
- Vista....Effed up like a wooden watch.
- Windows Mobile....not even close.
- Microsoft Music Store....Really??
- I'm a PC advertisements....HAHAHA, nice try.
- Zune - I won't even go there!!
-Vista . . . outsold the entire os x installed base in a couple of months
-Windows Mobile. . .3rd in market share behind Nokia and Rim and growing.
-Microsoft Music Store(aka Zune Market place). . .Way ahead of iTunes in DRM free offerings
-Zune - A better player hands down than an iPod Classic
-I'm a PC advertisements. . .can't argue there both companies ads are annoying.
Aluminum build quality
better customer service
less problems overall
most Pcs don't come with Wifi and Bluetooth
most Pcs use cheap LCD panels unlike Macs
Touchpad again the software/hardware combination is miles ahead
and all this is only the hardware !
software wise OSX is far easier to work with
yr just more productive on it !
Btw the 500+$ figure is total bogus
show me a Computer thats 500$ cheaper than a Macbook with comparable specs
and best part 3 yrs down the line I can sell it for 40-50% of the original price
I'm sorry but TCO of a Mac is much lesser than a Pc
it's a classic example of Pennywise pound foolish !
Base model Dell XPS M1330: $699
Base model MacBook: $1299
And the Dell has 90GB more hard drive space.
PWNT!
the base model macbook is 999$
and like I said the Specs r not the only thing that matter
the Macbook is more portable has better battery life
and has much better build quality and it also doesn't ship with unwanted crapware ,instead Apple includes the ilife suite
which is extremely useful !
ya the dell is a good deal but again it's pennywise pound foolish to buy one instead of a Macbook !
And yes Ballmer is the definition of an idiot.
It doesn't matter if it's Windows/OSX/Linux!
It doesn't matter because 90% of ALL computer usage is little more than surfing the net and e-mail!
An eMachine or netbook WILL fill this type of use!
1. Endless antivirus/antispyware subscription requirements--free or otherwise, that are resource hogs, require constant monitoring, etc.
Apple now suggests antivirus. Apple puts out patches for security holes in it's OS and associated software - I.E. iTunes, Safari, etc. Have a look at SANS or any other security site, there are continuous patches for the MAC and Linux, as well as the software that runs on those systems. So even if the OS were not subject to security issues (which is it is - if you touch the Internet, you're vulnerable), the software you're running is vulnerable.
2. Endless patches to fix holes that left unpatched lead to the zombification of your computer, stolen credit card numbers, id theft, etc.
Same thing for Macs - you run other people's software, you're subject to their coding practices that often create holes into your machine. See this link, there's a hole in Safari that lets an attacker remotely control your machine: http://news.cnet.com/8301-1009_3-10199652-83.html
3. Poorly designed software that makes it difficult to do the most basic of tasks. (read: Microsoft Office)
4. OS architecture that insists on being backward compatible no matter what the cost. and gets bigger/slower with each subsequent 'upgrade'
I will agree and disagree with you here: Yes MS keeps supporting older software and hardware - part of why it's so widely adopted and it would be nice if they would draw a line and stop supporting legacy apps/hardware at some point). Apple has been able to completely re-write their OS and drop support for software and hardware (while angering it's customers as far back as System 7.5) because they aren't in the business environment. If they tried that in the business environment they would be dropped in a hot minute.
5. Mysterious issues that lead one program to interfere with another for no apparent reason that are unresolvable. I could write pages of examples, but I will spare you the gory details.
How about some examples? I've supported an environment with multiple sites, 50+ servers, 2200+ MS workstations and laptops, it was stable and easy to manage.
No apparent reason? How about people downloading things from the Internet and installing them willy nilly causing the issues?
I used to be a die hard Mac addict, I gave up my Mac long ago. I like Macs, but I also like PC's, Linux boxes, etc. In fact Macs with Intel hardware are PCs - just a different OS and some nice design. So if you want to pay more for a Mac, great - it's your money, just realize that the points you make above aren't couched in reality and Macs are not invulnerable to security threates as you seem to believe.
Someone somewhere wants into your computer - and they will most likely use social engineering to get you to defeat the security of your OS - Mac, MS, Linux, etc., whether or not you use antivirus, a firewall, etc.
I choose to pay more for a Mac
but I save more in return
Macs r just more cost effective than Pcs !
stop taking only the initial costs !
and BTW show me a PC thats 500$ cheaper than a Mac mini ?
Thank you for expressing your personal opinion. You are, however, wrong. Macs do not have a greater TCO in comparison to equivalently spec'd Windows machines because they use the same components with the same failure rates.
Base model Dell Studio Hybrid: $449
Base model Mac Mini: $599
The Dell has more memory and a bigger hard drive. But wait, you say. That's not $500. Alright, what if we max out the specs?
The Dell is $1584.
The Mac is $2071
That's pretty much $500 difference right there.
PWNT twice!
again you pwned yr self !
I asked for a Mini comparison and you take a dell studio
with a slower processor graphic card and plastic case
that is 150$ cheaper ! the compatible model is actually 799$
So the Dell is actually 100$ more expensive than the supposedly overpriced mini
then you talk about maxing the specs and include stuff like the Apple Display which is ridiculous
Nobody is forcing you to use a High quality display and other stuff
with the Mini
you can pick up n e display or better yet use a existing display
I'll tell you wat Find me a All in one thats 500$ cheaper than n e iMac ! it'll make for more entertainment
I was going by what each company had on their websites and the only monitor option for the Mini is the 24" LED Apple Display. I merely picked the nearest equivalent one on the Dell site.
Oh yeah, the whole "You can use any monitor with the Mini!!!!111!!1oneoneone!!!" thing? Yeah, you could on the old ones, but not on the new ones unless you want to fork out $rape to Apple for 3 inches of adaptor cable.
beyond my personal experience, i'd like to say that none of the people posting here will ever agree. bottom line is this:
fighting on the internet is like running in the special olympics. at the end of the day, everyone is retarded.
word.
I have worked on every OS from DOS to Vista, for a programmer this is the real world. Getting the job done it the important thing not the logo on the box. More productive software is available for Microsoft based systems than Apple based, thats the real world.
http://arstechnica.com/security/news/2009/03/chrome-is-the-only-browser-left-standing-in-pwn2own-contest.ars
And no one ever said Apple's perfect, they're just more perfect than MS.
Actually, Macs are the only computers out there that can easy run ANY OS out there. Grow up. Microsoft's software is not productive at all.
Apple doesn't make anything and neither does Microsoft. They design things.
I don't think Steve Jobs could run a company as large or with as much market share as Microsoft, mainly because the wider your user base, the more masters you'll have to answer to. I think he likes the position he's put Apple in. Maybe they aren't the biggest computer company in the world, but from a business standpoint, they've got tons of cash, little to no debt (as it was pointed out earlier on this board), and a passionate customer base that a)hangs on your every word and b)is constantly growing. They're the world's largest boutique shop. I mean, really, who WOULDN'T want to be him?
I'm a PC guy, but I do admire the way Apple runs their ship. They've managed to convince the world that there is a passion behind every new product, and that each feature has been meticulously thought out and pored over before making it to production. Outwardly, you don't get that feeling from Micorosft. Things from Microsoft always feel a little more clinical, and that may just be a holdover from the days when a PC was purely a business machine, and Apple was aimed at creative types. Although, I've worked with dozens of Microsoft employees over the years, and I vouch for the fact that on a personal level, they're just as passionate about their work as I've seen. Lots of good people over there.
As an interested observer, I'm amazed at how that passion works its way down from the employees of the company all the way down to its customers. But, why is it so hard to agree that there are different strokes for different folks?
Yes, myles, that would be because Apple don't let third parties use OS X. Any decent Windows OEM is capable of doing so.
Can you see what's wrong with that position?
"Grow up. Microsoft's software is not productive at all. "
Yes it is which is why the most popular productivity suite - including amongst Mac users - is Office.
Really? Apple are responsible for designing 100% of their computers? Does that include the INTEL processors? Or maybe the NVIDIA or ATI graphics cards and the GPUs therein? Or how about the motherboard chipsets? or the SATA RAID controllers? Or perhaps they designed the WiFi and Bluetooth chips?
No? Even the design of the motherboards are farmed out to major OEMs like Foxconn, so Apple are NOT responsible for designing "100%" of their computers. They specify what goes into them and rely on third-party companies in China to make them.
- by sodablue March 20, 2009 11:07 AM PDT
- The Apple impressions of Windows appear to be rather dated by some 10 years. Vista has been incredibly solid, and I just started running Windows 7 beta on my main dev box and I think someone's in for a world of upset feelings when that is released.
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- by -hh March 21, 2009 6:06 PM PDT
- Opinions that are based upon dated knowledge cut both ways.
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Showing 1 of 7 pages (348 Comments)I've looked at the Mac hardware, and I have to admit I like some of the stuff that Apple has done. The new aluminum case for the macbook for example. The magnetic power plug. This is good, and as these innovations make there way to the regular PC stuff it's even better. From that standpoint, I'd like to see Apple continue. There once was an appreciation for quality amongst PC vendors, and it's nice to have that option.
But if America's standard of living is changing as we're seeing now, they may have to rethink what they are doing.
However, don't be surprised if the 'Mac Fan' who uses it at home ... is also quite familiar with Windows because that's what they use at work, because that's the OS that the local IT department has standardized on.
Granted, in many instances it is probably XP because of how Enterprise has shunned Vista, but XP is still a currently-supported Windows OS. If you want to tell me that Vista 2.0 (nee Win7) is a great product, you can try by comparing/contrasting it to what I use for 50 hrs/week, namely XP.
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