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March 21, 2009 6:12 AM PDT

Report: Apple leaks 17-inch iMac for $899?

by David Carnoy
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It's kind of funny when an Italian-language site breaks a wee bit of English-language-based Apple news, but that's what happened when SetteB.IT spotted a small mention of an $899 17-inch iMac for the education market on Apple's own Web site.

Currently, Apple is offering iMacs only in 20- and 24-inch screen sizes. The 20-inch model starts at $1,199, and the 24-incher starts at $1,499.

No word on when the "new" 17-incher will arrive (or if it's really new), but we'll await official confirmation from Apple.

Anybody interested? In this economy, I think the sub-$1,000 market is a good spot for Apple to play in--especially when it comes to cash-strapped parents of students.

(Source: Gizmodo via SetteB.IT)

Update: Wired's Gadget Lab is reporting that the "new" 17-inch iMac isn't really new and is just a reference to the old white plastic iMac 17-incher. Of course, Apple could very well do a 17-inch aluminum iMac at some point, so we'll see how this all plays out.

Hunkered down in New York City, Executive Editor David Carnoy covers the gamut of gadgets and writes his Fully Equipped column, which carries the tag line "The electronics you lust for." He's also the author of "Knife Music," a novel. E-mail David. Follow David on Twitter.
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by jbhtex March 21, 2009 6:46 AM PDT
I am a Mac Guy with Macbook, iPhone, Apple TV, iPod Video etc so you could call me a Fanboy but I think its funny they get the more expensive out first and then roll out to less expensive items. I love my apple products but at times feel Apple is disloyal to their followers. My 2 cents.
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by clamenza March 21, 2009 4:58 PM PDT
Uh, that's because all of the "followers". It's a brand and it's found the way into people's hearts, and now they can charge their premiums. Nothing more.
by Seaspray0 March 22, 2009 8:04 AM PDT
I didn't see any specs. Lower priced computers tend to have smaller monitors, hard drives, memory, slower processors, etc. so what you have now may not necessarily translate to an $899 laptop. I suspect this is more of a market driving force behind this. Apple has been considered a nitch computer due to the fact it doesn't sell computers that even approach the average selling price of computers (high end only). With the explosion of even lower end models (the netbook), apple is drifting even farther away from the avarage price computer unless it lowers prices.

In the end, don't feel betrayed. In the computer industry, the trend has been better specs for less price over the years. Everyone can look at todays models (regarless of brand) and say, "wow, that laptop I bought a few years ago is nowhere near as powerful as the one being sold today and for a lower price."
by ralfthedog March 22, 2009 8:38 AM PDT
"I didn't see any specs. Lower priced computers tend to have smaller monitors..."

My guess is that the 17 inch iMac has a 17 inch monitor. Just a guess.

:)
by Voice_Of_Logic March 23, 2009 5:25 AM PDT
@clamenza: I have been a Microsoft developer since the early days of DOS. In order for me to keep up with software development with MS products, I need to pay MS $2700 a year for the MSDN subscription that I need. I bought an iPhone back in December and I cant live without this thing. For $99 per year I can develop apps for it using a Mac of course, but for that $799 that I spent on a Mac Mini, I am now developing apps for a hot platform at $99/year through Apple. I havent said good-bye to MS.... yet. My point is, Microsoft also knows damn well how to kill off its customer base (Visual Basic, MSDN prices, heck - even Vista made me want to jump). Poor treatment of customers comes from *all* companies, its not unique to any one of them.
by davidwarren March 21, 2009 8:21 AM PDT
This is a 17 inch white plastic relic aimed at the education market that has not been updated in years. This is not a news story at all.
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by 45north March 21, 2009 11:16 AM PDT
The image shown with this article is not a white plastic 17 inch. I do think it would be harder for Apple to cut costs on a 'new" aluminum iMac using a 3rd form-factor (in addition to the 20" and 24") rather than dumbing down a 20", as they were known to do for education products in the past.
by CMGeorge March 21, 2009 1:09 PM PDT
45north: You are correct, it isn't a white plastic 17 inch. The picture is a stock promo photo of the 20" and 24" models referred to earlier in the description accompanying the picture. The 17" is not pictured, because it is a specialty product only available to education (K-16) organizations. Historically, the education-only 17" model also is limited in other aspects, including a combo drive (no DVD-RW) and limited memory and hard disk space.
by pithenumber March 21, 2009 8:21 AM PDT
Am I seeing this right?
an Apple Mac well into the sub 1k range

what did steve jobs leaving do to Apple?
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by Goodbye Helicopter March 21, 2009 8:37 AM PDT
You people are morons.
Apple frequently has models available for education customers at reduced prices.
Non story.
Once again C|Net journalists FAIL at journalism 101: fact checking.
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by robertorosco March 21, 2009 8:42 AM PDT
I believe most people know this already. The report is more of an update to the education line than anything else. I wouldn't call them morons. ;-)
by Notoapplefanbois March 21, 2009 8:40 AM PDT
CNET's fact checking has clearly degraded in the last few weeks dramatically, starting with the pocket yoga concept from 2 years ago.
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by dgutf March 21, 2009 9:39 AM PDT
I'm sure Apple fans would stand in line to spend $900 on an underpowered relic that is likely outperformed by most netbooks.
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by clamenza March 21, 2009 4:59 PM PDT
Sadly, you're right.
by BigGuns149 March 21, 2009 5:44 PM PDT
Even if they were merely selling the ancient.white 17" iMac without any updates it would still be faster than the next generation Atom based netbooks nevermind the current generation of netbooks. Unless your definition of netbook is far broader than mine I don't see how your comment is anything except sarcasm.

While I agree that whatever their 17" education iMac has spec wise that it will probably be a bit overpriced I think you are getting a little silly in suggesting that a single core netbook would be faster than a dual core iMac.
by make_or_break March 22, 2009 6:53 PM PDT
(no so)BigGuns149: gee...you figured the sarcasm bit out all by yourself?
by AppleSuxLeo March 21, 2009 9:43 AM PDT
Probably the usual Apple fare...512 MB RAM , 40 GB HDD , integrated graphics , and a paper-thin "keyboard" that will break if you sneeze on it.
And that Apple-mouse that even Leo Laporte says you should throw out and get a real Microsoft mouse.
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by ckurowic March 21, 2009 11:36 AM PDT
Uh, you are ridiculous. Paper thin keyboard that will break? Obviously you have never used one, moron. They are made of aluminum, very tough. Get a life, stop trolling. Loser.
by rollcage333 March 21, 2009 12:40 PM PDT
The aluminum keyboards are anything but flimsy: they're a lot tougher than other keyboards.
by Notoapplefanbois March 21, 2009 1:28 PM PDT
Ever stepped on a can? or an ipod touch since thats kinda related?

I assure you aluminium is easy to break.
by ckh1272 March 21, 2009 1:45 PM PDT
Aluminum is easy to break?? Yeah, and plastic never breaks (which is on 99.9% of every other computer on the market)!! The blogs and comments are just too freakin' funny!! Thanks for the laughs!
by grtgrfx March 22, 2009 10:04 PM PDT
I can assure you that the Apple keyboard is not anything like a can and while you'd surely break its plastic back by putting 180 lbs. on it, that goes for almost anything else on the planet. What a stupid comment, and has nothing to do with the discussion of a 17" iMac.

Of course the trolls who actually think Apple would sell 5-year old tech just for education are completely clueless as well; Apple has NEVER sold substantially degraded product to education merely to charge a few hundred dollars less. None of their education products have less horsepower than the lowest level current retail unit, in this case a new MacBook or Mini.

The obvious reason is that to make money off education, Apple must use the same supply chain components as their retail lines do. They can't juggle out-of-date hardware in the same factories as new product because it would be too expensive to run disparate assembly lines with separate sourcing suppliers.
by goodspeed8701 March 21, 2009 9:52 AM PDT
Apple = worm in a apple. this $900 imac is a waste of time. But fulls are there to buy one or 2
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by Tobyhamilton March 21, 2009 10:55 AM PDT
Since there's no specs out yet...Umm...what are you talking about?


You know what's a waste of time? Reading your posts.
by ikramerica--2008 March 21, 2009 8:52 PM PDT
It is not a waste of time for the education market for whom it is intended. Apple have had academia only products for years. They started with academia only LC models, had academia only iMacs, then when the iMac when all Pixar lamp on us, they had an eMac for the school market, then finally discontinued that one and instead kept the lowest end previous iMac around for that market. They sell because they are cheap and available in bulk packages, but still run all the apps and latest OS X and work with Remote Desktop, etc.
by crescentdave March 21, 2009 10:01 AM PDT
It's not quite that bad ... here's the link: http://store.apple.com/1-800-800-APPL/WebObjects/K12.woa/9864004/wa/PSLID?nnmm=browse&mco=B8A3E9B4&node=home/shop_mac/family/imac_ed&wosid=iFEhJpDuh4Ay3wYaQT711g65nYL. It is overpriced, it is a waste of taxplayer's money and I'm glad our local school board voted against funding apple computers, period. I run apple and pc products in a mixed shop and home environment, so it's not like I'm an Apple hater. It just makes no sense to use a niche computer that's overpriced in a public school setting. And yes ... I'm calling 10% market penetration, even 15% a niche market, relatively speaking.
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by applusr March 21, 2009 2:29 PM PDT
being someone who works in a school, it actually costs more to use windows boxes. The labor and down time due to student abuse is crazy. Apple computers hold a lot better in this environment.
by crescentdave March 21, 2009 8:12 PM PDT
I fail to see how the "labor and down time due to student abuse" is any greater for a windows machine than an apple. Any competent IT knows how to absolutely restrict the ability of a user to install or change any core settings on a machine. Could you give an example of how student abuse, labor and downtime on a pc is "crazy" compared to a mac?
by applusr March 21, 2009 10:51 PM PDT
Our schools have both Windows Labs and mac Labs in use. Which is a good thing because it allows student to experience both platforms. By the way "PC" means personal computer which a Mac is.

Windows labs just have a higher hardware failure, incompatibility with software, roaming profiles and network issues.

Any competent IT would also tell you they would rather have mac than windows machines.
by crescentdave March 21, 2009 11:43 PM PDT
I'm sure IT's would rather work with one brand of computer. Personally, that's why business lines like Dell's vostro or optiplex are standardized in workplace environments. Different ... isn't it? When you allow the comparison to be between all one manufacturer like Dell or Apple? Play fair. Then ask an IT.

Second- issues with software incompatibility? Please, don't make me laugh. PC's (as in non iMac or macbooks) are what everyone else has to play nice with ... remember that 90% market share for the rest of us? Do I worry about being compatible with Pages or Numbers? Hardly. My pc's and macs (we run both in my shop and at home) play nice with each other when it comes to MS Office and Adobe PS & Dreamweaver.

Third: Read up on roaming mandatory and super mandatory user profiles, your FUD will be dispelled. Fourth: Network issues? Please. If we employ the same logic as most applets do ... using ONE type of router and the same compatible adapter ... problems not only diminish, but the PC world offers much more configuration options as well as browser config control. Ever hear of UPnP, DDNS, and URL/keyword content filtering? Probably not if you use the Airport ... which, by the way, works great in an all mac world-if that's what your school board can afford to purchase.
by ITDph March 22, 2009 7:43 AM PDT
re: applusr

"Any competent IT would also tell you they would rather have mac than windows machines"

Hold on a minute there applusr. I'd rather have PC's so I can keep my job. Macs don't require as much attention as Macs. You want to put us out of work?
by applusr March 22, 2009 8:59 AM PDT
crescentdave: Do you realize that School Districts purchase computers that they keep for at least 5 years. This is where all of the stated problems come into play. School boards don't like to spend money on computers, and things are getting worse.

ITDph : I only said they would like to have macs, but I also said that schools should have both platforms.
by erictbar March 21, 2009 10:03 AM PDT
Unless the 17" is in the Aluminum design (which I really hope it is), this isn't news. Apple has offered white 17" iMacs to education institutions (NOT individuals) since the aluminum iMac came out in 2007.
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by hejackson March 21, 2009 10:07 AM PDT
Our school has a special going on, through the Apple education program, for a 20" iMac for $899. But it seems the 17" deal might be available to all of the public. I don't want to graduate because then I miss out on all the great sales...
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by appleless March 21, 2009 10:12 AM PDT
I am more amazed these days at how apple users soak up this new Apple stuff. As someone who was designing computer systems before Steve Jobs met Woz, I have always admired how Apple pushed the envelope past the "cool line". Everything has to be cool. Recently I downgraded my opinion after I actually purchased my first Apple product.

After purchasing an imac on ebay, I found it to be too cool. It wasn't a computer that I could use all day long. The frustration started with everything that wouldn't run. Even in bootcamp, I could never get the proper driver to make my dell printer print in color. Much of my software didn't run. The final clincher was the headaches I got off my 20" glass screen with its super-glare feature. Looking on the web for a cure, I was amazed at how many users had this problem and eventually gave up on their Mac or just restricted its use to several hours a day.

After 3 weeks of this, I sold my imac on ebay and made a few dollars. It appears there is always someone who is willing to value "cool" over praticality.
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by mkgmkg3 March 21, 2009 10:43 AM PDT
Now, let me understand; you had a Windows machine (iMac+BootCamp=Windows PC), and a Dell driver wouldn't work. Hmmm, since my Acer has Windows and is essentially a MacBook (all the parts are about the same), without little tweaks to make it run OS X, does that mean your driver won't work on it either.

Please, don't say things that are too stupid to believe. Boot Camp was nothing more than partitioning software and some drivers for the Mac hardware. There was nothing there to cause your Dell driver not to work except for your pirated version of Windows. You have to understand how programs work before complaining.

The screen glare feature wasn't a case of blinding people, so there again you don't understand the issue. The glare folks complained about are serious mirror-like reflections that appeared in the black areas of the screen.

Now, what computer system was it you designed before Steve met Woz? Did you work at OSI? Did you design Paragons or Crays or Altairs? If you did, you would no better than the ignorance you are spouting.
by myles taylor March 21, 2009 10:31 AM PDT
The return of the eMac? There are two sides to this coin. On one hand, it would be nice to see Apple in that market. On the other hand, Apple needs to stay
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by jaybarrow March 21, 2009 10:36 AM PDT
The article clearly states "new iMac line also includes a 17" model". Keyword: new. So it must be an aluminum model. I work in the education industry and my department bought two new aluminum models at the education discount. You also qualify for the education discount at Apple's online store if you are a staff member, not just a student, for personal use at home. You just have to fax proof of employment when ordering.
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by websterphreaky March 21, 2009 1:50 PM PDT
ISN'T THAT SPECIAL ..... an TOTALLY Equivalent PC, made at the SAME Chinese Sweatshop, is STILL 40% Cheaper. Nice try Greedy Apple.

Nut since it's a crApple .... it most likely WILL LEAK.

Don't forget to buy crApple Care. ..... YOU WILL NEED IT! Because Apple's are Guaranteed to croak a month after the warranty expires.
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by Tedders85 March 21, 2009 2:08 PM PDT
What the hell are you talking about? Leak what? Apple care? I have owned 5 different Apple products over the years and have not had a single issue with any of them. Now, my friend's HP's and Dell's, now that's a whole 'nother story. I'm work in IT for a state university and trust me, more stupid crap happens to them than you can imagine.
by tehrani625 March 21, 2009 2:51 PM PDT
You are a total idiot. Oh did I say that aloud. Anyways, yes it is a good idea to get the extended warranty especially if you can't spell (or type for that matter). I will say the macs aren't that bad. I like my PC for games, music and browsing the web. I use my mac for word and reading PDF files. I love my PC but even all the love in the world can't stop a worm from eating ram and most of my hard drive space. The idea of a cheep iMac is a good one, even better is the idea of one that fits on my desk, and leaves room for my 2 laptops.
by William Crow March 21, 2009 3:10 PM PDT
I think its a good idea. Many people WANT an Apple but fell they cannot afford one. Once they make the leap (something many people will be able to justify) and try the least expensive iMac they'll love it. After all, the fundamental advantage of the Apple lineup lies in the soundness of the OS.
In truth though, when I made the switch to an 20" iMac after forever being Windows, I immediately wanted the 24".
People willing to take the 17" plunge should really just go for the larger sizes. You will be glad you did.
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by clamenza March 21, 2009 5:01 PM PDT
Unless a school is loaded (ie. located in a wealthy neighborhood), this is a criminal waste of money.
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by solitare_pax March 21, 2009 5:58 PM PDT
Of course, an $899 mac will last much longer than a $200 PC that will be broken by students before the end of the school year - resulting in another $200 PC to replace it - and another - not to mention a ton of IT time, and you generate a ton of e-waste using the PC model - unfortunately, the local school does not get it, so they use PCs, and ignore how well the cluster of 12-year-old Macs are doing in a few lower grade classrooms.

Anyways, if you watch and wait on the Apple refurbished Mac list, you can get a 20" iMac for less than that - hey, that's how I got the last Macbook.
by BigGuns149 March 21, 2009 6:50 PM PDT
It depends upon what the TCO(total cost of ownership for this machine is versus another computer. For any organization the purchase cost is only part of the cost of owning a computer that you intend to use on a regular basis. Only an idiot or somebody who is so poor that they can't afford to look long term would buy something based upon a low initial purchase cost while ignoring a more expensive unit whose total cost of ownership was lower.

Without knowing any of the specs beyond the size of the monitor I think we are jumping to conclusions in assuming that this machine wouldn't be a bad deal.
by rejobi March 23, 2009 3:51 PM PDT
Apple products can run Apple software AND PC software. Seems like a great idea for school computer labs use Macs for both Mac and PC software training.
by AppleSuxLeo March 21, 2009 5:30 PM PDT
When I built a powerful gaming PC for several hundred dollars less , you can see why the Mac section at Fry`s is like a ghost town. Apple-gaming ? You are killing me Apple !
Apple should be ashamed of duping people of their hard earned money for such poor performance per dollar.
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by BigGuns149 March 21, 2009 5:52 PM PDT
Honestly, having worked for Fry's I am not too surprised that Fry's Apple setion is a ghost town. The way Apple works they only sell the prefab models to resellers so the resellers are stuck with the default configurations. Especially with the Mac Pro and the Macbook Pro a lot of people often didn't want the default config so they had little choice but to go through Apple. Considering that Fry's rarely discounts their Macs more than a symbolic amount the only compelling argument to buy from Fry's compared to a different reseller is that Fry's has a good return policy.

I wouldn't read too much into Fry's poor Apple sales as being indicative of Apple's success of failure.
by ikramerica--2008 March 21, 2009 8:59 PM PDT
Fry's steers customers to their old stock PCs that are paired with overpriced old stock monitors. Since they are not allowed to play with the price of the Mac, they can't figure out ways to screw the customer over without them knowing the difference.

have fun shopping and fry's and buying their reshelved, defective products. Yes, you can get a good deal there if you know what you are doing, but the average fry's shopper gets screwed by their shady practices.
by applusr March 21, 2009 10:53 PM PDT
You shop at Fry's?
by pithenumber March 22, 2009 8:25 AM PDT
@ikramerica
do you even shop at Fry's?
by rollaire2 March 21, 2009 8:55 PM PDT
Wow, Im in. Sounds like a good deal!

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by 3rdalbum March 22, 2009 1:57 AM PDT
Yes, but will that 17 inch iMac run Snow Leopard + 1? Will certain Apple programs require "20 inch display or greater" and refuse to run otherwise? These are the real problems that potential buyers will have to look at, as Apple has a reputation of making its new software require the new operating system, and the new operating system will refuse to work on the old machine.

Why did Tiger require a Firewire port, after all? And why does Garageband's video tutorial require a dual-core processor?
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by grtgrfx March 22, 2009 10:18 PM PDT
No, the idea that any new Mac would not run the current OS at time of purchase is ridiculous. Has never happened and never would. What a stupid comment. If anything, smaller displays have an EASIER time displaying advanced graphics, because with fewer pixels, they're less of a drain on the GPU. Where do you stupid posters get your ideas?
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