Nvidia aims at top Netbooks, Windows 7
Nvidia is working with top-10 PC makers to bring its graphics chips for the first time to Netbooks, according to an executive at the company. And an important part of this push is getting its silicon working with Windows 7, a more Netbook-friendly operating system than Vista.
Nvidia is targeting Ion at Netbooks (bottom) and at larger notebooks (top)
(Credit: Nvidia)This week, Nvidia released Windows 7 beta drivers for the "Ion" Netbook silicon that it's handing over to customers. In conjunction, Nvidia demonstrated in Taiwan this week applications running on Windows 7. Nvidia also announced that its Ion platform has been certified on Windows Vista.
The Ion chipset is based on Nvidia's GeForce 9400M graphics chipset, which currently handles graphics tasks in Apple's MacBook line.
The goal is to replace the Intel silicon that supports the Atom processor and make a Netbook perform more like a typical laptop. Currently, Netbooks from companies such as Acer, Asus, Hewlett-Packard, and Dell use the Atom with an accompanying Intel chipset.
"Why would you buy a small notebook and not expect it to do what a PC can do?" Dan Vivoli, Nvidia senior vice president, said in a phone interview Thursday.
Intel, in fact, took a small step in that direction this month. The chipmaker upped the ante by shipping a new Atom N280 processor and chipset that for first time on an Intel-based Atom system can run 720p high-definition video. Graphics silicon that can handle 720p video is considered a minimum requirement for larger mainstream laptops.
Nvidia, as the world's largest graphics chip supplier, believes, not surprisingly, that minimal graphics is not good enough.
"I remember back in 1998 when Intel came out with their 740 (graphics chip), there was this worry that no one would want to buy anything more than that," Vivoli said. "Of course, that didn't happen."
Dan Vivoli, senior vice president of marketing at Nvidia
(Credit: Nvidia)The 740 eventually faded as graphics chips from 3dfx, ATI Technologies, and Nvidia bested it in the marketplace.
All companies tend to exaggerate the prospects of a new product--and Nvidia is no exception. But there seems to be more at stake than usual because getting Nvidia graphics into small devices--where its graphics have historically been almost completely absent--is imperative for its growth.
"In all the years I've been here I've never seen a product generate more excitement than Ion. At Microsoft, at Apple. Everybody we expose it to says we had no idea you could get this kind of experience on a platform this small and this inexpensive," Vivoli said.
"Big names that you would know are working on Ion designs," Vivoli said. "These are top-5 and top-10 companies," Vivoli said. He expects products by midyear.
In Nvidia's fourth-quarter earnings conference call on Tuesday, CEO Jen-Hsun Huang was more circumspect. Though he claimed that Nvidia had Ion notebook projects happening all over the world, "a lot of this depends on the success of our customers and these platforms. There's still a lot execution between now and then. And lots of unknowns," he said.
Also, on the same call, a financial analyst brought up the point that Netbook makers are not marketing the devices for 3D gaming and added that 3D graphics is not a feature that consumers care a lot about on a Netbook. Huang countered that anything people want to do on a typical laptop, they want to do on a Netbook.
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Rather than making larger and larger chips which take up more and more power, why not make smaller chips that have the same technical abilites? If the same power can be put into a form factor the size of a netbook that is currently in a full sized laptop, why not do it?
Rather than rolling out so many of the large processors and complaining that people won't want to buy them, it seems a better idea to make these tiny wonders as powerful as possible without raising the power requirements or the costs and then use that build-up of power to ridicule your competitors and make more money.
If the atom can be kept at a low cost and be more powerful than the other guys chips, whose going to buy the other guys chips? Stop competing with yourself and learn that the Atom could actually give your company an edge that will span years. (to Intel)
I'm hoping NVidia sees just how pertinent that advice is and does more than just compete with the Atom.
I agree, and wouldn't want anything less.
Atom-based MIDs might be another opportunity. I can imagine some of those MIDs evolving to become killer portable game & multi-media machines.
This would especially be true of Photoshop.
I have laptops, tablets, and desktops. I want a netbook for those quick on the fly access issues or at a convention/trade show where I'm behind the table/booth and simply don't have room to pack a big laptop. I'm willing to live with the performance restrictions accordingly.
Netbooks would be / are ideal for students. Inexpensive enough for when they get damaged/stolen, low power enough not to run high end games. This is the perfect market for netbooks in my opinion.
Anyone who plays WoW will want a larger screen, it's true. That's why setting up an external monitor is so popular for anyone who has a laptop. The processor means you won't have to purchase something costing several thousand dollars to get decent graphics.
If the low end chips can do everything the high end chips can do, then there ceases to be a reason to purchase high end until more R & D is done. Why should we limit the netbook just because of its screen size?
Smaller devices mean less materials are necessary to make them, but it shouldn't also mean less can be done with them. At least, when it comes to digital devices it shouldn't. The netbook should replace the notebook in all areas. The processor has already been developed to be as capable as P-4 processors. It wouldn't take much to bring it up to Quad core levels with less power demands. Just raise the price without raising the form factor and there's the new business model.
The "perfect market" for netbooks doesn't exist because we have yet to establish what a netbook is. I'm of the opinion that the netbook is what a notebook once was, just look at the old advertisements for notebooks and compare them to the ads for netbooks and you'll see there's no difference.
http://forums.lotro.com/showthread.php?t=244811
If you have any doubt it can be done, or that systems that support better graphics won't have a market, read that thread.
- by minijedimaster February 16, 2009 10:44 AM PST
- Why hasn't anyone mentioned probably the biggest market for this Ion platform? HTPC anyone? Or Home Theater PC for those who don't know. Did you see Nvidia's reference system for Ion? This tiny little box that has many USB ports, HDMI and does full HD decoding. It had like 2-4GB of laptop style RAM and a small form factor hard drive in it. I'd gladly plop $300 or so down for a prebuilt small form factor HTPC that can stream my HD movie files over my home network, decode them and display them on my 1080p TV.
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