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October 14, 2008 2:39 PM PDT

New MacBook Pro lineup vs. old lineup

by Matthew Elliott

Editors' note: As of June 2009, the product highlighted here has been replaced by these updated models.

Of Apple's MacBook Pro lineup, only the two 15-inch models received the complete workup today. By now, you're probably aware of the design changes, which include a new "unibody" chassis, new buttonless multitouch trackpad, the addition of a mini DisplayPort, and the subtraction of the FireWire 400 port. Let's take a closer look at the changes under the hood.

Pricing remains the same, with $1,999 and $2,499 default configurations. Aside from slightly larger hard drives, the biggest change is the move away from Intel and to the Nvidia GeForce 9400M chipset and a slight bump to the graphics, moving from the GeForce 8600M GT to the GeForce 9600M GT. The higher-end model now ships with 4GB of RAM by default, and doubling the RAM on the lower-end model is $50 cheaper at $150. The CPUs remain largely unchanged, but now operate on a faster 1066MHz bus. The $2,499 MacBook Pro lets you upgrade to a 2.8GHz Core 2 Duo for $300; previously, the fastest chip offered was a 2.6GHz processor. Larger 320GB hard drives are now offered, including a 7200rpm unit, as is a 128GB solid-state drive.

The 17-inch model from the old MacBook Pro line survived, but it now offers 4GB of RAM and a 320GB hard drive for the same price.

The 17-inch model is still available at the same $2,799 price in the old all-silver chassis, and with the same 2.5GHz Core 2 Duo processor and 512MB GeForce 8600M GT graphics card. The RAM has been doubled to 4GB and the hard drive goes from 250GB to 320GB. Strange that the new design is available in the 13-inch MacBook and 15-inch MacBook Pro, but not the 17-inch MacBook Pro. The 17-inch model gives you the choice of a glossy or matte finish on the display; the new 15-inch MacBook Pros are glossy only, which might be problematic for those whose first priority isn't watching movies on a $2,000 laptop.

Given there's less of a design difference between the MacBook and the MacBook Pro now, what will get people to make the $400 (or more) leap in price? Better graphics? Two more inches of screen space? FireWire 800? I see the new MacBooks taking up a larger piece of the Mac pie at the expense of MacBook Pro sales. Thoughts? Do you like the new design? Feature sets?

For complete coverage of the Apple notebook news, see "Apple polishes up its MacBook line."

Matt Elliott, a CNET editor since 2000, heads up coverage of computer hardware, from desktops and laptops to their assorted components and peripherals. Prior to joining CNET, he worked for PC Magazine. When not writing about computers and wrestling with their shipping boxes, he likes shooting with his Nikon D50 camera. Matt is also skilled with a tape gun. E-mail Matt.
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by jessiethe3rd October 14, 2008 3:17 PM PDT
I love upgrading but the new MacBook Pro 17" just does not have any large leaps in terms of ingenuity that will make me move. There is nothign here that screams time to upgrade. Apple is a great hardware manufacturer - they should have put out some more wiz-bang to make the upgrade to the newer MacBook Pro 17 a instant success. Instead I'll just sit on my 2.6Ghz - a bit more space on the trackpad is not going to get me to move and neither is a black bezzle or a faster bus are going to do the trick for me. I believe my old silver Macbook Pro was a great investment and I'll be staying put for the foreseeable future.
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by garyoke October 14, 2008 3:25 PM PDT
Thoughts? Do you like the new design? Feature sets?

I love the design, but as for the feature sets and specs - ...I'm not sure yet. I've been waiting for the new MBPs for about a year now - I have an aging Pbook 1.33 that I use constantly and is only now beginning to show its age.

My biggest disappointment was that Apple didn't drop the price point. This is an expensive machine in today's market. The absence of a Firewire port on the Macbook prevents me from purchase that machine.

I'm going to give a little more thought about the MCP before I jump in.

No second thoughts on an Apple product though. Beautiful design, state of the art insides, and virus free working environment. I love 'em.
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by joedauz October 14, 2008 3:28 PM PDT
Sorry but this is another News.com // Cnet call for glory story headline that does Not represent whats in the piece. None of the old models are shown or compared and the story is a rehash of the Apple PR material.
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by jsbee527 October 14, 2008 3:41 PM PDT
I've been waiting for a smaller "MBP" but the new MBs don't have everything that my 20 month old MBP has. If you take a look on the Apple discussions, there are lots of pros that are unhappy that Apple is only offering glossy screens and not every model has a firewire. I love the new designs and have been anxiously awaiting the smaller aluminum body, but think that I will wait a bit longer AND test drive the new ones in the Apple stores before upgrading.
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by gufona October 14, 2008 3:44 PM PDT
Well, the price is not really the same, there are sure upgrades, but also downgrades. The basic stuff like the modem and the remote control are now not coming for free anymore: you have to pay for everything. I am a MAC convert as of a year ago, and although I really like the system, I can't stand this Apple trend in making you buy everything (and not for cheap either!) that you need to make it work!
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by moink1234 October 14, 2008 4:26 PM PDT
Glossy screen only on the 15"? That's a deal breaker for me. Why they only offer that on the 17" is a mystery to me... The lack of a firewire 400 means you'll need to bring an 800 - 400 cable around with you - not impossible to work around, but definitely an annoyance. Not sure what I think about a glass touch pad either - and the loss of the button is annoying. Another step towards "fad" and away from "pro". I think I'll stick with my current MBPro for a while...
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by Jakerno October 14, 2008 4:59 PM PDT
Previous Generation Macbook Pros are on clearance on apple.com. Pretty Sweet!
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by DannyKhuu October 14, 2008 5:43 PM PDT
I Really Was Hoping that They Upgraded the 17 Inch MacBook Pro :( Wished they gave the 17 Inch the same treatment and perhaps an 18 inch screen and Blu-Ray? I Guess I'll have to wait longer.
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by Les4949 October 14, 2008 8:36 PM PDT
No kidding oh my god screaming deals on the previous generation refurb pros. I picked one up for nothing.

I watched the mac rumor twitter this am of the Jobs meeting and put my order in as soon as it was over.

the new ones look very fine though . . .
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by mph360 October 15, 2008 2:45 AM PDT
Around 6 weeks ago I bought a 2.5ghz MBP (Refurb Store) with matt screen as I couldn't wait any longer and also knowing that updates were around the corner it was nervous of the launch yesterday. As anyone is when they buy equipment and a newer version comes out

As I watched the Event on engaget I could believe what I was seeing, have apple lost the plot entirely!

It's the first time ever that I have purchased from apple and not wanted to buy the updated version, For a couple of reasons: It looks like the first generation powerbook crossed with an imac, pretty ugly if you ask me and not matt screen. Apple can't call this a mac book pro, maybe mac book ameture!

I can see a lot of professionals being very disillusioned with apple and losing confidence in future their releases.
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by a85 October 15, 2008 7:07 PM PDT
Way too expensive. I'm sticking with my current mbp. I think they've lost the plot. Fewer features, more money & in an economic downturn.
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by designergrid October 16, 2008 2:25 AM PDT
Apple are obviously moving away from professional design use - the glossy screen on the new imac is a complete disaster and will be on the MBP. I will be buying the previous version.

Apple what are you doing?!
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by nanisani November 14, 2008 5:59 PM PST
It's actually not a 'buttonless' trackpad.... the entire trackpad is in fact ONE BIG BUTTON. Why is this not mentioned in the article? They have also added a few new multi-touch gestures to the trackpad with more likely to come.

Also, mentioning the 'subtraction of the Firewire 400 port' doen't make clear that there is no longer ANY Firewire on the new Macbook Pro.

A couple of other details were omitted, such as the lid no longer having a mechanical latch, but rather a magnet to hold it shut. Also, all the ports are on one side (right), so left hander plugging in a mouse will have to wrap the cord around.

These are really beautifully made machines, having checked them out at the local Apple store. But the lack of a matte screen option is really unfortunate. I currently have a 2nd generation MacBook Pro and will keep it for another couple of years. By then they'll have come to their senses and bring back the matte screen. Firewire will probably be a non issue fairly soon, but it's sad to see it go.
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by maseman13 December 5, 2008 4:11 PM PST
I am about to purchase a new laptop and wanted to get a macbook so i could work with final cut pro...i am deciding between buying an old version macbook pro or going whole hog and buying a new version macbook pro...i was just wondering if anyone had any thoughts about which way i should go???
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by unionj9 January 5, 2009 2:50 PM PST
Buy the old MBP. I bought the new one and although it looks very sleek and smooth, the functionality of having only 1 firewire, and 2 usb ports is ridiculously disappointing, and absurd. They market it by saying that it is constructed using less parts, well that's great I understand but what are they going to do next, take away the keyboard! The mac book "PRO" should be for professionals. You should have a do anything anywhere machine, especially if you maxed out the features as I did and spent $3,000 on one. What if one of my usb inputs break? Then I only have one left. And I don't want to connect to a usb hub because that's extra baggage. The concept of a laptop is to be portable, who wants to carry around a bunch of stuff because your cpu is too wimpy to have all the features. Maybe that's why they made only glossy screens - to cover up the substance with some shine. Oh wait, what's that, a glare I'm getting on my screen from the light - what kind of professional equipment has such a drawback?! A (macbook) pro should be pro and that's the bottom line. I'll pay 3k, and I'll be fine about it as long it is worth 3k. The new mbp is garbage. Buy olders models. Performance is great, and fast, but lack of functionality really is stupid. Apple you have indeed lost the plot.

buying the new mbp, then you need options and ports - flipping 2 usb's and a firewire aren't going to do it.
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