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March 3, 2009 9:31 AM PST

New Mac Minis: Still too expensive

by David Carnoy
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The new Mac Mini starts at $599--the same as the old Mac Mini.

(Credit: Apple)

First off, an admission: I've always wanted a Mac Mini. Sort of like I've always wanted a Mini Cooper convertible. But then I take a look at the price tag and it always seems too expensive. Call me cheap, but when you're at $600 (for the entry-level Mini) you start to ask yourself: what can I get for a few hundred bucks more--aside from the step-up $799 Mac Mini?

The answer is always a laptop. Now, the Mac Mini, of course, is basically a laptop without the screen. It uses laptop components. This new base system features a new 2GHz Core 2 Duo processor, the same 1GB of RAM, and a larger 120GB hard drive (see Rich Brown's full post here).

The step-up model doubles the RAM and includes a 320GB drive (you really don't get $200 worth of extras for your $200, do you?). Nvidia's MCP79 chipset drives both new Mac Minis; that translates into the Nvidia GeForce 9400M graphics chip driving its display. A nice upgrade from the old model, to be sure, but it would be a lot nicer if Apple had a configuration that started at $399, not $599.

I know what so many of you are about to tell me. Apple doesn't bother with low-margin products. It just wouldn't do a $399 Mac Mini. That's why it's raking it in while other PC makers are having an awfully hard time these days. I understand. I get it. But that doesn't mean I can't ask for a $399 Mac Mini. And it isn't like the Mini was flying off the shelves at $599 before, so why should it fly off them now?

Again, call me cheap. But I want a new $399 Mac Mini--and I'd put an order in for one right now if it existed. Anybody agree?

Hunkered down in New York City, Executive Editor David Carnoy covers the gamut of gadgets and writes his Fully Equipped column, which carries the tag line "The electronics you lust for." He's also the author of "Knife Music," a novel. E-mail David. Follow David on Twitter.
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by Tedders85 March 3, 2009 10:00 AM PST
I think they are too expensive as well. I also think that maybe $399 is a little to low. I think $499 would be the sweetspot for the mini. Yes, $399 would be awesome, but thats just too low. If it were $499 maybe $449, I would probably replace my existing iMac.
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by Faran23 March 3, 2009 10:16 AM PST
I agree, the mac mini should be cheaper. I was at best buy the other day and saw Centrino based laptops for as low as $349. You'd expect an entry level mac to be around the $400-$450 mark as the alternative is much cheaper.
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by mmagliaro March 3, 2009 10:26 AM PST
Another big thing not to overlook... the USED market. Why would I spend $600 on this thing, when I can buy a pretty darn nice G4 mac notebook computer for half that on eBay. Sure, it's slow compared to a Core 2 Duo, but frankly, for 99% of what people use a Mac for, who cares? It can still handle web, email, photo editing, music, and Office apps... with plenty of speed. The only place it might really show its age is in video editing or gaming (but this is a Mac... what gaming???)

No way... I still happily plunk along on an old 800 MHz G3 iBook I got for 200 bucks, and it has served me well for years. For $600, they have to offer more.
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by Fherghaile March 3, 2009 10:29 AM PST
Yeah I'd like a new BMW for 3K to but it won't happen. Go buy your cheap PC and see how long it last.
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by zizzybaloobah March 3, 2009 10:29 AM PST
I agree also. What's the point when you can get more tricked-out laptops for the same or less. I've used Macs before -- its just not worth the extra $ IMHO.
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by jordanfb March 3, 2009 10:33 AM PST
399 would be sweet! would totally buy one, but i think 499 is more realistic and would still be a bargain for the best computers ever made!
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by thyDrewishere March 3, 2009 10:36 AM PST
You also all have forgotten to add in the costs associated with the increased bus speeds and the new DDR3 ram that they have added. While the speed bumps are minor and you could actually find maybe cheaper and better laptops for around 599, you will not find one with a 1066GHz bus and using DDR3 ram, which is really powerful stuff. So I actually think the Mac Mini is well suped for what it costs and it has been priced well.
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by mikefarren March 3, 2009 10:39 AM PST
Definitely too expensive. I was recently in the market for a small computer, and what I ended up with was an Acer Aspire L5100. 3G RAM, 320G hard drive, 2.2GHz dual-core Athlon, Radeon X1250 graphics. It's a nice, small (a little bigger then the Mini, but still) and a price of $319. I've since upgraded it to a 1TB hard drive, 4G RAM, and 2.9GHz Athlon for about $200 more. If the Mac Mini were within $100 of that price, I'd have gotten it in a shot. As it is, well, sorry, Apple. I'm more than happy with my iPod Touch, but sure do wish the Mini made sense.
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by supergoodnachos March 3, 2009 10:39 AM PST
I agree, I was hoping the refresh would include lower prices. For me $500 is the max I would pay, I don't think $399 for the lower end model is too cheap, or wouldn't make Apple enough profit.
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by pkt1190 March 3, 2009 10:40 AM PST
I wish they had a base model that was cheaper. I just want a nice Mac computer to hook up to my HD Tv for general web surfing, streaming video from the Netflix or the full episodes posted on channel websites, etc. Nothing too intensive.
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by dpaanlka March 3, 2009 10:41 AM PST
The Mac mini actually was $499 when it was first introduced.

http://web.archive.org/web/20050113070621/www.apple.com/macmini/
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by gglockner March 3, 2009 10:42 AM PST
If you want a bargain Mac Mini, why not pickup one of the just-discontinued models? Starting at $499 at store.apple.com.
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by cantheman March 3, 2009 10:43 AM PST
It's not too expensive. What laptops are you talking about? Are they PC's? I'm not even going to go there, but you know what I'd say....

If you're comparing Macs to Macs (apples to apples, if you will), yes you can get a macbook for 999. Even if thats a few hundred more, at those price levels, a "few hundred" represents a 40% cheaper price for the mac mini. Some people just want a desktop.... An elegantly designed, quiet, and reliable desktop that runs leopard.
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by stamboman March 3, 2009 10:45 AM PST
OK - so we are mixing apples and oranges here. You cannot compare the cost of a Macintosh to the price of a laptop equipped with Windows XP or Vista. As most Macintosh owners know when you buy a Macintosh you are getting 3 computers for the price of one:
1) A Macintosh which means you get access to most of the commercially available software that you can get with a Windows based PC
2) An operating system built upon Berkeley's Free BSD which means you have access to the world of unix based woftware
3) The ability to easily dual boot the machine with Windows if you choose to.

So ... $600 plus the price of monitor/keyboard is not too bad. Of course, a Macintosh laptop is better but that is another story.
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by Polysorbate82 March 3, 2009 10:46 AM PST
I agree... way over priced. As is nearly everything Apple branded. Apple must be kidding with its pricing, and the Mac-Addicts who pay these prices to remain a member of a not so exclusive cult are insane.

Don't get me wrong I am a Mac user myself, but am less of one today then I was in 2005, 2001, or even 1992. Apple's monopoly on OS X has been ignored because no one really was buying its products until the iPod and now iPhone became trendy to own.

Even the cute and cuddly Blueberry iMac and iBook were relegated to the Mac faithful and schools. Apple's computer are now well designed Intel machines sporting the same components as PCs. No longer can apple argue it's hardware is superior therefore costs more.

Sure Apple has many great designs that you will pay a price for, but when they are only refreshed every 18 months, and as minimally as possible why buy one? Buy a Power Mac G4 from 5 years ago or a Macbook Pro from last year and they are virtually the same. The design has slightly evolved recently, but where is the innovation Apple claims to be all about. I haven't seen any real innovation from Apple in 5+ years when it comes to it's computers.

You can buy a PC (please calm down Mac users...) with WAY more power and technology, even laptops for the same price as a Mini.

Eventually as with all trends things will come to an end. Apple needs to get real with it's pricing and make it's "moderate" to "high end" computers within reach. Nobody who knows anything about computers would be satisfied with a Mac Mini. Adding 4gb of RAM to you're iMac cost $1000, really Apple? Is that 4gb of RAM made out of platinum or gold? What a joke, and anyone who buys it deserves the price to drop in a month much like the original iPhone.

:)
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by mrbofus March 3, 2009 10:48 AM PST
Even Apple's upgrade from the $599 to the $799 is ridiculously overpriced. To wit: As of this writing, a 2GB kit of two 1GB DDR3 PC-8500 1066MHz SODIMMs is $37.99 from Crucial. And a 320GB 5400 rpm notebook hard drive is about $70-80 after tax from various online retailers.

For the $200, you could get a 4GB RAM kit from Crucial for $65.99 and a 500GB 5400 rpm hard drive for $110 and still come out with some extra money.

And Apple charges $150 to go to 4GB of RAM and $175 to go to a 320GB drive.

I know, I know, all manufacturers charge a premium for upgrades done from the factory, but to charge nearly double seems a bit ludicrous.
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by ghaff March 3, 2009 10:50 AM PST
The thing I find the Mac mini potentially interesting for is to hook up to a TV. I've got a Shuttle there right now running XP but a mini would be nice. But I can't really justify a mini at its price tag for that. (The Mac mini specs are probably way overkill for that application to be sure, but I like the form factor.)
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by TornadoRed March 3, 2009 10:50 AM PST
David Carnoy says he would buy a $399 Mac Mini, but not one at $599. Com on now, David, you don't want or need either one, you;re not in the target customer group.

This is like the Car&Driver or Road&Track writer who owns and drives his own Porsche, but reviews a Toyota Yaris and tells you he'd buy one if only it had X and Y.
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by oblivion4evr March 3, 2009 10:53 AM PST
I agree $399 would be much better. I am a Mac guy, have been my whole life. Now on the down side, the mini is a very bad computer. I have one that I am working on right now. It over heats and when it does, it will crash. Its very slow but then again this is an older one. Its has the 1.66 processor with 2GB and its incredibly slow! In my opinion its great to get a Mac but this one leaves much to desired the only good point is that its small.
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by st430 March 3, 2009 10:56 AM PST
The only reason for buying a mac is mac OS.
Nothing more.
The hardware parts for all computer makers are all from the same factories.
There is no reason for one computer makers can sell you a laptop for 499 while mac mini with no lcd screen and battery cost more. If you had work in dell, hp, apple before...you know the parts are all the same...just design difference. The same intel cpu , nvidia chip set, samsung memory or motherboard
won't cost more for dell,hp vs apple.
The only reason price is not lower is that apple is more greedy and it figure you have to buy their
hardware to run their O/S...which a lot of people love.
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