My painfully poky week with IE 8
In the interest of broadening my horizons, I promised Microsoft I'd give Internet Explorer 8 a fair shake by trying the browser as my default for a week.
And, boy, am I glad that week is over.
Microsoft's browser rules the roost with about two-thirds of the market, according to Net Applications, which collects a broad set of data on which browsers people use. There's nothing like being built into the dominant operating system for winning a popularity contest. Microsoft takes advantage of that position by building instrumentation into IE that illuminates what a typical Web user is doing.
There's typical, and then there's me. As somebody who spends dozens of hours a week in a Web browser, I'm sorry to say IE 8 is not for me. Although my Web-heavy lifestyle isn't average, I believe the challenges I face on the Web foreshadow what the rest of the world will experience as the Internet inexorably encompasses ever more of our work and personal lives. I prefer browsers that aim toward where the puck is heading, as the tired but useful cliche goes.
IE 8 (download link) catches up to where the puck is today. It's definitely a big improvement over its predecessors, with some commendable features including default support for Web standards. And I do hope people upgrade.
It's just that in my personal experience, IE 8 is not in the same league as my default browsers, Google's Chrome or Mozilla's Firefox.
IE 8 can find RSS and Atom feeds for Web sites you can subscribe to, but only lets you use the browser, not Web sites, to view them.
(Credit: Screenshot by Stephen Shankland/CNET News)There are competitive points from these rivals that one might have thought would weigh in to my antipathy for IE 8. Google makes a big fuss about Chrome's high-performance JavaScript engine, which lets it run Web-based applications with greater sophistication and alacrity. Firefox fans adore the wealth of extensions that can tailor the browser to innumerable specific needs without cluttering the interface for those who don't want such features. Microsoft counters with a study that shows its page-loading speed generally beats out rivals.
Slooooooow
In reality, it was something more mundane that gave me a Pavlovian feeling of dread when I needed to use the browser: its interface is slow.
When it was time for basic interactions such as launching new tabs, switching tabs, closing tabs, commanding IE to open pages, and scrolling through pages, I found myself all too often waiting for the browser to respond to my mouse and keyboard. I did miss some Firefox extensions, even though I'm not a big user of them personally, and I did find Web applications like Gmail and Google Docs a bit slower. But those two gripes paled in comparison to performance.
Here's a sample diary entry from Tuesday, March 24: "31. Accidentally used Firefox for some browsing. What a relief!" I hadn't realized until that moment that I'd been inwardly cringing at IE 8 use.
The sluggishness problem got worse as my Lenovo dual-core laptop's 3GB memory was taxed by running the 10 or 12 programs I need to do my job. Most days, I shut down my Windows XP work machine once a day without thinking much about it. But during IE 8 week, I found myself craving a fresh start by mid-afternoon. IE 8 didn't bear the load as gracefully as rivals, especially as the tabs piled up.
Let me give some credit to Microsoft on the performance front, though. On my home machine, a Windows Vista 64-bit quad-core model with 6GB of memory, IE 8 was much more competitive with Chrome and Firefox, especially when compared with IE 7.
I liked the flexible search box abilities built into IE 8.
(Credit: Screenshot by Stephen Shankland/CNET News)
What I liked
There were a handful of features I liked about IE 8 besides the speed boost over IE 7. Chief among these features: accelerators, especially the one that would let me quickly show an address on a Windows Live map. It's not a competitive advantage that will lift IE above its competitors, but for me it was truly useful and time-saving, and already I miss it.
Web slices left me unmoved, perhaps because I didn't spend enough time signing up for feeds from publishers I cared about, but also because I didn't like losing the screen real estate. But I could see some folks enjoying it--the kind who aren't yet inundated with hundreds of RSS feeds.
I also think the security features have merit. Although I didn't encounter any malware or phishing warnings myself, I suspect the Net will be a safer place as people gradually upgrade to IE 8--or at least that the malware perpetrators will have to work harder. We all stand to gain if the number of spam-spewing, compromised computers decreases.
Another IE 8 improvement is tab isolation, which can keep the browser functioning even if one tab crashes. On three occasions over the week the browser shut down a tab that was misbehaving in some way; in one of those cases, the whole browser came down shortly after. Overall, though, I was disappointed with stability: in a week of IE 8 use, I had about as many browser crashes as with the raw developer preview versions of Chrome. The Firefox betas have crashed almost not at all for months.
Although I'm one of the rubes who likes Chrome's unified search and address bar, I did find IE 8's search options handy. You can get some preliminary searching done without running the whole thing, sampling the various search engines.
IE 8's color-coded tabs left me unmoved.
(Credit: Screenshot by Stephen Shankland/CNET News)
Niggling nitpicks
Aside from the performance problem, there were other stumbling blocks in IE 8. The worst tripped me up about 10 or 20 times a day.
I copy and paste URLs from the address bar incessantly, and Chrome, Firefox, and Safari let me do so quickly as follows: Ctrl-L, Ctrl-C. It's programmed into my muscle memory. But IE sends me to an "open" dialog box with Ctrl-L, rather than highlighting what's in the address bar. So to copy an URL, I have to use the mouse.
The dialog box approach might be clearer to average users, but it was a hindrance to somebody who's constantly shifting Web addresses from one program to another. And if Microsoft is interested in clear explanations, why is the right-click menu to copy a Web address labeled "copy shortcut"? (Update 7:15 a.m. PDT: Reader Scott Strzinek points out that you can use F6 to highlight the address bar text. I'd still prefer Ctrl-L, but it beats using the mouse.)
Another gripe: on many pages, including Gmail, Yahoo Mail, and Google Reader, clicking a link opens the page in a fresh tab in my preferred browsers. In IE, it would open a new window, making a mess of my already bursting-at-the-seams attempt to manage browser sprawl. The solution: get used to middle-clicking to keep the new page in an associated tab.
The dialog box to open a Web page, while seemingly innocuous, was the bane of my IE existence.
(Credit: Screenshot by Stephen Shankland/CNET News)The third biggest nit for me was tab navigation. I like where the new tabs appear--to the right of the tab from which they are spawned rather than to the far right of the list--but I had a hard time determining which tab is the active one.
It turns out the active tab is a smidgen taller than the others, but it's hard to detect. Unlike Chrome in particular, where the tab flows downward into the window, IE 8's tabs are graphically separated from the window they belong to.
The colored tabs that group related Web sites seem like a good idea in principle, but I found that they miscarried in practice for me. I found myself thinking the color was some sort of call to action. I grew inured after a few days, but I didn't ever find it useful.
Finally, no, IE, I do not want you to be my feed reader. I use Google Reader for various reasons, notably the ability to use any number of computers and two mobile phones at present.
Overall, my assessment depends on the point of comparison. I prefer Chrome and Firefox. Still, IE 8 is a big step forward from IE 7. And I, for one, encourage people to upgrade for the security alone.
Stephen Shankland writes about a wide range of technology and products, but has a particular focus on browsers and digital photography. He joined CNET News in 1998 and since then also has covered Google, Yahoo, servers, supercomputing, Linux and open-source software, and science. E-mail Stephen, or follow him on Twitter at http://www.twitter.com/stshank. 



Is IE8 really fat and slow?
Ed Bott
http://blogs.zdnet.com/Bott/?p=754
Also, IE8 crashes a lot.
Yani
type the following in the command prompt:
regsvr32 actxprxy.dll
That re-registers the ActiveX Interface Marshaling Library, an obscure DLL that most people (even Microsoft experts) had never heard about. (Update: 27-Mar: Note that if you try this using Windows Vista, you must do this from an elevated Command Prompt window; type cmd in the Start menu Search box, right-click the Cmd.exe shortcut, and then choose Run As Administrator. For detailed instructions with screen shots, see this post.) After restarting her computer, she tried using IE8 again. The results were stunning:...
so much faster!
For me, Ebay pages often take forever to display in Firefox. Snappy rendering in imperative when you are trying to win a competative bid.
It's actually nice to hear that others are also having problems with Firefox and Ebay.
> as the Internet inexorably encompasses ever more of our work and personal lives. I prefer browsers
> that aim toward where the puck is heading, as the tired but useful cliche goes.
Sounds like you're up to some pretty important stuff. *scrolls down about 6 lines* Oh, I see. Subscribing to Cute Overload. Watch out world, this man is on a mission and you'd better get out of his way. :-P
Icanhascheezburger.com gets all the love these days, and I have a soft spot in my heart for Cute Overload.
-1 for IE8
I can't even open up IE8 because it is sooooo slow compared to Chrome.
As for Chrome... can't stand it. Or Opera. Firefox has what I want and works how I work. I did try IE8 and had zero technical problems, but I just didn't like the user interface. It was definitely faster than firefox, though.
Even MS wouldn't do such a mistake, I also bet they even manage Mac IE secretly while they declared EOL long time ago.
Chrome is awesome because it dynamically generates binary machine code for javascript rather than interpreting it.
cmon Firefox is undefeatable,and opera is second ,it starts as fast as chrome and its feature-packed.
Give it about 3 patches and i think it will be worth it.
I used to use safari 3 a few months back but have now replaced it with chrome
and as usual I use firefox 3 as well
I hope there comes a day when we can have a browser with the customisability of firefox and the speed efficiency and UI of chrome
Yes but no other software nags me to install other programs when I try to update it.
If it doesn't, and you have Java installed on your machine....... disable the add-on that is installed for that in IE8. That solved my problem with slow speeds and I have informed Java about this problem. Supposedly, according to the reply I got, they are aware of this issue on some computers and are looking for a fix.
You have informed Java? Too bad their is no entity called Java.
With respect to the article, I am right with you on the Control+L issue. Why IE still persists with this Open URL dialog rather than moving focus to the URL field of the browser like every other browser is quite beyond me. It's not a problem but simply an unnecessary irritant.
/sarcasm
Also, IE 8 moves Microsoft a huge step toward standards compliance. And Microsoft is working on establishing better CSS compliance, too, by submitting test cases to the W3C:
http://blogs.msdn.com/ie/archive/2009/03/20/more-web-standards-tests-submitted-to-the-w3c.aspx
Yes, because their is no reason to explicitly support any browser. In fact, it is more work, time, and money to support a specific browser.
Point out a article stating firefox has majority marketshare.
What features does Safari and Firefox have built in to the browser that IE is just now trumpeting?
And with FF addons you can't claim that they copied firefox if the feature is not built in..
Just update your tab browser settings for IE8 (like you can for IE7) to force new content to open in a new tab rather than a new browser window. Sheesh... It appears you have not done your homework.
It's been a setting since IE7, and since you probably didn't have it set in IE7, it didn't move over to IE8.
The default was left at open in new window because of feedback on IE7. People weren't used to tabs (remember this was back in FF1.0 days!)
I tried Safari 4 beta and generally like it until I discovered that, even with with only 4 tabs open, it chewed through 1GB RAM. As with most Apple software that runs on PC's, the Safari developer haven't figure out Windows memory management.
but chrome is the best when it comes to memory usage
Using %hhhhh is not a valid color format; you need to use %hhhhhh instead.
Do this tweak and youll notice a difference.
http://www.edbott.com/weblog/?p=2443
- by sroussey March 31, 2009 8:28 AM PDT
- ALT-D = Location Bar in every browser. Not sure why Firefox added CNTL-L. Maybe to confuse people and make them use their own keyboard shortcut to get people to lock in with them. Worked on me.
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- by sillygoosen March 31, 2009 9:00 AM PDT
- ya exactly. i just posted a rant about this too. writer lost some credibility with me for not bothering to look up what the shortcut was in IE. Kind of a bogus article if you aren't going to bother to look up how to do something in the browser your using. I was used to CTRL+L but it only took a day to get used to ALT+D.
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- by cnet_user_0 March 31, 2009 9:57 AM PDT
- @sillygoosen
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- by sillygoosen March 31, 2009 10:24 AM PDT
- cnet_user_0: you hit the nail on the head. i can handle a split second longer loading speed for a web page for the advantages of IE8. IMO anyway.
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- by Shankland March 31, 2009 10:50 AM PDT
- Dinging me for Alt-D (or F6) is fine, since I harped on it, but my main gripe was sluggishness.
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- by nyolsson March 31, 2009 11:10 PM PDT
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- by nyolsson March 31, 2009 11:33 PM PDT
- im not saying chrome is perfect. but i mean come on. i remember using IE to open .jpgs and other pictures in v2.0.
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- by pmchefalo April 4, 2009 3:40 AM PDT
- Then there's the venerable Ctrl-C / Ctrl-V copy / paste combo that the genius Mr. Shankland doesn't know about as well. Poor article, the guy is a neophyte.
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- by steven3x April 7, 2009 10:00 PM PDT
- Also, F4 will highlight the location bar in IE (or F6 in Mozilla Firefox and Google Chrome), so either that or Alt-D as mentioned both avoid the need to use to mouse.
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Showing 1 of 6 pages (186 Comments)I agree with you completely when you say that the write lost credibility. I think his main aim was to flame IE8 'cause he wants other browsers to follow his favorite browsers, ignoring standards left and right.
I installed IE8 on my Lenovo Vista-based laptop with 2GB and it rocks! As long as it is faster than its predecessor, that's enough for me. I certainly don't care for Firefox and Chrome.
For me, I use IE8 'cause the OS is by Microsoft and it gives a sense of assurance that Microsoft will act if there is a problem with IE8 or its OS. I can't say the same for the makers of Firefox and Chrome.
"and it gives a sense of assurance that Microsoft will act if there is a problem with IE8 or its OS. I can't say the same for the makers of Firefox and Chrome."
dude, i'm not gonna fan boyishly bash what ya just said, i love ms, well windows inparticularly.... but sense of assurance?
google is constantly coming out with updates for chrome. i mean, its basically an alpha build browser, that is 99 times out of a 100, faster (safari's up there), more reliable, and simply put, easier than any other browser. Chrome's management platform for downloading could use some work but man,
Chrome has barely been around for 8 MONTHS-ish and smokes the what, 8th VERSION of IE....
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like i said, chrome has been out since, what like early fall / late summer-ish 08, on the second beta build of its existence, and smokes IE.
dragging tabs out of the browser..... the find feature is awesome! you guys notice it adds a little color to the browser's scroll bar as to where the "found" word(s) are located... thats if ya dont want to hit enter to find the next listing. ha.