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April 27, 2009 9:00 PM PDT

Mozilla releases Firefox 3.5 beta

by Stephen Shankland
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Mozilla on Monday released beta 3.5 of Firefox, a revamp of the open-source Web browser designed to include better performance, several new Web programming features, and a private browsing mode.

The earlier betas had been numbered 3.1, but Mozilla switched to the version 3.5 name after concluding the changes were more significant than it envisioned earlier. Mozilla has said earlier the fourth beta will the last, with more polished release candidates expected before the final version of Firefox 3.5 is released. You can download Firefox 3.5 beta 4 from CNET Download.com for Windows and Mac.

The software emerges amid what's become a fiercely competitive browser market. Microsoft has released a significant new version, Internet Explorer 8, while Google has entered the market with Chrome and Apple is trying to secure a Windows foothold for its Safari browser. Firefox holds second place in market share to IE.

Among the changes compared with the current Firefox 3.0.x versions are the faster TraceMonkey engine for running Web sites' JavaScript programs; built-in JSON (JavaScript Object Notation) technology for exchanging data between servers and browsers; support for tags to describe audio and video content the way images have been available for years; the private browsing mode for leaving no traces on your computer while surfing; support for technology to let permitted applications know the user's location; and support for the Web workers standard for letting a browser perform processing in the background without holding back a Web application's user interface.

There are a number of known problems with Gmail and with AVG SafeSearch v8.0 on Windows, and as usual, many of those extensions that are so popular on Firefox could break. For details, check the release notes.

Stephen Shankland writes about a wide range of technology and products, but has a particular focus on browsers and digital photography. He joined CNET News in 1998 and since then also has covered Google, Yahoo, servers, supercomputing, Linux and open-source software, and science. E-mail Stephen, or follow him on Twitter at http://www.twitter.com/stshank.
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by goodspeed8701 April 27, 2009 10:58 PM PDT
YEH!!! ANOTHER BUG GALORE. DONT WORRY TILL ITS FIRE FOX 8 I WILL STILL STICK TO IE AND OPERA.
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by MrBoomshadow April 28, 2009 5:21 AM PDT
....and the CAPS LOCK key, evidently. What bugs did you experience in Firefox? I use it every day, all day, with no trouble, even with 30 add-ons and 12 tabs open constantly.
by sksunil April 28, 2009 5:48 AM PDT
You might not be a web developer :) U havent enjoyed the firefox plugins. thats y you said like that
by TotallyMadeUpName April 28, 2009 6:32 AM PDT
Goodspeed8701, you think that because IE has a higher version number, it is better?? What a dope.
by pithenumber April 28, 2009 1:04 PM PDT
IE and Opera permanently enabled your CAPS LOCK key
good for you
by beat_elite April 28, 2009 1:36 PM PDT
i lol'd @ pithenumber's comment. personally though i can't wait till firefox 3.5 is out of beta and all the minor bugs are fixed so i can download it.
by jake3373 April 28, 2009 2:27 PM PDT
I own a few websites, and IE is always the only browser that I have problems with. Everything always works perfectly in Firefox, Chrome, and Safari. Also, I couldn't live without add-ons - I wouldn't have a website without them.
by menon.nrk April 28, 2009 4:02 PM PDT
Today as I opened Firefox online I was asked to download 3.5 which I clicked. Installed in a minute, Firefox 3.5 is ok with me, even though, unlike IE, one cannot read all Malayalam news in it. In IE you can. Kerala has 32 million people and until Firefox enables Malayalam font, you cannot expect IE to be replaced.
by Mrsone April 28, 2009 7:58 PM PDT
@ MrBoomshadow:

I have 73 addons and about 7 tabs open constantly, and even when I am running Firefox and WoW simultaneously I have no problems with it.
by Angmarr April 27, 2009 11:28 PM PDT
/|\ Damn a Fox Troll get to it first,

anyhow, I'm definitely waiting for so called Private Browsing! And addons get compatible super fast so its not a big deal!
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by tm_anon April 28, 2009 12:00 AM PDT
Funny, with a name like goodspeed, I'd expect him to use something that actually has good speed.
by Angmarr April 28, 2009 12:06 AM PDT
@ tm_anon

= )
by jolophi22 April 28, 2009 1:35 AM PDT
Yes, finally it's here. I've been itching to test out this 3.5 release by Mozilla. I really hope it's even better than the previous beta releases. Remember "A great speed is essential, for a great browsing experience".
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by Danang7777 April 28, 2009 2:22 AM PDT
Good!
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by DarkHawke April 28, 2009 2:37 AM PDT
Sounds like Firefox will get faster performance before Chrome will get extension support. Assuming the speed will be roughly equal (YMMV), Chrome's remaining virtue will be having a separate process for each tab--which is a good thing, no doubt, but ain't enough to get me to switch on its own. Google now MUST step up to the plate and implement a first-class extension system or be relegated to Opera-level obscurity.
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by seven7dust April 28, 2009 2:40 AM PDT
but still opera is safe thats all there is to it !
not to mention 90% of Browser innovation comes from the little company !
by Efrow April 28, 2009 8:57 AM PDT
Opera rocks! My #1 browser, with Firefox 2nd and IE as a last resort.
by Angmarr April 29, 2009 8:20 AM PDT
ya really want to see what Google is planning to do!
Firefox all the way!
by vashyoung April 28, 2009 4:44 AM PDT
my primary browser is firefox 3.1beta3 then i have safari and chrome also for testing purposes.

i have tested firefox 3.5beta4 using iMac / mac os x ver10.4.11 / 2.1 GHz PPC G5 / 512 MB so far
speed been double than the previous release...

and its twice faster than Safari Version 3.2.1 (4525.27.1)

i hope the competition gets better so that i wont worry about the load time of most heavily scripted site... im happy with the innovation... for firefox
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by exactlyy April 28, 2009 6:30 AM PDT
the great Firefox is now much better,much faster ..really double speed from previous version .
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by sparrowhyperion April 28, 2009 6:42 AM PDT
I love how they call IE8 a major release. Yup it's major alright... A major pile of bugs. I can't get it to open for more than three minutes before it starts popping up error windows that it has stopped working and has to close, even though it IS still running.. I love Firefox, I have been running it for about 2 years without any major problems. Although I hope they do something about it's issues with Ebay because I used to use IE7 JUST for that site, but now IE8 has more issues with it than Firefox so I'm back to Firefox even though I get slowdowns on Ebay with it.
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by rtuinenburg April 28, 2009 7:51 AM PDT
I can't believe how Microsoft just sat on their ass for so many years, then Firefox comes along, and starts gaining market share and blowing them away with so many cool features. Microsoft then decided oh, we better do another release to play catchup. Even big companies with all the resources available to them, get lazy. Lazy is what will get you in trouble every time. They are the playing catchup and doing a bad job of it. Some webpages do no even load in IE 8, I heard NYTimes.com does not work in IE 8 when the browser was released. I also think its crazy how they have ActiveX compatibility mode. Do they actually expect people to switch into that mode when they come across a webpage that uses activex? Just drop it already. ActiveX is dangerous to use anyways. It has been shot to pieces by hackers. If consumers really want to use activeX, let them use IE 7. I really hope all these browsers keep synced on all standards, I really would hate to see a repeat of early 2000's where netscape and IE started to split apart, where the developer had to make all kinds of adjustments to stay compatible with both browsers. Imagine writing code that tries to be compatible with 4 or 5 browsers.
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by Silr J May 9, 2009 3:01 AM PDT
"Imagine writing code that tries to be compatible with 4 or 5 browsers."
I currently do.
Firefox, Chrome, Opera, IE6, IE 7.
Granted Firefox, Chrome and Opera are easy to write common code for, there have been a minor number of differences. We haven't even begun looking at IE8.
by goodspeed8701 April 28, 2009 8:30 AM PDT
I USED IT AND STILL DONT LIKE IT. DO YOU GUYS THINK SURFING THE WEB IS ABOUT SPEED? LOL I CANT EVEN MAKE ANY USE OF THE SPEED. I HAVE A 2GHZ CPU AND 3GIG OF RAM RUNNING WINDOWS 7 BUILD 7057 AND ALL I CAN SAY IS SPEED. IE 8 IS NOT FAST ENOUGH BUT ITS NOT SLOW TOO. COMPARE THE POWER AND USABILITY NOT SPEED. SPEED IS USELESS COS I KNOW YOU CANT USE A F1 CAR IN THE ROAD AS OTHER CARS.
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by drno7 April 28, 2009 9:59 AM PDT
hey dude..kill the caps..its like your yelling..i have used ie8 and so far its better than ie7..but i prefer FF 3, still faster than IE
by Angmarr April 28, 2009 11:55 AM PDT
@ goodspeed8701

What are these power and usability that you keep talking about that IE8 is supposed to have AND that Firefox seems to lack???

considering that you do agree that Firefox is faster - although Chrome is the fastest BUT speed is not the reason that Makes Firefox the best Browser!
by ddesy April 28, 2009 12:19 PM PDT
Let's see... all caps all the time and claims of Firefox being inferior to IE? You know that actually makes Firefox look better, right?
by pithenumber April 28, 2009 1:05 PM PDT
IE definitely broke your capslock key
by Hellcat April 28, 2009 2:15 PM PDT
Dude you should call yourself slowpoke because the speed of a browser does make a difference. Would you rather have a 4 cylinder or a 6? Would you bet on a horse that always comes in last place or that usually comes in first? Most people want a computer that will do tasks the fastest and a browser that will render pages fast. Now I'm not saying IE8 is a bad browser, it does have some good ideas behind it but most of those ideas you can get by using add-ons for Firefox.

Now the thing I'm surprised about is that Mozilla hasn't taken some of the useful add-ons like Tabs Mix Plus and All-in-one sidebar and had them put in Firefox itself. To many addons does slow down the browser a little bit but if they put some key featrues from TMP and AIOS it will speed up the browser a bit. I would say also add ABP and no script but I don't think they would do that since they get rid of adds.

I hear Chrome will allow ABP and no script addons on their browser, but I think they said its ok only if it doesn't block Google adds...thats just a guess.
by jake3373 April 28, 2009 2:33 PM PDT
Nobody will listen to you if you write in all caps.

Also, what do you do in IE? Firefox has way more "power and usability" than IE. It also installs faster, is safer, doesn't have as many bugs, and my favorite - Add-Ons!

Try going to oleytroop569.org in Firefox and then try it in IE - the IE version of that website sucks, but it looks great in Firefox!
by dbloyd April 28, 2009 10:14 AM PDT
WHAT ARE THE THINGS YOU LIKE ABOUT IE8 THAT FIREFOX DOESN'T GIVE YOU?
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by Angmarr April 28, 2009 11:55 AM PDT
lol
by mach_mover April 28, 2009 5:31 PM PDT
Hi folks. Just love the comments. I use IE8 and have since the final release. I've always been a great fan of Firefox. IE8 starts several seconds faster on my machine. (cold start too) I'm not worried about using the "compatibility mode" because it does work great. Also, IE8's InPrivate Browsing is awesome. Firefox is just now coming out with that.

I know many people like the add-ons for Firefox, and I've used them as well. So, if that's what you like, hell yea, use Firefox. Although IE8 does have many new features that have so far blown Firefox clear out of the water.

I don't know how some other people claim Firefox starts faster. Maybe Firefox 3 vs. IE7. Anyhow, I'm not bashing Firefox or IE. I've rarely had any trouble with either. Upgrading to 4 gigs of RAM helped I'm sure.
by Angmarr April 29, 2009 8:36 AM PDT
@ mach_mover

ya its definitely the addons, but the other reason that i use Firefox is that
1. No active x (not much to say here)
2. easier JavaScript control (preventing websites from changing the browser window, context menu, etc)
3. Super customizable (Add/Remove/Move navigation buttons and stuff)

but ya cant live without my (Quick Drag, Answers, Link alert, tab mix, Google preview, Mediaplayerconnectivity, Themes & like 10+ more addons)
by rzpogi April 28, 2009 10:28 AM PDT
I have been using Firefox since I got this PC in 2006. Works very well but its startup is slow if you have too many addons.

But for emergency browsing purposes, eg e-mail that I am expecting and using facebook and internet forums, Opera is my choice.

IE has only one purpose for me: getting microsoft updates.
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by jake3373 April 28, 2009 2:34 PM PDT
FYI: If you download the "IE Tab" add-on, you can get microsoft update in firefox. Then there is no need to see IE's ugly face.
by politimmy April 28, 2009 11:03 AM PDT
I thought FF won this argument long ago. Note to Windows users: Not all of MS software is worth the hassle or insecurity that it brings. IE is at the top of that not so great software list. The less you can get by using it the better off you are.
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by Shutterstuff April 28, 2009 11:30 AM PDT
The pop-up blocker in FF sucks! It gets worse with each release.
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by beat_elite April 28, 2009 1:44 PM PDT
really? what sites are you visiting because firefox blocks all the pop ups on my sites and ads w/ adblock +. the only reason i can see you get major pop ups is if u browse Pr0n all day long.
by politimmy April 28, 2009 3:16 PM PDT
Is it turned on? I have not seen a pop up in I don't know how long.
by Silr J May 9, 2009 3:05 AM PDT
agree with poitimmy.. i just realised how long it's been since I've seen a popup. Wait, do they even exist any more?
by pithenumber April 28, 2009 1:06 PM PDT
yay!
**waits for the RC**
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by ofmyony April 28, 2009 1:29 PM PDT
In this new Firefox beta I have noticed that the pointers spinning circle is gone. I noticed pages loading but no spinning circle. Is this new? I hope so, the spinning circle is annoying.

I agree that the increased speed is great. I have yet to wait before scrolling down a web page. I hope the results I have experienced so far will not change much over time, I like this new beta so far.
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by Silr J May 9, 2009 3:06 AM PDT
are you referring to that vista spinning blue circle thingy?
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