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Is DVD movie pricing holding Blu-ray back?

by Don Reisinger
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Blu-ray U.S. disc sales have tripled in the past year, according to The Digital Entertainment Group, but there's a slight problem--Blu-ray sales are still lower than where film studios would like them to be, and there's no indication that Blu-ray sales will top DVD sales anytime soon.

The studios blame Blu-ray's performance on the economy, and claim that if we were enjoying better economic times, the format's sales would be higher.

But there's one person, Bill Mechanic, a film producer and former Fox Filmed Entertainment chief, who believes there's more to this story.

"I think it's one part recession, but there are bigger factors," Mechanic told The Wrap in an interview. "That's a misreading of consumer behavior as well as a misreading of the economic environment. It's devalued the libraries."

"If you can buy 'Titanic' for $4.99," Mechanic continued, "[consumers will say] 'Well, wait a minute...'" when they consider buying another film on Blu-ray at a substantially higher price.

"There's no rhyme or reason of what I see in the market place in terms of pricing," Mechanic said.

He has a point. Even on Amazon.com, where Blu-ray movies are usually priced at their cheapest level, there's a major difference between DVD pricing and Blu-ray pricing. In fact, an older film like "Independence Day" is currently being offered on DVD for $14.99 and on Blu-ray for $25.99. A DVD of a new film, "The Dark Knight," is retailing for $14.99 on the site, while its Blu-ray counterpart is going for $23.99.

It sure looks like DVD pricing is holding Blu-ray back.

There's no debating that Blu-ray is a superior format to DVD. But as Mechanic told The Wrap, studios are expecting consumers to replace their DVD collections with Blu-ray, so they're dropping the prices on DVDs to get every last dime out of the format. All the while, they're doing their best to keep Blu-ray prices higher to capitalize on what they expect will be high consumer demand for the high-def format.

Maybe the plan is starting to backfire. Last week, Viacom released its quarterly earnings and reported that its home entertainment sales dropped 6 percent in the last quarter. Fox Filmed Entertainment DVD sales fell 15 percent last quarter, while Time Warner's Warner Bros. division reported a 24 percent decline in DVD sales over the same period.

Those aren't reassuring figures. They also underscore another issue: Blu-ray may not be the savior the film studios are looking for. So far, the market has grown and each week, more Blu-ray films are hitting store shelves. But at some point, the DVD pricing conundrum will need to be addressed. After all, why should I buy the same film on Blu-ray for $24.99 when I can get it on DVD for $14.99? Sure, it's only $10 and I'm getting a superior format, but is the difference so great that it would make me want to switch?

Based on my testing with an upconverting DVD player and PlayStation 3 on my 50-inch Panasonic plasma, I'm hard-pressed to pick Blu-ray at such a drastic price difference. Sure, I get better quality, but is it worth $10 to me? Maybe once. But that difference starts piling up quickly and an entire library of Blu-ray films would cost me hundreds more than if I bought them on DVD. That's an issue.

Even rentals are more expensive
But it doesn't just end with sales. Rentals are also more expensive. In fact, Redbox, the rental company that puts kiosks in stores around the country and allows customers to rent a film for $1 per day, announced last week that its current Blu-ray pricing model of $1 per day isn't working and it would be forced to raise the price of Blu-ray rentals. The company's executives wouldn't say how much more the company would charge for Blu-ray.

Worse, Netflix, which adds a $1 monthly charge to its subscription plans for those who want to add Blu-ray rentals, announced in its earnings call last month that its online streaming service is outpacing Blu-ray rentals. According to Reed Hastings, the company's CEO, Blu-ray subscriptions grew 40 percent since September to about 700,000, but in the same period, "millions" of subscribers have started using the company's streaming offering.

Is that a response to convenience or to price? One thing is certain: there is a pricing issue in the space. How much longer can Blu-ray be priced more than $10 higher than DVD before movie studios wake up and realize that the closer Blu-ray is priced to DVDs, the more value consumers will see in the format?

Maybe they've already woken up to that reality. Just last week, a report from Josh Dreuth at Blu-ray.com, explained that movie studios have quietly started dropping the prices of Blu-ray discs and some films can be purchased at a price that's within $5 of their DVD counterparts.

In fact, Blu-ray versions of "The 40-Year-Old Virgin" and "Iron Man" are currently on sale at Amazon for $14.99 and $18.99, respectively. The DVD version of "The 40-Year-Old Virgin" is priced at $9.99, while "Iron Man" on DVD is on sale for $17.99.

Unfortunately, those two films are more the exception than the norm. Based on my research, there are a select few films that are priced so closely to their DVD counterparts, but I should note that each day, more Blu-ray films are being reduced in price. In fact, Tuesday, I received a list of 55 Blu-ray films from Amazon that it just lowered prices on. Some are priced as low as $14.99.

About time
To me, it's all about value. Am I getting more value out of a respective Blu-ray film that I'm paying more for than its DVD alternative? At a $10 difference, the film better be a blockbuster hit with outstanding visuals. If it doesn't have both, I'll choose the DVD. But if the price difference is nominal and rentals are priced just $1 apart, I'll pick Blu-ray every time.

Maybe my rationalization is all wrong, but I do put a price on value and so far, Blu-ray pricing is outrageous. The film studios would be right to drop prices quickly and bring them down to a level that's more consistent with DVDs. I realize Blu-ray is a superior format, but let's face it--it's not so superior that we can justify spending $10 more per film just to have it. Especially with HD streaming looming.

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Don Reisinger is a technology columnist who has written about everything from HDTVs to computers to Flowbee Haircut Systems. Don is a member of the CNET Blog Network, and posts at The Digital Home. He is not an employee of CNET. Disclosure.

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by baggyguy1218 February 17, 2009 10:29 AM PST
This is correct. I bought a 52 inch Samsing ToC and its incredible, but I do not have a Blu-Ray player or PS3. I do not intend to buy either for some time. I have Netflix and streem HD through my Xbox 360 and its great. I would but a PS3 or Player if I knew that the movies I bought were priced in a way would want to buy/ rent the new format. At this time I am waiting for the same reasons everyone else is; its not worth it.
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by john55440 February 17, 2009 10:29 AM PST
When I custom ordered a new computer, I decided against getting a Blu-Ray drive. The decision was because of movie disk prices, not because of the price of the drive.

HD video steaming is a long, long, long, way off. According to Pew Research, only "55% of adult Americans now have broadband internet connections at home." Of those, many have low-end DSL, which isn't fast enough for HD downloads.
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by rcrusoe February 17, 2009 12:33 PM PST
". . . many have low-end DSL, which isn't fast enough for HD downloads". That's not my experience.

I rent HD movies from iTunes and even on my 3.5 mb dsl they are ready to watch in 5-10 minutes.
by Zoobie February 17, 2009 1:04 PM PST
Many phone companies offer DSL at speeds as low as 700 kb and call it "high speed," which it may be if you are switching from 56k dial-up. 3.5 mb is middle of the road, not low end. Besides, I don't think any cable or DSL company has the band-width to withstand all customers streaming HD movies--we'd crash the internet if that happened.
by notgonnatellya February 17, 2009 8:30 PM PST
Rcruso, what you're watching is not high definition. To compare an overly compressed 720p video to a 1080p movie is ridiculous. I've seen "HD" like that, and even on a computer monitor, the artifacts are apparent.
by sparrowhyperion February 17, 2009 10:37 AM PST
Blue Ray will not pick up market share until the prices for the disks and the hardware needed to play them, comes down to the level of DVDs. Most folks do not own a Blue Ray player, whereas DVD players are as ubiquitous as the VCR became by the 90s. VHS did not pass quietly to beyond the vale until DVD movies and players became as low priced as VHS. Now both VHS and DVD hardware prices are almost at commodity levels. When Blue Ray drops to a reasonable level, people will start buying more of them. Remember that Blue Ray on MOST current TV sets will not really improve the image over DVD or even VHS, Only the newer sets can really take advantage of Blue Rays potential. And at the prices they are still at, it will probably be a while before people go digital and Hi-Def.
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by wangbang February 17, 2009 10:48 AM PST
When the record companies moved to a new format, the CD, they used that as an excuse to permanently jack up the price. Sorry, I ain't playing that game anymore. Blu-Ray needs to come down to the same price as DVDs ($19.99 for new, $15.99 or lower on sale).
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by jeffgoblue February 17, 2009 10:48 AM PST
The perceived quality gap between DVD and Blue-ray is much smaller than the one between VHS and DVD, especially when up-converting players are used. As a result, Blue-Ray can't sell on quality alone. Get the players down to $100, and get the discs closer to DVDs, and the product will start to move.
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by erock1974 February 17, 2009 11:45 AM PST
Too true. I have a 52", 1080p, 24fps tv, and a blue-ray player. Blue-ray definitely looks better, but not THAT much better. I also have a receiver that will decode the BR sound formats; again, they do sound better, but good old Dolby 5.1 sounds good too. I'll watch BR when available, but am almost as happy watching DVD.
by shardsofmetal February 17, 2009 9:18 PM PST
In addition, VHS and DVD used the same resolution, SD video. Since Blu-ray requires HD to see any quality difference, you first need an HDTV. I don't see Blu-ray sales surpassing DVD sales until enough people have HDTVs. I would say in a couple of years, when HDTVs cost even less, and hopefully BDs cost less, the format might really catch on. But since it's much more expensive now per title, and you need a BD player and HDTV to take full advantage, I think we just have to wait for prices to go down.
by walterwood February 17, 2009 10:51 AM PST
I bought a new 42-inch HDTV before Christmas and a Blu-Ray player was included with the set. The Blu-Ray player is still in the sealed box and I am trying to sell it. There is no way I will pay $10 for a movie rental much less $25 to buy one. My Sony upconverting DVD player works fine. Once the prices come down I may buy a PS3 (with Blu-Ray) but they are also too expensive at the moment.
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by jbail51 February 22, 2009 7:39 AM PST
how much to sell the blue ray player and what brand is it?
by mdubay February 17, 2009 10:51 AM PST
Didn't we have this debate before! It was the VHS vs. DVD conversion...listen, we love Blu-Ray, I own a player and two movies. Only because I will slowly find movies I love, that I would want on BR. Otherwise, I can watch the movies I already own (300+) on DVD, using the same BR player. I feel no rush in purchasing BR movies unless on-sale and the movie is fantastic.
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by karpenterskids February 17, 2009 12:02 PM PST
Same here! Unless it's a huge favorite in my house (Dark Knight, Lord of the Rings, etc), I'd much rather save money by simply buying the DVD.
by shinelikeitdoes February 17, 2009 3:19 PM PST
the thing about VHS to DVD was that at that point there was at least the added benefit of the compact size of the DVD format and its durability.

Blu Ray simply doesn't offer anything beyond increased picture quality, which as many have pointed out, is negligible enough as to not be worth the difference in cost from DVD.
by vikinzer February 17, 2009 10:54 AM PST
Let's make that a whole lot more painful for the studios shall we. What about people who wouldn't even buy blue-ray if it were the same price as DVD. If I already own something then the price premium over DVD isn't 10, it's the entire price of the blue-ray disc. I have a 32 in LCD screen. It is large enough that I notice the advantage of High Def. However, I only care for certain types of films. While I would love to have Transformers on Blue-Ray, I don't care about say Miracle on 34th street, or for that matter even the Princess Bride. When I finally get a Blue-Ray player I still won't replace my DVDs because the Blue-Ray player will still play them. They don't take up any more space that Blue-Ray, and for most films they are good enough.

Your conclusion is correct, but your reasons paint a far rosier picture for the studios than they even deserve. They're up a creek and they wouldn't know how to use a paddle if one hit them in the face, some day they are going to figure that out.
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by Zoobie February 17, 2009 1:28 PM PST
Well said.

Beyond some Pixar movies that my kids can't seem to get enough of, most DVDs are viewed a few times while new, but after a while just sit on the shelf and collect dust. Why would I pay to buy a Blu-Ray version of a movie I already own that I haven't watched in the past year or more? Off the top of my head, I can't think of anything I'd buy again just to get a little better picture.
by shardsofmetal February 18, 2009 11:25 AM PST
Good point. I don't know many people who immediately replaced their VHS collection with DVDs (my family still owns some VHS tapes). It's a process that you slowly do, as you see a movie you own for $5 or $10 on DVD. But the difference there, as mentioned, is also that DVDs take up less room. In addition, you only had to keep them from getting scratched, you didn't also have to keep them away from magnets or anything. And since Blu-ray doesn't offer any difference like that, and BD players can play DVDs (unlike how DVD players couldn't play VHS), in most cases it doesn't seem practical to update your whole collection to BD. However, to buy new movies on BD might be practical once the price difference narrows, if you have already spent the money on a BD player.
by zizzybaloobah February 17, 2009 10:56 AM PST
For most consumers, DVD video quality is 'good enough' and the price difference for Blu-Ray isn't justifiable. They certainly aren't going to replace their existing libraries en masse.

For the most part, the idea of 'owning' a movie is done: why pay when you can rent for cheap (or download or stream) -- the extras and special features are seldom compelling enough to close the sale. Furthermore, the studios ticked off loyal customers with the endless parade of releases for a single feature (extended, extended director's cut, platinum edition, extended platinum unicorn edition, etc.) - who wants to commit when they fear a better release might be around the corner?
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by Joseph Dubin February 18, 2009 8:50 AM PST
I agree.

Wonder if the industry didn't take into account the fact that consumers have already collected a vast amount of DVDs over the years (mine is over 700) and have no desire to replace them for the limited increase one gets over upscaling. Since most titles have been available on DVD for a long time, purchases would be limited to new titles or the replacement of a handful of favorites.


There is a difference in video quality and I'm sure many of us have been tempted to go blu ray, but economicly, it doesn't justify junking an existing good quality DVD player in perfect working order for the few titles we would be adding to our collections.
by supoman February 17, 2009 10:58 AM PST
No. $200+ DVD players that offer marginally better performance than regular $50 DVD players that upconvert to 1080p are holding Blu Ray back!!
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by Esquirrel February 23, 2009 7:44 PM PST
I hear that. I just got a free Toshiba upconverting player from Amazon for review purposes, and it makes standard DVDs look pretty good on a 46" screen from about 10 feet away. I've got a good surround system, but, face it, how many home systems are going to reveal the additional detail on a BluRay soundtrack? Most people have crud speakers that choke it all out anyway. With the economic downturn, I don't know why anyone would be in a hurry to load up on BluRay stuff that is likely to be outmoded by the time the recession is over. Priorities, people.
by ibeetle February 17, 2009 10:59 AM PST
The pricing examples given are misleading. The plain vanilla single disc edition DVD is being compared to the deluxe edition Blu-ray. When one compares the deluxe 2 disc edition to the features found on the similar Blu-ray the price difference shrinks to less than $3.00.

Blu-ray disc are more expensive. However, they are coming down in price. Amazon currently a small library of about 50 Blu-ray disc that are actually cheaper than their DVD counterparts.

When DVD's where first introduced they were $30-50 dollars and many of their VHS tape counterparts where under $20.00. Prices really did not start to fall until retailers and manufactures, along with the entertainment industry systematically discontinued VHS.
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by djdj February 17, 2009 11:22 AM PST
Does it matter whether the comparison is between single edition DVD vs deluxe Blu-ray? You can't buy a vanilla Blu-ray version. Price conscious consumers see that. And an awful lot of viewers don't care about extras on their movie discs.

$30-50 for DVDs when they came out? That's a bunch of hooey. I was the first consumer to buy DVD player in my area in early 1997, and the discs were consistently $20-$30.
by Zoobie February 17, 2009 1:32 PM PST
Watching a movie with directors commentary isn't fun. Why would I pay extra for that garbage? They should pay me for putting up with their narcissistic self-indulgence.
by purpleLightning February 17, 2009 1:41 PM PST
Yes, it matters, djdj, because not every BluRay vs. DVD release is going to be launched special edition only on BD vs standard edition only on DVD. So it's a comparison that artificially inflates the gap to compare special edition vs. standard edition. When you compare same edition in both formats, the gap in pricing right now is $3-4.
by techjunkie1234 February 17, 2009 11:02 AM PST
How much more does a person enjoy watching a movie on BR vs. DVD? 40%? I doubt it. 10%? Maybe. I doubt BR will ever take off until it as at most a 20% premium over DVD. What percentage of movie buyers even own a 42" or bigger HD TV? Anything smaller or standard defintion would get little to no increase in resolution.
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by rrod182 February 17, 2009 11:05 AM PST
I agree with everyone that the quality does not really justify the price. It won't be long before mainstream Hollywood films are shot with quality that far exceeds BR anyway. One thing that I was hoping for was that Sony would take more advantage of the capacity. I mean why can't they use that to offer a complete television season on a 1 disc rather than 4. I don't need to watch The Office or Weeds in HD.

When BR saves me money I'll jump, until them it's impractical.
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by hexjones February 20, 2009 9:08 AM PST
Hollywood films have been shot with quality that far exceeds BR for a long time. If you were to project a good 35mm print from the 60's of a film onto your wall even at a "small" 60" diagonal screen size, it would look so real you would think that you could walk into it.
by superswiss February 17, 2009 11:16 AM PST
"Worse, Netflix, which adds a $1 monthly charge to its subscription plans for those who want to add Blu-ray rentals, announced in its earnings call last month that its online streaming service is outpacing Blu-ray rentals. According to Reed Hastings, the company's CEO, Blu-ray subscriptions grew 40 percent since September to about 700,000, but in the same period, "millions" of subscribers have started using the company's streaming offering"

I think this says much more about the state of Blu-ray. I do own a PS3 and I largely bought it for it's Blu-ray player and media player features in general. Having said that, though, I've never bought a single DVD and I won't ever buy a Blu-ray. I don't see the point of owning a movie. I used to rent a lot of DVDs before I got my first DVR 5 or 6 years ago. Since then, I rented about one DVD per year or less. The majority of the movies I watch at home were recorded on HBO HD and a very small number of movies were downloaded. Big movies, I go see at the theater.

If I'm not mistaken, the movie watching population is mostly young and childless, because they have the time to go to the movie theaters. Given that a Blu-ray today costs more than two movie tickets, I really question what the movie studios are thinking.
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by mahlerfan999 February 18, 2009 4:14 PM PST
You are mistaken. Why are there so many family movies if it's mostly single 20 somethings that watch movies?

Many, many people rent or buy dvds. That is why you can find video rental stores in every town, red boxes in every walmart, and even grocery stores and gas stations sell dvds.

You really couldn't be more out of touch!
by cpopken February 18, 2009 4:58 PM PST
Well, when I go to the theater with my wife and two kids, it cost us about $30 before snacks. If a blu-ray disc costs $25, there is at least a $5 savings right there, and I don't have to put up with people talking and texting on their phones.
by viper396 February 18, 2009 5:07 PM PST
"...the movie watching population is mostly young and childless" Wow, you're either living on some deserted island or really out of touch with reality if you believe that.
by gofalcons February 17, 2009 11:17 AM PST
I agree that the pricing on the movies are still a little high, but i still will buy the blu ray more often than not. Even after viewing upconverting, i still see and hear a quality difference on my blu ray player.
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by djdj February 17, 2009 11:28 AM PST
The price gap between DVD and Blu-ray does need to be smaller, but there are other things going on.

Personally I am not buying many Blu-ray discs because I can only play them in one room of my house. None of the other players I have (multiple laptops, bedrooms, in my truck) are capable of Blu-ray so a disc has to really be something special before I will even consider getting the Blu version, otherwise I'm going to go for portability.

Add to that the fact that once you start to watch a movie and get into the story you don't notice whether it's coming from a high def or standard def disc, and its hard to justify the premium of a BD.
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by Splashes February 17, 2009 4:41 PM PST
Excellent point. I was initially very gung-ho about Blu-Ray -- I have a PS3 solely for that purpose. But the portability issue never occurred to me until I wanted to loan a movie to a friend. Whoops, sorry, it's Blu-Ray. !@#$%

For the format to become ubiquitous and mitigate the portability issue, the players will have to come down to the $99 sweet spot or below, so that buying one becomes a no-brainer when people go to replace an old player or buy one for another room. And the insane licensing issues, which Steve Jobs correctly called "a bag of hurt", must go away so that cheap players can be included in every computer. And yes, it goes without saying that "standard edition" Blu-Ray movies (without a ton of extras) must be priced about the same as a regular DVD.

Once again, stupid studios and media companies are racing each other to see who can slit their own throats first. It's anybody's guess whether they'll see the light before downloads become ubiquitous. My guess, based on the studios' clueless quotient over the last twenty years, is no.
by mismith2000 February 23, 2009 2:08 PM PST
This is a good point. However, most if not all of the Blu-Ray movies that you buy come with a digital copy of the movie for this very reason. To be portable.
by IdeasinFocus February 17, 2009 11:32 AM PST
Movie studios are greedy not smart. If they were smart, they would price all movies that were released more than 1 year ago at parity with DVDs. People would see no difference between buying a DVD or Blu-ray. Once customers were fully entrenched in the Blu-ray world, they would be willing to pay more for new releases for their "collection" or simply wait a year until prices came down.
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by gsmiller88 February 17, 2009 11:34 AM PST
I have a hard enough time justifying DVD prices, let alone BRD prices. I'm sorry but I see no compelling reason as to why anyone would want to pay a premium to watch Pineapple Express in high definition when you can barely tell the difference from where you're sitting, even on a 50" plasma TV.
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by Esquirrel February 23, 2009 7:48 PM PST
Your viewing room is obviously too smoky. ;)

I agree with you. The increase in quality isn't compelling enough in most situations to move me to spend more. And BluRay is so much more finicky than DVD. Long load times, players that freak out on small imperfections on the disc. Not worth the headache. Of course people into stats porn will be quick to disagree.
by Inconnux February 17, 2009 11:34 AM PST
I remember when it was DVD vs VHS. I didn't switch to DVD until the prices were reasonable.

Blu-ray is FAR too expensive and until it drops to the same price as DVD, I'm not interested.
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by February 17, 2009 11:39 AM PST
I'm not upgrading any DVD's to Blu-Ray. It's pretty easy to buy DVD's under $10.00 many for less than $5.00. I simply use Blockbuster mail and only buy very special ones for the kids to watch over and over. No need to buy blu-ray anytime soon, because all our other devices, (car/portable/notebooks etc) only play DVDs. I will rent Blu-Ray over DVD if it is not much more. As far as I'm concerned, every year the computer technology gets faster, better and cheaper. Should be the same with the content. It should keep up with the technology curve, but at the same prices or less. Streaming very well might supplant both formats. Why have a huge library when you might watch the same movie 2 or 3 times. Save your money!
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