Is Apple's new MacBook Pro a gaming machine?
With more powerful Nvidia graphics processors, the new MacBook Pro could finally be a machine hard-core gamers can use.
(Credit: Apple Inc.)While Macs have long been the preferred computer of the creative class, gamers have generally looked at the machines and said, essentially, thanks but no thanks.
That tech truism could be on the verge of disappearing forever in the wake of Apple's announcement Tuesday that the newest high-end MacBook Pro model will have the graphics processing firepower--thanks to the inclusion of the Nvidia GeForce 9600M GT chip--to finally give hard-core video game players what they want.
"It's more of a gaming machine than the old MacBook Pro," said Mike Schramm, a blogger who writes for both the video game site Joystiq and The Unofficial Apple Weblog. "The weak point in Apple's hardware has always been the integrated graphics chip. The computers have always been blazing fast, but the 3D graphics have been chugging away on an old Intel chip. And the new Nvidia chips will fix that problem."
Schramm himself said that he plans to eventually buy one of the new MacBook Pros to indulge his passion for World of Warcraft, and he said he expects that many games that have traditionally run only on PCs will now be Mac friendly.
In its announcement Tuesday, Apple said that the new MacBook Pros will come with both the Nvidia GeForce 9400M integrated graphics processor and the more powerful GeForce 9600M GT. The new machines are designed, Apple said, to offer "up to five times" the 3D graphics power of the previous generation of MacBook Pros.
The upshot, then, seems to be that for the first time, Macs will be able to hold their own as gaming machines, even if they are not quite at the elite level.
"I think that outside of the guys like Alienware...you'll get a pretty good gaming experience out of this," said Patrick Wang, a senior research analyst at Wedbush Morgan. "For guys who want to have gaming, but don't want to spend all that much, those guys will be more than happy with the MacBook Pro."
Wang added that the 9600M GT is not Nvidia's highest-end processor and that going much beyond that level would likely have proved to be too expensive for Apple.
But he said that with most games, MacBook Pro users would not notice the difference. In some cases, as with the most graphics-intensive games, Wang predicted that the frame rates of the new Macs would be slightly lower than on the best gaming machines.
"I don't think it's going to be enough for the highest-end gamer," Wang said. "For bleeding edge graphics, those guys will probably stick with Falcon Northwest or Alienware" computers.
But because the new MacBook Pros will feature DirectX 10.1, an important gaming software standard, the computers should be able to run most PC games and should allow developers to reach out to the Mac market, said Wang.
For Joe Stanziano, a longtime Mac user and a technology support specialist from Harleysville, Pa., the promise of new MacBook Pros with advanced video cards is nothing short of exciting.
"I've always been a Mac fan," said Stanziano. "I currently have one of the older-generation MacBook Pros...(and) coming out with those new video cards and the new display, I think it'll be great for gaming."
Stanziano added that he thinks the MacBook Pros have suffered as a result of the "crappy" integrated video cards they've had, but with the addition of the two new Nvidia cards, the computers should now be on par with many high-end PC gaming machines.
For Schramm, the coming week should reveal just how suitable the new Macs are for gamers.
That's because Far Cry 2, the new first-person shooter from Ubisoft, comes out this week.
"If that can run in Boot Camp on these (new) machines," Schramm said, "anything can."
Schramm also pointed out that, in his opinion, Apple has been indicating for a while that it wants to be seen as a maker of gamer-friendly computers.
"I think Apple is dipping their toe in finally," Schramm said. "They're not going to own the market, but they're realizing that people who buy computers buy games. They're still not aiming at the folks who play Far Cry 2, but they are aiming at the folks who play World of Warcraft and Guitar Hero.
Daniel Terdiman is a staff writer at CNET News covering games, Net culture, and everything in between. E-mail Daniel. 





I myself frequently play World of Warcraft and a MacBook Pro 8600M GT performs like a champ. Hopefully the upgrade to the 9600M GT will yield a good performance boost, but it's not the 5x speed bump that Apple was referring to when it compared the old MacBook to the new MacBook Pro.
"'I don't think it's going to be enough for the highest-end gamer,' Wang said. 'For bleeding edge graphics, those guys will probably stick with Falcon Northwest or Alienware' computers."
We are talking about gaming laptops, yes?
This article is a little confused.
Yeah, but I can run Lord of the Rings Online (which is on par with AoC or WAR... it also runs Oblivion like a champ (I know its a tad old, but still...).
An 8600GT is no slouch for a 5.5 pound 15 inch laptop...
- Macbook pros have not had integrated graphics as the article suggests; historically one of the defining aspects of macbook pros is that they have advanced discrete graphics. The main difference is that they have two graphics cards now so they can switch between them to conserve power.
- Perhaps the author meant for this article to be about the Macbooks and not Macbook Pros.
Apple now has a way to break into the gaming market (all they need to do is make a MacBook that has an SLI or better setup with 9800 graphics from NVidia or higher), and they are breaking into the casual user market as well..... things are not looking good for Microsoft. They are going to have to TRULY step up their game with Windows Vista SP2 and Windows 7, or become a has-been company.
http://www.notebookcheck.net/Mobile-Graphics-Cards-Benchmark-List.844.0.html
I'll take Cedega, Ubuntu, and $3000 worth of PC hardware any day over Mac's new offering.
Random, and half truths. No matter how you slice it, i am sure you know what he meant by his statement. Vista has voice control in it, it also 'finally' has some features OSX, originally shipped with, but even more damning is, the whole voice, and telephony ability in Apple OSs has been around in some user friendly form since 1984. That's a long time.
My point, the I am trying to make, is don't tout features that have been around in other OSs for so long. This actually doesn't help Vistas image.
I do! Regularly. Primarily EvE Online and Warhammer Online and both games run great on it. Yeah not the highest settings for the video but pretty g*dd4mned good.
Oh and on that note and represented in the article incorrectly is the fact that windows and windows software DOES NOT RUN INSIDE OF BOOT CAMP! It all runs natively on the hardware. Boot Camp is nothing more than a boot loader similar to GRUB.
While, yes this article is a horrendous depiction of the offerings made available by Apple today and the author rushed his drivel out all I can say is that unless you have first hand experience on the hardware itself then opinion becomes moot.
-Zen (PC by Day, Mac when **** needs to get done right)
Also, the MacBook is the one with the integrated graphics, NOT THE PRO. Get your facts straight.
And to that person that says Gateway has a cheaper version of the MacBookPro for half the price, I have to say CHECK AGAIN and compare same components. You are dreaming my friend. But if you DO find it .. post the facts here.
If you are in college and are on the PC Laptop camp I have to say that nowadays you are in the minority.
Apple is selling at the tune of almost 50% in Universities, more than Dell, more than HP, more than Gateway. Apple has regained the #1 spot in education ... sorry Dell. Give it a year and Apple will be selling more laptops than all vendors combined in the USA. And in revenue Apple is pretty close to #1, with 1 out of 3 dollars spent on Apple instead of the other vendors in the USA. That is 33% revenue share of the PC market. Sorry Microshit !
Standard Macbook Pro -- $2799.00 -- 17" Screen
2.5ghz Intel Core 2 Duo, 4 GB memory, Nvidia 8600 GMT, 320 GB Hard Drive
(NO INFO ON WIRELESS, MODEL NUMBER OF PROCESSOR CAN NOT BE FOUND ON SITE, NO BLUE RAY OPTION)
HP dv7T -- $2,148.99 -- 17" Screen
Core 2 Duo T9400 (2.53 ghz), 4 GB Memory, Nvidia 9600 GMT, 320 GB Hard Drive, BLUE RAY ROM/ SUPER MULTI DVD Writer, TV TUNER, WIRELESS N.
Hmmm. Similar machine with some really great options, even has a better video card, for around $650.00 less. And Apple doesn't have Blue Ray drives, and from the comments by Mr. Jobs, won't have them for a while.
So, put down the kool-aide.
Why did you use the specs on the old one?
The standard macbook pro costs $1,999
Intel Core 2 Duo 2.4 Ghz
15-inch widescreen (1440 x 900)
2GB Memory
250GB hard drive1
NVIDIA GeForce 9400M + 9600M GT with 256MB
Bluetooth 2.1
Backlit Keyboard
Led Display
Wireless N.
The better Macbook pro is 2,499.
2.53GHz
Intel Core 2 Duo
15-inch widescreen (1440 x 900)
4GB Memory
320GB hard drive
NVIDIA GeForce 9400M + 9600M GT with 512MB
Backlit keyboard
Bluetooth 2.1
Wireless N
Led Display
Both Macbook pros have a better graphics card, better display, better wireless, longer battery, and faster bus speeds. Also if you know anything about computers I dont need to mention the huge difference in parts from 17 in. to 15 in. Its really comparing apples to lemons. (sorry I am sour at HP from my laptop repair that took 7 months).
So really comparing a notebook that is dead practically (the 17 inch has not been updated in something like 1.5 years) with a brand new laptop. Because that makes alot of sensel
- by digger4cnet October 14, 2008 8:13 PM PDT
- These articles are misleading at best. To be clear, MacBookPros (like the one I am typing on right now) do not use integrated Intel graphics processors. They either used ATI or NVidia graphics processors. You can make arguments on what integrated means (to me it has to do with the GPU being embedded in the north/south bridge) but regardless the GPU in a laptop is not replaceable by the end user so it really doesn't matter. What matters is performance.
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