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September 2, 2008 6:37 AM PDT

Google steps on Firefox with its new Zune...err, Chrome browser

by Matt Asay

Despite Google's recent extension of its partnership with Mozilla, it was just a matter of time before Google got too big for anyone else's browser and decided to write its own. Or, rather, it was just a matter of time before Google decided to borrow the best of others' open-source projects and extend them, as this is what Google generally does.

And so Google has done with its newly announced open-source Chrome browser:

What we really needed was not just a browser, but also a modern platform for web pages and applications, and that's what we set out to build.

So writes Sundar Pichai, vice president of product management at Google, and so plans Google. The difference this time is that Google will actually have to contribute code back, making its Chrome browser an experiment in community building, rather than merely community borrowing. It's also an experiment in distributing software, not merely services, an area in which Google has not made much of a dent to date.

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Ars technica thinks Chrome sounds really innovative, what with its ability to segment the processes running in different browser tabs, among other things. Mozilla's John Lilly welcomes the competition and continued partnership with Google, but can't help but strike an ominous chord:

...[T]he parts where [Google and Mozilla are] different, with different missions, will continue to be separate. Mozilla's mission is to keep the Web open and participatory....

Lilly doesn't say it, but presumably he could have finished the sentence this way: "...And Google's mission is to drive as much traffic and advertisements through its sites and services." This is where I believe Chrome could both thrive and stagnate.

Google has been bankrolling Mozilla's Firefox, and it may well be that Google sees further life, at least in the short term, for a strong Firefox, as ZDNet's Larry Dignan suggests. But I can't imagine Google enjoying this whole "sharing" thing for very long. Not if it's successful with Chrome.

A Zune moment?
Nor can I imagine Web developers getting excited about developing for yet another browser. It took years for anyone to start developing for Firefox, and no one got excited about developing for Flock or other spin-offs of Firefox. Google has the brand equity to make people pay attention to Chrome in the way start-up Flock never did, but could Chrome be Google's Zune moment?

In the media player world, the iPod reigned despite Microsoft coming out with a good-but-not-good-enough alternative. Firefox has managed to gain a 20 percent market share after years of fighting: 72 percent of Web users still slum with Internet Explorer. Are these folks magically going to dump IE just because Google showed up to the party? Unlikely.

Indeed, successful as Google has been, it's even more notable for its many failures. Take a look at all the products and services it offers. How many do you use? For that matter, how many have you even heard of? A handful?

Many will suggest that Google's entrance to this market, like others that it has entered (Froogle with comparison shopping, anyone?), is game over for Firefox. I couldn't disagree more, and here's a key reason:

Google has failed in its attempts to become a software distributor. Yes, the Google Desktop has attracted some fans, but nowhere near a respectable minority. Google knows how to piggyback on others' desktop clients. It knows how to monetize Web services fantastically well. It knows far less about driving downloads and uptake of its products, excepting its core search functionality.

The only Chrome lining I see in this experiment from Google, at least in the short term, is that Google will have to contribute source code back to Mozilla, Apple, and the other projects and organizations from which it will be borrowing code. Google has done much better lately with the open-source development community, more freely contributing back to a range of projects. Google Chrome will accentuate and improve this.

But for now, Google Chrome is unlikely to change anyone's lives...or market share. I think Google's forays into new markets like this is good for the industry, and good for Google. I welcome the move. I'm just not holding my breath for world domination anytime soon.

Click here for full coverage of the Google Chrome launch.

Matt Asay brings a decade of in-the-trenches open-source business and legal experience to The Open Road, with an emphasis on emerging open-source business strategies and opportunities. Matt is vice president of business development at Alfresco, a company that develops open-source software for content management. He is a member of the CNET Blog Network and is not an employee of CNET. Disclosure. You can follow Matt on Twitter @mjasay.
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by brianwestchest September 2, 2008 7:26 AM PDT
I hope you're right. I think Google's intended target is IE users. But, those who care enough to switch browsers are probably already running Firefox. The browser most at risk from Chrome is Firefox, which would be a real problem for those of us who have come to rely on Firefox for both the PC and Mac platforms.
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by fazalmajid September 2, 2008 7:43 AM PDT
Before we get carried away with psychodrama of Google vs. Mozilla, one of the people quoted in McCloud's comic explanation of Chrome is Ben Goodger, the father of Firefox. So yes there will be tension with Mozilla.com and its $600K/year CEO who leeches off Google affiliate fees, but not with Mozilla.org and its volunteer coders who might reuse some of Chrome's contributions. I'm not sure if Brendan Eich will appreciate V8 competing for mindshare with TraceMonkey.
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by skillingssucks September 2, 2008 9:04 AM PDT
Learn what the world "leach" means.
by gggg sssss September 2, 2008 3:53 PM PDT
leech - a useless, ugly parasite that sucks the blood out of its host. leach to leak chemicals out of something.

Which meaning do you, skillingsucks think is right? leech obvioulsy is the right term.
by rjlaws September 2, 2008 7:43 AM PDT
I can't wait to try Chrome. If it is faster and easier to use I will abandon Firefox without looking back. I have IE, Opera, Firefox and even SeaMonkey on my desktop and each have their place and time. This isn't about brand loyalty - it's about using what works best.
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by gstarnes September 2, 2008 7:47 AM PDT
I have been an avid FireFox user since it's inception. However, oddly and unbelievably, FireFox 3 does not play well with GMail! I had to completely uninstall it and go back to FF2 to use GMail without constant crashing. No one at Mozilla seems to notice this, and Bugzilla doesn't think the incompatibility is either real or important. So for me, I will be looking into Chrome as a way to move on.
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by LesleeC September 2, 2008 8:58 AM PDT
I have had exactly the same problem, along with a few others. I have been very disappointed in Firefox this go-'round, after singing their praises to everyone. Anyone know if Mozilla plans to fix this?
by Imalittleteapot September 2, 2008 2:10 PM PDT
I use FF3 and Gmail works just perfect for me. Perhaps that why no one notices it. Perhaps it only affects a few users. Has a bug report been filed for it? I'd think if Gmail didn't work with FF3 for a lot of people they would notice.
by dom2008 September 2, 2008 7:48 AM PDT
I'm getting a little scared at the power Google is building. For a company with a code of conduct "Don't be evil", they seem to be doing a good job of monopolising the web. What next?
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by Xtoo September 2, 2008 8:15 AM PDT
And what corporation is not evil? Google has a rep of being a nice company but that is orchestrated by their PR department. Corporations are here for only one reason: to make money. They don't care about you or me or anyone else; well they care about us as long as they make cash from us. The monopoly with Google has been going on since day one. Some just happen to notice now. Don't be naive. And for the record, I like Google.
by eltoro2827 September 2, 2008 9:21 AM PDT
what he said.

that reminds me...ie8 download after the jump...no chrome for me,,,
by gsekse September 2, 2008 7:50 AM PDT
All I really care about is to get web designers to STOP making IE only web pages. If I could just use Firefox to view any web page, better yet would be that any browser can view any page. That was the original intent of things...
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by georgiarat September 2, 2008 8:32 AM PDT
Amen! I had two sites that I frequented that were IE only. One was my OLD bank (I changed) and the other is a business site that I have no alternative for at the present time.
by gggg sssss September 2, 2008 3:55 PM PDT
web designers care more about the 80 percenbt who use IE, rather than teh 20 percent that use FF, Wouln't you?
by Clarious September 2, 2008 7:57 AM PDT
After reading all kind of comments here and there, I see that there are a lot of people says bad things about chrome like "Why do we it another browser?", "Isn't Firefox good enough?", "It will help google spy on us further", etc... and i'm quite disappointed with them, it isn't bad to have another browser, users will be the one who benefit from this, it doesn't take anything from them anyway. And it is open source software, mean that you will know it immediately if google try to spy on you! And if you don't like tab over address bar, just change it or wait for another one to do it.

Some web developers complain that they will have to add support for another browser, if I am not wrong, Chrome use webkit for rendering web pages, and webkit it the engine that scored highest on Acid 3 test, Safari uses Webkit too, so if it work with safari, it will also work with Chrome.

And I am not a native Englsih speaker, so please pardon for any mistakes I may have caused.
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by Seaspray0 September 2, 2008 10:51 AM PDT
I congratulate you on learning english. You do not need to ask us to pardon any mistakes you make in the language. You did well enough in your message.
by smilin:) September 2, 2008 8:00 AM PDT
"Ars technica thinks Chrome sounds really innovative, what with its ability to segment the processes running in different browser tabs, among other things"

Not sure about Firefox, Safari & others but this is a feature that's already in IE 8. In addition to the added security boundary it makes the browser more survivable if 3rd party add ons fail (The #1 source of crashes). If one tab crashes the browser will continue running. In fact if the whole browser process goes down it will recover with all tabs and history intact.

I don't really think the world needs another browser. Firefox rocks and it's put fire under Microsoft to reinvest into a software that had gotten R&D neglect for too long.

Google just wants to be sure that it's monopoly on search and advertising do not get any competition.
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by rapier1 September 2, 2008 8:37 AM PDT
You are right, this is already in IE8. If a single tab crashes the browser will stay up. The only thing that seems interesting is the ability to peel a tab off into a new window. At least I think they said Chrome can do that.
by DrtyDogg September 2, 2008 1:51 PM PDT
rapier: that is cool, though I don't think I'll use it much now.
by mikemcfee September 2, 2008 8:01 AM PDT
The word is reigned as in a ruler reigns, not rein as in hold the reins.
All your speculation is great but the one thing I have seen in my 10 years observing the internet and how people use it, is that good things get adopted and frivolous things do not. People went to Zune for 2 major reasons: 1. They hate(d) Apple, and 2. The itunes interface.
I for one anticipate the introduction of a new browser. I do not like Firefox as I don't like things not working until I hunt down the appropriate plug in and install it. There are some things that are nice in Firefox and some things that are nice in Internet Explorer, and while I use both I have to use Internet Explorer to do some of my work as I cannot get Firefox to "find" the correct plugin for me to use.
As to Google apps, I use some of their web based applications and I think you will see more of that as the marketplace adopts more portable devices with limited storage space.
While I appreciated most of what you had to say, I think it may have been a little early to deliver too much of an opinion.
Mike McFee
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by rapier1 September 2, 2008 8:39 AM PDT
I don't mind Apple. I own two Macs after all. I hate the iTunes interface though so I bought a Zune. Its a damn fine device and the software is actually pretty damn nice. I don't feel like I'm using spreadsheet with it.
by jfenwickar September 2, 2008 8:05 AM PDT
I presume you mean 'reign', not 'rein'. Of course, you could mean that iPod controlled - the direction - of the market, as with reins, , instead of iPod controlled the market, wearing the crown, as in reigned.

"In the media player world, the iPod reined despite Microsoft coming out with a good-but-not-good-enough"
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by 4score20 September 2, 2008 8:12 AM PDT
I, for one, welcome our new browser overlord! This is Kent Brockman for Google World, a subsidiary of Google Universe. ;)
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by tang889 September 2, 2008 8:14 AM PDT
Tonight during computer maintenance class would be a good time to try it out.
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by MadLyb September 2, 2008 8:18 AM PDT
Don't see any upside to this product..

Most folks that use IE couldn't care less what browser they run, and most that do already run Firefox.

All this will do is dilute share for alternatives to IE making it harder for them to compete.
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by ashwinkn September 2, 2008 3:02 PM PDT
Whenever an alternative is released, Firefox has been the one to benefit. Since the introduction of Firefox, Apple has spruced up marketing efforts for Safari, including distributing it through Apple Software Update. Microsoft has made significant improvements with IE7. Opera has become free. With all of this Firefox has been gaining market share. You need to be more open minded. If Google Chrome offers significant improvements over other browsers that users appreciate, all competitors will scramble to implement them, which can only be a good thing, no matter what browser you use.
by tomvons September 2, 2008 8:28 AM PDT
A browser from Google won't hurt anything, competition is good so long as everyone plays fair. Besides, web browser have been fairly stale in recent years, the last big advancement was probably tabs or Firefox extensions.

I'm mostly curious about this wave of Javascript performance boosts that seem to be hitting browsers. I first heard about SquirrelFish, then TraceMonkey and now V8.
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by bighard September 2, 2008 8:36 AM PDT
Itīs all about new web application and java script speed and this will kill ie 6 + ie 7 and will be a big problem for ie 8.
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by ismetd September 2, 2008 8:37 AM PDT
what a ****-up title is this one? ~ do you even think you are funny?
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by atinius September 2, 2008 8:38 AM PDT
IE will not be displaced as long as there are so many apps that support only IE. Even Oracle, Microsoft's arch-nemesis, only supports IE in a large number of their apps.
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by Calico321 September 2, 2008 8:40 AM PDT
BEWARE OF EVENTUAL MONOPOLIST ASKING FOR BROWSER DOMINANCE - If Microsoft has taught us anything, it's that you don't give software monopolists control of the browser market. Google is doing exactly what MS did when it decided to introduce its browser. Guys we've seen this before, I hope everyone isn't fooled by the glitz and glimmer. Doesn't anyone remember that "Absolute power corrupts absolutely" ?
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by pjhenry1216 September 2, 2008 9:22 AM PDT
Someone is jumping to conclusions. The things that Google has created a virtual monopoly with (at least comparable to MS IE's monopoly) are still doing well. Microsoft created a monopoly because of business practice. Google creates monopolies through innovation. Monopolies are inherently *not* bad. Its the misuse of a monopoly that causes problems. Microsoft never said they'll play nice with others. Google has always been about playing nice with others. Comparing Google and Microsoft is relatively silly.
by ballmerisanape September 2, 2008 1:45 PM PDT
As long as they make a standards (open) complaint browser.. I am not worried. The problem with MS is that they continue to ignore standards... and that's a problem.
by kwhsy82 September 2, 2008 8:43 AM PDT
Even if some IE users will never switch to Chrome or Firefox, Chrome will keep IE honest. MSFT won't want reviewers hammering on it for say bad Javascript performance, even most IE users may not even now what Javascript is.

Also, with a spouse who is superbly non-technical, if she starts to hear this "runs Google better", she may switch. She is hooked to Google.
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by eheia1 September 2, 2008 8:49 AM PDT
This is the dumbest article. Developers didn't care about 'developing for flock' because it runs on the gecko engine. if it works in FF it works in Flock. Same with this. Chrome will use the same engine as Safari, which developers should already be developing for. I for one welcome any browser that runs on a standards-compliant engine and could take away market share from IE.
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