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April 7, 2009 5:05 AM PDT

GM, Segway partner on two-wheel city vehicle

by Martin LaMonica
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A PUMA concept vehicle.

(Credit: GM)

General Motors and Segway plan to take a two-wheel concept vehicle for a spin around New York City on Tuesday.

The prototype vehicle, called Project PUMA (Personal Urban Mobility and Accessibility), is designed to ease congestion and pollution problems in cities. It is based on the Segway Personal Transporter but holds two people, instead of one, and lets them sit, instead of stand.

A PUMA runs on lithium ion batteries, can reach 35 miles per hour, and can travel up to 35 miles between charges.

It includes some high-tech touches, including GM's wireless OnStar communications technology that lets a passenger locate other drivers in a city.

The two-wheeler is meant to address the mounting problems of urban car transportation, according to the two companies that plan to unveil the vehicle at an auto show in New York.

GM is touting other features as well.

"Imagine small, nimble electric vehicles that know where other moving objects are and avoid running into them. Now, connect those vehicles in an Internet-like web and you can greatly enhance the ability of people to move through cities, find places to park and connect to their social and business networks," Larry Burns, GM's vice president of R&D and strategic planning, said in a statement.

GM is looking to drum up excitement for its vehicles as it undergoes a massive restructuring in an effort to become financially viable and more competitive with other automakers.

The Segway Personal Transporter, a two-wheel vehicle that allows people to stand and move around at slow speeds, was released with great fanfare several years ago, but it remains a niche form of transportation.

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by ubnyan April 7, 2009 5:47 AM PDT
Is the circus in town?
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by jezzur April 7, 2009 9:40 AM PDT
That's funny. The circus comes, then before you know it the whole town becomes a circus itself. Nooooo!

In other news, how about we stop having so many babies, or stop immigration from places having so many babies, and encourage them to have fewer babies. Or, we have to have a cut off age for old people.

Upon turning, say, 80 you just have a massive 'farewell' party, say catch ya later. Mandatory euthanasia. It's going to be a hit.
by JayWes April 8, 2009 6:32 PM PDT
No But GM is. In the Hawkins Electrical Guide, copy right 1928, there is a entire chapter on electric Automobiles. Now several compies aremaking electric cars. One of them is bringing out a nice looking 4-passenger electric with a 110 mile range. Guess what, this company, picked up one of the old trdemarks and it will be manufactured under the name "Detroit Electric". Has GM Ford or Chylser heard about this. Sure beats Detroit, same old, same old gas buggy, and anothe Purple PLUM, whoops PUMA, two wheel, or is 4wheel, kiddy car.
by Spartan_458 April 9, 2009 6:20 PM PDT
@JayWes

Do you read what you've typed before you submit it? I could barely get any meaning out of your comment. Proofread next time, please.
by jmartinbsu April 9, 2009 6:42 PM PDT
Jezzur:


I believe that is called Carousel and we'll just end everyone's life at 30 instead. 80 years old takes to long and 80 year olds have made to much poop.
by jc364 April 7, 2009 6:02 AM PDT
wow, that's an... interesting design.
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by solitare_pax April 8, 2009 5:24 PM PDT
Agreed - but I don't think it will do very well in the snow and slush of winter.
by TogetherinParis April 7, 2009 6:08 AM PDT
This needs to work. America needs much smaller cars for many more people so that we can escape the clutches of the loathsome oil interests. These PUMA's don't pollute the air, they don't make loud noises, and they go slow enough to prevent a lot of traffic accidents, especially for teens.
Similarly, American trains shouldn't carry restrooms, restaurants, and beds on them. The trains should go faster, fast enough to eliminate the aisles, too. The technology is available (evacuated tubes), there's no reason not to lead the world into the future.
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by rossocorrecto April 7, 2009 6:23 AM PDT
There are already efficient 2 wheeled transports that are available for purchase today at very reasonable prices. My Vespa scooter gets 100 miles to the gallon and can carry two people and two bags of groceries under the seat.
That's double the milage of a Prius and a lot more fun!

If you're a stickler for electric vehicles, there is an electric scooter that will travel up to 60 miles and can be recharged in 3 hours. You can buy it now.

The PUMA is just another example of the fact that Detroit, particularly GM, is clueless. How many millions have they spent to develop a vehicle that you can't buy, that no one is prepared to service and that most Americans wouldn't want if you gave it to them?

Two wheelers? Absolutely! They're called bicycles, scooters and motorcycles. Don't knock it until you've tried it; I did and I'm leaving my 4 wheeler parked.
by homercles82 April 7, 2009 11:23 AM PDT
Yes we will just be charging these cars using electricity that is made from naturla gas and coal fired palnts while we ignore nuclear unlike most of Europe.
by jpsalerno April 7, 2009 8:24 PM PDT
Your point is somewhat valid... But I don't think it's completely fair to compare this to your Vespa (or any other bike for that matter.) First and foremost, this 'vehicle' is enclosed... bikes/scooters are not. I shouldn't even have to articulate the reason why that's important. Secondly, the seating position of this is similar to a car whereas the seating position on a bike is... well, not so much. If you want regular folks to get from A to B in something small and efficient... all things being equal, this option is far better than a scooter.
by jsargent April 8, 2009 11:34 PM PDT
The two wheels are not one behind the other like a motorcycle but they are side by side which means the vehicle can turn on a dime (ie. its axis). A Piaggio cannot turn on a dime it turns in a circle. The other 4 wheels are for stability just in case the battery cannot keep the vehicle upright.
by treat747 April 17, 2009 12:51 PM PDT
"Lead the world into the future?" As they say, that train has left the station.
by pintos-n-cheese April 7, 2009 6:22 AM PDT
What!?

Look, come on people, why reinvent the 2-wheels??? We've got plenty of great option already! 2-up riding on a maxi-scooter! They have plenty of power, and storage. The rest of the world has been enjoying the advantages of scooters and motorbikes for years. America is too much into BIG. Big cars. Big meals. Big everything.

The Piaggio MP3 is a three wheeled maxi-scooter already being sold in the USA! Check it out.
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by crescentmage April 7, 2009 7:26 AM PDT
Unfortunately, scooters don't work as well in the rain, snow, or ice. Living in Michigan, that means that I can't use a scooter about 5 months of the year. And those are the 5 months that count, since I can bike on clear summer days.

If you live in the Southern States, a scooter is fine, but for those of us in the north, this could be a nice option, assuming its balance sensors can handle snow reasonably well.
by romeinjim April 7, 2009 8:03 AM PDT
There's no problem in America with invention. Only thing we need to do is try and get out government to give GM a little more money and they will excel to the heavens with new transportation reform. And let us not to forget to include enough for the bonuses. O and maybe a little extra for kickback purposes.
by professionaladventurer April 7, 2009 8:34 AM PDT
One better, I live in Anchorage. I couldn't use it for 9 months out of the year.
by Maccess April 9, 2009 1:36 PM PDT
That PUMA doesn't look like it can squeeze through traffic like a motorbike or scooter can. Minus one for the big advantage of a scooter. Minus two when people realize that if they're going to get stuck in traffic, they might as well do so in the climate controlled comfort of a car. Minus three when people realize that there already are cars like that: The Swatch Car, Hyundai Getz, i10, etc.

The PUMA looks like it might sell well in university and corporate campuses and those large empty subdivisions in SoCal and Vegas.
by neowolfwitch April 7, 2009 6:23 AM PDT
Is this a week late?

Well- if it is real, at least this thing doesn't look quite as {derogatory term} as the Segway. I don't see this saving GM though.
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by josmith2 April 7, 2009 6:24 AM PDT
I don't understand the fascination with 2 wheels. Add a third or better a fourth (for stability) and the price drops a few thousand $ a unit. What's the big advantage to only 2 wheels? (Note however there are two small fore and aft wheels so it doesn't fall on its back or face).
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by pintos-n-cheese April 7, 2009 7:02 AM PDT
Check out the Piaggio MP3!!!
by thelemurking April 7, 2009 7:58 AM PDT
I'm waiting for the Piaggio MP3 Hybrid to come out in 2010. That will be fantastic :)
by blusky08 April 7, 2009 12:22 PM PDT
Is it just me or does this thing actually have four wheels?
by jsargent April 8, 2009 11:29 PM PDT
>Is it just me or does this thing actually have four wheels?
No, if you look at the picture it actually has 6 wheels but drives on 2 to waste energy.
by galeso April 10, 2009 9:38 AM PDT
jsargent, thanks I would have missed the wasted energy argument. A steering wheel would save big bucks. There are already electric bikes and scooters which are more stable than side by side wheels. This does not seem to have any value except for style that would justify the extra Segway electronics cost.
by fordfasterr April 7, 2009 6:33 AM PDT
So this is a "solution" to the congestion problem in places like NYC? LOL

Replace a car with a smaller car? I don't think so.
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by sdpfost April 7, 2009 6:38 AM PDT
sooo, what do you do when it rains?
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by njajr April 7, 2009 6:42 AM PDT
Is it just me or does this remind anyone else of the "future people" seen in the WALL-E movie? The best part about NYC is the ability to WALK around to get places!
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by C_Urrea April 7, 2009 6:44 AM PDT
***!!?? They expect people to go about in mass in these things in a city like New York. Yoink! Gone!
I see no means of security for the thing and it has no sides! Put some doors ( or at least a panel) on the sides to protect from the weather!!!!
I must agree with a previous post as to the 2 wheel thing as well. The added electronics to keep it level out weigh the cost a of a third wheel in the front for steering.
I really could see these being used in large urban areas where they would be practical so long as people had a place to keep them and have them charged. I seriously doubt that any pay garages will have outlets available.
And let's face it, most city dwellers don't have a place to keep such things.
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by TotallyMadeUpName April 7, 2009 6:45 AM PDT
So where is this thing going to go? Roads? Truck meets Segway won't be a pretty site. Sidewalks? RIght, along with the bicycles and motercycles that we let use the sidewalks now.

If GM/Segway tries to introduce these things, cities will be banning them left and right.
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by Aquia33 April 7, 2009 6:55 AM PDT
I have ridden Segways and love them. Two wheels do not need to be front/back. But it does look like it needs some cool "Apple" design engineering!
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by Rod Roddy April 7, 2009 7:17 AM PDT
This thing is minimalistic as is, adding Apple into the equation further simplifies things ;)
by halsue2 April 7, 2009 7:24 AM PDT
Apple would not touch this with a barge pole. It is forever niche. The best solution for inner city traffic, bicycle or feet. With those you get an added advantage much needed in many parts of the US - exercise. We don't need new, expensive devices to drag our lard about. We need a cultural shift towards reality.
by thelemurking April 7, 2009 7:58 AM PDT
Then it would cost twice as much ;)
by coachgeorge April 7, 2009 8:10 AM PDT
The only thing "Apple" would do is increase the price 40%.
It would, however make the vehicle a huge success. This is a definite Lemming device.
by ChefTom56 April 7, 2009 7:16 AM PDT
This is a great concept, except in the winter in most cities and the summer in Phoenix, so this will only be a part-time ride in the most optimistic sense possible. Why does it need onstar? It needs heat and A/C and a Ipod port or it will join all of GMs other offerings on the lot and not in the driveway.
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by BillCatchem April 7, 2009 7:24 AM PDT
There they go again messing up a good thing. When is GM and all the other car companies going to learn. Keep your damned ONSTAR and all the other crap out of it.

Give me a vanilla version without the revenue generating doodads and I'll buy one or two. Maybe three. But load it up and you'll fail here too. The world has CHANGED and we're not falling for your sales pitches anymore. Accept it.

This reminds me of Chrysler tying to sell little three wheelers (I think that's what they were) in China when the people really wanted a normal car. Three wheelers were all over china already.

One day a little company will blind side the car companies a la MSDOS and IBM. (no crash puns here ok?).
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by sanenazok April 7, 2009 7:24 AM PDT
Segway and GM a match made in heaven and then bankruptcy court. Basically provides the same level of protection as a bike, only costs ten times as much, can't be taken on the train, and looks just awful. I would basically be ashamed of riding this thing.
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by burkeen April 7, 2009 7:24 AM PDT
Sounds great - if they stay in bike lanes. Keep them off the damn sidewalks.
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by TotallyMadeUpName April 7, 2009 7:34 AM PDT
Bike lanes were designed with the idea of carrying vehicles that are about 2 feet wide, with , of course, padding on each side. Think bike lanes can safely handle something a wide as this contraption? Cyclists will complain and moterists will complain. Then they will be bannded from the bike lanes as well as the roads and sidewalks.

Look at it this way. If a go-cart can't legally drive there, then this thing won't be able to either.
by Core_M April 7, 2009 7:47 AM PDT
Let me know when GM has developed transporters like in Star Trek. Then I'll be impressed.
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by jwmpc April 7, 2009 8:01 AM PDT
On the other hand this kind of vehicle would fit perfectly into a vision a friend of mine had back in the seventies: fleets of on-demand transportation that would simply be driven to your destination then left. Impractical with full-sized cars, but easily done with these 'pods'. You could even call it Personal On-demand Driving.

I'm astonished at the negativity here. Not everyone wants to get hot and sweaty to go to a restaurant, and parking is such an issue in downtown Los Angeles (and Beverly Hills) that buses are almost tolerable. These vehicles would provide individual transport with a minimal footprint.
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by aeson25 April 7, 2009 8:01 AM PDT
I don't get it. These are way too bulky to go on the sidewalk and way too insufficient to go on the road. Where are they planning to use this thing? If you do put it on the road with cars, you're going to incite a lot of road rage which will probably result in accidents.
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by Erictheruler1 April 7, 2009 8:12 AM PDT
If this is my tax dollars at work please stop giving them to GM. If I wanted a segway I would buy one this is a waste of money it's ugly, slow and I think it looks unsafe at any speed....... I'd hate to see a tahoe vs one of these downtown...
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by jwissick April 8, 2009 12:06 AM PDT
Tahoe? Imagine a double length city bus against one of these things....

Good news is that there will be no need for a police accident report. There will be no evidence the "car" even existed. Just a missing persons report.
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