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April 22, 2008 8:27 PM PDT

Would Twitter Japan's success with ads translate?

by Daniel Terdiman
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If Twitter Japan is successful with its roll-out of ads, it could become a model for the English-language version.

(Credit: Joi Ito)

As Twitter Japan gets going upon its launch Tuesday night (California time), one of the things that observers are going to be most closely watching is whether or not Japanese users accept the ads that are on the new site.

That's mainly because one of the biggest questions--or maybe concerns is the proper term--about the main, English-language version of Twitter is that, because it's ad-free and free to use, it has no obvious business model.

In an interview, venture capitalist and Creative Commons CEO Joi Ito--who helped create Digital Garage, which was largely responsible for localizing Twitter for its Japanese version--explained that it was thought that implementing ads from day one was the way to go there.

Digital Garage invested in Twitter as part of the localization arrangement.

"Ads are important," Ito told me. "It's always harder to add ads later. So we're launching with them in Japan."

Until I saw what the Twitter Japan site looked like, I wasn't at all sure how ads would work. But after seeing an image of the site, which Ito posted on his own blog, I think it's actually a pretty light implementation, and one which users of the English-language site would be hard-pressed to get up in arms over.

Now, I'm not a proponent of ads. I love free online services. But as an editor of mine said this evening, it is sometimes hard to fathom how angry users get when someone tries to put ads on free sites. "How dare they try to make money," seems to go the thinking.

Well, there's more to it, of course. Obviously, many implementations of ad-supported sites are horrible. But meanwhile, Twitter is rolling along, building a user base of people who are becoming more and more dependent on it, and there doesn't seem to be a dime coming in, at least not from the public site.

And certainly, there have been rumblings here or there about ads coming. But an Internet truism seems to be that you simply can't add ads to a site that hasn't had them. There is no better way to chase away your users than to do that.

But I think the Twitter Japan ad experience is going to be very closely examined, because if people in Japan aren't put off by the ads, it's going to be hard to make the argument that people here would be, even though we're used to the ad-free model.

The question may eventually come down to whether people would rather have Twitter with ads or no Twitter at all.

I don't mean to sound alarmist, or to be an apologist for the ad model. But again, after seeing the Japanese site, I just can't see how having ads on Twitter's pages here would be all that much of an imposition. Sure, it would ruin the simple, clean, innocent feel of the site, but that can't last forever, can it? Google's home page still doesn't have ads, but its search results pages sure do.

Another interesting thing, meanwhile, about the Twitter Japan ad model is that it launched with spots from Toyota, which link to an opt-in Toyota Twitter feed.

I'm not sure exactly what would come through that feed, but it's not clear to me how receptive the audience will be to corporate marketing coming through feeds. On the other hand, there are already some examples of that here, at least in the form of political marketing, like that of Barack Obama's Twitter account.

Whether that model would fly for corporate accounts is very uncertain to me. I know that I personally would have no interest in a Dell feed, or a Microsoft feed. I'm trying to think of a company whose feed I would willingly subscribe to--and read--and I'm coming up blank.

Ultimately, then, the lesson here may be: Get ready to deal with ads on Twitter, in one form or another. I could well have this totally backwards, but I'm guessing not. Where Twitter loses me, however, is if they push ads into associated services like Twhirl.

But if ads ever do come, and they're just on Twitter.com pages, well, I'm going to cut the company a little slack.

April 22, 2008 6:44 PM PDT

Twitter Japan launches, with ads

by Daniel Terdiman
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Twitter Japan launched Tuesday night California time. The site included ads from the get-go in a bid to get users to accept ads right away. The English language version doesn't have ads.

(Credit: Joi Ito)

Twitter Japan launched Tuesday evening California time, and unlike the English-language version of the popular microblogging site, it will feature ads from the get-go.

In a conversation Tuesday evening, Joi Ito of Digital Garage, the Japanese company Twitter tasked with some of the Japanese localization, told me that Twitter decided to launch in Japan with ads from day one.

Digital Garage invested in Twitter as part of the localization arrangement.

"Ads are important," Ito said. "It's always harder to add ads later. So we're launching with them in Japan."

According to Ito, Twitter Japan will have Toyota as one of its first advertisers. The car giant will have its own Twitter feed, and its ads will direct people to that feed. Users will be able to opt in for the feed.

"The idea is to get companies to have Twitter feeds," Ito said.

In addition to being a co-founder of Digital Garage, Ito is also a venture capitalist, the current CEO of Creative Commons, and, among other things, the founder of a very influential World of Warcraft guild.

To launch with ads is an interesting choice for Twitter Japan, especially given that the English version doesn't have them. However, there have been rumbles in recent days--denied by Twitter, that ads are coming.

And no wonder: There is no clear path for Twitter to make even a dime off its consumer English-language site. And, as Ito suggested, it is much harder to convince a user base to accept ads after the fact than from the beginning.

I was curious how kanji might affect Twitter's traditional 140 character limit on the Japanese site, but Ito pointed out that Japanese is already a dominant language on the existing site.

He pointed me to a site that aggregates the most frequent location of Twitter posters, and, at least in the 24 hours between April 21 and April 22, there were more Tweets made from Tokyo than from any other city in the world.

In fact, according to the site, there were more than twice as many Tweets from Tokyo (28,874) as from New York (14,367) or San Francisco (14,348). Of course, if you add up all the English-language cities, Japanese is far behind English, but Ito's point is well taken.

In the end, then, it will be interesting to see if Japanese Twitter users turn to Twitter Japan and accept the ads, or whether they'll stay using the main Twitter site.

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Daniel Terdiman, uniquely positioned to take you into the middle of another side of technology, chronicles his explorations of the "fun beat," from cultural phenomena such as Burning Man to cutting-edge aircraft to game conventions.

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