For Black Friday, shades of gray
Update, Monday 7:08 a.m. PST: Added information on Wal-Mart's Black Friday deals.
Usually Black Friday is a good time of year for consumers and retailers. It's when retailers get "in the black" by getting rid of a lot of excess inventory through offering drastic discounts.
This year is different. The economy has crumbled, consumers plan on spending less, and at least for those shopping for electronics, there are fewer viable options with many Circuit City stores set to close.
Some bargain hunters have complained that, so far, they haven't seen as many great deals as they're used to this time of year as the circular Black Friday ads for major retailers get leaked ahead of time.
CNET News caught up with some retail and Black Friday specialists to ask them if and where good deals can be found this season.
For electronics, the best deals may not be found at the Best Buys and Wal-Marts of the world this year, says Daniel de Grandpre, CEO of Dealnews, a bargain-tracking site. He recommends regional competitors to the international chains. "Look towards MicroCenter, Fry's Electronics, Meijer, and others for better Black Friday deals. MicroCenter's weekend sale has some outstanding deals."
There will also be great deals on the Web. Not just online-only retailers like Newegg.com and Amazon.com, but the Web sites of your favorite stores, too. All major retailers with Web stores maintain different inventories for their brick-and-mortar and online outlets, and will try to entice customers with "Web only" discounts.
A lot more sites will be enticing consumers with offers of free shipping this year. "Free shipping will be prevalent," as will specials on gift cards or offers of no sales tax, according to John Squire, chief strategy officer for Coremetrics, which tracks online retail sales. Also look for more online coupons and "minimum basket values," which are free goods or other enticements if you spend a certain amount of money.
Despite all of this, uncertainty is rampant among retailers.
"In the past, these things were a lot easier to predict than this year," said Squire of Coremetrics. In years past, holiday sales were generally up 20 percent on Black Friday and the following Monday, and the top sales day has been easy to pinpoint as December 9.
"But since the drop of the stock market and complete falloff in consumer spending in October...it's hard to give distinct numbers for Black Friday or Cyber Monday this year."
But that doesn't mean holiday discounts won't be as generous this year. Dealnews' de Grandpre says being less aggressive on prices this year would be a risky strategy.
"Shoppers are savvier than ever. They have access to far more information than ever," by doing advance comparison shopping with Black Friday tracking sites, he said. "If a retailer doesn't offer a suitable 'doorbuster' to drive traffic to its stores, buyers will look for someone else who does."
Some retailers are doing Black Friday month specials, rather than confining their deep discounts to just the day following Thanksgiving.
Black Friday "is the best single day for bargains, without question. However, there are Black Friday-like deals happening now," according to de Grandpre. "(Beginning in October), we've already seen a Blu-ray player for $170 with $70 in free Blu-ray movies--akin to getting the player for $100. We've also seen a 42-inch 720p LCD HDTV for $600, and a Kingston 32GB USB Flash Drive for $30, both with free shipping."
Kmart, for example, officially started offering "Early Black Friday" deals on November 2 (registration required), in an attempt to entice buyers who are expected to be more conservative about their spending this holiday.
Still, the long Thanksgiving weekend is a key one for retailers looking to lure consumers in droves. On Monday, for instance, Wal-Mart touted its "three days of Black Friday," which it's kicking off with online deals starting Thursday ahead of in-store offerings Friday and Saturday.
The Consumer Electronics Association says consumers it's polled this year plan to spend $200 less on the holidays, and retailers were bracing early for reduced demand this season.
Clearly, buying will be down across the board for the holiday season, said Squire of CoreMetrics. The key is retailers being able to deliver the right mix of merchandise that price-conscious consumers want.
"For merchandisers that have a broad selection, and ones they can change around, they're going to do really well," he said. "Those that have erred on the side of luxury goods will struggle."
Erica Ogg is a CNET News reporter who covers Apple, HP, Dell, and other PC makers, as well as the consumer electronics industry. She's also one of the hosts of CNET News' Daily Podcast. In her non-work life, she's a history geek, a loyal Dodgers fan, and a mac-and-cheese connoisseur. E-mail Erica. 






Besides, "Day After Thanksgiving Sales" is much more descriptive. I don't go shopping that Friday just because I want the retailers to get some money. I go looking for the sales.
"Black Friday" refers to retailers selling enough goods to make actually money on their balance sheets.
The two ideas are opposite of each other. The sales help get people into a store, but the sale itself is not helping the store make any money. Many times, they loose money on those great bargain items.
This would indicate that the only way retailers can make money is by swindling customers with bait-and-switch tactics.
Furthermore, except for the doorbuster sales a lot of the sales aren't really impressive. Many of the non-doorbuster sales are no more impressive than sales during a regular week it is just that there are more items on sale. A careful consumer could have gotten almost everything on a lot of these post thanksgiving day ads without waiting in a 1-4 hour long line just by watching the weekly ads in the the Sunday newspaper. Even the doorbuster items require a wait that pretty excessive. Especially in warmer climates some people are known to wait 8+ hours for a chance at 8-10 of these doorbusters. If you divide the number of hours by the money saved in some cases the savings per hour of waiting isn't impressive.
at places like Best Buy you have people camping out for 3-4 days to try to save $50 on a laptop, of which each store has maybe 6 in stock. it's really gotten ridiculous
Most retailers are identical to everyone else.
Instead of people lining up to get fleeced, the retailers will just have to work a little for profits.
Hopefully it causes more than one to go belly up, we need a culling of the retail flock.
Due to the lack of really huge loss leaders I doubt many stores will lose money on Black Friday, but I expect customers to be spending less money this year so even the most successful stores may not be significantly more profitable on this day.
dude you're trying too hard to be different. how about you be a normal person and call it what normal people call it -- Black Friday.
as for the sales and deals this year...
Amazon has some really good ones going on. there's a $199 PS3 with Little Big Planet included. you just have to log in and cast your vote and then you're entered into a random drawing to be offered that price.
By the way, people who go shopping at the crack of dawn (or earlier) on the day after Thanksgiving need to find a hobby or something, or maybe they could get up and make a great day-after-Thanksgiving breakfast and enjoy it with their families instead of going shopping. Most of the time when a store has some spectacular deal on a particular item (like a digital camera for $29 or a DVD player for $19), it is a terrible item that isn't even worth the low price people are paying for it. Everyone would be better off saving their money for a while (I know that's next to impossible for many people) and buying a better, more expensive "insert item name here."
I know more than a few people who put themselves into debt every winter because they don't want to come out and say they can't afford to buy a bunch of Christmas presents for everyone, and these supposed black Friday "deals" just encourage people to go out and spend more money that they don't have. I think the real reason the day after Thanksgiving is referred to as "black Friday" is because it is the beginning of a new form of plague...one whose primary symptom is a mountain of credit card debt.
But to those of you brave enough (or dumb enough) to shop on Friday: good luck!
There are some real deals on Black Friday, but I have noticed this year that there are a number of retail stores that are advertising cheap items at or only slightly below MSRP and are relying upon customers to think that they are getting a great deal simply because it is Black Friday and people associate great deals with Black Friday.
No thanks. I pass.
If you want to stay warm, check out this site. It's full of online Black Friday and Cyber Monday Deals:
http://www.blackfridayads.me
It's not the "only" day they make a profit, it's just the first day they become profitable for the whole year.
Google. It's your friend, Friend.
the only problem with this, is that most companies report earnings on a quarterly basis...annual profits don't really amount to a whole hill of beans.
Black Friday is really a bunch of smoke and mirrors, with very few legitimate "deals" and most retailers will be hard pressed to turn a profit by Christmas if they're lucky, since every consumer will spend about $200 less this year. so if they thought last year was mediocre, look out, they ain't seen nothin yet.
not into it at all.
Hopefully we get Manny back
That being said, even though I am not in any way religious, it is sad to see that Christmas is no longer about Jesus' story for many people (even many supposed Christians). Instead it is about making wish-lists, shopping, and greed. Personally, I would be happy just getting to spend time with family and have a nice dinner. I could really go without the gift exchanging, especially amongst adults.
- by Hockeyfan333 November 26, 2008 5:32 AM PST
- Black Friday - The day I wear black and morn my bank account while my wife goes shopping. :)
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- by bsharkey November 28, 2008 5:45 AM PST
- LOL very true hockey fan!!
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