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March 25, 2009 5:10 PM PDT

FAQ: Conficker time bomb ticks, but don't expect boom

by Elinor Mills

There's been lots of hype about the fact that the latest variant of the Conficker worm is set to start communicating with other computers on the Internet on April 1--like an April Fool's Day time bomb with some mysterious payload.

But security researchers say the reality is probably going to be more like what happened when the clocks on the world's computers turned to January 1, 2000, after lots of dire predictions about the so-called millennium bug. That is, not much at all.

"It doesn't mean we're going to see some large cyber event on April 1," Dean Turner, director of the global intelligence network at Symantec Security Response, said on Wednesday.

It's likely that the people behind Conficker are interested in using the botnet, which is comprised of all the infected computers, to make money by distributing spam or other malware, experts speculate. To do so, they would need the computers and networks to stay in operation.

"Most of these criminals, even though they haven't done something with this botnet yet, are profit-driven," said Paul Ferguson, an advanced-threats researcher for Trend Micro. "They don't want to bring down the infrastructure. That would not allow them to continue carrying out their scams."

To help clear up some of the confusion about Conficker, here are answers to common questions people may have.

What is Conficker and how does it work?
Conficker is a worm, also known as Kido or Downadup, that cropped up in November. It exploits a vulnerability in Windows that Microsoft patched in October.

Conficker.B, detected in February, added the ability to spread through network shares and via removable storage devices, like USB drives, through the AutoRun function in Windows.

Conficker.C, which surfaced earlier this month, shuts down security services, blocks computers from connecting to security Web sites, and downloads a Trojan. It also reaches out to other infected computers via peer-to-peer networking and includes a list of 50,000 different domains, of which 500 will be contacted by the infected computer on April 1 to receive updated copies or other malware or instructions. Previous Conficker variants were written to connect to 250 domains a day.

Among the domains targeted by Conficker was that of Southwest Airlines, which was expected to see an increase in traffic from the botnet on March 13. But a Southwest spokesman said the worm had had no impact on the site.

Where did Conficker come from?
Some pieces of the Conficker code and methodologies it uses are similar to those used in previous botnet worms created by the underground operation known as the Russian Business Network and cohorts in the Ukraine, Ferguson said. But while there is speculation, researchers don't know for sure who is involved, he said.

"There is some evidence to indicate that this might at one point have been tied to distribution of misleading apps and rogue affiliate networks," said Symantec's Turner.

How is it different from other Internet worms?
Conficker has grown increasingly sophisticated with each iteration, with features designed to increase its longevity, most likely in response to researchers' attempts to block it. After researchers began preregistering domains targeted in the code, the Conficker.C authors upped the ante by having the algorithm generate 50,000 possible domains, instead of just 250, throwing a big roadblock into efforts to counter the worm. The creators also are using advanced encryption to obscure the instructions detailing which random 500 of the 50,000 domains will actually be contacted on April 1.

It appears the authors may also be intending to create domain collisions by targeting domains that are already in use by legitimate owners, Ferguson said.

"They're creating collateral damage, throwing a monkey wrench into our ability to counter them," he said. "What they're trying to do is make our lives miserable on any efforts to mitigate the threat."

Some of the tactics, including the domain randomization, inter-node communication, and use of strong encryption, are new, according to Ferguson.

"They are using tactics that are probably the most complex and sophisticated botnet tactics we've seen to date," he said. "This is very professionally architected design and development."

Added Turner: "This is the first widespread distribution of a worm since about 2004," when Sasser came out. That worm was believed to have infected as many as 500,000 computers.

What is being done to fight Conficker?
Microsoft has partnered with all the major security companies and domain registrars and registries to form the Conficker Coalition Working Group. The parties are collaborating on research, trying to put the pieces of the puzzle together and figure out who is behind the worm and how to stop it. They are using techniques like behavioral analysis of the code and reverse engineering, but researchers don't want to reveal too much information on their efforts. "We have made headway but I'm hesitant to talk about how far we've gotten," Turner said.

Researchers in the U.S. are preregistering domains that are targeted, but experts in Canada are going even further. The Canadian Internet Registration Authority is taking steps to block domains generated in Conficker code that fall in the .ca top-level domain from being used in the botnet, the nonprofit agency said. "If other domain registries were able to do the same thing it would go a long way toward helping mitigate some of the ability for the botnet to breathe," Ferguson said.

Conficker has proved to be such a nuisance that Microsoft has even offered a $250,000 reward for information leading to an arrest in the Conficker case.

What can I do?
Computer users should apply the Microsoft patch and update their antivirus and other security software.

Windows users should also apply a Microsoft update for the AutoRun feature in Windows that was released in February. The patch allows people to selectively disable the Autorun functionality for drives on a system or network to provide more security, to ensure that it is truly disabled. In addition to putting USB drive users at risk of Conficker and other viruses, the Autorun functionality has been blamed for infections from digital photo frames and other storage types.

Panda also has released a free "vaccine" tool for blocking viruses that spread through USB drives.

Microsoft has a Conficker removal tool. More botnet information and removal resources are on the Shadowserver Web site.

Elinor Mills covers Internet security and privacy. She joined CNET News in 2005 after working as a foreign correspondent for Reuters in Portugal and writing for The Industry Standard, the IDG News Service, and the Associated Press. E-mail Elinor.
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by man_w_balls March 25, 2009 5:46 PM PDT
what if someone like Paul Ferguson wrote the virus to sell more antivirus software?

"Most of these criminals ... are profit-driven"

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by derilium March 25, 2009 7:22 PM PDT
its possible.
by screamapillar March 26, 2009 9:22 PM PDT
that is still profit driven

I think it is a little foolish to just assume that the point of activity like this isn't to tear the whole freakin' system down. The ultimate protest against that would punish companies terribly by costing them squillions
by winsoftwareman April 8, 2009 9:55 PM PDT
windows nt 4 is the fastest and leanest operating system, along with windows 95 osr1. No IE!!!! but, back to subject. If these it people weren't so scared of updating, the firewalls and anti-viruses would be up to date. Many IT people are afraid of this. But it may also be that these computers had an outdated operating system (DOS, 3.1, WFW, NT3SERVER, 98, 98SE) and did not have patches to protect this, and the firewalls were old versions and did not have updates. There is a lot of possiblites. In that case they should have a new computer filter the network connections before it comes to the old computers. idk... plus they need to enforce what the DOJ said. and you know what they said...
by t8 March 25, 2009 6:50 PM PDT
Another problem for the world due to Microsoft. Although most deserve it for relying so heavily on one companies operating system. Imagine if 90+% of humans had the same DNA. The human race wouldn't stand much chance against certain viruses etc.

Understand people that there is strength in diversity.

Same problem with show dogs. They are vulnerable to all sorts of genetic defects because of inbreeding. Say no to inbred operating systems and inbred anything.

This really is the fault of the US government for allowing Microsoft to extend it's monopoly by not handing out sufficient punishment for their abusive monopolistic practices.

Competition is good for consumers on every level. Monopolies cause more headaches than they are worth simply because monopolies are usually only interested in themselves and care not for everyone else.
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by mbenedict March 25, 2009 8:04 PM PDT
Bad analogy and poor analysis.

In fact, the DNA of all human beings on earth are 99.9% the same. The amount that varies is only 0.1%, proportionally less than the differences between, say, XP and Vista! There is no such "strength in diversity" in the human race, or even in primates (chimps have 95% the same DNA as we do) or mammals or in fact all animals.

Hence diseases can jump from a pig or a chimp or a bird to human beings. Hence all of us are susceptible to ebola. Yes certain viruses could indeed wipe out the human race (which is why a bird flu mutation would be so devastating.)

If human beings didn't share 99.9% of the exact same DNA, then we'd lose "compatibility". Sound familiar? Except in biological terms that would mean we couldn't reproduce and would stop to exist as a species, which would really suck. So thank God (or Darwin) that we're all virtually the same.

Some humans will do stupid things like sharing needless, have unprotected sex with a lot of strangers, not using an anti-virus, or downloading random programs from porn sites. Yet humans live on, and so will the Windows ecosystem.
by repondent2341 March 25, 2009 10:15 PM PDT
In agreennce with mbenedict about human DNA, Although the majority of life on this planet share the same DNA as well as basic elements of life (Amino acid,Carbon etc....). Its survival is dependent it diversity.

Todays society is geared more and more towards a uniform, singular manifestation, a monoolpoly be it software, agriculture, fisheries etc.... Homogenizes is counter productive to the survival of us all, be it food, animals, modes of transport, even software. There should be a diversity among all with a level of compatibility. Bovines are very much like us as they are different from us however they have the same needs as we do, breathe, eat, sleep etc... they are treated as a resource for which money is to be ade from.

Everything in life should be considered as a part of a whole rather than a whole part, everything, not just software, water, food, fuel, everything.
by ncalishome March 26, 2009 1:10 AM PDT
Patched 5+ months ago and blame Microsoft and the government? As the saying goes, you can lead a horse to water...

Perhaps if another company were offering a truly competitive solution Microsoft would not be in this monopolistic situation they're in. Competition is indeed good, but as I see it OS X is the only real competition (on the operating system from) at this point and most people don't want or can't afford spendy (although top-end) hardware. Linux just isn't there yet for the majority of consumers -- part of it is because Microsoft is winning the mind share and patent battle, and partly because at this point you need a friend with a degree in computer science to fix your machine if something goes bad.

A competitor to Microsoft would be someone like Apple, but with an operating system as good as OS X and widely available at a price point the consumer wants to spend. And they would need to create developer tools as good as Visual Studio and go to extraordinary lengths to attract developers and keep them happy. Microsoft has fought hard, created an incredibly productive and happy developer community, and created an enormous breadth of products over the years. If Apple only had the 90's to do over again and not squander Microsoft would not be in the position they're in.
by jezzur March 26, 2009 3:48 PM PDT
If you read t8's comment, he says "what is 90% + of humans had the same DNA"... He does not talk about the proportion of DNA code that is identical under normal circumstances. That is, he is saying if we were identical - pretty much clones, then we would all be susceptible to the same viruses and illnesses, and that such illness would be more likely to wipe us out.

Mbenedict, I really don't care, but this "Bad analogy and poor analysis" beginning, and your patronising tone makes you look like a total fool. T8's point was clear, and the analogy did the job. He is right....

If all computers in the world, at the same time, share a common security flaw, then there is a huge risk. If there are 10 operating systems with equal market share, then the likelihood of this is lower.

Don't be such a smart arse. Further, if there is a slight error with a person's comment or if a chosen analogy is not rock solid, just get over it and don't be such a tool. Your point about compatibility was great, but the rest of your DNA talk was pointless bollocks.
by mbenedict March 26, 2009 11:25 PM PDT
@jezzur: oh, the hypocrisy.

In any case the DNA analogy is still a poor one. DNA factors are more important in genetic disorders, not general resistance against viruses. Yet even identical twins (which by definition have the same DNA) do not suffer from identical diseases. Whether 0% or 99% of humans had the same exact DNA wont significantly change the mortality rate against, say, Ebola.

Not to mention that Conficker is a worm, not a virus... which totally fails the analogy.
by sonymaster101 March 27, 2009 1:31 PM PDT
no, its just all the ******* computer users out there. Microsoft Patched this problem before it even existed, and yet people are such idiots that they cant even take the time to update their OS. If everyone had done that, this worm wouldn't exist. If Mac were prone to viruses (which they are, they just aren't exploited) there would be just as many infections, because it is still a dipshit using the computer. At least windows has automatic updates, something OSX doesnt have as of 10.4, idk about 10.5. even linux has auto updates. you will find that the average mac user does not check for updates on their own, and some of them have never updated once.

Point is, no matter what OS is being used, there is always going to be the dipshits (be it man or woman) that make the exploitation of the OS possible.
by rllaw March 27, 2009 7:37 PM PDT
DNA aside, the claim that the US government allowed Microsoft to extend its monopoly is completely backwards. Microsoft's "monopoly" (funny that he thinks there is one with all the apple fanboys bashing windows around, and all the linux guys promoting their way of life) exists because no one has had a better idea. Government enforces monopoly only when a company can't cut it on its own. Here, Microsoft cuts it very well on its own. The government is asked to cripple the success of MS in order to allow other companies (who aren't able to compete on MS's level) to be at less of a disadvantage. [stopping before a rant breaks out]
by JCPayne March 29, 2009 9:20 AM PDT
They just need to enforce the judge's ruling that Microsoft be split into two or more companies.
by Mark_Anderson March 31, 2009 1:07 PM PDT
@mbenedict

That was possibly the best debunking of a really bad analogy that I've seen for a long, long time.

Thanks for that. Brightened my day up.
by rapier1 March 31, 2009 10:16 PM PDT
@mbenedict;

Unfortunately your debunking of the analogy isn't right. While disease can jump from one species to another (zoonotic infections) these sorts of disease vectors tend to be relatively rare and even then generally require a unique set of circumstances for it to happen. There are, of course, exceptions to this rule but they are exceptions. The vast majority of viruses are highly species specific and simply fail to thrive in alien hosts unless their protein coats are able to exploit a common entry point into the cell. Even then, just because a virus causes a disease in one species doesn't mean it will in another.

To use your ebola example - it's theorized that ebola uses bats as its natural reservoir - three species of fruit bats simply don't get sick from ebola even though they harbor large amounts of the virus. Sometimes people are exposed to ebola by contact with bats *but* even then most of the time the virus fails to take hold. However, on rare occaisions it is able to make the leap and it leads to a disasterous outcome for both the humans the virus (ebola has a tendency to kill the host too quickly leading to a natural burnout of the virus because it can't jump from host to host quickly enough). Of course, there are provisos with all of this - some forms of ebola aren't dangerous to humans even if they are infected (Reston A) even though its lethal to some varieties of monkeys and apes. Some zoonotic infections can end up becoming endemic. Some virii can infect a wide variety of animals (influenza) etc etc etc... However, its generally accurate to say that any particular viral strain evolved in close conjunction with one or a very small number of closely related species. Species jumping is the expection.

With regards to the "stength in diversity" argument. Its not uncommon for a certain subset of any population to be immune to an infection even without prior exposure. Its not an immune response - the person is genetically immune, the virus cannot take hold in the host or has a difficult time doing so. For example, there is significant evidence that certain northern europeans sub groups are essentially immune to the plague bacillus (http://haplogroup-i.com/2008/genetic-mutation-imminuty-plague-hiv/). Likewise, some people are immune to many common strains of influenza. Luck of the draw really. Similarly, certain sub-sarahan groups are less affected by malaria because of a genetic predisposition to sickle cell anemia. In the same way some humans retained the ability to digest lactose into adulthood and some didn't. These are all genetic factors. While the DNA may be nearly identical there is a lot of difference in how those genes are actually expressed. So there is quite a bit of diversity in the human race at fundamental and inheritable levels.

The lack of genetic diversity problem is an issue with bananas though. Seriously. Bananas only propogate vegetatively (cuttings) so every commerical banana tree in the world (cavendish cultivar) is susceptible to the same disease (a viral infection) because they are, in a manner of speaking, clones. The previous common cultivar (Gros Michel) was essentially wiped out in the 1950s due to a fungal infection because there was no real diversity within the cultivar.

Yes, this has nothing to do with computers. I'm just a fan of epidemiology and I saw an opening. ;)
by cartmen456 March 25, 2009 7:44 PM PDT
i just heard about this on the news how can prevent it
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by mbenedict March 25, 2009 8:17 PM PDT
Conflicker is a worm. If you have a "wireless router" at home (most people do these days), then its firewall is already more than sufficient to block it. If you have "automatic updates" from Microsoft enabled, then you're very well protected. If you don't have "automatic updates" turn on, now it's the time to do so.

The vast majority of the computers infected with Conflicker are very old, unmaintained systems. Ironically most are likely corporate computers where misguided IT staff turn off "auto update" without regularly applying patches, and fail to install an anti-virus (or keep its database updated.) The lack of firewalls within most corporate intranets means an infection of one of these computers will expose all of the computers in that intranet.
by DrtyDogg March 26, 2009 6:21 PM PDT
or if you update your computer regularly then your are protected.
by JCPayne March 29, 2009 9:33 AM PDT
They might also be Operating systems Microsoft isn't making patches for anymore. Windows 3.1, 95,98, 98SE, ME, 2000 I know some elderly people who still have 95/98 and variants and they say all they do is email so they wont buy a new machine. Check the machine and some have never installed a patch.
by willdryden March 30, 2009 2:17 PM PDT
Win 98SE is the leanest/ fastest OS microsoft ever wrote with the posible exception of DOS 5.0. Since then, it has all been bloatware and security is no better. Win 98 with a real firewall is just as safe as win Vista and takes 1/10th the computer to run it.
by 1363nd0f1337 March 31, 2009 3:22 PM PDT
To prevent this just ensure that your OS is up to date, Windows update, and ensure that you have AV that is up to date running. I also recommend turning your AV's heuristics on.
by jcomputm March 25, 2009 9:08 PM PDT
It is enough for conficker to take on the world and its computers, and it's enough for automatic updates, a firewall, and a powerful antivirus to protect it, but really there could be some risks if you have a home network
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by AureusD March 25, 2009 10:10 PM PDT
George Carlin would think the name of this virus is hilarious.....Corn what? Yep, that's exactly what this virus does.
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by techgeeknews March 25, 2009 11:15 PM PDT
What security should you be running on your servers? Any suggestions?

www.techgeeknews.net
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by ace10134 March 26, 2009 7:43 PM PDT
For this virus?

Just run Microsoft Update. It's your own fault if you get this virus.
by 1363nd0f1337 March 31, 2009 3:20 PM PDT
What he said. Make sure the OS is up to date.
by CLHarx March 25, 2009 11:43 PM PDT
That's a swell-looking laptop they've chosen to go along with the story. Mid-2007 MacBook Pro, I think?
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by therealgeeves March 26, 2009 2:59 AM PDT
classic :) I am worried my parallels pc is infected...
by 1363nd0f1337 March 31, 2009 3:19 PM PDT
If you've ran updates in the last month on your Parallels guest OS then there's nothing to worry about as this only affects people who haven't run Windows Update in some time.
by 3rdalbum March 26, 2009 4:56 AM PDT
I usually keep up with security news, but this is the first article I've read about what Conficker does. It suddenly sounds quite scary that the worm is programmed to do something, but even security researchers don't quite know what yet.

My family is on Linux now so of course I'm not carrying Conficker (and for the record, Linux is mostly easier to use than Windows - completely different, but easier). But it's possible that the actions of the worm could affect ordinary people like me who haven't played any part in its spread.
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by machelpdesk March 26, 2009 5:54 AM PDT
Yet another reason to own a Macintosh - NO VIRUSES! None, nada, zip.
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by liven2 March 26, 2009 6:57 AM PDT
Well somewhat true... There have been some proof of concept and some that can be obtained thru some porn sites but nothing wide spread or self spawning like this... Very small and not really in the wild in mass but rather concepts and incredibly hard to get or contract. So the Mac is MUCH, much safer (as of today) in the real world but just be careful on the word "No Viruses" as conceptually there are a few.

I want you to know that I am not bashing you, just being helpful as some people will bash you here big time. Please NOTE: I am a happy Mac user and love all three of my Macs I just want you to be careful on the "NO Viruses" words as this is not 100% true and can make us Mac users look silly and ill informed. :) But I know what your saying... AS I sit here on my Macbook Pro with very little concern or hardly a thought of getting anything like this. WooHOO!! :)
by tcr071 March 26, 2009 4:24 PM PDT
Yeah. Except, of course, for that trojan that infected thousands of Mac users several months ago.

There are no viruses on the Mac the same reason the people in Tuscaloosa, Texas feel safe from terrorist attacks. There are only about 500 people there.
by 1363nd0f1337 March 31, 2009 3:28 PM PDT
@tcr071

You mean like the one described here at macfixit.com?

http://www.macfixit.com/article.php?story=20090326104010541

Yeah, no malware on Macs *rolls eyes*
by serialcomputerrepair March 26, 2009 6:48 AM PDT
And as soon as your beloved Linux or Mac systems gain that market share that you think is deserved, someone will release a virus that will bring you to your knees. There are no viruses because you are too little for anyone to bother with you, it has nothing to do with security.
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by liven2 March 26, 2009 7:09 AM PDT
This is such a Lame excuse!! There are hundreds of Mac users World wide and don't you think the fame and success from being seen all over the news to be the first to infect Macs on MAss would be enough motivation to create a Mac virus? THere have been viruses created for cell phone OS's that have a much smaller market share than Apple's. The reason Mac's do not have proliferating viruses on mass is the difficulty in getting them to do so in OS X. It is a valuable and worth while target for infectious programming but a very challenging one and this is why most steer away.

Trust me It is a target already but no one has done it ... YET but is not due to market share my friend (as there are hundreds of millions of user world wide) it is due to the Challenge of the OS security... PLEASE NOTE it will happen but most likely not in mass or as easy as it is on Windows! Macs are NOT perfect but just better than Windows. It is one reason I love my Mac... The Market Share Story is totally Bogus!!! The fame alone from getting a massive virus attack on Apple products is HUGE and reward in it's self!!!
by tcr071 March 26, 2009 4:30 PM PDT
Let's see. If there are 100 computers to be sold going by current worldwide market share one of those is Linux, four of those in Mac, and 95 of those are Windows.

I am a virus writer and I am trying to decide whether I should go after the 4 people, the one person, or the 95 people? What do I think would do the most damage... hmmm...

Yeah. You are right. Lame excuse. It isn't as if the Pwn2Own hacking conference demonstrated an ability to take complete control of a 2008 unibody MacBook in less than 10 seconds or anything. Mac OS CX is just much more "Secure."
by Notoapplefanbois March 27, 2009 12:58 PM PDT
@tcr

more like if there are 100,000 computers, 91,000 will be windows,8,995 mac's and 5 Linux's/Unix's.

Now if you write malware, which one are you going to go for? the consumer, the Idiot CEO or the company which holds server's for a major company?

The Malware writer's, if they are out to get something/someone will go for the CEO or Servers. Un/Fortunately there aren't many of these so the consumers get the Malware. However both will lose if one is infected.

So consumer on infected Mac tries to buy goods of internet, Malware steals credit card details before forcing the computer to shut down before transaction is completed so consumer loses money, doesn't get goods and seller doesn't sell goods and doesn't get money.
by DrStrangelove23 March 28, 2009 9:08 PM PDT
One thing to note is company servers. As a former web developer, I do know that a large number of servers, albeit development or otherwise rely on RedHat, so LINUX isn't necessarily a moot point. I agree with the numbers, but if one wanted to cripple a network, LINUX would also be a possible target as well, regardless.
by 1363nd0f1337 March 31, 2009 3:17 PM PDT
^That's why no self respecting Red Hat administrator will have SELinux turned off.
by liven2 March 26, 2009 7:12 AM PDT
OOPS I just re-read my first paragraph... LOL>... I meant to say hundreds of Millions of users... Kind of funny... DOH!!
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by CLHarx March 26, 2009 10:01 AM PDT
That was funny. Yeah, I'd go so far as to say there's DOZENS of us! ;-)

I've backed away from these security-through-obscurity debates, since they're generally concerned with predicting the future. I have Parallels/WindowsXP for my job, I use the Mac OS for the rest of my life plus ANY web-browsing, and I'm so glad I haven't had any of the experiences Windows people have on a regular basis. Once I get "pwned" (sp?) by some script MacKiddie, I'll give a rat's a**.

(Although when someone says "There are no viruses because you are too little for anyone to bother with you," it makes my lower lip tremble and I go running to Mummy.)
by serialcomputerrepair March 26, 2009 1:38 PM PDT
Just an example, the Pwn2Own contest. This guy Charlie Miller hacked Safari in like 2 minutes. Programs are complicated and the people that write them can't always predict vulnerabilities. This goes for any program/OS.

http://dvlabs.tippingpoint.com/blog/2009/03/18/pwn2own-2009-day-1---safari-internet-explorer-and-firefox-taken-down-by-four-zero-day-exploits

I'm not saying that Windows is the most secure thing out there, but I think MS does pretty well considering the size of and definitely the type of userbase it has. Most users have no idea what the User Account Control messages are, and have no idea what to click. I can only imagine half of the cust support calls they get even now. Ok, I think I made my point.

Oh, I know this hasn't been said here, but I am going to slap the next person that says Win98 was the most secure OS ever.
by DrtyDogg March 26, 2009 6:27 PM PDT
Actually seralcomputerrepair the the Mac was hacked twice in that competition. Charlie Miller hit it up through Safari, and "Nils2Own" hit it up through Firefox when asked why he hit firefox on OS X instead of Windows he said,
"The bug does affect Windows but, honestly, it?s way harder to get the code to run reliably on Windows. That?s the reason I did my Firefox attack on the Mac. I?m not allowed to talk about it but, for that bug, to get real exploitation on Windows is difficult because of ASLR (Address Space Layout Randomization) and DEP (Data Execution Prevention). On the Mac, I could trigger it and exploit it easily."

http://blogs.zdnet.com/security/?p=2951
by Mark_Anderson March 31, 2009 1:09 PM PDT
"I meant to say hundreds of Millions of users"

I sincerely doubt there are anywhere near 100 million Mac users in the world.
by dudemanguysondog March 31, 2009 8:37 PM PDT
hey serialcomputerrepair

win 98 = most secure os ever!

HAHA!
by BogusBasin March 26, 2009 7:28 AM PDT
My entire family is always calling me to come help them rid their computers of viruses, trojans, spyware, malware...Whatever you want to call it. Except for the ones that I have convinced to switch to Mac. We can go all day about the good and bad of each OS. Waste of time. My point is, EVERY PC in the family has gotten infected with something despite having safeguards in place. NONE of the Macs has had a problem despite having NO protection at all. I disagree that Macs cost more. Even if they do, it is worth every penny when you have a PC and you have to deal with this type of crud. Amen
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by Motyoj March 26, 2009 3:28 PM PDT
Agreed. Sometimes I don't know what to do with myself some weekends because the computer works fine.
by pagewise March 30, 2009 9:17 AM PDT
Yeah, macs rule eh... but I'd get MacScan if for nothing more than deleting 'tracking cookies'. Also 'Little Snitch' to allow/deny any software from 'calling home'. I use firewalls on my 4-mac network with a router and a dsl modem these hacker never-kissed-a-girl wankers have to get through.

My macs are all second-hand, very affordable... Power PC, not intel, but run Panther, Tiger, Leopard and even CS4 suite (except Pr and Ae) on G4s even though adobe says you can't.

Yep, I drank the apple kool-aid long ago, very tasty!
by linuxgeek90 March 30, 2009 10:52 AM PDT
So is it cool to make a statement, and the agree with yourself? Amen.

you guys are weird. amen.
by pagewise March 30, 2009 7:07 PM PDT
hey linuxgeek... you talkin' to me? damn straight i'm weird... at least i hope i am.
Good comment bud, you made my day. See, i told you i was weird.
by elllroy March 26, 2009 7:37 AM PDT
worm threatens to bring down millions of windows computers worldwide. linux-pcs and macs unaffected. ah, how i love these headlines in the morning.
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by CrashPad63 March 27, 2009 6:30 AM PDT
Of course you would. Matters not that "people" are being affected. What a putz.
by Farthing Haypenny March 26, 2009 8:38 AM PDT
It seems at this point to be cost-effective simply to have the people behind this whacked. Cut them to pieces and raise the risk of this form of criminality.
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by The_happy_switcher March 26, 2009 9:15 AM PDT
Another fun day in Window's Adventureland.
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by guest86 March 26, 2009 8:02 PM PDT
I was worry about Microsoft Update can cause computers to get infect. I refuse to update from Microsoft will cause my computer to crash! I stick with Malwarebytes' Anti-Malware and McAfee. Please update for both powerful anti-virus softwares now. I wish Malwarebytes' Anti-Malware and McAfee will be success full protection against 100 % percentage of virus, malwares, worms, spyware, etc!!! I set my Update for Windows is OFF and forever without worry about updates from Microsoft for about one year from now!

Hey Malwarebytes and McAfee companies, please fighting against infect and harmful things!!!! Go on! I beg on two companies! :-( I really sad.
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by CrashPad63 March 27, 2009 6:33 AM PDT
You are an idiot then. Good luck, the PC you set in front of is propably already infected. Folks the way to stop this on is update your computer. The update itself was out months ahead of this exploit showing up in the wild. Just update.
by 1363nd0f1337 March 31, 2009 12:08 PM PDT
Holy crap. That makes no logical sense whatsoever. Windows doesn't crash with updates. If that was the case I would have tens of hours of downtime between my two systems every month on Patch Tuesday. Good luck with that though.
by guest86 March 31, 2009 7:53 PM PDT
My Update is working. Keep eye on news about virus.
by aman_8505 March 27, 2009 12:01 AM PDT
buy a mac
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by CrashPad63 March 27, 2009 6:33 AM PDT
We dont want to go from bad to worse.
by AZNpeoples March 29, 2009 3:33 PM PDT
ya
the $1000 from my wallet is going towards a piece of **** computer?
are you kidding me?

I'll stick with pc
by jaycustom March 27, 2009 6:22 AM PDT
Why does everything have to turn into a flame war? I don't even know why Mac users post here...just to talk smack,obviously,because this post has nothing to do with you. Believe that the only reason Macs aren't targeted by rouge programmers is because of their small market share,NOT because your precious OSX is impenetrable.Nothing is. Now, I'm not flaming..I own a PC and I do like Macs too, but cmon..they aren't Jesus Christ reborn!Besides..this conficker will affect only a small population(people that deserve it) that doesn't maintain their PCs.Not even worthy of all the press...pff. OH BTW..WOZ IS A TOOL!!! hahah !!!
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by joyofsomeone March 28, 2009 2:10 PM PDT
Um. Perhaps Mac users post on here because, like PC users, we can care about technology too? It's not like it's a Windows-specific interest, jeez!
And sure, i never point out that OS X is impenetrable, i just point out that i don't get viruses. The details as to why i don't doesn't really matter that much.
Oh, and just to point out, i still have an anti-virus on my Mac, just in case.


And on a different note, i'm looking forward to seeing what happens when the Conficker happens :)

Oh. Btw. I don't give a damn about Woz. We don't all worship him, you see? The same way i bet you probably don't worship Bill Gates.
by pagewise March 30, 2009 9:41 AM PDT
god uses a mac, too bad he's sick presently... must be a virus
by 1363nd0f1337 March 31, 2009 12:10 PM PDT
@joyofsomeone

It's when something like this comes up and people start the "Well, good thing I run a Mac, Winblows users can suck it" that we get irritated. And yes, AV software on any platform is a good idea.
by johnfranks1234 March 27, 2009 8:22 AM PDT
Most companies enjoy ?security? insofar as they haven?t been targeted, or had an employee make a human error with catastrophic exposure (whether exposure of sensitive data, or exposure of the organization to malware). Price Waterhouse Cooper and Carnegie-Mellon?s CyLab have recent surveys that show the senior executive class to be, basically, clueless regarding IT risk and its tie to overall enterprise (business) risk. Data breaches and intrusion of viruses are due to a lagging business culture ? absent new eCulture, breaches will, and continue to, increase. As CIO, I?m constantly seeking things that work, in hopes that good ideas make their way back to me - check your local library: A book that is required reading is "I.T. WARS: Managing the Business-Technology Weave in the New Millennium." It also helps outside agencies understand your values and practices.
The author, David Scott, has an interview that is a great exposure: www.businessforum.com/DScott_02.html -
The book came to us as a tip from an intern who attended a course at University of Wisconsin, where the book is an MBA text. It has helped us to understand that, while various systems of security are important, no system can overcome laxity, ignorance, or deliberate intent to harm. Necessary is a sustained culture and awareness; an efficient prism through which every activity is viewed from a security perspective prior to action.
In the realm of risk, unmanaged possibilities become probabilities ? read the book BEFORE you suffer a bad outcome ? or propagate one.
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by DOTA AllMoons March 28, 2009 2:37 AM PDT
why has the topic suddenly turned into a Mac and Windows discussion? too bad CNET doesn't have moderators... im really starting to get irritated at these Mac users...
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by AZNpeoples March 29, 2009 3:36 PM PDT
true that
fanboys are the leading cause for flaming on pc's which everyone should know is one of the best os's
by pagewise March 30, 2009 7:33 PM PDT
come, drink the apple kool-aid, join us...
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