December 4, 2008 3:14 PM PST

Creative readies the Vado HD: Is it better than the Flip Video Mino HD?

by David Carnoy
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Amazon is selling the Vado HD for $200.

(Credit: Amazon)

Things are heating up in the HD mini camcorder space as Creative gets set to release its new Vado HD next week. The camcorder retains many of the design traits of the original Vado but it doesn't share the exact same body. However, it does have something that neither the Kodak Zi6 nor the Flip Video Mino HD has: an HDMI connection (plus an included cable) for outputting 1080i video to your HDTV. And it comes with 8GB of built-in memory--all for around $200.

In our review of the Vado, we knocked it a bit for being pretty no frills, and Creative seems to have taken that to heart. Along with the HDMI cable, it's throwing in a protective case and a real software package for tweaking your videos after you shoot them. Like the Mino HD, it captures H.264 AVI videos at 30fps with a 1,280x720 CMOS sensor and gives you about 2 hours of battery life from its removable rechargeable battery. You can also shoot 640x480 VGA video if you want.

On paper, the Vado HD looks good, but the big question is, how will its video quality compare to that of the Mino HD and Zi6? We'll be getting a review sample shortly, so we'll hopefully have a full review up by early next week. The Vado HD lists for $229, but Amazon is taking preorders at $200 and we expect the price to stay there.

Comments anyone?

Hunkered down in New York City, Executive Editor David Carnoy covers the gamut of gadgets and writes his Fully Equipped column, which carries the tag line "The electronics you lust for." He's also the author of "Knife Music," a novel. E-mail David. Follow David on Twitter.
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by Jimro December 4, 2008 5:29 PM PST
Please note that the Creative Vado HD is also compatible with the MAC even though Amazon does not list it as such.
See the following to confirm that:
http://us.creative.com/local/1/promo/findyourvado/welcome.asp?WT.cg_n=Campaigns&WT.mc_id=19167
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by Jimro December 5, 2008 1:02 PM PST
The Vado uses h.264 for video encoding, and AAC for audio encoding, both of which are supported by OS X, QuickTime, and iMovie.
by Jimro December 4, 2008 5:43 PM PST
Oh yes...And the Creative Vado HD has a 2 inch LCD instead of the 1.5" in the Flip Mino HD.
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by hightechnh December 5, 2008 8:27 AM PST
What is that lens looking thing on the back......and that protrusion on the bottom?
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by hightechnh December 5, 2008 11:28 AM PST
Duh....it's the record button!!
by setuhatu December 8, 2008 2:12 PM PST
I think the thing on the bottom is the tab that swings out the usb port. I wish it was flush...I'm not sure how you could stand this thing up on a ledge without a tripod due to that protrusion.
by Jimro December 5, 2008 12:44 PM PST
It also has a tripod socket even though it isn't mentioned.
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by francissawyer December 8, 2008 2:03 PM PST
Can you scan through recordings on the camera?
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by francissawyer December 8, 2008 2:09 PM PST
And the "removable rechargable" battery... This sounds like a major drawback compared to AA or AAA. The fact that it's removable helps, but this could still be a pain. A power jack would be nice; then you could make an adapter for standard batteries.
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by Jimro December 8, 2008 3:12 PM PST
The lithium ion is absolutely a major advantage.
One reason the Kodak is larger and heavier is because of the batteries. All DSLRs and all advanced digital cameras use lithium ion batteries. Lithium Ion batteries are used in Ipods etc. all for that same reason. The removable feature means that with the Creative Vado HD you can have a second battery ready to use when the first one is out of juice. You cannot do that with the Flip Mino HDD. Also a lithium ion battery, but not user interchangable.
by setuhatu December 8, 2008 2:11 PM PST
Very much looking forward to the review. This appears to have a few extra's over the minoHD. Hopefully the video quality is up to par. I will also be interested in the software features and your impressions on ease of use.
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by Jimro December 8, 2008 3:31 PM PST
I should add, the reason all DLRS use lithium ion batteries in addition to lighter weight, smaller size, is more power reserve in a smaller space, better low temperture functioning etc. All of these reasons make the Creative Vado HD's power source the better choice.
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by MooseOfReason December 8, 2008 11:11 PM PST
I have seen some footage from the camera. And it does look amazing. But the USB connector on the bottom is enough of a deterrent to keep me from buying this.

Looks like I'm getting a Zi6.
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by Jimro December 9, 2008 12:45 PM PST
Kodak Zi6 is a nonstarter for me. First, the dropped frame problem that has been reported. Second, the unit is bigger and heavier because it does not have a lithium ion battery.
The bottom connector was used in the older Creative Vado as well and I have seen no problems reported by anyone.
by Britgirl8409 December 9, 2008 9:21 AM PST
It is only partially compatible with MAC, per Creative's own website, "Mac functionality limited to importing files from Vado/Vado HD and using them with QuickTime player and suitable video codecs. Vado Central software is not compatible with Mac OS".
Seems a good enough reason not to buy it, unless I'm missing something.
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by Jimro December 9, 2008 12:47 PM PST
For a MAC user, you either live with the tradeoff or not. PC users have no problem at all.
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by Jimro December 9, 2008 2:19 PM PST
An earlier posting in case you missed it.
MAC
The Vado uses h.264 for video encoding, and AAC for audio encoding, both of which are supported by OS X, QuickTime, and iMovie.
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by Abu2girls December 9, 2008 4:05 PM PST
Thanks Jimro,

I actually called Creative yesterday and asked if the Vado HD works with a Man and the person said no it doesn't and that many people have called to ask the same question. Very strange. I hope the review of the Vado comes soon CNET! It will determine whether I buy one or not. It would be great if you could test it with a Mac before the review. Thank you
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by Abu2girls December 9, 2008 4:18 PM PST
Thanks Jimro,
ha ha ha. Hopefully it works with a man. I meant maC.
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by Jimro December 9, 2008 7:30 PM PST
Don't count on customer service at Creative USA. Many there do not know what they are talking about.
It clearly does work with the MAC and in fact someone else posted a link to a site where they talked about how they used the Vado with their MAC.
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by Jimro December 10, 2008 7:04 AM PST
I am anxiously awaiting CNET's comparative review to see just how well the video quality compares. That is THE most important thing.
It's Wednesday...Come on CNET...Post the comparison test...please...
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by Abu2girls December 10, 2008 3:18 PM PST
So if we can export HD video to iMovie, is it possible to burn the footage onto DVD without a blue ray/DH burner? Thanks
by Clayton_Guiles December 21, 2008 7:36 PM PST
Check out the Aiptek Action Hd camcorder. It's hands down way better than either of these two and you can get it for $149 at Walmart.com: http://www.walmart.com/catalog/product.do?product_id=9208238

I originally made the mistake of buying a FlipHD but luckily was able to return it and pick up the Aiptek unit. Don't get me wrong, Aiptek has their shortcomings too, but for $149 you get an optical zoom, actual 1080p video and 720p video at 60 frames per second! For $50-$70 bucks cheaper!

And the Aiptek has a component out so that you can hook it up to your HDTV! I think it's just stupid that you would make an HD camcorder that you CAN'T playback on an HDTV...
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by tiffanyacz March 4, 2009 12:20 AM PST
The Vado does a much better job with skin tones and saturation (generally) compared to the other two in indoor situations. The HDMI cable may be another win for you and the Vado, but I seldom use video out in these cameras - so that?s just a value add. Hardware controls are comfortable on the Vado, and I like how its USB connector is flexible.

But it also should be convert shoted video to video common with Daniusoft Video to Creative Zen Converter.
I free download it at http://www.convert-video-dvd.com/video-to-creativezen-converter.html#115
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by djk14 March 13, 2009 2:44 AM PDT
I own the Creative Vado HD. For a $220 camcorder, it cannot be beat. Its feature set is much better than that of the Flip Mino HD. The battery is removable, the recording time is double that of the Flip Mino HD, and the wide angle lens can't be beat. I loved my Vado HD so much I sent it to my brother. Now I have to buy another one for myself!
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by chefwa August 11, 2009 7:42 AM PDT
All I can say is VADO quality is not as great as people say.....the edit functions are terrible not allowing you to import video you recorded back into the program. Support is NOWHERE to be found at all, I personally have waited two days for an email back and there is no phone number at all.
Finally you need to purchase additional MUVEE software to edit your clips but again there are no added features and no importing of your material once you save.....if they get any support I would try the product. I am technical and i cant figure it out so until then pass on this item
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