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May 2, 2008 12:00 PM PDT

Intel-Nvidia screamer has lots of processors--and fans

by Brooke Crothers
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The first dual G4 PowerPC systems from Apple were all heat sinks and fans. In this tradition, a rarefied Intel Skulltrail-based powerhouse from Thirdwave uses two top-line quad-core QX9775 processors and a bevy of Nvidia GPUs--and plenty of fans.

The real estate in Thirdwave's $12,000 Skulltrail system is taken up mostly by fans and power supplies

The real estate in Thirdwave's $12,000 Skulltrail system is taken up mostly by fans and power supplies

(Credit: Thirdwave Corp.)

The system (photo) in fact looks more like a stand-alone power supply box than a computer. Of course heat dissipation is paramount in enthusiast screamers.

The original Apple dual G4 systems (circa 2001) were a testimony to heat dissipation--and Rube Goldberg. So much heat that the system could quite literally raise the temperature in a small room. (Note: I can testify to this.) And so many fans--as many as nine in the original dual G4 system but less in later G5 versions--that Apple had to quickly release a system redesign to reduce noise (and heat) levels.

Intel's Skulltrail technology is much more advanced of course but fans still occupy a large chunk of real estate.

Skulltrail is a very high-end enthusiast platform based on Intel's 5400 "Seaburg" workstation chipset. The design distinguishes itself with dual CPU sockets that power eight processing cores (two QX9775 chips). Skulltrail also supports the Scalable Link Interface (SLI). The system can be maxed out with two dual-GPU graphics cards from Nvidia (such as the GeForce 9800 GX2) or up to four AMD graphics cards using ATI CrossFireX technology.

System pricing is stratospheric. The "Prime Galleria XS" system from Japan-based Thirdwave is listed at $12,740. The Intel QX9775 processor alone costs $1,499, more than most PCs. And the system uses two of these overclocked to 3.6GHz.

Other specifications: Two Nvidia GeForce 9800 GX2 boards, each housing two graphics processing units (GPUs). Thirdwave lists two Scalable Link Interface (SLI) boards plus one more 9800 GX2.

The system also offers an unusual storage option: one 64GB solid state drive.

Originally posted at Nanotech - The Circuits Blog
Brooke Crothers is a former editor at large at CNET News.com, and has been an editor for the Asian weekly version of the Wall Street Journal. He writes for the CNET Blog Network, and is not a current employee of CNET. Contact him at mbcrothers@gmail.com. Disclosure.
February 4, 2008 8:09 AM PST

Intel's eight-core Skulltrail platform ahead of game

by Rich Brown
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Intel let a variety of tech enthusiast sites run wild with benchmarks today showing off its forthcoming eight-core desktop platform, code-named Skulltrail. You can get eight-core computing already in the form of Apple's Mac Pro or a pair of Intel Xeon 5400 processors, but Skulltrail marks the first eight-core platform we've seen aimed at high-end workstation computing and PC gaming. The Skulltrail motherboard not only supports two CPUs, but it also supports both Nvidia's SLI and ATI's Crossfire multigraphics card standards. The problem is that for all of Skulltrail's power, PC gaming isn't quite ready for it. Also, a better eight-core solution could be right around the corner.

Like all current eight-core machines, Skulltrail relies on two quad-core CPUs plugged into the same motherboard to achieve eight-way computing. The actual Intel D5400XS motherboard and pair of 3.2GHz Intel Core 2 Extreme QX9775 quad-core CPUs required to build a Skulltrail system aren't due to market until "later in Q1," and we have no specific prices or ship dates. Intel has acknowledged that the QX9775 CPU will be more expensive than its current highest-end chip, the $1,100 Core 2 Extreme QX9650.

As a workstation platform, Skulltrail probably makes sense. Some applications will benefit from eight cores of processing power, which should entice production houses and designers that need brute CPU strength. For gamers, Skulltrail is massive overkill, for a few reasons.

Microsoft Flight Simulator X looks nice, but not quite aimed at hard-core PC gamers.

(Credit: Gamespot)

The first is that only one game right now supports eight independent processing threads: Microsoft Flight Simulator X (A demo version of Lost Planet: Extreme Conditions supports eight threads as well, but it's only a demo, and not a full game). To be sure, the flight simulator crowd is passionate, but it's not a large enough niche to justify an entire new CPU platform. The hard-core shooter fans and other PC gamers that make up the bulk of the enthusiast market have no titles out now that will put all eight Skulltrail cores to work. You might see some games that will benefit from the 3.2GHz core CPU speed and Skulltrail's wide 1,600MHz memory bandwidth, but you'll find those same statistics on the quad-core Core 2 Extreme QX9770 chips and the single CPU X48 enthusiast motherboard, both due out from Intel later this quarter as well.

Before we sound like hypocrites, we will readily admit to our support of quad-core CPUs in mainstream desktops, but quad-core doesn't necessarily have broad software support right now. Still, we like it because it's relatively seamless to go from dual-core to quad-core in terms of performance, and increasingly in price and form factor. You can't say the same about eight-core computing when it requires two CPUs, twice the cooling and power, and a larger motherboard and system case.

Finally, consider that Nehalem, Intel's next CPU architecture, due out at the end of this year, has been reported to support eight cores on one distinct CPU. We don't expect a major influx of octo-threaded gaming software between now and then. Even if you're an adamant future-proofer, you wouldn't lose anything by waiting ten or eleven months for a self-contained eight-core CPU, rather than rely on a cumbersome dual-chip monster.

Intel makes the argument that Skulltrail is upgradeable, and thus if you don't need eight cores now, you can always just populate a single CPU slot and leave the other empty until you need it. Further, Intel also hinted to us at CES that the Skulltrail board could support an eight-core chip in a single slot, meaning 16-core processing might be possible. If Skulltrail really will be that flexible, power gamers might reasonably consider it as a growth platform. But game developers are loathe to add extra, potentially unused support for even quad-core CPUs to their titles. By the time eight-core gaming truly does go mainstream, we have a feeling the technical specifications of even this forward-looking platform might need updating.

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