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April 10, 2009 4:00 PM PDT

Conficker also installs fake antivirus software

by Elinor Mills

Researchers have discovered another feature of the Conficker worm that provides an additional clue about the intent of the creators--the worm installs malware that masquerades as antivirus software, Trend Micro said on Friday.

The worm, which has infected millions of Windows-based computers on the Internet, is downloading a program called Spyware Protect 2009 and displaying warning messages saying that the computer is infected and offering to clean it up for $49.95, according to the Trend Micro blog.

If you see this pop-up message, chances are your computer is infected with Conficker. The latest feature of the widespread worm is that it installs fake antivirus software on infected machines.

(Credit: Trend Micro)

The infection alerts repeatedly appear and experts are worried that people may be clicking on them and paying for the software just to be rid of the annoying messages, thereby handing thieves their credit card information.

The fake antivirus program also attempts to install a Trojan downloader that is programmed to download new versions of Spyware Protect 2009, according to Kasperky Lab's blog. However, the domain the Trojan downloader was being accessed from has been shut down, the blog said.

The fake antivirus feature further bolsters the speculation that the motivation behind the worm is to make money and not a desire to disrupt computer or network operations.

Researchers were still analyzing new component code of the worm that began being spread via peer-to-peer and being downloaded off domains that host the Waledec worm on Wednesday but were finding the task difficult because the instructions are encrypted.

The worm spreads via a hole in Windows that Microsoft patched in October, as well as through removable storage devices and network shares with weak passwords. The worm disables security software and blocks access to security Web sites.

Despite all the news the worm has made, many computers still remain unpatched, Sophos said. Of the number of people who have used Sophos' free endpoint assessment test to check the security risk of a network since the beginning of the year, 11 percent did not have the Microsoft patch installed, according to Graham Cluley's blog at Sophos.

For the month of March, 10 percent of all of the people who used the Sophos assessment tool were missing the patch, he said. The company did not divulge exactly how many people had used the tool and Cluley said the statistics cannot be extrapolated to represent the number of unpatched systems on the Internet.

In an indication of infection rates, IBM's Internet Security Systems group released statistics that show that the number of unique IPs infected with Conficker.C is increasing slightly.

Based on infections seen through monitoring devices in its IBM ISS' Managed Security Services, the number has grown from just over 64,000 on April 2 to more than 71,000 on April 8, according to the unit's Frequency X blog.

"We've seen around 11 percent more unique IPs in the past few days in comparison to a week ago," the blog said, also adding that the number doesn't necessarily indicate the scope of worldwide Conficker infection.

Nearly 60 percent of the infections monitored by IBM ISS are in Asia, followed by 18 percent each in Europe and South America, and 4 percent in North America, the statistics show. By country, China leads with 16.6 percent, followed by Brazil at 10.8 percent, Russia at 10.2 percent and Korea at 4.6 percent, according to ISS.

To check if your computer is infected you can use this Conficker Eye Chart or this site at the University of Bonn. There is also a Conficker removal guide on CNET's Download.com site.

Elinor Mills covers Internet security and privacy. She joined CNET News in 2005 after working as a foreign correspondent for Reuters in Portugal and writing for The Industry Standard, the IDG News Service, and the Associated Press. E-mail Elinor.
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by PacGamer April 10, 2009 4:44 PM PDT
I love how the makers of the fake AV software don't use correct English: "Windows reports that computer is infected...Click here for the scan you computer." The problem is, many computer users don't realize that this is fake or recognize the bad grammar. That's how these things get spread massively.
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by kcotham April 10, 2009 8:26 PM PDT
Bad grammar is usually a dead give-away (thank God for the fact that half of these things come for people that don't speak English). But since Windows is, itself, rife with bad grammar most people will not notice. Heck most people never read the text in warnings anyway.
by paulsecic April 11, 2009 9:43 AM PDT
Why can't Microsoft can't get anything right?
by XiroMisho April 12, 2009 4:16 AM PDT
" by paulsecic April 11, 2009 9:43 AM PDT
Why can't Microsoft can't get anything right?"

I have a question for you - are you under the delusion that Apple does get it "right" This is only an issue on Windows XP - VISTA is safe, and also... MICROSOFT PATCHED THE FLAW IN OCTOBER!!! It's not MS's fault that it's users do not update the product.

I'm not standing up for them, because I hate a lot of what MS does, but a virus outbreak isn't their fault, and they have done everything they can to stop it's spread.
by Dalkorian April 13, 2009 11:58 AM PDT
by XiroMisho April 12, 2009 4:16 AM PDT
This is only an issue on Windows XP - VISTA is safe, and also...

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Where does this lie keep coming from? Fista isn't any safer than XP regarding Conficker, otherwise it wouldn't be included in the patch! Look over the affected systems that MS08-067 patches and explain why fista is included if it's so "safe". Try to avoid any M$ spin arguments, please.
by AlanHub April 13, 2009 6:13 PM PDT
why do these arguments always devolve into MS vs Apple debates, ITS ABOUT HOW A WORM SOMEONE not affiliated with either company created may destroy the virtual world. SHUT IT. ESP Paul for instigating this.
by SNOOP_ROCA April 13, 2009 7:30 PM PDT
WOW, SOMEHOW and SOMEWAY no matter WHAT article you read, SOMEONE turns it into an Apple vs. Microsoft argument! Everyone, let's thank Paulsecic and XiroMisho for turning this informative article into an argument. I HATE FANBOYS, ALL OF THEM!!!!
by et1swret May 3, 2009 9:01 PM PDT
"by XiroMisho April 12, 2009 4:16 AM PDT
" by paulsecic April 11, 2009 9:43 AM PDT
Why can't Microsoft can't get anything right?"

I have a question for you - are you under the delusion that Apple does get it "right" This is only an issue on Windows XP - VISTA is safe, and also... MICROSOFT PATCHED THE FLAW IN OCTOBER!!! It's not MS's fault that it's users do not update the product.

I'm not standing up for them, because I hate a lot of what MS does, but a virus outbreak isn't their fault, and they have done everything they can to stop it's spread."


Obviously you aren't educated enough to realize there are many more OS's available than Apple's Mac OS and MS's Windows. Assuming that paulsecic is talking about an Apple to Windows comparison is ludicrous.

To answer paulsecic's question "Why can't Windows get anything right?", it really isn't a matter of getting it right or wrong. Computers and operating systems are programmed by people, who aren't perfect. There happens to be other people out there who can find the open holes in the system and exploit those weaknesses. Since MS Windows is so widely used, and remains to be the OS of choice by most of the computer users on the globe, the exploits are mainly aimed at Windows. If another OS was as popular, the parasites would exploit that one. There is no OS that "has it right" but there are those that attempt to thwart most attacks better than others.
by wahoospa April 10, 2009 4:58 PM PDT
Whenever I see anything like this, be it Anti-Virus 2009, or Spyware Protect 2009, or any other program pertaining to virus or spyware protection on my deaktop, I don't do a thing except press my power button on my computer and turn it off and never go to that place again. That way it does not install and I can put up with the disk check MS does after I reboot. Thanks but I have all the protection I need and I certainly don't want what they have.
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by jag0 April 10, 2009 5:16 PM PDT
If that's all you do, then you might as well just install the fake spyware/antivirus apps then b/c without proper & preventative protection you are just playing russian roulette.
by ZetaZeta_ April 12, 2009 4:11 PM PDT
If you see it then it's already installed.
by DMBoricua April 13, 2009 2:42 PM PDT
Hehe thats actually pretty good but you might want to consider a good trusted antivirus like AVG or Avast! for atleast SOME protection, and protection you trust. Those two antiviruses I mentioned each have their own great protection points, like AVG scanning web pages in real time for any active threats lurking on there, and Avast! having On-Access Protection Control that scans everything you do in real time such as reading data off of portable memory devices you may have plugged on your PC, and also if you visit a bad webpage Avast! will quickly stop the operation. So yeah, you might want to consider getting either one of those two great protection software.
by TelecomPhil April 10, 2009 5:01 PM PDT
Yes PacGamer, you are correct.

Some people just don't think or check it out first before they do things.
Same with the junk friends send me that I have to check out and then find its another scam.
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by Clarious April 10, 2009 5:16 PM PDT
Most computers that were infected are from third world countries where piracy rate is high. I don't think they will ever want to pay for this 'AV'.

But hey, at least this will reduce the piracy rate (or so I hope).
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by Lerianis3 April 11, 2009 12:48 AM PDT
Why would this decrease the piracy rate? Fact is, even PIRATED copies of WIndows get all the security updates, and it is very easy to download a crack that will make Windows look 'genuine' (Using those myself on two of my computers that have Vista installed, which had LEGAL copies of Vista before I had to do an upgrade re-install) and get all the rest.

Microsoft simply needs to realize (as do other companies) that they are NEVER EVER EVER EVER EVER going to stop piracy....... until they start charging a REASONABLE AMOUNT for their products.
by monkeyfun14 April 11, 2009 9:26 PM PDT
@lerianis

Even if they did charge a reasonable amount people would still do it.

People pirate $5 apps
by XiroMisho April 12, 2009 4:37 AM PDT
" @lerianis

Even if they did charge a reasonable amount people would still do it.

People pirate $5 apps
"

a very good point - MS doesn't charge that much btw - it's 139 for XP Pro, that's been the cost of the software for a while, and for home, if you're buying OEM (if you buy retail box, I only need ask...WHY?), is roughly the same, slightly more because of more features.

Heck, OSX 10.4 is $129 bucks, and that's just the service pack for OSX 10.3 (to all the poor people who have 10.0,1,2,3 anyway... feel worse for that guy who has 10.1, then got 2, then got 3, and now got four... dang.)
by Dalkorian April 13, 2009 12:19 PM PDT
@XiroMisho: Ignorance is never a good place to base an argument from. Those versions of OS X are separate versions, like winblows 3.1, winblows 95, winblows 98, winblows xp ... the "service pack" upgrades you mention are within those families. For example, my work machine is currently running OSX 10.5.6, meaning 6 "service pack" upgrades to the 10.5 family.

Each of these "families" are based on the same design, the "Aqua" interface on top of Darwin (a derivative of OpenBSD), but include different feature sets. That is simplifying things pretty drastically, but the premise holds. Expose and FileVault came with 10.3, Automator and Dashboard came with 10.4, Spaces and TimeMachine came with 10.5.

I feel for the poor suckers who paid for 3.1, then 95, then 98, then ME, then 2000, then XP ... only to get raked over the coals for fista and then this new "fista sp3 - AKA w7" garbage. How many of those "changes" were actually nothing more than service pack improvements over the previous versions? Hint: 98 was nothing more than 95 with some of the more critical bugs removed, ME is knows as being nothing but a repackaged 98 with more bugs *INTRODUCED*, XP was eye-candy on top of 2000. To make matters worse, M$ introduced WGA - meaning upgrading winblows actually give you a MORE LIMITED system than what you started with, now including a kill switch that's under M$'s full control. I guess since you were stupid enough to by winblows to begin with, it proves to them that you can't be trusted to control you own computer, so they include this kill switch to keep you under their control.
by blafouille April 10, 2009 5:28 PM PDT
The only warning has to come from the dependable software in charge,Always look into this one and ask for threats...simple,Nothing else have to give any warning,.
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by ceb23ec April 10, 2009 5:55 PM PDT
my wife's computer at work got this exact Conficker pop up...even if they have Norton AVS. beware people, not to open unknown sites.
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by gggg sssss April 10, 2009 6:02 PM PDT
norton corporate has let in more crap than ever this week. And we are PAYING for this?
by superthings April 10, 2009 7:52 PM PDT
Here is what I want to know, if someone can tell me.
My last computer 2 weeks ago got a virus and only was 1/2 fixed by Avira and I could not open IE, so I put my old/new HP online.
I ran MSwindows update but it did not offer the conflicker patch.
I looked at my past updates and nothing, actually there were about 4 other patches that were not recommened in the AutoUpdate which I read about when downloading the conflicker patch.

Why is that, it boogles my mind to think that it may my somehow attached to my IP
It should of scanned and said YOU NEED THE CONFLICKER PATCH YOU DON'T HAVE IT.

I am so pissed I had to do this all manually. What a waste of time and research. The only other thing I can think of is that when I downloaded Service Pack 3 it already has the patch which in that case, I have redownloaded it and installed it. But when I ran it and the system said "INSPECTING" it should have said, YOU ALREADY HAVE RUN THIS PATCH

Also any patches I download from the list show up in my Add/Remove but not on my Automatic Update history on MS website. This is so confusing and makes me irrate beyond believe.

Gosh, I love the internet, but this OS and actually my hardware is making me think of retiring my systems and getting a dog and the newpaper and a short wave radio.
I might just do that, I think the novelty is wearing off because of all the crap.

I talk to people who I never meet, I research stuff I quickly forget, I play games that stop me from doing chores. I think I've saturated myself for long enough and hackers and MS's lack of care for it's OS is just getting to me.

There's no such thing as anonymity anymore. My life is now a stamp with an IP address and that's just not about where I live. I think my virtual world must be unpluged. My real world needs work.

I just don't need the Fear mongering anymore.
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by kcotham April 10, 2009 8:28 PM PDT
Buy a Macintosh my friend.
by blafouille April 11, 2009 8:12 AM PDT
Install linux for free not mac...
by odubtaig April 11, 2009 12:28 PM PDT
Conficker is the name of the malware, not the patch. The patch itself is called MS08-067. If Windows Update says you have all patches, you are patched.

Conficker Worm: Help Protect Windows from Conficker
http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/security/dd452420.aspx

Microsoft Security Bulletin MS08-067 ? Critical
Vulnerability in Server Service Could Allow Remote Code Execution (958644)
http://www.microsoft.com/technet/security/Bulletin/MS08-067.mspx
by odubtaig April 11, 2009 12:31 PM PDT
Oh, inconsistent character sets. That should be:

Microsoft Security Bulletin MS08-067 - Critical
by kcotham April 11, 2009 1:59 PM PDT
@blafouille
Linux is a good alternative to Windows, until it's time to upgrade machines. Then, I highly recommend a Macintosh to most people. This guy "superthings" obviously wants a safe and trouble-free computing experience. Linux will be safe and trouble-free, only if it's configured properly from the get go and he makes no major changes to it. Just installing new software is a huge problem for most new users with Linux, depending on the distro used. I only recommend Linux to people that have an intermediate to advanced knowledge of computers OR they won't be installing software and modifying the OS. I don't like being "tech support" to my friends and family. But if you feel like taking on "superthings" as a client, then by all means do so. At least he won't have to worry about conficker anymore with Windows! Poor guy sounds like he's ready to eschew all technology!!
by Dalkorian April 13, 2009 12:39 PM PDT
by superthings April 10, 2009 7:52 PM PDT
Why is that, it boogles my mind to think that it may my somehow attached to my IP
It should of scanned and said YOU NEED THE CONFLICKER PATCH YOU DON'T HAVE IT.

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I'm confident that I can reassure you they wouldn't attach the presence of the patch to the IP itself in the way you describe. Think of how that wouldn't work in a corporate environment, where many machines run through a NATing router and appear to have only one IP on the public side. M$ can be pretty brain dead at times, but not this brain dead.

As others have mentioned, it's MS08-067 you want. I don't think it would have been rolled into SP3 because I think SP3 came out before that patch, but I could be wrong about that. The patch MS08-067 came out in October 2008, I think SP3 predates that by a few months at least. You'll have to patrol M$'s KB articles (Knowledge Base) to figure out how to determine if that particular patch is installed or not.

Something to consider if you have unused hard drive space is to partition that for a Linux install (Ubuntu is pretty easy to deal with in general, though there are many others to choose from). You'll end up with what's called a "dual-boot" machine, where you can still boot winblows when you desire to feel the whips and chains of M$ controlling you but have the freedom to try Linux when security is of utmost importance.
by kcotham April 10, 2009 8:23 PM PDT
Do the progenitors of these viruses ever get caught and punished, appropriately? What kind of lowlife does something like this? Or am I answering my own question?
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by Lerianis3 April 11, 2009 12:50 AM PDT
Actually, most of these people are not seem as 'lowlifes' in the countries where they live. They are seen as the 'homeboys making good, scamming the rich evil Americans out of money!"
Not kidding here, CNet had a video on here saying that is how they are viewed.
by kcotham April 11, 2009 1:41 PM PDT
So stealing is seen as okay, as long as they're stealing from Americans? Sad, just sad.
by XiroMisho April 12, 2009 5:44 AM PDT
Robin Hood - Steal from the Rich, give to the poor... if you live in America (even today) face it - compared to some 3rd world countries where they are fixing their home with mud and straw because they actually have nothing... even American's who just have a fancy double wide trailer and electricity would be considered rich to these people.
by kcotham April 12, 2009 3:50 PM PDT
@XiroMisho
Still, it's unethical, immoral, and flat out illegal to steal. I am very sympathetic, and these days even empathetic, to their plight. But stealing is not the answer. They are criminals and should be punished accordingly.

If they have all this know-how and energy to engage in illegal activity, they have energy to do something constructive. Crime is only a short term fix, a personal fix. It does nothing to improve their society, for the long term. It's a sign of weakness of character.
by ZetaZeta_ April 12, 2009 4:16 PM PDT
Yeah, after serving jailtime, they start security firms and make millions.
by ferretboy88 April 12, 2009 7:58 PM PDT
I'm an American who works 7 days a week running my business. I had to save for years to afford to start my business. I don't owe anyone from other countries anything. They can bit my back end. They can stick Robin Hood up where the sun doesn't shine. Why do you think some people are well off? Because of hard work. Sorry if your country doesn't have a free open system. Swim out of Cuba and come here.
by Ilgaz April 10, 2009 8:24 PM PDT
Nice graphics though... Hell, trojan developers now even hires graphics artists?
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by kcotham April 10, 2009 8:30 PM PDT
It's really easy to fake stuff like this when users are already used to a very inconsistent UI.
by derilium April 10, 2009 11:06 PM PDT
The rogue software has pretty nice graphics form the screenshot. However, with a little photoshop experience and a bit of motivation, anyone can do it.
by Lerianis3 April 11, 2009 12:52 AM PDT
Eh.... this isn't really 'designed well'. All of these 'bubbles and bright colors' would tell me that something was wrong with this thing, because NO legitimate thing has all these bright colors.

Really, people just need to upgrade to Vista and Windows 7 (when it comes out later this year). They have protections that would have stopped Conflicker in it's TRACKS, before it even got started.
by executorvs April 11, 2009 1:34 AM PDT
Lerianis3 you do realise vista did in fact fall prey to this don't you? it's why it's a problem. it's also why I run linux and have antivir, spybot, and comodo installed on my parent's win machines. if windows built a secure system I wouldn't need third party anti-spyware, anti-virus, and firewall programs to keep it functional.
my personal recommendation is to take an afternoon and dual-boot your machine with a small non-windows OS of some sort, so when windows goes down you won't.
by pentest April 11, 2009 9:35 AM PDT
"It's really easy to fake stuff like this when users are already used to a very inconsistent UI."

Yup, windows delivers that in spades.

Lerianis, Vista and 7 can and do have Conficker. Even a patched system can get infected if the delivery vector is changed. The patches don't stop it from running, just block the infection vectors. New ones are constantly being found.
by palex9 April 11, 2009 6:14 AM PDT
Some rogue hacker control millions of computers and our government seemingly does NOTHING?! I cant believe that the NSA & Co. are so incompetent as not coming up with a way to eliminate a potential threat to national security. How about a counter-worm that seeks out conticker and destroys it? Or finding the hackers behind the whole thing (everybody leave tracks, just a matter of willpower to find them), wherever they may be ..... you can run, but you cant hide! but i believe that this situation is no different from how we as a nation deal with the mafia. I we REALLY wanted to, don't you think a nation could deal with a couple hundred criminals?
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by pentest April 11, 2009 9:36 AM PDT
That would be just as illegal.

Do you really want the NSA to send out a worm to infect everyone running Windows?
by kcotham April 11, 2009 2:04 PM PDT
I agree with pentest. I don't trust the NSA anymore than I do these hackers. The best solution is to be security conscious and not run Windows of any shape or form. Linux, Solaris, Mac OS, etc., are all better options than Windows. It's a very complicated matter to bring these guys to justice, if and when they are ever caught. They often operate out of countries with lax laws and slap-on-the-wrist punishments. The international community has to be in complete agreement on how to catch and punish cyber-criminals. And when has the international community ever been in total agreement on anything?
by ralfthedog April 13, 2009 8:37 AM PDT
Just a thought, What if the NSA were to create a voluntary open source filter that ISPs can use to prevent the spread of this software?
by Dalkorian April 13, 2009 12:46 PM PDT
Nice sounding idea Ralf, but it's addressing the symptom and not the problem itself. M$08-067 patches this particular problem itself, switching over to a real operating system (Ubuntu, Fedora, OpenBSD, OS X) solves the whole problem.
by martalli April 11, 2009 6:47 AM PDT
I suspect that folks who are using pirated copies of Windows frequently turn off updates, to avoid having their Windows deactivated by Microsoft Update. Of course, this represents a danger to them from Cornficker and friends. However, it also decreases the "herd immunity" of Windows computers and allows Cornficker and friends to spread much more widely.
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by rzpogi April 12, 2009 8:02 AM PDT
Actually you can still get the updates.
Turn automatic updates on(select "Notify me but don't automatically download or install them"). Then don't download Windows Genuine Advantage Notifications or KB905474. Still get all the updates but no way MS know your windows is fake.
by Dalkorian April 13, 2009 12:50 PM PDT
Rzpogi, you've made a dangerous assumption that all people who run pirated versions understand that. I doubt if they do, or even if they do I doubt they *TRUST* that understanding. Remember, WGA was foisted upon users as a critical security update itself, in spite of the fact that it's nothing more than a remote kill switch for M$ to use against their customers!

I guess if you're stupid enough to run winblows to begin with you can't be trusted to run a computer without a remote kill switch in it.
by hc2008 April 11, 2009 7:37 AM PDT
Well, I don't see anything special about confiker. Had a client the other day infected with Alman.b which had the identical symptoms : going to microsoft, viruslist, symantec, would redirect the browser to a site saying you were infected and download this software. In addition, it had completely disabled McAfee Total Protection 2009 (which was up to date) on the machine and AVG detected, but, wouldn't remove it. I finally installed Kaspersky (after downloading on my my macbook and burning to a cd) and it removed it without any trouble.
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by pentest April 11, 2009 9:38 AM PDT
Most high quality malware can reinstall itself even after some third party AV removes it.
by kcotham April 11, 2009 2:06 PM PDT
F-Secure is used by most universities and colleges, it's a fairly effective solution. And does Sophos still provide a free antivirus client?
by ralfthedog April 13, 2009 8:39 AM PDT
GWScan is the best cure.
by blafouille April 11, 2009 8:37 AM PDT
He seems that some virus bypass the protection system of computer more easily with some Os...Everybody want to clean there software I clean the Hardware...!
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by HillaryP April 11, 2009 9:55 AM PDT
I friend of mine did just this, downloaded the fake spyware protection and BOUGHT IT....yikes! By the time I got to her house she had already done this and I am wondering if someone can point me to either a Blog or a forum that could help her with the reprocussions of it: first how to remove the spyware and what to do about giving them her credit card info (other than the obvious of notifying her company and putting a watch on it). I feel partially responsible as this didn't look good to me at all but I wasn't sure how to help her.
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by MD-240Z April 11, 2009 1:02 PM PDT
If you (or anyone) gave these people your credit card number and installed their software you should:

1. Call your credit card company and tell them that the card number has been stolen and you want it cancelled and a new card sent to your address of record.
2. Change every password you have - to your work email, to your bank account, to Amazon, etc. I am sure they have all been compromised.
3. Use software like Kaspersky anti-virus and SuperAntiSpyware to find all the hidden malware. It usually take running several complete scans after rebooting before it has all been cleaned out.
4. Swear an oath to patch your machine on time.
5. Swear an oath not to click on pop up boxes that you don't expect and fully understand.
6. Consider permanently unplugging your computer and renewing your subscription to Readers Digest.
by ralfthedog April 13, 2009 8:46 AM PDT
If you can't write 0s to your hard drive, go to a GOOD local computer technician. Have them pull your hard drive and put it into an external USB enclosure. After they boot a known safe system, have them hot swap in your hard drive. Then have them scan it. Next have them disconnect your HD, boot to a different partition running different AV plug your drive in again and scan. Three cycles of this should leave you reasonably secure.

PS. Follow MD-240Zs advice first. I would start with changing my passwords (on a different computer), then cancel the credit cards.
by superduperuser April 11, 2009 4:23 PM PDT
Probably a diversion. Obviously, suspicion fell on China for this and there is evidence it originated from there. This would be a common sense move from them. Helps spread doubt and kill all criticism.

Might not be. But the above is a consideration.

Intelligence agencies do do these sorts of things and put a great deal of planning into it.

I can see laypeople and even security professionals closing that door, but until you have solid evidence otherwise you really can not do that.
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by MichiganTerri April 12, 2009 5:59 AM PDT
I had to fight off Spyware Protect 2009 on my daughter's computer six weeks ago, and figured out it was part of Conficker. what took the rest of the world so long? Now it's making the rounds at school. I teach computer apps to 7th graders, so it was a great teaching tool -- they all gathered around to see the bad guy in action and see it wiped clean!
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by SenorFrog April 12, 2009 11:26 AM PDT
There's no secure, standard warning system to let users know about these threats. Yes, geeks like us find out, but the average Jane or Joe has no idea about Conficker, how important patching is or how you can get pwned just by visiting a website. Pop-ups occur too often when your system is healthy and safe so most people start ignoring them. It's a difficult problem and I haven't seen any good proposed solutions. Maybe Microsoft, Apple and the Linux community could put their differences aside and come up with a method of keeping the public informed.
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by kcotham April 12, 2009 4:01 PM PDT
It'd be nice to see the different communities work together, a little like the international community working together to find a solution for the piracy in Somalia. But I don't think the problem's ever going to go away.

1. It's mainly Windows that is so susceptible. Until they plug up all the holes, they don't stand a chance of making any progress. The whole model of the operating system is flawed when it comes to security.

2. People have to be educated about security. Until each and every user is security conscious, there will always be a problem

3. Until we make it not worth the effort to write these viruses, there will always be people writing them. If not enough people fall for them, see 2, then it won't be worth the effort.

4. If the punishments are harsh enough, then it won't be worth it, see number 3.

All of these things have to happen (an probably some others I've neglected to put down) before there will be any serious impact on viruses and spam. By the way, the country that is the source of the majority of spam, is the United States. In the mean time, lock down your computers, be security conscious, run Mac OS X or Linux if you can, and be wary!
by ralfthedog April 13, 2009 8:50 AM PDT
The best way to stop this kind of stuff is at the ISP level. packet filters should be run for the top 3 infections.

The long term solution to this problem is genetic diversity. No operating system should have more than 10% of the market.
by ferretboy88 April 12, 2009 8:00 PM PDT
I have 4 windows computers and have zero trouble with viruses for years. I never visit porn sites or go to sites for little kids like myspace or other silly waste of time sites.
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by 50schild April 13, 2009 6:09 AM PDT
I have Vista and Advanced System Care free installed. Nothing has got through, anything that tries gets caught. With Windows 98 it was virus heaven.
There is no need to get infected these days, even visiting dodgy sites. One other thing, use caution with search engines. Google comes up with a lot of bad sites, Lycos and Yahoo are safer.
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by One-Eared Gundark April 13, 2009 9:32 AM PDT
Looks like I'll be getting more repair business coming my way.
When I ship a cleaned PC back to the owner, I always include instructions on how to keep free of viruses and malware. In 100% of the cases I've handled, it is PEBKAC (Problem Exists Between Keyboard And Chair).
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by The_happy_switcher April 13, 2009 11:24 AM PDT
More like MORON sitting between keyboard and chair. You don't need any fancy abbreviations.
by pithenumber April 13, 2009 12:25 PM PDT
@Applerocks
PEBCAK is an inside joke for computer repair guys
its a way to insult the customer without them knowing, so yes, we do need fancy abbreviations
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