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December 10, 2008 11:11 AM PST

Coldplay, Satriani, and...Gunther?

by Matt Rosoff
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Correction: "He's So Fine" was by The Chiffons, not The Supremes as I originally wrote.

(Credit: Gunthernet)

I hate audio plagiarism lawsuits--there are only 12 notes, and only so many ways to combine them--but the law has come down time and time again on the side of the plaintiffs. George Harrison was forced to pay damages for "unintentionally" ripping off "He's So Fine" by The Chiffons. Ironically, Harrison's manager at that time, Allen Klein, later sued The Verve when "Bittersweet Symphony" oversampled an orchestral arrangement of the Rolling Stones' "The Last Time." (Although it wasn't just the sample--Verve singer Richard Ashcroft also lifted the vocal melody more or less directly from that arrangement, as you can hear on this YouTube video. Weirdly, the orchestral arrangement resembles the original song.)

The latest round was fired by Joe Satriani, who's accusing Coldplay's "Viva La Vida" of ripping off his guitar instrumental "If I Could Fly." Again, YouTube has the evidence, and it doesn't sound too good for Coldplay.

But wait? Is it possible that both Satriani and Coldplay got their inspiration from a third source? Ooh la la!

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by December 10, 2008 12:22 PM PST
I'm sorry Mr. Rosoff, but as much as you want to play up the controversy, this one is not even close.

The song by Günther does have the same chord sequence, but that is where the similarities end. The melody is quite different, and it never gives the sensation of being the same song. There are many songs with the same chord sequence, and it has never been considered plagiarism.

The parallelisms between Satriani's song and Coldplay, however, is quite different. It is very close to the case between the Stones and The Verve.
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by MattRosoff December 11, 2008 11:53 AM PST
It's a joke, dude.
by gkeramidas December 10, 2008 12:24 PM PST
chiffons, not supremes
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by Pete Bardo December 10, 2008 1:48 PM PST
Glad someone remembers it right!
by MattRosoff December 11, 2008 11:52 AM PST
D'oh! Corrected.
by myles taylor December 10, 2008 1:37 PM PST
Yea, as said above, they are close in melody, but sound nothing alike. Sounds like someone is jealous. I love Viva La Vida, but that electric guitar just sounds crappy in that melody.
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by AppleSuxLeo December 10, 2008 4:55 PM PST
Malmsteen ! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aS_IYe5JTZ4
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by 4schler December 10, 2008 5:30 PM PST
Hah!

I get it, Matt.

thanks for sharing.
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by December 10, 2008 5:46 PM PST
How about going back to 1973 and Cat Stevens:

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=uUXda-RTE_c#t=3m18s

That seems a lot closer.

There are a bunch of other examples as well.

Plus, what most people are ignoring is that video showing Satriani matched up with Coldplay has *both* songs adjusted to match up. Neither one is as originally played. Whoever put that video together changed the tempo/keys of both songs to match them up. In reality, they're not nearly as close.
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by sstendhal December 11, 2008 4:18 AM PST
Besides, Gunther's song came out in 2006, Satriani's song came out in 2004.
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by daveturnley December 11, 2008 6:33 AM PST
I'm volunteering to arbitrate this matter: Joe Satriani agrees to drop the lawsuit if Chris Martin grows Gunther's mustache.
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by hordeslocusts December 12, 2008 1:16 AM PST
Alizee had the rhythm one year (2003) before Satriani can claim it (2004). --- http://youtube.com/watch?v=240S04eCCC0 --- and Los Enanitos Verdes, a popular Argentina rock band, had the guitar verse two years (2002) before Satriani can claim it (2004). --- http://youtube.com/watch?v=G57CgtX-BsI --- >>>CNET, put the video comparison of Los Enanitos Verdes versus Satriani, you'll be the first site to do it. It's being mentioned a lot on various forums. Some news sites are already starting to mention Alizee's song being before Satriani's.
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by sstendhal December 12, 2008 7:43 AM PST
The "Frances Limon" song by Los Enanitos Verdes sounds like Marty Balin's hearts & "La Belle Dame Sans Regrets" by Sting
by hordeslocusts December 13, 2008 8:26 AM PST
Here's an updated comparison with the original 'Frances Limon' song recording.

Joe Satriani [2004] vs Los Enanitos Verdes [2002]:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=KLt_Hu8bHFc
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by herocious February 4, 2009 11:37 AM PST
Satriani's case is ridiculous. Tons of songs use this melody, some that are decades older. You can hear several examples here:
<a href="http://theopenend.com/2009/01/31/coldplay-vs-joe-satriani-who-owns-the-descending-melody/">Coldplay vs. Joe Satriani:: Who Owns the Descending Melody?</a>
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by BrianFlora8 February 10, 2009 1:04 AM PST
You obviously don't know much about music. Yes, there are 12 notes according to music that follows our westernized music theory, but there are an infinite amount of ways of playing those notes. For example, phrasing, tempo, feel, placement in a key of said notes, etc. Music, as sad as it may sound, is a commodity. When an artist publishes a piece of music with their music publisher (which includes all uses of a song, to cd, sheet music, lyric sheets, etc), they and their publisher have the right to claim ownership to a song. Yes, there is a fair use clause on small bits of a song being copied as well as other uses, but an entire song should be respected just as we do to a work in a book or painting. What would you say if someone copied half the chapters from a Stephen King book, and simply changed some of the wording around ? Or someone repainted the Mona Lisa and claimed it to be their own original work ? This is what many people fail to understand about the rights of copyrighted music. This song in question, certainly sounds strongly similar to Satriani's, and I like and love both of these artists. If I need to leave a note for credibility of what I've said here, then I will. I am a recent graduate with a Bachelors in Music Industry/Recording Technology.
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by jonrobertquinn June 12, 2009 2:12 PM PDT
Actually, the song Satriani is going after Coldplay for was actually written in 1995. The song has a strong meaning for Satriani as it was written for the passing of a family member. When I first heard the song, I couldn't believe Coldplay would use the melody so freely. If it was your song that has your blood, sweat and tears in, you would think differently.
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