Are Apple's ads really better than Microsoft's?
As Apple celebrated, Microsoft canceled the company picnic.
As Apple announced results that beat expectations, Microsoft had its first ever year-over-year dip in sales .
As Apple announced a billion app downloads, Microsoft gritted its molars with a view to finally shaking a little of the smugness from Apple's chops.
So you might be wondering, as you sip your weekend cocktail and ponder why the NBA playoffs are even longer than the regular season, just how much each company's advertising might have contributed to these slightly diverse results.
In recent weeks, Microsoft has turned to a strategy of death by a thousand cuts (or, well, at least two) on the Apple brand. Macs are expensive. They're cool for drooling fools. Oh, and did we mention they're expensive?
While Apple has kept on steadily associating Microsoft with turgid, virus-infested slop made by the poorly dressed and pitiful.
But the difference between Apple and Microsoft advertising--and their brands--can only be told partially through these campaigns. The John Hodgman/Justin Long nipple-tweaking campaign is merely a portion of Apple's advertising. It doesn't define the brand. It enhances one aspect of it.
On the other hand, because Microsoft's "Laptop Hunter" campaign is aggressive and timely, it could become the only advertising output by which the brand is defined: We're cheaper, we're angry, and we're just not going to take it any more.
Microsoft unfortunately abdicated from giving its brand lasting positive emotional values when it walked away from the potentially forward-thinking and moving "Where Do You Want To Go Today?" campaign in 1996.
For reasons many, varied, and probably political, the company never found a campaign to better it. Advertising came and went. Consistency was non-existent. Contrast that with even the Hodgman/Long ads--they maintain the clean white backdrop enjoyed by so many other Apple ads. Whatever they say, they say Apple immediately.
If you asked anyone in the wider beyond to tell you about just one striking piece of Microsoft brand advertising in the last 13 years, you might find them looking as if they're trying to recall the name of their twelfth one-night stand.
In fact, the most memorable and, in my view, brilliant effort since then, was the second Seinfeld and Gates ad. Again, Microsoft walked away far too quickly.
In that same period, the Apple brand seems to have gained a strength that not everyone might have predicted. But how much is simply down to Apple's advertising?
It depends what you call advertising. Apple's whole culture is built around the understanding that its very best advertising isn't TV spots or print ads. It's the products.
Apple products are seen far more often than any of the company's ads. They can be admired, touched, played, and stroked. And the majority are visually striking.
The majority of Microsoft's products don't enjoy the same quality of exposure. And certainly not the same quality of design. Which means the onus on Microsoft's advertising should be to create far more drama and positive emotion around the brand. It hasn't happened.
The onus on Apple's advertising is largely to say: "Look at this. Isn't it cute? And cool. Apple? Of course, it's Apple. Who else did you think it was? Toshiba?"
Many of Apple's ads are nothing more than simple product demonstrations. Beautifully executed, celebrating their own simplicity, with often superbly chosen music. But still simple product demonstrations.
As different products are launched, each ad adds to the style and simplicity of the whole brand. And the values that Apple embraces--simplicity and style being just two--are ones that last through time. They matter to the customer.
It is difficult to name two Microsoft campaigns that actually built on each other. It is difficult to name two Microsoft campaigns that even reflected the same spirit, the same ethos, the same sense of a defined brand.
In fact, when Microsoft has been involved with brilliant pieces of work--such as this example for XBox (and, yes, I know this one was banned)- the viewer would be hard-pressed to feel that XBox is anything to do with Microsoft at all. There isn't even a Microsoft logo anywhere near it.
Can one imagine Apple launching any product, in any category, without its advertising identifying it, tonally and visually, as being an Apple product?
In the end, Microsoft, a brand that has considerable strength in the marketplace, seems to have become something of a diffused, defused blur in projecting its image. Microsoft built a business machine. But its brand advertising became like your demented auntie at Christmas: there, but not there.
Perhaps Windows 7 will be launched with a campaign that will lift the spirits and entice the parts that Microsoft advertising has mostly failed to reach for quite some time. Perhaps.
However, somewhere, somehow, the potential strengths of the Microsoft brand have not been projected by advertising. There seems to have been no consistent strategy, no sense, even, of what emotional values the brand should represent.
And now a company that has such a large market share is playing image catch-up. Which is really quite odd.
Chris Matyszczyk is an award-winning creative director who advises major corporations on content creation and marketing. He brings an irreverent, sarcastic, and sometimes ironic voice to the tech world. He is a member of the CNET Blog Network and is not an employee of CNET. 




but some of Apple's ads are Funny at least
Windows is for people with high levels of patience
or others who r just ignorant of the alternatives
Switching to a Mac has definitely improved my health
all I can say is just make the switch there's always bootcamp as a insurance policy
To me this reflects the very nature of both companies, I imagine Microsoft full of chaos, too many employees with too many conflicting ideas ... (reminds me when I used to work for AT&T Bell Labs) and Apple with just the right amount of workforce, all moving in one direction in harmony.
Just by looking at the CEOs of each of these companies you can see which one is a crazy moron and which one is the real deal. I am not going to point out which one is the moron ... but if you do not know .. just watch this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y89wBYVHkY4
I agree that the iPhone iPod touch ads are awesome!
Microsoft is synonymous with Office and Windows.
Look at these 2 products.
They are both bloated, and virus friendly.
People begrudgingly use these products for one reason or another. such as their employer forces them to use Windows and Office or a customer wants to use a program that only runs on Windows. The biggest one is that Windows comes when you buy a new PC.
So when it comes to choice, people like to choose style when they are not being forced to use something they don't like.
Microsoft not using their name with Zune and Xbox, is a good thing. Because all that Microsoft baggage would only be appended to these products if the name Microsoft is used.
The small device market is huge and Apple have more going for them in that paradigm than big fat Microbloat.
And what? A Mac doesn't come with OS X pre-installed on it?
At least on a PC you can install Linux/Ubuntu instead, if you like.
This concept of Apple being stylish while a PC isn't is incorrect. There are several companies that have beautiful laptops, which don't fall short from any "stylish" Apple PC.
I'm happy to say that in the PC world there are much more choices than in the Mac world. Different companies, verity of OSes, etc. Same for MP3 players and cell phones. Just look around and see.
Apple's advertisements seem to be more effective than MS, but this is due to the fact that MS is a software company in regard to the PC world. Apple is a software AND hardware provider. MS fault was that it got into the hardware "war", when it doesn't manufacture the PC hardware. But you can understand why it supports the hardware that runs their software...
Every mac can have any os installed on it. PCs cannot have OS X on it. There are also several stylish laptops, dell adamo, but when compared to macs they fall short on their power capabilities. Macs are beautiful, powerful, and fun machines.
People don't want linux this is proven.
Did Microsoft hold a gun to anyones head and forced them to go Windows over Mac? No.
Unless the work place makes up 90% of the computer population now.
Could you imagine the uproar if Microsoft denied Macintosh computers the ability to install Windows?
You're completely right. There's a reason that Macs work "better" than Windows. OSX only has to be supported on four or five different machines. Windows and Linux support hundreds or thousands. Congrats to Microsoft for making an OS that runs well and works on so many configurations. They've got the much harder job, and by fair comparison, they've done much better.
when I Buy a Computer I'm not looking to congratulate a Company for making something run well on many configs
All I care is if it runs well on my config and it does so with little problems !
and I think most people are the same !
The reason MS choose to be compatible with everything was to prevent competition !
think about it for a second ! Yes it has benefited the customers but has done so at the cost of zero Competition !
Hardware sells software not the other way around !
PC's don't run mac osx because apple refuses to allow any other computer maker to install it, but otherwise, a dell could run osx without any issues.
the dell adamo also defeats it's competitor: the macbook air.... adamo definitely has the edge on performance and it looks good too. i still wouldn't buy one though, rather have a proper 15 inch laptop.
(just clarifying these 2 points, the rest isn't directed to u. lol.)
Plenty of other companies will beat apple on desktop and laptop performance, some even leave apple miles and miles behind, however, Apple still finds ways to charm its customers and that's one of the thinks that makes it a good/successful company. What i think is that the competition between Mac and PC has just become quite ridiculous. I'm all for healthy rivalry between companies, nothing else could get us better products faster (aka Leopard and Windows 7, which i think are both pretty ******* good), the only problem is that now you see people pointing fingers at other people for their choice of OS while at the same time using biased arguments to butcher the competing products. I say computer users should admire the competition's innovations and look forward to what their choice company will come up with to strike back. It's a more exciting way to deal with these things.
do you really belive that the adamo will outperform the macbook air ?
you might want to read some reviews or check some specs !
the macbook not only has a faster processor but a faster video card as well
and as a ultraportable the Adamo fails hard because of the low battery life of 2 hrs
compared that to 5 hrs for the macbook air !
seriously comparing the Adamo to the Macbook air is a insult
it worse in every way possible and get this it's more expensive !
and as far as performance goes specs are not everything
OSX is better designed and optimised operating system
it does wonders with even modest specs
instead of talking the talk
How about you find me a notebook similar to the 999$ macbook
with similar performance {vista needs better specs} and 5 hrs of batterylife
I agree that certain products don't get you the best perfrmance for the price
but almost always they are better built come with a better operating system than the comparing Pcs
and will also fetch you a decent resale price
which is the reason for everyone's Mac loyalty even in these times !
Most people I know find them to be more positive, whereas Apple's "I'm a Mac" ad's seem to them to be more political campaign's, picking at what's wrong with the opponent while not saying what's right with you.
The Mac ad's are instantly recognizable but after however many year's they've been running I've not known anyone buy a Mac, so as advert's to sell a product they don't seem to be working, at least for most of my friends and family member's.
Nicely stated. I couldn't agree with you more. As a systems analyst, over the course of the past 17 years I've seen and been through it all. At one point, I was a huge Microsoft advocate. As a proponent of the world's number one software developer, I had my hands in everything Microsoft. Whether it was networking, software development, PC building, beta testing, et al., I was all over it.
Now, as I've turned the page to another chapter in my life, I look back at my accomplishments with regard to the MS-Verse and shake my head with disappointment. I don't consider myself a Microsoft basher but it's difficult to make an unbiased statement about the company when you see the history associated with it.
I think my first real wake up call was back when Microsoft forced Citrix into an agreement that either put the Terminal Service styled company out of business or had them paying huge royalties on NT 4.0 licenses. Of course, this is just one example of many extortion style business practices that Microsoft has conducted over the years. In any case, it definitely leaves a bad taste in my mouth.
With regard to Apple, I for one didn't buy my first Apple product based on a wildly successful ad campaign. I bought it based on insight and experience. While I do appreciate Apple's aesthetic designs in their products, I'm not a big form over function kind of guy. I was enticed by the fact that Mac OSX is based on the UNIX kernel. For those of us who have done any kind of research or has any kind of experience in the contrasted differences between the Windows kernel and the UNIX kernel, would know that one was designed from the ground up with security in mind and the other simply is not.
While Microsoft can go on doting about the security in Vista and Windows 7, there's a clear delineation between the two OSes. The fact that Microsoft's virus issues is a direct result of them merging the web browser with the OS as a means of taking out Netscape Navigator -way back when, it's funny to say the least (and people wonder how worms are able to tunnel through Microsoft's defenses - whuh?). For those of us in the IT industry, the weekly patches to our servers and workstations is an absolute necessity, but somehow it feels like a cruel joke.
On a final note, I revel in the fact that Apple is a supporter of the Open Source Community. The fact that Microsoft continually snubs Open Source projects as a means of protecting the vested interest of their business bottom line (their model after all is based on software development), speaks volumes about the company.
Suffice to say, "Apple...didn't win me as much as Microsoft lost me."
Do Macs come with spell check?
And appleuser56 apart from not using a spell checker, you went through all that effort just to tell me your 'company' (I'm assuming Apple) bought Macs? Which I never stated they were crappy for company use, just I don't think their ads are massively effective.
My main Mac exposure is through some of my Uni work, and they don't give a good impression, they have difficulty logging on, hit n miss on reading external drives (they even corrupted my portable drive once) and I see the rainbow ball more time's than my productivity would like. Mac's are also appalling for dual screen use. I understand some issue's could be through bad technicians but the Fedora n Window's labs run pretty well (well the XP machines are pretty long in the tooth I suppose)
That was a confusing comment. The only Apple ads I remember seeing were merely anti-Windows FUD spreading dishonest and misleading information. Apple has the reputation is does not because of advertising but because of selective pricing and a religious following that insists it's products are perfect and superior in every way. For normal peope it's like listening to your metro brother-in-law go on and on about his latest Gucci watch when all you want is to know when soccer practice is. And the higher Apple prices their products the more alluring they become, after all, you get what you pay for, right? And you're special so you deserve it. Personally I'm glad Microsoft finally decided to inject a does of reality into the conversation, I'm just curious why they let Apple run free with their nonsense for so long before finally doing something.
And they make PC guy awkward but somewhat adorable, and intentionally keep the Mac guy hip & snarky.
It worked.
I know that I waste my time all day supporting Microsoft's software, so I might have missed that "reality," but I missed out on all the "dishonest and misleading information" in the Mac ads, too.
At the end of the day, this article was about effective marketing, and whether you are a Mac, Windows, or Linux user, you have to admit that this is an area where Apple has arguably done a better job.
The iphone launched on simple product demonstration adds. People then tried to replicate the add and found that Apple didn't exaggerate anything. it worked that simply and that well.
Looks like the UK doesn't agree with your assessment that people could repeat what they saw in the 3G adds: http://www.ipodobserver.com/story/38016. While I think the iPhone is probably the best smartphone on the market right now I still think the Apple fanbois really need to try and find a more balanced life...
You willl find that the EU will disagree with you.
Sure, Apple will rip on Microsoft, but that's part of advertising -- show your strengths and your competitors' weaknesses. If you choose to only remember the ones calling out the competitor's weaknesses, then I'd say you're not being impartial. Your other "Gucci" and "reality" comments reinforce that opinion.
I like the Apple ads, for the most part. I wish Microsoft would come up with something as ingenious and consistent as the Apple ads. Chris' article is spot on.
It's more ignorance I'm afraid - PC World did a review of the then Macbook Pro in 2007 when it did indeed run Vista faster than any other tested laptop. Not really a surprise since it was also the most powerful x86 architecture PC they had tested. However, it was neither the fastest available at the time (merely the fastest tested) and even that title lasted a couple of months until PC World tested the equivalent - or better - spec'd Windows laptops available.
Silly fanboys who spout this rubbish are just an embarrassment to most Apple users.
I wouldn't go out and buy one, especially when I run XP with no problems and have a headache free time because I just put a little effort into configurations that improve performance.
You'll learn children and animals sell products take a marketing class.
when Fighting against a Monopoly wat better way
there's only so much catchy music and Slick Design can Do
also the humor is a nice way to bring the attention of people !
Although the ads dont really work for me, they might help some people !
I prefer the Macbook air kind of ads
"when Fighting against a Monopoly wat better way"
The Merriam-Webster dictionary defines "monopoly" as, "exclusive ownership through legal privilege, command of supply, or concerted action". Unless I am woefully uninformed there are no laws in place that ensure Microsoft's presence in the market place, supply is derived from a number of global sources (many of which Apple uses as well), and there is no concerted action to make themselves the sole supplier of any good or service. The company offers a product and people buy it.
I think the misconception arises from the fact that Microsoft is a software manufacturer while Apple attempts to be both a software AND a hardware supplier. It's simply a difference of business models; Microsoft makes deals with computer manufacturers to sell their product on their machines; much the same as your office may only sale Coke or Pepsi products in the vending machines. Apple, on the other hand, limits themselves by forcing potential consumers to purchase a pre-packaged product that is both hardware and software. The result is a much higher price point than a PC. I don't know what sort of organization many of you work for but in most of the business world, price point matters when purchasing equipment; heck, even the space-shuttle is built by the lowest bidder (scary I know).
Why do people generally purchase more PCs than MACs? Human nature. People like the comfortable and familiar; they work with a PC all day and become used to operating one. Price point matters for most consumers as well; if you look at two comparable machines and one is several hundred dollars cheaper, the average person will buy the cheaper one. Most people only use their computer to do comparatively light computing (ie. surfing the internet, e-mailing, viewing media) and both a PC or MAC would serve them well in this regard as the user will experience the same result.
My way of thinking is why should I pay so much more for a product that does exactly the same thing and has the same equipment inside it? I would rather not. I know of noone in my group of friends or family that has experienced a great deal of trouble with viruses or crashes but then none of us endanger our property by taking unnecessary risks (visiting pornographic sites or piracy). I am still operating on my initial installation of Vista and have never had a crash or any serious problem. If my PC breaks, I can buy a new one and still be spending less than I would for a MAC.
Just my 2 cents on this whole nonsense. It's all preference and available capital.
MS is a monopoly under what the US calls a monopoly
That doesn't mean its a evil corporation..
Where's the monopoly at? If Microsoft's monopoly is in the OS, which I assume since they do not make PCs... then it's rather simple for Apple to compete. Sell an open version of OS X that runs on X86 hardware. There wouldn't be a need for hackintosh installs and Psystar if OS X was available for PCs. I've ran OS/2, BeOS, Linspire, Suse, Ubuntu and Kubuntu on my PCs. So it's not like my PC is obligated to run Windows. I get to pick what I want to install on it.
So if Apple and you are so concerned about a Microsoft monopoly in the OS market, then why not actually COMPETE with them. When you are in the business of solely selling the hardware, then you are not really competing in the OS market. What does Apple have to fear? Surely they have competence that OS X works as well as they proclaim, so let's see how well it works out in the wild?
Namely Office & Windows. And the market reward them with monopoly.
But now it's just a bloated behemoth which refuse to die, while making little & futile effort to change.
the I'm a PC ads proved this
what about the Mojave cr@p.the Laptop hunter ads made it even more obvious that MS marketing department isn't doing their job right
@AllenKids
try Windows 7, you'll see that MS *has* a great product
I now running Leopard / Vista / Win 7100 /Ubuntu 9.04 simultaneously on several machines.
Win 7 is certain not the worst. Vista had that position firmly secured.
But a lot of major annoyances still stands out & I'm not even talking aesthetically.
For instance Windows Explorer just become more and more unusable. Also they still haven't fix the system wide searching/indexing performance issue.
MS has done a lot to earn the strong dislike of them as a company.
With that said... Apple has made a dramatic comeback in the last 8 years--thanks to the stewardship of Steve Jobs. There's no denying Apple is someone to be reckoned with. But so is Microsoft... which still dominates OS, Office software and web browsing... even against some impressive competition. There really is a place in this universe for both. Not all of Microsoft's products junk. And not all of Apple's are heaven-sent... after all, the Mac's most popular software program is... Microsoft Office.
incorrect... the reason Apple only has the upper 10% of the PC market is because Steve Jobs left in 1985 to form NeXT, so it's hard to say what would have happened to Microsoft if that had not happened. Microsoft had no choice but to pay for the QuickTime thefts in 1997. While Apple certainly didn't need the money (it had $1.2 Billion in cash at the time) but Microsoft did the right thing and paid Apple for stealing their code. and ah, Apple was never near bankruptcy, that was a pure urban myth.
A history lesson for you... Microsoft Office began on the Macintosh, only later ported to the PC. Excel, PowerPoint, the GUI Word, were all Macintosh ONLY products since PCs weren't advanced enough to run them. so MS Office first appeared on Macs... not Windows.
And actually, iLife is far more popular than MS Office on the Mac... everyone realizes MS Office components are functionally obsolete because of the advent of the Web, so Office has been in decline for years... far less than 30% of Macs even use Office since the Web and the included Apps on Macs are far superior to MS Office.
Now you know!
try doing real work with one of those online services or iWork or even openOffice and you'll prolly run out and buy yourself MS Office
for the record, I use MS Office in my Linux install under WINE
way back when, PC's were faster, but Macs had a GUI, either one could be more advanced
Now, this legacy crap is running on most computers and there is a huge ecosystem around it. It is not that easy to get rid of it. It is not love of this crap, it is growing in sale.
It will take time. Linux and Mac are just started to make a dent..
I don't think Microsoft can keep their market intact for long time since change (switching to Mac) has started to happen and no one can stop it.
Then Windows OS/2 and Mac
of those Windows and Mac won. OS/2 was better, more robust and stable and Windows won anyway. Mac was and still is the also ran though it's always been a fairly good OS.
OS/2 lost mainly because MS screwed IBM royally.
Guess I do hold a grudge against Microsoft, hmmm, interesting...
DR-DOS
OS/2
Tenix
CP/M
...
They were out there, but Microsoft made an excellent marketing decision in the beginning by going directly to the manufacturers to distribute their product in situ. Back then, Microsoft had an excellent product. I came up on MS-DOS and it was a heck of a lot easier to use than Apple's DOS, and had a plethora of features not seen in Apple's world, including an advanced file system.
Even now, I do not have any problems with Vista. I have never had a crash. Is it a bit bloated with legacy runtimes? Absolutely. Unless you want to completely scrap backwards-compatibility you will always find this bloat.
What I see in Apple products is a Hello-Kitty user-friendliness that completely insulates the user from the gearworks behind the scenes. In this, Apple has succeeded in making a product for people whom don't wish to take the time to learn how learn how things work. Its like an inverse-niche market.
The reason you don't see viruses and the like for Mac is largely in the way they monopolize development tools and the like. Malicious code is malicious code, and every machine, regardless of the operating system, is vulnerable to it. It just takes the means and the will to execute, and why bother if hardly any businesses or governments use the OS?
This assertion is a lame cop out that we continually hear echoed in chat rooms, blogs, and public commentary sites such as this. Seriously, with all the hackers out there who despise Apple for being...well, Apple. You're telling me that every single one of them are sitting on their hands going, "We could write a virus that could take Apple down if we wanted to. But we won't..so blah!"
What kind of BS is this? Really, after hearing all the negative commentary from Microsoft advocates out there. Am I to believe that the reason why Mac's are nearly invulnerable to viruses (i.e. Confiker Worm) is because hackers choose not to write anything because of market share. Seriously? Does anybody want to talk about the UNIX kernel and how this factors in to the grand scheme of things when discussing viruses on a Mac?
Somebody please give me another reason other than "perceived" market share that would explain why my Macbook's performance and vulnerability against viruses is no different than it was the day I bought it over 2 years ago. While I hear a lot of smack from the Microsoft camp about Apple's vulnerabilities, for some reason it just doesn't get the same kind of press like Microsoft's inherent virus ladened problems. Oh yeah, I forgot, it all boils down to market share.
it is harder to write worms virii and trojans for Mac OS due to its market share
the pirated iLife botnet proved it was possible though and that Mac OS is nearing the magic percentage of market share
TOS
BASIC
UNIX
Now as more and more average users start to see the problems arising from basic software such as Office 2007, surely Mac ads are bound to work. They provide an alternative to weak stuff out in the market.
2. you don't need to buy extra software, antivirus sw is free!
3. I bet my Linux install is more stable than your Mac
I have read many of your posts. All I see coming from you is egoistic attacks. I never attacked anyone (if you read my post carefully). All I voiced was my opinion. Yes, I do use Windows, a Mac and some variants of Linux. I know the ups and downs of each. Btw I hate to break this to you but most Macs that were hacked; the hacker were given a few parameters so that they can get something to start off with. I am not saying that a Mac is attack free but what I did say was that as of now, Windows machines are not stable enough in terms of security and other measures. All I see is band-aid fixes coming at the end of the month.
I have to use Office 2007 at work and I see various apps such as powerpoint, access, and at times word crash without any reason and without an error code. If you would like me to further elaborate on this, I'll do it in my next post.
If you have a nice Linux installation, Good for you. How does that, or how does one prove that their installation is more stable than another's. The fact is simple. You obviously use a limited number of apps that don't cause that many problems. I on the other hand use many apps some of them are high end apps (not including Office) that if a system lacks in either hardware or software (being a stable system), it will potentially cause a lot of financial damage. Some private apps require a stable system with a certain touch.
I trust my Windows installs to AVG
no problems yet with any of them
@sharma
those bandaids are patches, Mac OS has them too
I use Ubuntu Linux for just about everything except gaming [though this is starting to change because of Win7]
so no, I'm not using a limited number of apps
if Mac OS X Server is so much more stable than a server flavour of Linux
may I ask the question of why so many huge server farms use Linux instead of MacOS Server
Apple uses Linux in some of its local sites
Linux>Windows XP/7>Mac OS>WinVista
He's one of those advertising jackoffs who makes conjectures without and qualitative or quantitative evidence. MS got hurt badly by listening to this type of moron when they went with the Bill Gates / Jerry Seinfeld ads. No testing done there whatsoever.
The Mohave ads (despite being deceptive) and the Laptop Hunter ads were doubtlessly TESTED.
I have one piece of software I still use that's Windows only. I've got Windows 7 beta running in VirtualBox on my Mac.
It works just fine. It's nothing special. The taskbar is hauntingly like the dock on a Mac now. This OS is evolutionary not revolutionary from Microsoft. I don't see how they'll be able to push this new OS to anything more than a Vista like adoption rate.
I never owned a machine running Windows that I didn't like. I even "loved" a couple, and one of those ran the over maligned Vista.
I love my Mac more.
I never liked the personalization options of OS X or Windows. Windows did have uxtheme patching and a community there, but it's not nearly as personal as the customization of linux.
"I always felt OS X was clinging to GUI features for little to no reason at all. Like putting the menu of the window with focus at the top of the screen, or putting the window control buttons on the left instead of the right."
I think you misunderstood the concept behind the menu bar at the top. The menu bar is associated with the running application, not a specific window. IMO, MS's model is broken in a number of ways (you ALWAYS have to have a window, inspector windows either need to be within another window, or breaks the interface, etc).
On the Mac (and NeXTSTEP), an app did not need to have a window, could have only one window, or could be a doc based app (managing multiple documents at the same time).
Agreed, Microsoft's "window inside a window inside a window" paradigm always gives the feeling similar to road rage.
Their respective campaigns shows the distinct difference.
Market share centric thinking is not in their gene, if they ever get so arrogant thinking they can rule them all, Apple would fail, again, like they once did in the 90's.
Also pretending Apple will force minimalist style on you is just nonsense. It's like pretending legalize gay marriage will force a straight man to marry his best buddy.
To me moving to Apple is like moving backwards to the Commodore area of computing when people bought systems that were cool and popular with closed and controlled development of add-ons and compatibility just to have the next cool ecosystem take control junking the past investment.
Microsoft got us past all that by opening a wider world around Windows were many developers and system builders could be involved. Yes, that allows for cheap parts, malware and sloppy driver development. But is censorship of available cellphone applications and a gatekeeper of parts and partners what we really want to solve the issue? We will be left with one operating system and one system maker in the end. And you think Microsoft's control of one part is scary?
Saying Apple does not want a monopoly and blindly buying their products will not stop it from happening.
1."And we will adopt the planetary silver jumpsuit dress code seen in countless sci-fi movies. No thanks."
2."No one said Apple is forcing anything on anyone. "
Then DON'T freaking wear a Silver Jumpsuit for humanity's sake!
Do sometimes consider a black turtleneck though
Proof Macs are for Stupid people that can't even form a proper sentence or write coherent English.
Personal attack doesn't *prove* anything.
Playing grammar police while fun also can't rebuttal my point.
Are you trying to be cute?
I do apologize for my poorly worded post.
English is not my first language, without the edit function, it's not like I can help afterwards.
Hopefuly I will get better at grammar with practice, like what I'm doing right now.
Don't sell Apple short. They are a growth company. Just like everyone else in corporate America.
My Macbook crashes & hanges. Programs stop responding. Surfing can hang and be slow. Mac is nowhere near close to perfect.
i do understand you are agreeing with me, so why would Apple put that commercial on the air then whey they are not impervious to having issues either? Maybe you can sue Apple for the commercial and have them pay for the Macbook? LOL. If MS did the same commercial, you could almost bet that there would be law suits all over the place.
if it was about the quality of the product the order would be
[-]Linux Ubuntu
[-]Windows 7
[-]just about every other Linux flavour
[-]Windows XP
[-]Mac OS X [all]
[-]Windows Vista
1. OS X Leopard
2. Ubuntu Linux (Other distros generally rank rather low in the user friendly department)
3. Windows 7 (In fact still better for the starters than Ubuntu)
4 Windows XP (Would've been higher without that unbearably awful theme called Luna)
5 Windows Vista
Along with Windows 7, I have a Ubuntu machine set up in VirtualBox on my Mac. I like it. As far as mass market adoption is concerned? No way.
You've got to consider the "average" user. The "average" user is going to expect a completely polished GUI. The "average" user will wet the chair when they go to install something and terminal opens, even if all they'd need to do is type "run". Just like with cars, there are folks out there who couldn't change a flat tire to save their lives. They still drive.
The only issue I have had ever with Vista was Nvidia drivers for my 7950gx2 card and those drivers were nortiously buggy. I don't blame Microsoft for Nvidia's crappy drivers. I simply reinstalled the drivers and all was good. Now I am on two 9800gtx+ cards in SLI and loving it! I've streamlined Vista down to 38 processes and it runs faster than XP ever did. It installed with around 70 processes, most which were not needed and just wasted time and resources.
I'm going with this list
Ubuntu 9.04 (freaking AWESOME)
Windows 7
Vista tied with OS X
XP/2000
Amiga (I still love my old Amiga damnit hehe)
If they say anything other then sorry I will beat them half to death with my macbook.
Now, I will say that Apple has had a much better advertising campaign. They have a unified theme that is instantly recognizable. I really liked the "I'm a PC" adds, they had an upbeat tone and it was not poking fun at anyone, it just showed that PC users aren't nerds, they are normal people. I really liked the laptop hunters commercials seem really cheesy, but I did the exact same thing when I went to buy my PC. It would be cool if Microsoft put together a coherent theme that was prevalent in all of their adds. Also Microsoft does well as a monopoly because they don't do everything.
The article describes a PIRATED copy iWork, that had been modified to include malware. The only way to get this "software" was to illegally download it from a dubious source and install it yourself!
Did you even read the article? If you did, were you not able to understand it?!
Yeah I like the Zune ads too.
Rather a shame to see the actually product struggling while in fact there is nothing horribly wrong about it.
iPod + iTunes really is a formidable formula.
True enough about iTunes and iPod. I have to work hard to keep my family from screwing up everthing by using them. Then when they do anyway I have to remind them why their ACC files don't work like an MP3.
LOL, by using iPod + iTunes, you have to totally let go of yourself.
Forget your nicely organized MP3 cascade folders, don't even try to manually move files around. Of course you can costomize your library view or smart play list, but only within the laws of universe of iTunes.
Indeed for a more tech savvy guy, it's a scary jump of faith.
I jumped 3 years ago, then I found true serenity. Everything started to make sense. Praise his steveness! RAmen!
What's with the AAC/MP3 problem though. Why should somebody care?Do you happen to have some antique MP3 player not compatible with AAC? Seriously
A virus self installs. There has yet to be a case of malware of any kind on a Mac that wasn't put there by direct access to the machine or idiocy on the part of the user.
I run antivirus software on my Mac. I live in a world full of PC's. I don't want to accidentally pass something on that didn't effect me at all.
Sorry, but Macs can get viruses. Apparently there was a virus that affected iChat in 2006 http://www.sophos.com/pressoffice/news/articles/2006/02/macosxleap.html. Also, Apple complained that iPod got infected by a virus because of Windows. Doesn't Apple know about viruses and care? They should have been pre-pared. Its been years since I read the article, but if they connected the iPod to a Mac, the Mac could have then been infected by the virus. I am wondering if that is how they found out. Macs are not impervious to malware, viruses, trojans or any other problems that plagues Windows.
One thing that I would like to understand, how does a virus get reported? If it is from anti-virus application then if a computer is not running an anti-virus app then they could essentially have a virus that would not be reported. Just another of my 2 cents.
What are you talking about? iTunes convert unprotected purchase to mp3 just fine.
Do a little dig in your preference, It's under import CD setting I believe.
Your virus is a worm requiring user interaction to install. To quote my previous post "There has yet to be a case of malware of any kind on a Mac that wasn't put there by direct access to the machine or idiocy on the part of the user."
Symantec lists that "Leap A Worm" as effecting "0-49" machines, it's threat level as "Low" and it's removal as "Easy". Yes, it required a user click to install.
An iPod has to be reformatted to run with a Windows machine. A Mac can't read an iPod formated for Windows. So no, the virus could not transfer to a Mac.
Apple is concerned about viruses, several months ago they released a support notice recommending Mac users run anti virus software. It was taken down within a few days. I just switched from Windows in October. I read a number of pro/con Mac anti virus articles online. I run anti virus on my Mac just in case, and so I don't accidentally pass something on to my friends.
Yes, most viruses are found because anti virus software catches it, then notifies it's (the AV software's not the viruses) maker. What you said is theoretically true. A new virus on an unprotected machine, would go unreported. But viruses usually get wide distribution and are caught quickly. Norton, Avast, Intego et al then release the fix in their "Virus Definitions" updates.
The tagline should be "I'm stupid and can be convinced to buy something I don't want by a Best Buy employee..."
- by ikramerica--2008 April 26, 2009 11:52 AM PDT
- Apple's ads now are better than the even more obnoxious ads they used to run with Jeff Goldblum saying nothing of value.
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- by Seaspray0 April 27, 2009 11:27 AM PDT
- They're like doing a ford vs chevy commercial based on a parody using pet rocks. They don't show the product, they don't even show anyone using the product, and there are no facts in the commercials.
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