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April 28, 2009 9:09 AM PDT

Apple prepping two wireless devices with Verizon?

by David Carnoy
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Concept art for an Apple touch-screen Netbook.

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Over the last few months rumors have continued to swirl around a possible Verizon-Apple deal to bring the iPhone to Verizon once Apple's exclusive pact with AT&T expires in 2010. But Tuesday BusinessWeek added a new twist to the rumor, reporting that Verizon and Apple are in talks to develop two new wireless devices that may hit the market this year.

Allegedly, one device would be a thinner, lighter, and lower-priced version of the iPhone--an iPhone Lite, if you will. While the other device would be something akin to the jumbo iPod Touch that we wrote about previously. BusinessWeek's anonymous source describes it as a "media pad that would let users listen to music, view photos, and watch high-definition videos."

The source, who claims to have seen the new media pad, says it's "smaller than an Amazon Kindle electronic reader, but its touch-screen is bigger than the Kindle's." It would be able to place calls over Wi-Fi and a high-speed wireless data connection from Verizon.

In discussing the latest rumor, BusinessWeek and some analysts seemed to downplay the possibility of the iPhone Lite coming to Verizon as long as Apple has an iPhone deal in place with AT&T. While details of that agreement remain scant, the assumption is there's a clause that very likely imposes "strict limits on Apple's ability to introduce an iPhone on a rival network," according to BusinessWeek. There's also a strong possibility that Apple is using all the Verizon talk to put pressure on AT&T to extend its deal with Apple at better terms.

All that said, with all the chatter, it seems more likely we'll see that media pad--or what some people are calling Apple's version of a Netbook--this year. And the wireless portion of it might very well be powered by Verizon--or AT&T.

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(Source: BusinessWeek via Silicon Alley Insider)

Hunkered down in New York City, Executive Editor David Carnoy covers the gamut of gadgets and writes his Fully Equipped column, which carries the tag line "The electronics you lust for." He's also the author of "Knife Music," a novel. E-mail David. Follow David on Twitter.
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by ryan_t_moreau April 28, 2009 9:30 AM PDT
This is amazing. I sincerely think this is a possiblity. Apple would be nuts to not ant to work with the company with the largest network and subscriber base in America. This better be fact! Lets make with some Apple for CDMA!
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by molotov April 28, 2009 12:40 PM PDT
This will be the worst day, ever. I want my iTop to be triband and be able to sync with my Touch, iMac and Google Mail. I do not mind paying for the internet, fast internet - mind you, but I do not want to be stuck with Verizon, even if they are not the worst.
by yoyodyne April 28, 2009 12:47 PM PDT
I hope not, don't want the legions of i-idiots apple fanbo-i-s ruining Verizon. Let them suffer with ATT!! If a BlackBerry is good for Obama, it's good for me... And yes, I have a BB Storm, that I'm considering having surgically implated sometime soon....
by SNOOP_ROCA April 28, 2009 1:47 PM PDT
YOYODYNE, please, keep your flames on the inside, 1st of all, I don't see what's so bad about AT&T (I've had Verizon and AT&T and like both), and 2nd, I hate when I see Microsoft fanboys ruining Verizon.....
by yoyodyne April 28, 2009 2:33 PM PDT
LOL, yeah, when did Micro$oft start distributing mandriva??
by eyycox April 28, 2009 9:46 AM PDT
put an e-ink screen on the back, how sweet would that be?
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by B-McGee April 28, 2009 9:49 AM PDT
completely bitter. e-ink will not gain any real traction.
by MrsFortune April 28, 2009 9:50 AM PDT
Still very disappointed that Verizon makes you buy the data package to use internet even if your phone is WiFi capable. With more and more free WiFi hotspots it would be nice to be able to use them with your WiFi capable phone. For now, I'll keep using my Pocket PC and the free phone I get with my renewal. Let them keep their "smart" phones.
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by solu1978 April 28, 2009 10:01 AM PDT
whats more when ppl complain they provide phone with no wifi ( BB Storm ).. Verizon sucks
by jlt0x April 28, 2009 10:43 AM PDT
I also hate that VerizonWireless requires a data package when you activate any smartphone, but I understand why they want it that way. They offer smartphones to their customers with the intention of the customer to include the data package. Many of these same phones have gained huge popularity with business consumers and non-business users. It seems that VW didn't plan for so many non-business users to want to get a smartphone and NOT get the data package; hence, the data requirement.
by sbrickell April 28, 2009 10:52 AM PDT
I have a XV6800 with wifi on Verizon and I wasn't required to have a data plan (this was last June). However I do have one because it is a smartphone; who in the world would want a smartphone with out a data plan? When you drive on a road trip, do you just do with out e-mail and google maps, etc? With out a dataplan, I think a smartphone would be down right dumb.
by viper396 April 28, 2009 11:31 AM PDT
@MrsFortune. Who in their right mind would own a smartphone without a dataplan? While it may be wrong to force you to buy a dataplan, it's dumb for any smartphone user to not have one. No matter how much you try to avoid it the inevitable situation will occur where you want to check an e-mail, go online to search, find an address, etc. but wifi access is not available. (such as in a bus or car). Wifi access points are simply not common and universal enough to be a reliable substitute for a decent data plan.

Verizon used to allow you to buy a smartphone without a dataplan but I guess they got tired of dealing with irate customers that "accidently" rung up a huge bill because they accessed the data network without a dataplan.
by ralfthedog April 28, 2009 1:36 PM PDT
I have a phone that has no voice chat or data plan. I use it to keep papers from blowing away when I am working outside.
by ismyrnow April 28, 2009 1:52 PM PDT
I have a smartphone, but I dont wanna pay and extra $50 every month to check my email. I'm a student, and I don't wish to spend the extra money, when I can wait an hour and check email on a computer, or use wifi, which is all over campus.

That's like paying for a cable tv programming package, when all you really want to use your tv for is movies and local news.
by SeizeCTRL April 28, 2009 7:57 PM PDT
I think we can all agree that most mobile carriers pretty much suck. they are ruthless, they over charge, fail to deliver, often drop calls... it doesn't matter what carrier you are on, you will often have something negative to say. Some areas have better cover with difference service providers than others... so you may say Verizon sucks because where you live, Verizon does suck, but where I live they may kick ass and vice versa with other carriers.

Where I live, Alltel pretty much dominates in service, customer satisfaction and so on. I know a lot of people who flipped their lids when Verizon bought them. My g/f was on SunComm... and now that they are T Mobile, she has had nothing but problems out of her phone. But my best friend out of state praises T Mobile and her G1 like it's the Jesus phone on Heaven Wireless ;)
by jskrenes April 28, 2009 9:25 PM PDT
Keep in mind the cost of these devices. The Omnia was down to $99.99 (free with New Every Two credits), but it costs almost $600 at full retail. And the 6800 cost $400 with a contract when the data plan was optional. Like it or not, the cost of the phones are now highly subsidized by the data plan. I suppose if you don't want the data plan, they could always go back to charging $4-600 for PDAs. But you really aren't saving money.
by lil_wheat April 29, 2009 4:37 AM PDT
Verizon is not the only carrier that requires a data package with smart phones. Any smart phone that came out after November of 2008 requires a data plan. So if you have an older Moto Q9m -- you're good with no data plan, if you have a newer Samsung Omnia -- data plan required.

It sucks, but that is how EVERY carrier does it. I'd personally like to see a "data-ready" plan that maybe costs $5 a month and per MB used for people like me who will only go on the web when connected to a wifi hotspot.
by Yellowspikes April 29, 2009 10:26 PM PDT
Yeah I'm pretty disappointed that I still have to pay for the data package too, and I'm with AT&T so it's the same excat thing at least with Verizon I will actually be able to use 3G unlike AT&T. Oh and might I add they charge 30$ and Verizon is cheaper and a lot more reliable!
by April 28, 2009 9:53 AM PDT
Wow where's microsoft in this? They better have started trying to catch up to apple on the phones, not just the operating systems
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by slecalvez April 28, 2009 10:02 AM PDT
You troll, Microsoft doesn't make hardware (except mice and keyboards.. oh yeah and the zune). How can they catch up in the phone arena if they never started. Besides, I have no respect for a phone that doesn't have Coy/Paste until 3 years after it was launched. The Iphone is indeed beautiful, but it's FAAAAR from being perfect.
by docster87 April 28, 2009 10:46 AM PDT
@slecalvez, okay, MS doesn't make hardware. However a few years ago someone suggested MS go after the iPod directly and so MS started making Zunes. I really don't see much difference between MP3 players and phones in this aspect. MS had a huge presence in the software side of MP3 players before rolling out the Zunes. MS has a large presence in phone software right now. Eventhough MS has had years of practice with phone software, Apple seems to have them nervous with just their first/second offering.
So how did the suggestion that MS start making phones equal being a troll??? "how can they (MS) catch up in the phone arena if they never started"??? Well, did that stop MS from rolling out Zunes to compete w/ iPods? Did that stop MS from rolling out the Xbox to compete w/ the PS2???
by kwhsy82 April 28, 2009 11:05 AM PDT
um xbox?
by MyTThor April 28, 2009 11:16 AM PDT
yeah slecalvez doesn't seem to know what a troll is. And can we let it go with copy/paste? I don't have an iphone but a Dare and in 8 months I can't remember once wishing I had copy paste. Landscape texting is more of a need for the iPhone, to me.
by viper396 April 28, 2009 11:55 AM PDT
@MyTThor, the LG dare is not classified as a smartphone. While some may try to pass it off as one, it's not.
by viper396 April 28, 2009 11:58 AM PDT
@MyTThor, the LG dare is not classified as a smartphone. While some may try to pass it off as one, it's not.


Since it's not a smartphone it's fairly obvious why you never had to cut-n-paste.
by Paul_Christie April 28, 2009 1:45 PM PDT
@slecalvez
Lol
WOW! You don't know what a troll is!? You fail trying to be smart with your comment.
by SeizeCTRL April 28, 2009 8:01 PM PDT
I have an iPaq 5915rx GPS / PDA... while it's not built by MS, it does run Windows Mobile. There are a lot of phone that run WinMo such as the HTC Touch / Diamond etc. There are rumors of an HD Zune+phone in the works.

Micirosoft makes great hardware like keyboards, mice, flight sticks, steering wheels and so on. I've not had any problems out of my X Box or X Box 360, so they get a thumbs up from me on that front... even though I am fully aware of the RRoD... I've never personally encountered it or know anyone who has.
by B-McGee April 28, 2009 9:57 AM PDT
I'm sure the iPad COULD place calls over WiFi and wireless cellular data networks, but if it did, it would be classified as an iPhone and Apple could be in trouble for breach of their AT&T contract. If the iPad only places calls over WiFi, it's technically not a phone and hence Apple can do with it what they wish. My question is this: assume Apple gets the iPad / tablet / netbook device on Verizon's network - how many of you current iPhone subscribers are going to handle 2 contracts to carry both a iPhone and the iPad?

Oh how I long for the days of device freedom from the tyrant telecoms...but, it's nice to see these two companies at least exploring options again. Verizon can't say no to Apple again can they? And afford to lose all that revenue? How quickly will AT&T die out once Verizon gets the iPhone? Granted, the iPhone was always really meant for Verizon, but if Verizon does get the iPhone, this could spell the end to telecom competition in the US as Sprint is about to die out and AT&T minus the iPhone = baby shaker app (not a good idea on all fronts). That scares me cause prices will do nothing but skyrocket...
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by goodspeed8701 April 28, 2009 10:00 AM PDT
They should just call it the netbook.
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by Tekklord April 28, 2009 10:03 AM PDT
Why would Apple bother with 10+ yo technology? Verizon is building it's 4G network and the netbook format is perfect for it and timed about right. As for an iPhone-lite, I think it's more likely to be an iTouch on steroids with 4G. A netbook-lite if you will. And if you can make a Voip call from it (Skype or similar), Apple is likely to be able to ram it thru no matter how much AT&T complains. Since no one but Apple knows all of the AT&T deal, we can only speculate... But it's likely that a big brother to the iTouch will not infringe...
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by SeizeCTRL April 28, 2009 8:02 PM PDT
That's basically what was mentioned on Engadget, that it would most likely be a 4g based device and not something based on CDMA.
by Tekklord April 28, 2009 10:04 AM PDT
Why would Apple bother with 10+ yo technology? Verizon is building it's 4G network and the netbook format is perfect for it and timed about right. As for an iPhone-lite, I think it's more likely to be an iTouch on steroids with 4G. A netbook-lite if you will. And if you can make a Voip call from it (Skype or similar), Apple is likely to be able to ram it thru no matter how much AT&T complains. Since no one but Apple knows all of the AT&T deal, we can only speculate... But it's likely that a big brother to the iTouch will not infringe...
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by April 28, 2009 10:29 AM PDT
Looking forward to the ipad. However, hope that both of the new devices support flash.
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by AppleSuxLeo April 28, 2009 11:00 AM PDT
And the fact that I can get a netbook that does everything better for a fraction of the price makes this device a loser. Bwahahahaha Apple is grasping at straws due to the impending Palm Pre release.
The highly anticipated phone -- along with webOS, its brand-new operating system -- has already begun to give other companies fits. Apple (AAPL Quote) was the first to react when the Pre was introduced. And now, Apple's iPhone partner AT&T(T Quote) is reportedly sending internal memos that boast to their people why iPhone is a better deal.

On the other hand, designers who have been working on software for the new Pre have nothing but praise for the upcoming device.

Yep people...the Pre is gonna be a failure ! That is why ATT/Apple have started the FUD-Machine already.
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by celticbrewer April 28, 2009 11:13 AM PDT
Oh, but you're forgetting the thousands of sheeple who will buy anything that Apple puts out no matter how inferior and overpriced it is. So we can't say that the iPad will be a loser.. just the people who buy them.
by MyTThor April 28, 2009 11:14 AM PDT
LOL it takes 3 years for there to even be rumors of a phone with a better OS than the iPhone and Apple is scared? The iPhone is prettier than the Pre that alone will keep apple in a healthy market share since it's one of the main attractions of the iPhone. When Steve Jobs said the iPhone was 5 years ahead of any other cell phone, it seems like his estimate was pretty accurate; what he didn't tell you was that apple was going to be the company that matches it 5 years later.
by pellets007 April 28, 2009 11:28 AM PDT
Weren't people saying this about the BlackBerry Storm? The Pre isn't going to be a failure, but it's not going to kill the iPhone. Apple isn't worried. But we do see the apparent bias in your name.
by Dana Kincaid April 28, 2009 11:30 AM PDT
Ummm... AppleSuxLeo? Didn't I see you on the Rush Limbaugh is God website? I'm pretty sure... Don't you have teabagger party to go to?
by jbcahill April 28, 2009 12:29 PM PDT
The Palm Pre is absolutley NO threat, absolutely ZERO to the iPhone. Palm is a dead company that just haven't turned out the lights yet. The Pre isn't going to save them.
by patrick.dylan April 28, 2009 11:11 AM PDT
I call BS on the whole thing. HUNDREDS of news articles, all leading back to one "anonymous source" at Business Week.... seems like that's a pretty weak leg to stand on. What makes this any better than all the other rumors, the fact that a gullible reporter at BW got duped?
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by Dana Kincaid April 28, 2009 11:25 AM PDT
I've been putting off getting an iPhone because I have Verizon, and have had Verizon for quite a while. I'd love to see some type of Apple product that is compatible with the Verizon network.

Go Apple!


- Dana Kincaid, PowerMac G5, Apple TV
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by WilliamHarper April 28, 2009 11:40 AM PDT
Cool. And it will only cost $1700.
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by myles taylor April 28, 2009 11:49 AM PDT
I wish, but I doubt it's true. I can't see Apple creating an iPhone Lite. The other one is a maybe, but it seems too disjointed and uncertain for Apple.
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by NervClaX April 28, 2009 11:59 AM PDT
I would remain cautiously optimistic about anything new from Verizon. They are the most restrictive with their network, their devices, and what applications can be used on them. Verizon always tries to force you to use their services exclusively.

$10 says they make a move to block Skype.
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by AppleSuxLeo April 28, 2009 12:01 PM PDT
Conservative analyst estimates put it at 4.5 million on Sprint alone in 1.5 yrs.
Google-phone is at 1 million in over a year. OUCH ! Glad I waited as well as the fact I get $150 towards a new Sprint phone (Pre) as I have fulfilled my contract.
There will be more form-factors and carriers sooner than you realize. USA , Europe , World.
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by zschork April 28, 2009 12:32 PM PDT
Noooo! We dont want something LIKE the iPhone on verizon, we want the iPhone!!! cant apple get that throught their heads?
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by Shaun822 April 28, 2009 6:05 PM PDT
I'm sure they would like to tap into the largest cell phone carrier in America but they are probably locked into ATT exclusively for a few more months (years). Also, it requires a different set of hardware since VZW is CDMA and the rest of the world is GSM with a few exceptions. If Apple is as smart as we give them all credit for, and even haters have to admit they are smart since they sell so much stuff, they will have put in a clause in the exclusivity that they can jump ship and make a phone for another carrier so long as they continue to finish a certain number of years with ATT.
by ralfthedog April 28, 2009 3:15 PM PDT
This looks like a cool form factor. I can't wait to start developing applications for it.
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by mgheff April 28, 2009 3:45 PM PDT
Cool, but this does not count as a netbook...
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by davrosthedalek April 28, 2009 3:47 PM PDT
In NY state Verizon is the best coverage. AT and T sucks.

[Editors' note: Profanity removed]
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by alexacker May 3, 2009 2:55 AM PDT
I don't understand how AT&T "sucks" for NY State. Where exactly in NY State? You should be more specific. I'm in LI and work in the city and it's great. Also, have friends with iphones in Westchester, CT, and all over with iPhones and no one has any problems. I used to have Verizon on a Treo and the network was good but everything else was bad: data speed, customer service, billing BS, attitude of employees at Verizon stores. Plain BAD. I'll take AT&T and Apple technical support any day....
by davrosthedalek May 10, 2009 6:32 AM PDT
Lets put it this way. Every single person I know and every single client I have uses Verizon. Why would I want to use AT and T or Sprint and use up my minutes for every call. Western NY by the way. Not NY city.
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