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Analyst sees Windows 7 done by summer

by Ina Fried
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Although slumping PC sales will certainly hurt Microsoft, the software maker's year could be better than expected, according to one financial analyst.

In a research note on Monday, Collins Stewart analyst Sandeep Aggarwal projected that Microsoft will finalize the code for Windows 7 by June or July and also suggested that a search deal with Yahoo is likely to happen sooner rather than later. And, although it won't be here this year, Aggarwal said that the next version of Office, code-named Office 14, should come early next year.

Brokerage Collins Stewart said on Monday that it expects Windows 7, now in beta, to be finalized by June or July.

(Credit: Ina Fried/CNET )

Officially, Microsoft has said only that it will have Windows 7 on the market by next January, the three-year anniversary of Windows Vista's mainstream launch. However, the company has been aiming to have it out in time to be on PCs that ship during this year's holiday shopping season. PC industry sources told CNET News last month that Microsoft continues to push toward that goal.

The release of Windows 7 should allow Microsoft to make $1.5 billion in additional revenue, Aggarwal said, with nearly $1 billion coming from the upgrade market and as much as $680 million possible if Microsoft is able to increase the number of premium versions of Windows being used on Netbooks.

Even with a sluggish PC market, that makes the company's shares a good investment, Aggarwal wrote in the note. "We are recommending Microsoft as our top large cap pick because at the current level risk-reward appears to be very compelling," Aggarwal said.

Clearly not all is rosy, Aggarwal noted. "There is no doubt that the trends with PC shipments and Netbooks will get worse for at least the next 2 (quarters) but both of these concerns are now largely reflected in the stock price," he said.

During her years at CNET News, Ina Fried has changed beats several times, changed genders once, and covered both of the Pirates of Silicon Valley. These days, most of her attention is focused on Microsoft. E-mail Ina.


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by rmva March 9, 2009 10:07 AM PDT
"the company has been aiming to have it out in time to be on PCs that ship during this year's holiday shopping season."

As we saw from the Vista release, vendors were able to install the new OS on all their hardware between the time retail stores closed one day and reopened the next .
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by SebDavies March 9, 2009 10:12 AM PDT
Sounds hopeful! Really hope they do a family pack of the OS for cheap like Apple do!
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by sanenazok March 9, 2009 11:54 AM PDT
Who knows, maybe they will. MS does sell "family" Office for students and teachers, so it could also be for the OS. You have to remember that there's usually no real reason to upgrade to another MS OS, you just use whatever the computer comes with. Hence home users don't really need special upgrade pricing. BTW: I'm happily using Vista at home and at work.
by achernow March 9, 2009 10:13 AM PDT
I don't know what to think about Windows 7. I've been a Mac user since 2003. Maybe useful for my Netbook? Bootcamp staying XP! (I also Twitter @replied this.)

-Adam
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by nopinktoday March 9, 2009 10:46 AM PDT
Eh, if you often find yourself using your netbook. Other than that you can always "TEST" Win7 on bootcamp and see if your like it better than XP. =)
by goodspeed8701 March 9, 2009 11:52 AM PDT
give windows 7 a try and you will like it.
by streamline35 March 9, 2009 8:37 PM PDT
Give it a try and see what you think!
by superaznman March 10, 2009 1:22 PM PDT
remember that win 7 is more resource intensive than xp. this would probably affect its performance in bootcamp.
by BNUX March 9, 2009 10:50 AM PDT
Bha!!! If I have to waist money, have to be in something good performance, trusty and stable, like Mac OSX Leopard or the new Mac Snow Leopard OSX.

I test Windows 7 Beta and is crap. Confess that looks better than Vista, but is crap anyway. Windows is a OS good for sheep's who are afraid to try something new. I will not change my OS Ubuntu Linux 8.10 / 8.04 from my work laptop and desktop. With Wine or Crossover for linux, everybody can use the windows applications in Linux, if you do not found equal application for linux (hardly to happen), I begin to believe since I use Ubuntu as my main Desktop OS, that I will never return to Windows, except for gaming. :-)
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by ewsachse March 9, 2009 11:03 AM PDT
"waist money"?

Maybe if you stop dicking around with 500 different OSes and just use the computer to do some real work, you will not "waist money".
by Rolker March 9, 2009 11:08 AM PDT
Windows 7 (and for this purpose, Vista too) is a great OS. As a user, it just does what I want it to do - run programs with ease.
Your statement is in contrast to most people's comments, which say that Win 7 is working just fine and it is a good OS.
If you don't like it, don't use it.
The main question is why to use boot camp or Crossover to run programs, when you just can simply run Wnodws nativly?
I guess that the "sheep" (as you call most consumers) just want their life to be simple, and for their OS to work with everything they want.
by Mr. Dee March 9, 2009 11:49 AM PDT
You are one of those individuals whose dad buys everything on the planet for them but don't know how to use it. When you are ready to grow up instead of letting mom and dad buy everything for you, then you will realize how much of a crap called Mac OS you have been using for years. You can't even give a good explanation of why its crap to you, shows how little you know.
by Mark_Anderson March 9, 2009 12:18 PM PDT
"I will never return to Windows, except for gaming"

I think that's where your argument imploded.
by Vegaman_Dan March 9, 2009 12:28 PM PDT
I need to understand your comments here. You say you will not change your OS (Ubuntu Linux) from your work laptop or desktop, but you also say if you had to waste money, you would spend that on something with good performance, trusty and stable, like Mac OS X.

Does this mean you feel that Ubuntu is not stable or worth of spending money on? Why do you feel it is a waste of money to buy OS X for a Macintosh?

Your comments are contradictory and tend to suggest that you have not actually tested Windows on anything at all. The lack of consistency in your comments mark mark you as a troll until you are able to clear this up and present a clear and simple statement.
by CrashPad63 March 9, 2009 12:52 PM PDT
Your concepts of good and performance leave alot for interpretation! You use Ubuntu, talk about losing productive time on that hog. Then you use Iphone 3G and you lose even more productive time, 0 productivity apps on Iphone, no exchange, no background apps, no cut and paste. Need I go on
You call yourself IT engineer and yet you cant grasp what productivity is? In the future you really shoulf think before posting to a MS blog. Really you have nothing relevant to add to this conversation.
by ncalishome March 9, 2009 1:50 PM PDT
"if you do not found equal application for linux (hardly to happen)"

I almost shot my sip of coffee out my nose. You're kidding yourself.
by ace10134 March 9, 2009 3:32 PM PDT
Wow, since when are Mac's stable?? I can't put any trust in them.

Also, Mac's have 15% of the virus vulnrabilities while Vista only has 5%. That throws away any argument that Mac's are more secure.

Those statistics were from a CNET article a while back. The only reason that people say that Macs don't get any viruses is because so few people use a Mac. If there is a large percentage using Windows PC's and a small percentage using Mac's, which would a virus writter attack? Of course the PC's. So, therefore, Macs aren't any more secure than Windows PC's.
by Willie_The_Pimp March 9, 2009 11:34 PM PDT
Can anyone make sense of this comment, or is it just a random collection of words?
by sharmajunior March 13, 2009 8:58 AM PDT
If you don't want to waste money, then how come you have to buy the new OS that Apple will release because of no backwards compatibility with the one you have. If you need a piece of software that is released for the later version, it does not work with the previous one. You would rather spend money on that.

Regarding the line "Windows is a OS good for sheep's who are afraid to try something new", I tried OSX, infact my first computer was a Mac (Lisa) but the new one Mac does not work for me as it is tooooooo weak. People have needs that the Mac cannot fulfill. Others just are too lazy to try something new. Just because you had a bad experience doesn't mean that everyone has to change because of you. I have to use my own custom built desktop with Windows because it is more stable on it. The new Mac just keeps freezing and crashing with the types of apps that i use and the work environment i am in. I use 64 GB of Fully buffered server grade RAM. No Apple computer (I haven't tried OSX server) can use this much on a regular machine. No my desktop isn't a server. I use 2 Quad core processors, can you use 2 processors in a Mac. That's what i thought.

You should be careful when you cite your opinions. You could have written the same thing but by wording it differently. WIndows or Apple or Linux bashing isn't a good thing on any forum. All of them have some things that the others don't.

About using Wine in linux. It works okay but it can't execute heavy apps. It slows down everything and is eeven worse than windows at times.
by XPSTEADY March 9, 2009 11:09 AM PDT
Windows 7 is just a code name for Vista. XP works and does what I want it to do and when it breaks i can fix it. My next OS that i have to learn will not be windows7ieVista but lunix and i wont want to downgrade anything and playing games will be in XP or WINE.
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by sanenazok March 9, 2009 11:52 AM PDT
Geez, everyone here is very proud of you, wow your revelation is choosing what OS you'll put on your computer. What a novel idea...where did you come up with it. Probably some sort of genius school.

If you don't like Windows 7 or think it's the same as Vista then be happily on your way. Nobody will make you use it.
by Mark_Anderson March 9, 2009 12:19 PM PDT
I think this is the same guy as BNUX. It's either that or we have two crack babies on our hands.
by Vegaman_Dan March 9, 2009 12:30 PM PDT
If Windows 7 is a code name for Vista, you may want to tell Microsoft that since they sure don't seem to know about it and they make the product. :)

Perhaps you may want to stay with your 'lunix'.
by CrashPad63 March 9, 2009 1:02 PM PDT
Wow where to start with you!!!! Go back to Linus and tell him you failed. More importantly do you really want the world to know how ignorant you really are?
by whizkid454 March 9, 2009 1:19 PM PDT
I surely wouldn't want to find out what "Lunix" is. Chances are it doesn't run Crysis.
by tcr071 March 9, 2009 11:08 PM PDT
XPSTEADY must be a code name for "moron."
by sharmajunior March 13, 2009 9:05 AM PDT
LOL....HAHAHAHAHAHAHA....you are hilarious. See what half or no information about something does to people. THey end up on forums making a complete jack@ss of themselves.

BTW....becoz Microsoft released Vista in a hurry and it wasn't ready, they took some time to get things right and are now revealing all of the features they had planned to release earlier with this release.

Windows 7 is codenamed Vienna which I wouldn't argue is the sister to Vista. But tell me something are every brother and sister the same? Are you and your brother/sister the same? Sure there are some similarities. There has always been some similarities with every version of windows to the next.
by AppleSuxLeo March 9, 2009 11:43 AM PDT
I just built a new system for it and am ready to "go7".
AAPL continues to slide as MSFT was up again today. Got 7 ? New ad slogan !
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by belchmelch March 9, 2009 1:29 PM PDT
Who cares what AAPL stock does... it's down on LOW VOLUME...

I am tired of AAPL lovers and haters mentioning anything about the stock in relation to bad news. MSFT has no buyers themselves... MSFT is also down. But again who cares, their VOLUME is below their daily average... AND it's all manipulated.

Anyway, Windows 7 seems to be a nice upgrade... people here are too close minded. I happily use Windows & Macs.

Your point is that you're excited to use Windows 7. Fine... And their new ads finally make sense... i still wonder about '7's' security.
by Seaspray0 March 11, 2009 8:00 PM PDT
But the stock price is important! It tells you.... well, it tells you something! And that's important! And don't you forget that!
by tfkfan March 9, 2009 11:57 AM PDT
i cant wait to walk into best buy, ask an employee where the windows 7 install discs are, have him show me, and then buy it w/ my year's allowance, a good investment wouldnt you say, totally worth it.
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by nopinktoday March 10, 2009 10:56 AM PDT
Agreed. (Gotta get me a job -_-")
by goodspeed8701 March 9, 2009 11:59 AM PDT
Windows 7 is the best os ever. mac are good but there is always a better os. i see linux i use it. its like i am using windows 98. was stable but the experience is less and the os is fake cos i dont see why i will download a codec to play my mp3. now i know why people dont want it even if its free.
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by March 9, 2009 12:28 PM PDT
Same old story. The "next" version of Windows will be the best ever. Yeah right.
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by pithenumber March 9, 2009 1:16 PM PDT
try it

it is the best OS ever
by jedmmj11 March 10, 2009 2:53 AM PDT
obviously its going to be the best ever! If Vista was the best ever (which i'm sure millions of apple fanatics will try to infect my "insecure pc fpr writing"), and 7 is better than that, then it is the best ever. Difficult logic, huh?
by Ebeale March 9, 2009 12:33 PM PDT
I can't wait for Windows 7. It should help netbooks sales and get XP users to an OS thats not 8 years old. No matter what Microsoft does Apple users will continue to think they can walk on water. If I had to bet most Apple users voted for Obama.
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by mainchain March 9, 2009 1:46 PM PDT
It seems like a lot of Windows users voted for Obama too
by Nataku4ca March 9, 2009 9:36 PM PDT
please... leave politics out of here

if mac user = majority of users then ur statement might hold true, but dude =.= count....
by Nataku4ca March 9, 2009 9:36 PM PDT
please... leave politics out of here
by Nataku4ca March 9, 2009 9:37 PM PDT
bah... someone fix(remove) that first comment for me
by celticbrewer March 10, 2009 5:51 AM PDT
"It seems like a lot of Windows users voted for Obama too"

That'd run counter to logic, now, wouldn't it?
by sharmajunior March 13, 2009 9:10 AM PDT
@ mainchain

First get me figures, graph charts what ever kind of data you can.

SO what you mean is that people who use windows are unpatriotic because they voted for Obama. People who use Mac are more patriotic because they voted for McCain.....LOL


Its people like you who keep comedy in forums and make other people's day.
by March 9, 2009 12:35 PM PDT
"If you don't like Windows 7 or think it's the same as Vista then be happily on your way. Nobody will make you use it."

Not True. Microsoft will do anything in its power to push the new OS, and you won't have a choice. It will be pre-installed on all machines. It'll be the only MS OS sold in stores. Older versions will be "unsupported". If you prefer an older MS operating system, you are out of luck.

"Windows 7 Ultimate Downgrade XP pre-installed"
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by homercles82 March 9, 2009 12:42 PM PDT
You are a dope
by pithenumber March 9, 2009 1:17 PM PDT
why would you not want Windows7?
by random truth March 9, 2009 1:45 PM PDT
@pithenumer
If your applications did not work with vista as is. Do you know how much the cost is to redevelop your proprietory software for your company again.
by sanenazok March 9, 2009 3:55 PM PDT
@truty: it sounds like the problem is the proprietary software which was apparently designed to be non-maintainable. This was bound to happen, which is why we have virtual machines. What is this software? Does it rely on 16-bit printer drivers? Sounds kinda made up to me, in all honesty. Except for not being able to run 16-bit apps on a 64-bit system I have not had a single problem with Vista software compatibility.
by dhavleak March 9, 2009 5:12 PM PDT
@ anonymous:

"Not True. Microsoft will do anything in its power to push the new OS, and you won't have a choice. It will be pre-installed on all machines. It'll be the only MS OS sold in stores. Older versions will be "unsupported". If you prefer an older MS operating system, you are out of luck."

1. If you buy a Mac how will MS force you to put windows on it?
2. If you buy a PC/laptop without windows installed (look for machines with Linux pre-installed on Dell.com for example) how will MS force you to put windows on it?
3. If you continue to use your existing computer, how will MS force you to install Windows 7 on it?
4. If you assemble your own PC how will MS force you to install Windows on it?
5. Windows XP will be supported until 2014.
6. Windows Vista will be supported well beyond that date (can't remember the exact date now).

And lastly - either go troll elsewhere or at least try to post something insightful or original or at least something less blinded by hate if you're not going to be original.
by random truth March 9, 2009 6:18 PM PDT
@sanenazok
The company that I work for was smart enough to make everything web based from the start. However that is a reason why people would not want windows seven. An example of this would be subway. They are forced to continue to use xp or lower for their cash registers, because the software will not run on vista because of changes to the location of system files, changes to private api, and uac. Just the licensing fee's to rewrite the software would cost multiple millions of dollars, which will not happen in this economy.
by DrtyDogg March 9, 2009 7:24 PM PDT
@random: " location of system files, changes to private api, and uac" Smells like poop to me, if it was written correctly for XP than file locations should not be an issue, read up on Microsoft's best practices. Private API, huh. UAC. Again there would be no need for a UAC prompt after installation in that sort of application. Again if it written correctly.
by random truth March 10, 2009 1:27 AM PDT
@Drtydog
Here is a nice long article about them that gets into much detail.
http://www.informationweek.com/news/windows/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=199100836
by celticbrewer March 10, 2009 5:57 AM PDT
I agree, I've had ZERO problems running software (even pre-2000 software) on Vista 32 and 64.

And who cares about Subway cash registers? For something that specialized, they should just stick to what works. Some CNC machinery I used to work on still runs on DOS. If the software vendor hasn't upgraded in a decade, I don't see how that's MS's fault.
by sanenazok March 10, 2009 7:13 AM PDT
The point of sale (POS) equipment doesn't need to be upgraded until it starts failing and then it will just be replaced by a upgraded system. It's really the vendor's fault for adopting something that's apparently unsupported. Also, even if it means millions in upgrade costs, you know that comes down to $20-$30 per store. In other words, much less then if these stores were independently run and needed to obtain their own POS software, since small business POS software costs ~200 per year.
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by myles taylor March 9, 2009 12:36 PM PDT
What I don't get is why even though Apple is making money, has more money in the bank, is exceeding expectations, is on track to have it's own new OS out soon, etc, etc, analysts are calling out that it will be doing bad shortly.

Microsoft has had several failed products recently, the Zune isn't doing well, is losing in the search market, is constantly dancing around a merger of some kind with yahoo!, just laid off 5000 workers, etc etc and their new OS "might" be out early and therefore they are a good investment. Even if I thought Microsoft was awesome and Apple sucked as an investor Apple still looks more attractive. I don't get it. I guess I'm just not that bright.
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by homercles82 March 9, 2009 12:43 PM PDT
Apple products are so expensive they are considered a luxury by many. I can get a PC for $350
by scottthesculptor March 9, 2009 1:02 PM PDT
Apples's OS share quadrupled after Vista came out.
It really is that bad.
A significant number of users have downgraded to XP (NT-5.2).
An insignifcant number have switched to Apple or Linux.
Lot's of people are attempting to skip Vista (NT-6.0)
If 7 (NT-7.0) isn't all hype . . . it should sell like hotcakes.
Apple doesn't have a new OS that will potentially sell billions of copies (thousands - maybe).
Apple OS users still don't get that they are an incredibly small minority - even Linux has bigger share.
by DoBoy March 9, 2009 1:12 PM PDT
I think the doom and gloom predictions for Apple are for two reasons.

First, Steve Jobs' health woes. The last time Jobs left the company, Apple went into the tank (John Scully & Gil Amelio, anyone?). Jobs seems to be the key visionary for the company. If he goes/leaves, that really hurts Apple going forward.

Second, the current economy. Apple's gear, nice though it is, carries premium-pricing. Most folks aren't willing to spend $2000-3000 on a nice PowerBook when then can get a pretty decently performing PC-compatible for half that.

I'm not an industry guru, etc., but that's my take on what's going on.
by scottthesculptor March 9, 2009 1:18 PM PDT
oops - "7" is NT-6.1
Yep, could be just a service pack applied to Vista.
But you don't get money for a service pack . . .
by ncalishome March 9, 2009 1:23 PM PDT
Apple owes a lot of their flush bank accounts to iPod, iPhone, and other consumer products. You can get an iPhone for really cheap these days and in this slumping economy I doubt as many people are out buying new iPods. Vista was not without problems by any means, but the perception of it was and is made worse by the brutally good marketing strategy by Apple. I've been running Vista very smoothly (admittedly on pretty high end hardware) almost since it came out and it has lots of improvements (mainly stability) over XP and I would never switch back. If Vista was an incremental step towards Win7 and Win7 is as good as I keep hearing it is Microsoft will regain some esteem and sell a lot of copies. IMHO the analysts have thought this one through.
by RMarch March 9, 2009 3:15 PM PDT
MS changed the internal version number of the OS from 7 to 6.1 based directly on customer feedback and usage analytics. They saw that a significant number of installation programs were coded incorrectly and hardcoded a block for all versions above Windows version 6.x. Because the backwards compatibility is backed into Windows 7 because they did not change the driver model and other core features, this was a great move to allow even poorly coded intallers to run on Windows 7.
by dhavleak March 9, 2009 5:20 PM PDT
@ myles taylor --

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yJObWmN-x9I
(in short - you're fine; the analysts are full of ****)

When it comes to Apple stock in particular, I think what's happened is that the current price had factored in many years of continued growth at the same rate that Apple experienced from 2000 to 2008, and now it's looking like that might not be the case, so the stock price is now reflecting that new reality.
by reya276 March 10, 2009 7:32 AM PDT
LOL, you clowns on this site kill me for sure, what you guys fail to see is that the Media is pushing Windows 7 and the company. It does not seem obvious to you. Lets put it this way MS is not just a software company they are also an advertising company they know how to spin everything to their advantage, The whole Windows Vista debacle was a front for Windows 7. The trick is to get an OS out there get idiots to buy it such as myself and use us as test dummies for the next version. This has been happening since windows 3.11. But for some reason everyone seems to forget.

Its ok to be a Windows Fan-boy but please be an objective one, don't just act like Windows 7 is the mother of all OS. I will see most of you complaining when it launches on this very site about something being wrong with the OS, count on it. On the Net-book side Windows 7 will only run a max of 3 applications at one time and this will hurt it because again most of you fan-boys will ***** about it. So if it such a great OS why the limitations? Ubuntu does not restrict anything and it comes loaded with all kinds of applications. And I read somewhere here about some Mp3 stuff not working, absolutely not true, Ubuntu can run all kinds of codecs and then some windows won't. As far as OSX it rocks it is a very solid OS compare to that other OS. The only issue with OSX is that it is a Monopoly just like Windows. The sad part about most of you is that you do not value your FREEDOM, you can't think for yourselves and won't think for yourselves. You have no sense of what Privacy means when a PC phones in to Big brother about what your doing and what your listening and viewing (DRM). But sure it is your FREEDOM not Mine.
by Mark_Anderson March 10, 2009 2:59 PM PDT
"So if it such a great OS why the limitations? "

Did you actually read any of the articles about W7?

Sheesh.
by monkeyfun14 March 10, 2009 3:46 PM PDT
@reya


It sends home to verify your not pirating

Your life doesn't mean **** to MS for them to try and steal info from you this whole conspiracy crap is ridiculous.
by Renegade Knight March 9, 2009 1:13 PM PDT
Paid for a Vista Upgrade that didn't do the job. What was MicroSofts solution? Refuse support and then tell us all that "7" is the magic pill. I will not be upgrading to 7. I may delay a purchase to get 7 on it as a native OS rather than Vista. Lets hope that 7 doesn't need a fix otherwise we will all be waiting for "8".
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by sanenazok March 9, 2009 3:56 PM PDT
What job didn't Vista do? I guess it didn't run on ancient hardware, but that's not MS's problem.
by dhavleak March 9, 2009 5:30 PM PDT
@ Renegade Knight

Your comment is quite simply a lie. There is no way in the world that MS has already trained it's support staff on anything related to Windows 7. There is simply no way in the world they would resolve your issue with "wait for 7".
by Mark_Anderson March 10, 2009 2:59 PM PDT
RK has a habit of making statements like the one above and then completely failing to back them up.

You get used to it after a while.
by monkeyfun14 March 10, 2009 3:47 PM PDT
Oh im sure a call to MS about Vista wouldn't get me tech support telling me to wait for 7
by random truth March 9, 2009 1:42 PM PDT
Since when have analysts proven they know **** about release dates...
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by byl01 March 9, 2009 2:04 PM PDT
Based on the XP cycle, I'd say it will take Windows 7 about 1 1/2 - 2 years to become usable (i.e. to support enough hardware and have enough Vista-compatible applications). So, unless you are going to replace most of your hardware and software by late 2010, it may be a good idea to buy a copy of XP while it's still available. At least it will do its job on a (relatively) spartan set of hardware. Of course, you won't have the Aero interface, but, if you are doing something useful on your computer, you shouldn't be staring at the empty desktop anyway.
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by byl01 March 9, 2009 2:06 PM PDT
Correction: I meant "7-compatible" applications, not "Vista-compatible". By the way, what should we call a Windows 7-capable PC? A 7-Up machine?
by tcr071 March 9, 2009 11:06 PM PDT
Right. How about you do a little research before advising people to pick up an 8 year old operating system.

Every program, game, application, driver, etc that works on Windows Vista will work on Windows 7. Read that again slowly. The last three years developers spent updating all of their hardware with new Vista drivers, updating applications, updating games, etc will pay off because they will all be compatible DAY ONE on Windows 7.
by Swimatm March 12, 2009 7:35 PM PDT
Man, you don't know a thing about computers. And if you've been following any tech news, you'd know that 7 will run on older machines than vista can run on. I'm running it right now on my 6 year old Dell.
by softwarepro March 9, 2009 2:09 PM PDT
moment they release the pro version of windows 7 I am going to place order for new laptop..

I am holding myself even I am software developer (need new one) but no way with Vista..
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by planetjeffy March 9, 2009 2:29 PM PDT
I'm been using Vista for the last month on a fast new Core2duo notebook w/3g ram - and it's just fine. It boots and shuts down fast and never crashes - like XP used to on my older single core notebook. I imagine 7 is the OS they wanted to put out, but were overwhelmed with security and legacy issues. If MS wiped the slate clean and didn't have to worry about running really old (mostly business) applications (like Apple), then we would have a much more nimble system. However, the same wankers that whine about Vista and pump Apple would be whining about not being able to run a crappy 20 year old program they should have replaced.
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by BNUX March 9, 2009 5:36 PM PDT
Shame on you! This indevidual is a 37 years old who do not have a dad to buy anything, I never had a dad and since young I have to learn to think by myself. This indevidual have to work and to study hard. Now I am very sucess with my IT carrear so when I say windows is crap, I know very well what I am saying. Like I said before sheeps... Sorry my English but Is not my main language. If there anything I hate in this world is limited minds. Windows is crap! Linux is great, unix is better and Mac OSX is also a great and well constructed. About work in Linux I have office, I have SSH, I have VPN, I have Oracle, I have network tools, I have photo software, I have Java, etc... Everything exists in Linux works 300% faster and do not crash.
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by ncalishome March 9, 2009 7:25 PM PDT
From the sounds of the tools you use for your job I bet Linux is a great environment for you. I know many people like you living mostly in a *nix admin world and yes, good for you Linux works great. There is another 99.9% of users out there where the tools you are not what they need for what they do, and the open source applications available are too immature and/or plain crappy to replace what's available on other platforms. I know many, many people who install Ubuntu or something like that and just get tired of the hoops you have to jump through and the lack of high quality software that falls more into the "consumer" category. In your original post you say "equal software". Is there equal software to Photoshop for Linux? Nope. Equal office software to Microsoft Office or even iWork? I don't think so. OpenOffice for example is charming, but not even close to equal to commercial alternatives.

Shame on you for calling everyone who uses Windows "sheep's who are afraid to try something new". I'm not afraid to try something new, I have an Ubuntu machine, Mac with OS X Leopard, and a Vista x64 machine. I primarily use my Windows machine because it has everything I need in one OS and it doesn't crash. I use my Mac when I need Photoshop because my license is on there. I spend most of my time writing code in Eclipse, and I really don't think running Ubuntu will make me 300% faster. You asked for the insult by being simple minded and arrogant.
by CrashPad63 March 11, 2009 10:44 AM PDT
bnux, right back at ya there kid. Learn to respect others opinions and be flexible. There are no I repeat no absolutes in life, except for paying taxes and dying. You sir have a very skewed look on what is fact and fiction.
Futhermore to not pretend to lecture, your opinion is duly noted and very biased toward Linux, we get that.
I question you again how you can be so closed to MSA and be on a MS blog. Seems like Don Quioxte to me.
by irperez March 9, 2009 8:02 PM PDT
Can't wait for 7! Looks like they got it right. Who says they don't listen.

And the one thing they have that Apple doesn't is a huge developer army. And I'm not talkinga bout their employees, but rather all the people who develop on the windows platform vs the Mac platform. More software out there for windows than for Macs. And lately Microsoft has gotten very open and very social in the developer industry. I've never seen it like this before. Us developers get to try the technology years before it comes out. Can't wait for .Net 4.0 and Silverlight 3 which is coming out later this year too.
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by Angmarr March 9, 2009 8:46 PM PDT
CANT w8 ... this is gonna be good, and turn of the tide.
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by reya276 March 10, 2009 7:53 AM PDT
Turn of the tide? What tide is that? Because the last I recall windows has been the dominant OS on this planet or more like the U.S but if you mean the Linux tide then maybe or the OSX tide maybe but the Windows tide not so sure, there is nothing new about Windows 7, KDE 4.1-4.2 is exactly like the Windows 7 interface. I wonder where MS got it from? Also everything that windows does it can be done in Ubuntu now or OSX. So I just don't see that tide your talking about.

I mean I wonder when people talk about quality software do they mean the eye candy or functionality. The last I recall I can't save any files in MS Office to a PDF format unless you have Adobe Acrobat install while Open Office does this just fine. Oh I know you you people meant, is the APA format that does it for you right, since you don't have to think or do anything on your part. I get it, is the thinking that bothers you not the software. I use OpenOffice all the time no issues at all. It is compatible with all MS office format except for that *.docx crap which 2007 has trouble with.

For graphics I use GIMP which works just fine and is pretty close to Photshop when use for web graphics. If for print stick to photoshop. Lets face it though how many home users use photoshop for commercial printing, huh not I. As far as media is concern again everything is there in Ubuntu. Even that Dorvak guy from PC mag says Ubuntu(linux) has hit critical mass. All of you guys are all "I love windows 7" ooh this "OS is so great" sounds a lot like when vista first showed its ugly head. So I look forward to seeing most of you complaining as usually about your PC was turned into a bot or you can't save a file because you get an IO error or can't connect your device because the driver that came with it just won't work. Oh boy here we go again!
by Seaspray0 March 11, 2009 8:20 PM PDT
Critical mass? The linux desktop (all linux distro's combined) is less than 1% market share. That's critical mass? I think it's a good OS, but I don't see critical mass yet. It still doesn't get the attention from developers that a good OS should. The GPL has not been kind to developers (who like to get paid).
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