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October 3, 2008 8:00 PM PDT

Amazon's Kindle 2 leaked

by David Carnoy

Old Kindle meet the new Kindle?

(Credit: Boy Genius Report)

After rumors surfaced on the Web a few months back that a new Kindle might be on the way, Amazon.com did its best to shoot them down, saying a new Kindle was not coming this year. Well, Boy Genius Report has gotten a hold of some photos that appear to be the Kindle 2, so we're curious what Amazon has to say now.

From the looks of the new device, Amazon has tried to address some of the criticisms of the Kindle, most of which revolve around its somewhat homely design and a few poorly placed buttons. The shape has been modified to make the new Kindle more attractive, but it appears Amazon is sticking with the same off-white color scheme--for better or worse.

Old back versus new back.

(Credit: Boy Genius Report)

The Boy Genius Report's mole or "ninja," has some comments about the new Kindle. First, ninja says the device is basically the same size as the older model, but is thinner and has "a slightly heavier feel, and it feels much sturdier." The source indicates the new model uses the same cellular EV-DO network for downloads (it's Sprint's network in the current model) and a metal back is visible in some of the pictures. I particularly appreciated the look of the new leather carrying pouch for the device, since I don't like the existing Kindle's protective case. There are more photos here.

Boy Genius Report also notes:

As far as buttons go, on the right side, the bottoms from top to bottom are: Home, Next Page, Menu, a joystick, and Undo. On the left side, there's Previous, Page, and Next Page. We're told the buttons are significantly smaller, to avoid accidental page turning. The joystick takes the place of the scroll wheel and it "takes a little getting used to." As far as the redesigned keyboard...it "has a good layout, but lettering on the keys could be darker." Continuing our tour around the unit, next to the sliding sleep button, there's the headphone jack, and on the right-side edge you've got the volume up/down buttons. What's interesting (and you can see this in the photos) is that the backside of the unit is mostly metal, with the speakers at the bottom of the back. One more plus? They've finally ditched their own charger. The Kindle 2 can be charged with a miniUSB cable.

No word on when the next-generation Kindle will arrive, whether there will be a European model, or how much it will cost. However, I have a feeling we'll soon get an announcement from Amazon--if indeed this turns out to be a real product that will go up against the upcoming Sony Reader, the PRS-700, which features a touch-screen display and will hit stores next month in time for the holiday buying season.

As always, feel free to post your comments. What do you think of the design of the alleged Kindle 2? And how much do you think it will cost?

Hunkered down in New York City, Executive Editor David Carnoy covers the gamut of gadgets and writes his Fully Equipped column, which carries the tag line "The electronics you lust for." He's also the author of "Knife Music," a novel. E-mail David. Follow David on Twitter.
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by gefitz October 3, 2008 10:04 PM PDT
I know what it SHOULD cost...a heckuva lot less than the first Kindle...Tech companies need to think more about the Gillette model: sell the razor for cheap, and make money off of the blades. Getting people in the door is a better way to get people into a good product...then make bank off the content!
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by ktseymour October 5, 2008 10:19 AM PDT
I think some of the cost is going toward the free wireless? Either way.. I agree, this should not cost as much as is dose for what it is- which is, some really outdated tech dating from the 60's selling for a modern price- , and they are making way to much on the content.. allot of which is free to begin with. The 9.99 price point for the News rags and Mags is way too much when you can get the print, in addition to the online content cheaper! Good Idea brought down but the usual sticking point... greed...
by SpudRat3 October 5, 2008 11:30 PM PDT
Those guys all went into the printer business!
by jorge_malagon October 6, 2008 12:45 PM PDT
Yeah, drop the price to $50, and when you see the price of the books, you will say, kmon!!! the books must be cheaper than the hardware!!! I´m wrong??
by jtrue1952 October 7, 2008 12:13 PM PDT
The problem with "making bank off the content" is that after you get the Kindle, you never have to buy content from Amazon, and still have thousands of books to read. The Kindle can read ebooks that you can download free from the Internet.
by lucasrodrigues February 9, 2009 4:07 PM PST
What you said it totally true. Neither Amazon or Apple think like Gillette does.

Anyway, like an iPhone, it still is the hottest device out there. Amazon has put it for pre-order:

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00154JDAI?ie=UTF8&tag=g1ca-20&linkCode=as2&camp=1789&creative=390957&creativeASIN=B00154JDAI
by riffraffy October 3, 2008 10:27 PM PDT
"Let's look, first, at who attended. Along with the press were representatives of Harlequin, Penguin, Random House, Hachette and Harper Collins. What does that tell you?"

"In addition, Steve Haber, President of Sony's Digital Reading Business Division, reported that there will be a major update to their ebook store by the end of October, including a better look and a vastly improved search function. He said that there are currently about 50,000 books in the store and he is going to have about 100,000 by the holiday season. (Note the publishers I mentioned above.)"

"Last year Sony had about 700 outlets for the Reader, this year they are expecting to have about 3,000 in the holiday season. Further, they have hired 1,000 people to do in-store trials and demos and to introduce the public to the Reader."

"Two further things. The new Reader is fast, fast and faster. Compared to the older Reader and the Kindle it is like a Ferrari vs. a bicycle. It is amazing how quick it is. Also, there is no flicker or "blink" when you change pages. This is a major ergonomic improvement over earlier versions. A representative of E-ink, who makes the screen, was at the event and I cornered him and asked him how Sony accomplished this. He said it was a combination of Sony proprietary technology and some small improvements in the E-ink screen. Primarily, he said, this is a result of Sony's expertise in writing an optimized driver and in designing the display chip and optimizing timing issues. This, I would guess, is going to be extremely difficult for competitors to do for themselves."

"Finally, there will be a wireless version. Steve said this is down the road because they want to launch wireless on a open platform. That is one that will have different bookstores and book suppliers, not just the Sony store. This will take a bit of time to set up. No target date was given."

http://www.teleread.org/blog/2008/10/03/new-sony-reader-and-a-renewed-commitment/
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by centauraquilon October 7, 2008 3:16 PM PDT
A reader with text to speech and a dictionary *** thesarus could be a seller, do you not think?.
by gainmindsharedotcom October 3, 2008 10:43 PM PDT
If it doesn't deal with pdfs successfully, it is only a minor improvement.
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by jsawmill October 4, 2008 4:12 AM PDT
It distresses me that Amazon has stayed with sprint since there many places in the continent. USA that are not covered. To note: I happen to live in one of those dead spots. It appears that along the interstate system within about 5 miles coverage is fair away from there the coverage is nil. Since I can not connect to Amazon's whispernet I can not use many of the functions that are supposed to be available, consequently my interest in a kindle 2 would be minimal at best and probably close to zero.
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by lorax2 October 4, 2008 5:31 AM PDT
The major problem of the Reader for me is it was tied to the PC and Microsoft ( I use only Apple and Linux). The major problem of the Kindle for me is the fact you can't easily put your own pdfs (my own documents) on it and its high price ( What about the razor vs. razor blade strategy?) If the new Reader breaks away from PC and MS or the new Kindle makes itself pdf-friendly and both reduce their price - then I might buy one of them. Otherwise, the library and the bookstore still work for me.
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by sgrmba October 4, 2008 6:52 AM PDT
You can use the Kindle on a Mac - I do. It is just an external USB drive to the system. There are instructions about using it on a Mac at their support site for the Kindle on Amazon.
by AListener October 6, 2008 1:06 PM PDT
lorax2, you can send any pdf to your kindle address and it's instantly converted to Kindle format. While that costs 10 cents, I've not been charged. You can also send the pdf to the free-service and it's sent, converted to your computer, and then you usb it over.

The cost has been made up, in my case by the 24/7 wireless access to the web, klunky though it be. I can show people webpages anywhere I am, as long as they're not whiz-bang pages filled with graphics and animation.
It recognizes javascript. 24/7 access with no monthly or per-minute charges is nice.
by geneven October 6, 2008 5:11 PM PDT
The major problem for the Kindle for me is that it is oriented toward non-free content. I prefer free! I use my N800 to read stuff now, and it works well, but I might go for the Reader.
by az-willie October 4, 2008 7:44 AM PDT
Check out ebookwise.com.

They have been selling a very nice ebook reader for a couple of years now.

Works great.

Much less expensive than Kindle and Sony too.
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by twolf2919 October 4, 2008 9:23 AM PDT
I guess "works great" is subjective. According to the web site, it uses a "half VGA" screen (since VGA is 640x480, I assume they mean 320x240...that's pathetic; even my old Palm TT had 480x320) and based on LCD - so you won't be reading for very long before you have to recharge somewhere....so, it's basically a PDA...and a pretty limited one at that.
by hobbes1971 December 25, 2008 10:11 AM PST
twolf2919:

Your Palm is "Half VGA." 320x240 is actually 1/4 VGA.
by buggermenot October 4, 2008 7:49 AM PDT
What a klutz. This is not something I want to hold in bed.
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by ramsey987 October 4, 2008 8:32 AM PDT
lorax2 - Just because you have a Mac doesn't mean you can't use a Kindle. You can order books from any computer or mobile browser (iPhone if you're an Apple fan) on Amazon using your Amazon account. You can turn on your Kindle for a few seconds any time you are in a Sprint coverage area and your books will automatically download in seconds. Software updates are wirelessly delivered to the Kindle as well. Most Kindle users have never connected it their computers.
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by jcassara October 5, 2008 6:31 AM PDT
He was commenting on the Sony Reader's incompatibility with MacOS and Linux, not the Kindle.
by SpinWebber October 4, 2008 11:50 AM PDT
I have had excellent results with the Kindle and travel a great deal. Additional speed for page turning would be a technical issue not important for normal use. The button design (page turning) would be an improvement although the learning curve is short and misuse is minimized with continued use. Improved graphics, charts and lists would be desirable. PDF would be a major improvement.
The sample feature (for books) offered by Amazon is excellent. It provides a preview of the the writers style and storyline and prevents buying books already read.
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by dwimmer38 October 4, 2008 12:12 PM PDT
I had a kindle for a couple of weeks and ended up sending it back. I loved the concept but the buttons were poorly placed and I kept hitting them by accident. I think if Amazon fixes the buttons and brings the price down to around $200 then they will have a winner on their hands. I would be afraid to buy the Sony because I think their Ebook could go the way of the Toshiba HD-DVD. I buy all my books on amazon anyways so the kindle is a logical method of ebook delivery.
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by gr3tch3n October 4, 2008 1:04 PM PDT
Until these developers and manufacturers come up with a way to have grayscale illustrations (or line drawings), and/or color, and plenty of graphics, I think I'll stick with the old timey books. I'd enjoy being able to hold and "store" something less cumbersome, but I am a very visual person (happen to be an artist), so I guess I'll still have to wait until someone comes up with the reader I need...
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by dianelaces November 29, 2008 7:45 AM PST
I've been looking all over and can't find a definitive answer to this question:
Do you see the illustrations or plates on a Kindle book?
From your comment here I assume that you cannot see them. That just kicked the Kindle down a notch for our family. My husband reads books that have drawings and plates in them and would find his books useless without them.
by xstek99 January 31, 2009 3:01 AM PST
I have plenty of technical literature and tables and diagrams are displayed as embedded pics in the text. Pictures are newspaper style, b&w daguerrotypes. It would be nic to have a zoom button, maybe kindle 2 or 3...
by Burrowl October 4, 2008 1:35 PM PDT
I like the idea of smaller buttons to minimize accidental page turning. Hate the idea of a joystick. Especially hate the carrying pouch. The stiff protective cover was poorly designed, but it gives the Kindle the comforting feel of a book AND makes it easy to prop the unit up on a flat surface when (for example) reading and eating. A pouch is useless.
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by AListener October 6, 2008 1:08 PM PDT
Did you notice the buttons are placed exactly where you'd normally hold the Kindle?

Add that it's bigger and heavier and has no room now for an SD card...
by xstek99 January 31, 2009 3:05 AM PST
With use, you become attached to holding the kindle by the corners, then the buttons offer max page turning space for thumb, second finger third finger; it becomes unconscious. I think it's a design strength, with about 20 minutes of adaptation. And there is an SD card slot under the back cover, I have an 8GB card in it, for a few thousand books. (The .azw books are a lot smaller than the .pdf books)
by Food doc October 4, 2008 2:39 PM PDT
Personally, and I may be wrong, this looks fake.
The first thing that sticks out is that there is no apparent way to turn off the wireless EV-DO (unless that is now buried in the software). You need that function to use the unit on an airplane or anywhere else where cell phones are prohibited.
Secondly, I find it very difficult to believe that Amazon would remove the SD card option and limit memory. Although you can store books purchased through Amazon on their website you have only limited ability to store magazines and cannot store articles/papers you've sent yourself. I use my SD card to warehouse those items.
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by gracels October 4, 2008 3:46 PM PDT
It's either a fake or an old one. I can't believe Amazon would take out the SD card slot, or make such a dorky looking machine. If this is real, it's an enormous step back.
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by MCOjerry October 4, 2008 5:35 PM PDT
Do you people really buy stuff like this? It's a bit of a lame product.
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by jtrue1952 October 7, 2008 12:15 PM PDT
I bought the Kindle in January, and have used it every day. I guess if you are not a heavy reader, you might consider it a lame product, but to those of us who love to read, ereaders are a wonderful product.
by mrcockrell October 4, 2008 9:24 PM PDT
its is hard to believe they would go bigger? not very likely but whats so hard to believe about them not having an SD slot? does your ipod have expandable memory? they dont care about that they want you to buy the newer model later not upgrade your memory

come to think of it downloading books to read wont really take off until its available on ipod/itunes anyway, lol
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by AbraGold October 4, 2008 10:29 PM PDT
This looks good, but I'll be spending my time/money on the android g1 first. Unless these ebook readers provide some way to access collaborative fiction sites (Storymash.com is my favorite!), tho I suppose access via android/g1 access will probably happen first.
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by jcassara October 5, 2008 6:28 AM PDT
Since I have no complaints about the Kindle 1's hardware, this update doesn't interest me much personally. But I would be eager to see what improvements await us in the new OS.
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by edpatterson October 5, 2008 11:37 AM PDT
The Kindle is on my Christmas list, at the bottom. I have quite a few PDF's that contain a lot of graphics. If the new Kindle will allow me to simply copy them to the device and not convert/mail them to myselt it will move to the top.
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by Understarsidream October 5, 2008 3:12 PM PDT
Until the reader is under a hundred dollars and the files have no DRM I'm not interested. I can go to a used book story by my house and for a half the price of a kindle get hundreds and hundreds of books because of trade ins. And I can lend them to friends, keep them if they are really special or trade them back in for more books. As it is now, a kindle is only a very expensive way to rent books.
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by geneven October 6, 2008 5:13 PM PDT
And if you are going to take a train or a plane and are not sure what you want to read, will you take 50 or so with you? I do that all the time with e-books.
by make_or_break October 24, 2008 10:04 PM PDT
Something tells me that you're EXACTLY the type a person Amazon has ZERO interest in selling to. Ya think?
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