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May 12, 2005 10:54 AM PDT

Windows for India, others won't run on faster chips

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When Microsoft said that Windows XP Starter Edition, the cut-rate version of Windows for emerging markets, was for beginning computer users, the company wasn't kidding.

The operating system will not work on computers running Intel's Pentium 4 processors or the Athlon from Advanced Micro Devices, a public relations representative said on behalf of Microsoft. Instead, it will run on computers containing Intel's Celeron chips, AMD's Duron or Geode chips, or processors from Via Technologies.

"When you try to load it onto a Pentium 4 machine, it gets to the processor ID and stops functioning," said P.R. Lakshmanan, senior vice president of Zenith Computers in Mumbai, India, who tried it as an experiment. Zenith is one of India's larger local PC makers. Starter Edition for India won't be released publicly until June.

Selective incompatibility appears to be geared at preventing Starter Edition from supplanting standard versions of Windows XP. Starter Edition doesn't support the same level of functionality as the standard Windows XP. However, PC makers have to pay only $15 to $35 for each copy, according to various PC makers in these markets. Windows XP Home costs $70 to $80 per copy and the Professional Edition costs even more.

Without the incompatibility, PC makers and dealers could potentially start bundling the OS onto computers for business customers. Microsoft does not sell the OS separately. It sells it only to PC makers, who then load it onto PCs.

"Windows XP Starter Edition is designed for beginner home computer users who are seeking a more affordable computing solution for their homes. As such, it is designed for low-cost, entry-level desktop PCs running value-based processors," a representative for Microsoft said in an e-mail.

Microsoft has released or will release versions of Starter Edition for Brazil, Malaysia, Russia, Indonesia, Thailand and India. These are some of the fastest-growing PC markets in the world, and the software is designed to make it easier for ordinary people in these markets to learn about computing.

Linux, though only a blip in the desktop market, is gaining popularity. In India, for instance, professor Jitendra Shah has translated a version of Linux and a number of applications into the regional languages of India to help villagers learn computing.

Microsoft hopes to use Starter Edition to familiarize these markets with its products. Plus, because these countries are also havens for piracy, the Redmond, Wash.-based software maker wants to use perks such as bug patches and alerts to demonstrate the value of legal software.

Sales, though, have been somewhat slow to date in the countries where Starter Edition has been released. Thailand PC makers have sold it since October, while the OS has been available in Malaysia and Indonesia since February.

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Pathetic
by pcLoadLetter May 12, 2005 11:12 AM PDT
So new computer users should not be buying computers with high-end hardware?

The arrogance, and short-sightedness of MS never ceases to amaze, surprise and amuse.
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Quite logical
by Dandy55 May 12, 2005 1:49 PM PDT
Nobody tells users what they should or should not buy.
Really, cheap Starter Edition is for cheap hardware, for people who can't afford expensive computers, but if you are ready to spend your money on advanced hardware you probably can afford full version of XP Home Edition for extra $50.
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Pathetic
by pcLoadLetter May 12, 2005 11:12 AM PDT
So new computer users should not be buying computers with high-end hardware?

The arrogance, and short-sightedness of MS never ceases to amaze, surprise and amuse.
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Quite logical
by Dandy55 May 12, 2005 1:49 PM PDT
Nobody tells users what they should or should not buy.
Really, cheap Starter Edition is for cheap hardware, for people who can't afford expensive computers, but if you are ready to spend your money on advanced hardware you probably can afford full version of XP Home Edition for extra $50.
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They expect to sell this how?
by frankz00 May 12, 2005 1:03 PM PDT
What better argument for FREE Linux and pirated copies than this? I thought the idea was to CURB piracy and lower the incentive to adopt Linux. On both fronts, they will fail miserably!
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They expect to sell this how?
by frankz00 May 12, 2005 1:03 PM PDT
What better argument for FREE Linux and pirated copies than this? I thought the idea was to CURB piracy and lower the incentive to adopt Linux. On both fronts, they will fail miserably!
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Why pay 35$ for crippled OS...
by bar86 May 12, 2005 2:13 PM PDT
When the full Pro version is being sold for 3 to
5 dollars ? (AntiActivation included)
Americans should stop thinking in American dollars and American income ! Here in Israel,
MS software is sold at the same price level as
in US which means for us 500$ - 700$ in terms
of money value !! Do you realy expect us to
pay those prices ??? In the countries mentioned
in the above article, the price is equivalent
to 1000 - 1500 $ ! The same with DVDs - for
you it's only 15$, for us is 100 ! Will you
buy a legal DVD title for 100$ ?
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Why pay 35$ for crippled OS...
by bar86 May 12, 2005 2:13 PM PDT
When the full Pro version is being sold for 3 to
5 dollars ? (AntiActivation included)
Americans should stop thinking in American dollars and American income ! Here in Israel,
MS software is sold at the same price level as
in US which means for us 500$ - 700$ in terms
of money value !! Do you realy expect us to
pay those prices ??? In the countries mentioned
in the above article, the price is equivalent
to 1000 - 1500 $ ! The same with DVDs - for
you it's only 15$, for us is 100 ! Will you
buy a legal DVD title for 100$ ?
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No... Microsoft REALLY DOES NOT, GET IT.
by Raife May 12, 2005 5:20 PM PDT
Microsoft has such a long history of being number-one and forcibly controlling consumers, through unethical market-manipulation, that they apparently, literally, cannot conceive of doing otherwise.

Frankly, it is becoming more and more obvious that Microsoft simply cannot, and will not, compete reasonably in any open-market.

So if they do not change their demand for obscene-profits and the absolute power to manipulate customers and abuse consumer-rights, there can only be one of two eventual outcomes:

1. Microsoft will suddenly have a smaller, and smaller, market-share and will collapse under its own inefficiency... You know... COMPETITION.

Or..,

2. Microsoft will manage to implement yet another market-domination regime upon consumers, ...possibly relying on the imposition of Trusted-Computing, and/or proprietary-technologies, and/or DRM, etc. etc., to effectively corral consumers back into Microsofts shackles, against their will.

In the end, it seems that Microsoft really is EVERYONES worst enemy, ...even themselves.
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Oh, please
by blizzard23 June 29, 2005 10:34 AM PDT
Blah ... blah ... blah

Post is full of hatred, doom and gloom, woe is the public.

Please have something more meaningful to say.
No... Microsoft REALLY DOES NOT, GET IT.
by Raife May 12, 2005 5:20 PM PDT
Microsoft has such a long history of being number-one and forcibly controlling consumers, through unethical market-manipulation, that they apparently, literally, cannot conceive of doing otherwise.

Frankly, it is becoming more and more obvious that Microsoft simply cannot, and will not, compete reasonably in any open-market.

So if they do not change their demand for obscene-profits and the absolute power to manipulate customers and abuse consumer-rights, there can only be one of two eventual outcomes:

1. Microsoft will suddenly have a smaller, and smaller, market-share and will collapse under its own inefficiency... You know... COMPETITION.

Or..,

2. Microsoft will manage to implement yet another market-domination regime upon consumers, ...possibly relying on the imposition of Trusted-Computing, and/or proprietary-technologies, and/or DRM, etc. etc., to effectively corral consumers back into Microsofts shackles, against their will.

In the end, it seems that Microsoft really is EVERYONES worst enemy, ...even themselves.
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Oh, please
by blizzard23 June 29, 2005 10:34 AM PDT
Blah ... blah ... blah

Post is full of hatred, doom and gloom, woe is the public.

Please have something more meaningful to say.
won't work
by Eduardo1234565 May 12, 2005 5:55 PM PDT
The whole idea of Starter Edition is unworkable. It is supposed to be for beginners who don't know anything about computing.

However, in the countries where is is being sold, computers are so expensive, as compared to people's income, that beginners rarely if ever buy one. Instead they save up for a few years, and in the meantime learn to use a computer at school, work, or internet cafes.

By the time they buy a computer, they are experienced and want a fully-functional OS. They can't afford legal fully-functional Windows, so they will go with either pirated Windows, or legal Linux.
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won't work
by Eduardo1234565 May 12, 2005 5:55 PM PDT
The whole idea of Starter Edition is unworkable. It is supposed to be for beginners who don't know anything about computing.

However, in the countries where is is being sold, computers are so expensive, as compared to people's income, that beginners rarely if ever buy one. Instead they save up for a few years, and in the meantime learn to use a computer at school, work, or internet cafes.

By the time they buy a computer, they are experienced and want a fully-functional OS. They can't afford legal fully-functional Windows, so they will go with either pirated Windows, or legal Linux.
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pentium 3?
by Eduardo1234565 May 12, 2005 5:57 PM PDT
It won't run on Pentium 4. Anybody know what proportion of new desktop computers sold last year in, say, India, used Pentium 3 or lower, as opposed to Pentium 4? I bet it's a rather small percentage.
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Microsoft claims
by Orion Blastar May 12, 2005 6:54 PM PDT
it will run on Durons and Celerons and not Athlons and P4 chips. Durons and Celerons being cheaper.

Only they did not do the research, a poor family is likely to get a loan to get a more powerful computer, rather than a low end one, in order to get a good one that everyone else would be using. They are likely to pay it off in a few years. It is an investment, and if they learn to use it, family members can get jobs working a computer for a business.

Besides, in a Foreign nation, prices are higher than in the USA for technology. When I visited Thailand in 2000, and I did the conversion to US dollars, people there were getting ripped off next to USA prices. Things like Playstations, DVD players, VCRs, etc were all higher as well. Expect that the $500 low end PC in the USA, costs $800 to $1000 in some foreign nations like Thailand. A person in Thailand is lucky to be able to earn $100 or more a month at a job. Yet families stick together and pool their earnings.

Despite not working on a P4, some foreign PC seller will sell a P4 system with an XP Starter Edition CD anyway and have the customer install it. What, it didn't work? No refunds. Want the Home Edition? That will be more money.

The primary goal (if not, it should be) of business is to meet the customer's needs, and provide customer satisfaction. Microsoft, apparently, is not doing a needs analysis here, and is basing things on conditions in the USA market, and projecting that into a Foreign market.

Yeah, crippled XP, like on Seinfeld when Elaine tried to sell muffin tops, and gave the bottoms to the homeless. Then the homeless rejected the muffin bottoms, and saw it as an insult. Microsoft, sell the whole muffin, and offer a discount for poor families. If possible cut out Media Player, and other crap that they possibly won't use, and replace with something else anyway. The more you try to control the market, the more of it that will slip through your fingers like water or sand.
pentium 3?
by Eduardo1234565 May 12, 2005 5:57 PM PDT
It won't run on Pentium 4. Anybody know what proportion of new desktop computers sold last year in, say, India, used Pentium 3 or lower, as opposed to Pentium 4? I bet it's a rather small percentage.
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Microsoft claims
by Orion Blastar May 12, 2005 6:54 PM PDT
it will run on Durons and Celerons and not Athlons and P4 chips. Durons and Celerons being cheaper.

Only they did not do the research, a poor family is likely to get a loan to get a more powerful computer, rather than a low end one, in order to get a good one that everyone else would be using. They are likely to pay it off in a few years. It is an investment, and if they learn to use it, family members can get jobs working a computer for a business.

Besides, in a Foreign nation, prices are higher than in the USA for technology. When I visited Thailand in 2000, and I did the conversion to US dollars, people there were getting ripped off next to USA prices. Things like Playstations, DVD players, VCRs, etc were all higher as well. Expect that the $500 low end PC in the USA, costs $800 to $1000 in some foreign nations like Thailand. A person in Thailand is lucky to be able to earn $100 or more a month at a job. Yet families stick together and pool their earnings.

Despite not working on a P4, some foreign PC seller will sell a P4 system with an XP Starter Edition CD anyway and have the customer install it. What, it didn't work? No refunds. Want the Home Edition? That will be more money.

The primary goal (if not, it should be) of business is to meet the customer's needs, and provide customer satisfaction. Microsoft, apparently, is not doing a needs analysis here, and is basing things on conditions in the USA market, and projecting that into a Foreign market.

Yeah, crippled XP, like on Seinfeld when Elaine tried to sell muffin tops, and gave the bottoms to the homeless. Then the homeless rejected the muffin bottoms, and saw it as an insult. Microsoft, sell the whole muffin, and offer a discount for poor families. If possible cut out Media Player, and other crap that they possibly won't use, and replace with something else anyway. The more you try to control the market, the more of it that will slip through your fingers like water or sand.
What the article fails to mention
by sanenazok May 12, 2005 8:00 PM PDT
Is that if you're going to run the crippled version of Windows XP you might as well run Windows 3.1. You would get the same usefulness.
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What the article fails to mention
by sanenazok May 12, 2005 8:00 PM PDT
Is that if you're going to run the crippled version of Windows XP you might as well run Windows 3.1. You would get the same usefulness.
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thats correct! Wont work
by May 12, 2005 8:11 PM PDT
I think it wont resolve microsoft worry against piracy for two reason:
1. There ain't as many low end machine at it seems available for upgrades. No new user shall actually buy anything less than Pentium 4 now a day or athlon XP +.
2. Old machine wont upgrade. They are okay with there version/pirated version of Windows. Moreover microsoft wont give the cheaper version as upgrade.
3. They will find a crack for the OS to make it run on Intel Pentium 4. It shall than be sold as $3 per pirated copy!

oops there are three reason :)
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thats correct! Wont work
by May 12, 2005 8:11 PM PDT
I think it wont resolve microsoft worry against piracy for two reason:
1. There ain't as many low end machine at it seems available for upgrades. No new user shall actually buy anything less than Pentium 4 now a day or athlon XP +.
2. Old machine wont upgrade. They are okay with there version/pirated version of Windows. Moreover microsoft wont give the cheaper version as upgrade.
3. They will find a crack for the OS to make it run on Intel Pentium 4. It shall than be sold as $3 per pirated copy!

oops there are three reason :)
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Regulation
by May 13, 2005 2:22 AM PDT
Of course you know that starter edition is aimed to please the EU. They don't care what people think.
And of course when the monthly income of a guy in india is around $30 he won't buy anything he doesn't need. I welcome this idea too. Fuels the expantion of linux.
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You are confused
by orfeu_niko May 14, 2005 8:26 AM PDT
Thailand and India and China are in Assia. Eu has no legislation there.
Regulation
by May 13, 2005 2:22 AM PDT
Of course you know that starter edition is aimed to please the EU. They don't care what people think.
And of course when the monthly income of a guy in india is around $30 he won't buy anything he doesn't need. I welcome this idea too. Fuels the expantion of linux.
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You are confused
by orfeu_niko May 14, 2005 8:26 AM PDT
Thailand and India and China are in Assia. Eu has no legislation there.
Just use Linux
by JLP May 13, 2005 4:34 AM PDT
Why would anyone use a such a crippled OS and even pay for it when there is a much better and completely free (not just in cost but also in freedom to do what ever you want with it) operating system out there like Linux.
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Linux hasn't been ported to local languages
by Orion Blastar May 13, 2005 8:02 AM PDT
yet, but many are working on that. The same thing with OS/2. I guess Windows has an advantage there? At least for now.

There is a language barrier, and in some cases it is local tribal languages that differ from the national language.
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Just use Linux
by JLP May 13, 2005 4:34 AM PDT
Why would anyone use a such a crippled OS and even pay for it when there is a much better and completely free (not just in cost but also in freedom to do what ever you want with it) operating system out there like Linux.
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Linux hasn't been ported to local languages
by Orion Blastar May 13, 2005 8:02 AM PDT
yet, but many are working on that. The same thing with OS/2. I guess Windows has an advantage there? At least for now.

There is a language barrier, and in some cases it is local tribal languages that differ from the national language.
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