Windows Media Player 11 an iTunes contender?

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We like details such as stacked albums, where groups of albums--based on genre, artist, year and so on--are sitting on top of one another in a way that enables the user to quickly identify groups visually. Nobody likes missing album art, so we also appreciate WMP 11's ability to track down images (as well as ID3 tag info) and automatically update your library using a new audio-fingerprinting technology that, like many other WMP tasks, takes place in the background.

Another impressive WMP 11 feature is the instant-search tool, which is both powerful and smart. Type in a search item, even part of a word, and you immediately get results broken down by artist, album and so on.

Additional keystrokes will narrow the results. WMP 11 has been engineered with the assumption that your collection of media files will number not only in the thousands but also in the millions, so you're guaranteed to get rapid search results and no delay while browsing through thousands of files.

We were downright impressed with WMP 11's file management performance. The tight integration of the Urge music service benefits greatly from this outstanding performance, as you'll literally search a couple million tracks if you are an Urge subscriber. (For CNET Review's take on Urge, click here.)

Syncing, assembling playlists and burning have all become much easier as well. The playlist pane (which can be hidden when not in use) on the right-hand side can be filled with songs, albums and other files via drag and drop, and files can be simply arranged, saved and edited. We hated WMP 10's confusing sync/burn/playlist pane, which appeared on every view; with WMP 11, you get dedicated experiences that are as clear as any Apple-designed application.

A prime example is the burn bucket, which visually displays how much room you have remaining on a CD-R and demarcates subsequent CDs so that you can manage songs across multiple CDs. The same goes for syncing. Your device--we used both an iRiver Clix and a Creative Zen Vision:M--will appear as a large icon, and underneath, you'll find a gas gauge graphic that indicates how much room you have to fill up your player.

You also have the option to automatically fill up a device to the max with the music of your choosing--whether they're personal selections or based on smart groupings such as artists or genres. This ability to autofill your device in an intelligent fashion is a huge advantage when you're part of a to-go subscription service, which gives you access to millions of tracks.

This attention to detail--or, rather, attention to the way people actually use their media player--is paramount to our newfound appreciation of WMP 11. Windows Media users finally have their iTunes.

James Kim of CNET Reviews reported from San Francisco.

[samkass]

iPod

So can it play iTMS music? If not, not interested.

[darrius3365]

re:

it won't

[darrius3365]

can't find it

It seems like this download is buried deep in the Micrsoft site. Has anyone else found it?

[darrius3365]

re:

nevermind. it looks like the release date will be Wednesday the 17th.

[the Otter]

Sounds great, but&

I read the PC Magazine review, and I must admit, this sounds
like a pretty cool program. Unfortunately (as has already been
mentioned), it wont work with iPods andmore importantlyit
wont work with Mac OS. I doubt theyre going to get too many
people to downgrade their computers (or even take the time to
launch Ms Windows) just to use a music player that really
doesnt add any truly compelling features.

One much-touted feature, for example, is WiMP 11s ability to
arrange your photos, as if thats something iTunes is seriously
lacking. iTunes has handled photos for over a year, but Ive
frankly never really seen the draw to having your digital photos
lumped in with your digital music. Who came up with that idea?
(Even if you like it, Id argue that Front Row handles it much
better than what Ive seen of WiMP.)

I give them a lot of credit for the album art view and the sub-
summary by artist, but I expect Apple will rip Ms off just like Ms
rips off Apple. Especially given the fact that WiMP 11 wont be
ready for prime time until Ms Windows Vista ships (pushed back,
yet again, to April 2007, last I heard), I really dont see why
anyones even mentioning this (unless, of course, it involves
many millions from M$s marketing budget).

Just my 2¢.

[bourgtai]

Oh, my mistake.

I thought that ninety percent of consumers were running on Windows and less than ten percent were on Mac, which would make WMP 11 a good answer to iTunes for those of us who have opted for better-quality players than the iPod. I guess I was wrong, but I'd like to know when this swing occured so that I can mark it on my Google Calendar.

[TyTyson]

What a waste of code.

WMP a competitor to iTunes!?? ROFL

Good one!

[assman]

agreed.

ROFLMAO. 2 BAD WMP, BRB LOL.

[rcrusoe]

It's not the player, it's the package

Is the new Windows Media Player better than iTunes. Who cares?
When it comes to digital music, iTunes is an example of the MS
Windows story in reverse.

Apple has a good enough player (IMO a great player). But
package it with a great music site, and the world's most popular
portable music device and you have a winning combination.

Based on sales, it looks like very few people like any of the sites
that sell WMA encoded music or the portable music devices that
play it. A new player won't change that.

[john55440]

Want Subscription Model - Not iTunes

With a subscription model, I could listen to an unlimited number of new-to-me songs, for a flat monthly fee. I have no interest in the iTunes pay-per-song model.

I look forward to learning the details of Amazon.com's rumored forthcoming subscription music service.

[rcrusoe]

You are in luck

Why wait for Amazon? If you don't like iTunes, you already have a
wide selection of subscription sites from which to choose.

They all offer music in Windows Media format, and they are all
begging for customers.

[GGGlen]

Oh stop trolling

There are PLENTY of subcription based services out there, and
they're ALL getting beaten by iTunes. Therefore, MOST people don't
want subcription services.
So you prefer one? Great! Go join one and go away.

[System Tyrant]

Get XM radio.

I know of at least one person who uses the subscription base system (rhapsody I think) and they compare it to XM radio in the sense that it's just like paying to listen to radio where you get to select the songs you want. They also just stopped using it after a year and were pretty disappointed that they had nothing to show for it (just like XM radio I think).

However, I think of it like any rental service. Some people like renting a DVD and some people like buying them. I think if you could buy or rent a Movie on the Internet that was very close to DVD quality (and could download it in a timely manner) it would hurt movie stores.

Over all if you like the subscription services then use them. You will definately get a wider selection of players. iTunes and iPod are not for everyone.

[GGGlen]

Maybe Microsoft just "doesn't get it"?

I tried, I mean I really tried to like some of the subscription
based services out there, but fer cry'n out loud, I can't stand
music encoded in WMP.
When Napster gave out trial subscriptions, I downloaded 600
songs. I expected them to sound "less than cd quality", but I
didn't expect them to sound as badly as they did when
compared to identical songs downloaded from the iTunes store.
Call me strange, but the point of me downloading music is to
download something that I'll listen to, and from what I've heard,
WMP just isn't it.
One thing I did appreciate about Napster, though, was that they
allowed me to preview the songs that I turned around and
purchased from the iTunes store.
Thanks, Napster!

[GGGlen]

Maybe Microsoft just "doesn't get it"?

I tried, I mean I really tried to like some of the subscription
based services out there, but fer cry'n out loud, I can't stand
music encoded in WMP.
When Napster gave out free trial subscriptions, I downloaded
600
songs. I expected them to sound "less than cd quality", but I
didn't expect them to sound as badly as they did when
compared to identical songs downloaded from the iTunes store.
Call me strange, but the point of me downloading music is to
download something that I'll listen to, and from what I've heard,
WMP just isn't it.
One thing I did appreciate about Napster, though, was that they
allowed me to preview the songs that I turned around and
purchased from the iTunes store.
Thanks, Napster!

[dudegadget]

May be they do

.. and that is why they are responding by updating their user interface. By the way WMP is mathematically a better compression algorithm compared to mp3 (mp3pro is more like WMP). For half the size it gives the same or even better quality. I have encoded all my music in WMP (variable bit rate) and it not only has saved me gigabytes of hard disk space but also sounds better.

Also, I disagree with the notion that windows media player 10 is inferior in anyway. Sure it wasn't designed to be a shopping cart for music but it definitely has tons of features for music library management and other UI features.(background download of track info, skins, visualizations, advanced tag editor, rip and burn are child's play)

iTunes is pretty good but I don't see why one has to trash a perfectly good program to establish that.

[shanehughes]

You are correct

So very, very correct.

[TarrySingh]

No

.

[Akiba]

With an iPod

For me the problem isn't the music store its syching my iPod. I need to be able to synch my iPod with WMP reliably before I stop using iTunes. Maybe I'm a minority but I have no interest in the iTunes music store selection or file format. It really annoys me how many mp3 players don't give users many options on what software to use.

[UnnDunn]

Use Xplay or Anapod Explorer

If you have no use for the iTunes Music Store, then there are a few software packages that give you more flexibility than iTunes. One is Xplay, available at <a class="jive-link-external" href="http://mediafour.com" target="_newWindow">http://mediafour.com</a>. Another is Anapod Explorer, available at <a class="jive-link-external" href="http://redchairsoftware.com" target="_newWindow">http://redchairsoftware.com</a>. Xplay offers reliable automatic syncing with Windows Media Player. Not sure if Anapod does.

[aabcdefghij987654321]

napster=poor bitrate

From what I see on the internet, Napster uses a measly 128k bitrate -- which yes, is dismal.
Other services like Yahoo! Music is 192k -- and the quality is very good.

Also if Napster is using the older WMA v8 encoder, that doesn't help either...

Compare codecs and bitrates:
<a class="jive-link-external" href="http://www.telefonica.net/web2/audioformats/results_at_192_kbps.htm" target="_newWindow">http://www.telefonica.net/web2/audioformats/results_at_192_kbps.htm</a>

Love that Nero AAC MP4!

[GGGlen]

Just remember

Nero doesn't make an "AAC MP4", but since they do encode using
the same CODEC as the iTunes store, I agree that they sound better
than WMP.

[UnnDunn]

Napster is now 192k

Napster recently re-encoded their entire library to 192kbps WMA v9. The best part is if you bought any Napster tracks, you can re-download the upgraded versions at no charge as long as you are within the 3-downloads-per-purchase requirement.

[amitpagarwal]

Download Windows Media Player 11 here

WMP 11 is now available on Softpedia.

This page has the direct links:

<a class="jive-link-external" href="http://labnol.blogspot.com/2006/05/download-windows-media-player-11-from.html" target="_newWindow">http://labnol.blogspot.com/2006/05/download-windows-media-player-11-from.html</a>

[shanehughes]

Nope - Won't work with my iPod

Why would I download WMP11 if it doesn't work with the best
music player?

[mstrclark]

BitTorrent Client Needed

You need a BitTorrent client to download from the site mentioned, which links to another site that does a redirect to the download page.

Have fun.

[mstrclark]

Official Microsoft Download Site

<a class="jive-link-external" href="http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windowsmedia/player/11/" target="_newWindow">http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windowsmedia/player/11/</a>

Heh

The iPod not only has the best user interface, but the best sound as well. Sorry, but if you don't like the sound coming from the ehadphones maybe you should toss the factory provided ones, or those ****** Bose headphones and opt for some Bang &#38; Olufsens.

iPod&gt;Everything else. Windows user and Mac users alike agree. There is no better digital device like it.

[bourgtai]

...

iPod signal-to-noise ratio: 86 dB

Zen signal-to-noise ratio: 98 dB

I may be mistaken, but is the higher number the better one? I think the higher number's the better one...

[shanehughes]

Microsoft hates open standards

iTunes uses open standards for their music formats, such as
AAC and MP3. Microsoft wants us to use THEIR standards only,
so they can reinforced their monopoly on the uninformed
masses.
We already have a great player called iTunes. We don't need
something new just because it's from Microsoft. Gates &#38;
Company will never understand creative processes, and they will
never understand what makes a great program.

[beonedrine]

Typical Schmuck

You're speaking of a topic that should ring in your ears as a mac fanboy...as chances are you don't know much about the company.

[ggupta7]

... so does iTunes store follow open standards

Exactly how do you define open standard? Can you play the music bought from iTunes music store on any device other than iPod or any software other than iTunes? So how is it an open standard if you can buy from only one store (compared to 15 different stores available in Windows Media Player) and can play it in only 8-10 different portable media players, all made by the same company (compared to more than a hundred different available models made by more than a dozen companies). you decide, which one is open standard.

BTW, if you don't already know, France passed a law forcing Apple to share it's DRM technology with other companies (Again compared to MIcrosoft which has shared this technology with numerous music stores and device makers)

[open-mind]

What does the "bun" option do?

From the article...

"Boiled down to five choices--Now Playing, Library, Rip, Bun and Sync--each button has its own subbutton that opens up a slew of useful menu items."

;-)

[nightveil]

It's a dessert topping!

The "Bun" option allows you to program your computer to make
buns, of course.

Initially, you'll only be able to make Hot-cross, hamburger and
hot dog, though the latter two will have several size options to
take in to account the various sizes of patty and frank.

Later updates will allow for more pastry goodness to be had.
Various types of donughts, popovers and even several types of
danish.

The Bun Option: It's not just a typo!

[Roman12]

Never liked WMP

I don't remember earlier versions, but WMP 9 wasn't too bad, then when they introduced 10. I wasn't impressed because it seemed more complicated then WPM 9. Plus both, versions take up unreasonable amount of computer resources. And because it's a product of MS, you can expect several security vulnerabilities once in a while, so I just quiz using it. Now for videos, I use VLC (plays every format, never had problems, take up very little resources), and Media Monkey for music.
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[R. U. Sirius]

This is Lame

You guys spend two pages breathlessly talking up the features of an application in which nothing is really new? This thing is full of "seen that-done that" all over it.

And do you really think that all those songs people are buying from iTunes that they'll gladly dump them for this application?

Good market research would say that the digital music distribution market is over, and Apple won. The next market is video, and Apple has already started down that road while MS is creating un-novel applications for a market they've already lost.

Add to all that, this thread will no doubt descend into the typical PC-Mac wars, which are just as meaningless at this juncture.

[EricDaEvilGenius]

Huh?

.....What were we talking about again?

[Geir Werner Hagen]

Jeeeezzz....

"Uh-huh...
Reader post by: bourgtai
Posted on: Mon May 15 17:00:43 PDT 2006
Story: Windows Media Player 11 an iTunes contender?
On the subject of user interface, the buttons on my Zen Xtra are
arranged in such a way that a) I don't have to look at them in
order to know where they are, b) I don't have to worry about any
of them accidentally getting pressed while the player is in my
pocket, mea"...

What the **** has this got to do with WMP 11 ? Please stick to
the topic.... =(

Regarding WMP11 it sure looks like **** ,kinda like wanna-be-
aqua (apple anno 2002). but that doesn´t mean it isn´t a good
player. As it is I am on Macs so I probably won´t get to try it out
( if I don´t buy an Intel-Mac and fire up Boot Camp...)

[Miket019]

Apple Geek please calm down LOL

Would Apple Geek please calm down a little bit.

I love Itunes and I've been using for a couple years. I love it's simplicy and how well it organized all my(45,000)songs, all mp3. I have used winamp, musicmatch, realplayer, wmp 10 but nothing compares to my itunes until yesterday after I install wmp11.

I've been using wmp11 for a couple of days and I feel like i'm cheating on itunes because it was my favorite player for so long.

I hate to admit but wmp11 is a prettier and more colorful media player. The album art brings this media player to new level. My advice to people is to use it, then judge it.

There is a plugin available for your ipod, it's really not that hard. And those 25 songs you bought from itunes(that's what the average ipod owner buy from itms), you can convert to mp3.

I hope itunes comes out with something similar because I really like the album art, it makes everything very neat, as oppose to the old text and line.

I will still use itunes now and then, but it's not my default player anymore.

[Thomas, David]

OOOOOOH KAY ... where'd ya get the 25?

Did you work on this project or something?! Sounds like you are
one of the programmers.

"... 25 songs ... average ipod owner buys ..." what a crock!
About 50 million iPods sold world-wide, and over a purchases
world-wide. I don't know how you came up with an average of
25 songs per iPod owner, but you must be insane, or just can't
add, or something else. But then you could be all at once. I
would not know.

Personally I have over nearly two thousand purchases, not
including my own library, and I have no idea if I am an "average"
ipod owner.

[Miket019]

Apple Geek please calm down LOL

Would Apple Geek please calm down a little bit.

I love Itunes and I've been using for a couple years. I love it's simplicy and how well it organized all my(45,000)songs, all mp3. I have used winamp, musicmatch, realplayer, wmp 10 but nothing compares to my itunes until yesterday after I install wmp11.

I've been using wmp11 for a couple of days and I feel like i'm cheating on itunes because it was my favorite player for so long.

I hate to admit but wmp11 is a prettier and more colorful media player. The album art brings this media player to new level. My advice to people is to use it, then judge it.

There is a plugin available for your ipod, it's really not that hard. And those 25 songs you bought from itunes(that's what the average ipod owner buy from itms), you can convert to mp3.

I hope itunes comes out with something similar because I really like the album art, it makes everything very neat, as oppose to the old text and line.

I will still use itunes now and then, but it's not my default player anymore.

[Zymurgist]

I like it

It's not quite AmaroK or Konqueror, but they've
done a very respectable job in ripping off those
apps. In WMP12, I suspect they'll have fully
implemented the features and functionality found
elsewhere today -- quite an accomplish for
Microsoft.

[Thomas, David]

TAG YOUR IT

This industry, the computer "world" so to speak, is huge. It covers all aspects of our lives, practically every kind of business on the planet. What has suddenly struck me as tragic, maybe cosmically funny, is we see nearly the ENTIRE personal computer industry chasing down the little guy.

Man, I can picture it in my head now. It little tiny Steve Jobs, and a few pals, with a multi-colored ball, being chased by a bunch of bullies threatening to beat them up.

My point is, there are a lot of balls around, why is everyone trying to take the one Apple is playing with? And what is the rest of Apples gang doing back at the house while Steve plays hide and go seek?

TAG YOUR IT

[Gromit801]

Nope

See, here's the thing. Any digital music source is only as good as
the music on it. Now then, iTunes has a proven and profitable
track record, it's well entrenched with the public.

Are you going to sign over your music library to the new kid on the
block (big risk), or the proven winner?

[bourgtai]

All I know is...

URGE offers the ability to re-download already-purchased songs onto your computer if you lose them, which is a feature I hope iTunes users don't ever need, because they don't got it.

[beonedrine]

It is nice

After using this for a couple of hours, I have to say it's got a clean interface and is rather intuitive. I know, Mac **** are going to get their panties up in a bunch but that's going to happen regardless.
I've used winamp, songbird, wmp10 and several other audio apps and so far so good. Excellent job on the behalf of the MS staff.

[Musica360.com]

JErks

Why do Jerks on this board constantly think that all of the people
defending iTunes/iPod users are Mac Users when the majority
of the owners USE WINDOWS!

It was Windows users that made the iTunes/iPod combination as
popular as it is today by the sheer numers of those using them.

So if we're going to speak on subjects... let's at least know what
the hell we're talking about...

This particular discussion is now about Macs vs PC's....

It's about iTunes Vs. WMP