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Microsoft getting Soft
by August 27, 2004 4:35 PM PDT
I find it curious how a company like Microsoft can produce
software plagued with security issues, take ages to release
updates, balk at standards and come under serious attacks by
governments, counties, and cities for anti-trust violations and
yet they maintain a dominate power in almost every business
segment they compete in. Is the public that slow to change?
What will it take before people move to viable alternatives?
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Longhorn itself is the threat to MS
by Earl Benser August 27, 2004 4:47 PM PDT
MS is at least two generations of OS beyond where any rational
company would have shifted the design to more modern
standards. MS's insistance that Longhorn, and the X86
processor, must support all the legacy software ever written
guarantees the long overdue demose of the Longhorn concept.

Maybe it's time for MS to wake up and smell the coffee.
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Cutting Corners As Usual
by ckrimmel August 27, 2004 6:22 PM PDT
I think that Microsoft is producing a bad image for their products by continually putting too much on their plate. They plan for features that excite future customers and then they promptly cut them back to make deadlines. They should extend the deadlines so that customers see that they are taking the time to produce the product they had originally promised. Not only will this produce a better consumer image for Microsoft but it will also produce their products. No one likes the Automatic Update feature, although convenient when needed, it is over used and annoying. They should give users the most complete package that the company is able to give whether they are missing a deadline or not.
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Microsoft policy spoils governments
by August 28, 2004 2:52 AM PDT
The fact that they are releasing new patches to the [newly released] Service Pack 2, is good enough to show how bad a company could be.
But the fact that they are spoling governments worldwide, making them fall into the corruption, is even worse.
Here is an example from Bulgaria:
- Microsoft rented to the government 30000 copies of MS Windows XP and MS Office XPfor $ 14 M. That's about $ 450 / computer, or more than the price for one copy in the shop!
- Microsoft created the e-gateway portal of the Bulgarian government in a way, so that the end-users (sic!) need to have MS Windows and Internet Explorer in order to be able to use the services of the e-government.
- Microsoft wanted to sell another 35000 licenses to the Ministry of Education, although there are less than 1000 computers there that can handle MS WindowsXP/OfficeXP.

All of the above is being done with the help of money under the table. We can imagine what would happen in 2006 with the Longhorn. Perhaps it will be also a Longmoney-under-the-table?
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some more quotes
by August 28, 2004 2:56 AM PDT
Here are some more quotes, so that you don't think I am dreaming that Microsoft corrupts people:

http://www.heise.de/newsticker/meldung/48329

http://www.heise.de/newsticker/meldung/48176

http://www.iht.com/articles/121033.html

http://www.nytimes.com/2003/12/11/technology/11digital.html (and if you don't have a subscription):

U.N. Meeting Debates Software for Poor Nations

Published: December 11, 2003

GENEVA, Dec. 10 -Whether governments should support open-source software like Linux over commercial software like Microsoft's Windows was debated on Wednesday at a United Nations conference on closing the so-called digital divide between rich and poor countries.

Samuel Guimarães, executive secretary in the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of Brazil, told government representatives at the opening sessions of the meeting that open-source, or free-to-share, software was crucial for the developing world because it would permit poorer countries to develop their own technology instead of having to import it.

Brazil, with the support of India, South Africa and China, wanted the delegates to the meeting, the World Summit on the Information Society, to endorse open-source software as the best way to bridge the technology gap.

But while language declaring open-source software an important option was in a statement by the delegates, it was watered down considerably after pressure from industrialized countries, some conference participants said.

The information and communications technology arm of the United Nations Development Program is advising governments that want to move to open-source software on how that software could become a foundation for local software development.

But Raoul Zambrano, an adviser to the program, said the office was cautioning nations not to require open source for their governments because the goal should be to create choice and competition.

The program plans to open a regional center in Europe early next year to offer support to countries in the Balkans and on the Baltic Sea on this issue.

Veni Markovski, an adviser to the Bulgarian president on technology, said he had asked the United Nations for help because he thought the Bulgarian government had spent too much money on Microsoft products.

Microsoft denied any overcharging.

Microsoft's influence is so great, Mr. Markovski said, that "the end user, the citizen, doesn't have a choice and the government doesn't have a choice."

Microsoft confirmed on Wednesday that it was discussing with the United Nations program how to work together most effectively.

Microsoft, which has said it will invest $1 billion on projects to help bridge the digital divide, said it did not require that its software be used in such projects.

"People, at the end of the day, have the right to choose, and we support that," said Claudia Toth, a spokeswoman for Microsoft.

Peter Dravis, a consultant who wrote a report about open-source software for the World Bank, said, "It is a tough call for a lot of agencies and groups when Microsoft offers to give away software to schools and governments."

But he said that there was a growing demand for open-source software, and that Microsoft's deals with governments would not ensure market dominance.
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Evangelical futurism is not practical...
by August 28, 2004 11:46 AM PDT
...in a market driven economy. If MSFT had approached the Longhorn project in pieces, vs. their crusade mentality to knock everyone dead with a show-stopper two years out, their resources, development, QA, and release would have been more sane, realistic, and profitable. Pulling a large share of developers off Longhorn to fix XP with SP2 was pre-ordained to delay release.

Mac and Linux are starting to eat them for breakfast on the desktop, and in retrospect XP is proving to be more problem, less innovation. Windows 2000 was the last solid OS they brought to market because it worked, and continues to do so in most corporate networks.

*nix looks better all the time from both a cost and features standpoint. As more critical applications get ported and developed, the period of opportunity for the Longhorns of the world will commensurately shrink. No one in SW dev today can sit on a project for 30 months and expect to hit their target without major revisions and feature changes.
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Lack of Expertise
by R.T.F.M. August 29, 2004 6:00 AM PDT
Microsoft's problem is it has never had to create their own software. Everything they market has been bought from another company, so now there is no one to buy Longhorn from and they are stumped!
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They will copy Apple Computer Guaranteed
by liven2 August 29, 2004 8:17 AM PDT
It seems tha Micosoft will follow Apple computers lead once
again. Apple new OS to e released first half of 2005(Tiger) will
be years ahead of XP and has features that they are excluding
from Longhorn. Microsoft does not innovate they just copy and
immulate. The features in OS X are so far beyond XP it is almost
hilarious and it is sad that a company like Microsoft can not do
better.

For Example:

Mark my words that Microsofts up and coming music store will
mimics Apple iTunes and they will have one advantage with it...
MONEY! Since they have an endless flow of cash they can
practically cut their price to nothing and beat out the
competition by losing money just to maintain dominance. Sooo
the once famous iTunes will be eaten alive if they under cut
them with very obnoxious low prices. Microsoft does not
innovate they just wait, Then copy, then over dominate because
they can not becasue they are the best. it is very sad!!... :(
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the fall of M$
by August 29, 2004 2:07 PM PDT
Some people need to take a look at Steve Job's speach
on his
keynote Panther release about building a new
foundation.
Microsoft has been working on Longhorn for 4 years at
least. XP
was released in 2000. its now the end of 2004, they
arent
expecting to release it until '07? that is 7 years. in the
mean
time, Apple has released a major OS update every
year. With
Tiger on its way, with features that M$ already has to
cut to
meet its deadline. Which company is making sense and
growing
towards the future? and which one is patching up the
holes for a
few more years?
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The bottom line...
by Jon N. August 29, 2004 3:32 PM PDT
The life of any business is in its products & customer service. If a business has an inferior product, those who use it spread the word of the problems with the product. If the product is good, then, by word of mouth, it gets recognized & purchased. Customer service, if it is good, can only do so much. If the product is in need of a recall, then it only makes logical sense to RECALL the DEFECTIVE merchandise & give its consumers a replacement, or a refund. Both of which MS refuses to do.
Unfortunately for MS, they are now too big to move as swiftly as Apple, Sun, Novell, or Linux. There is a old saying... "Ya snooze, Ya loose". Well, unless MS can come up with a rock-steady replacement OS {i.e. SuSE & OS X}, & do it completely within two years, then they will have to face the music of a smaller consumer base & downsizing. I have had my browser hijacked several times, & it wasn't fun! I now have SP2 installed. I hope it works out, but if it doesn't, I'm looking at Suse Linux & Apple as alternatives.
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Longhorn / Shorthorn... Time to switch to Mac!
by deanwaterman August 29, 2004 3:47 PM PDT
I was a loyal Windows user for years, and finally got fed up with
virus', corrupt files, crashes, errors and the blue screen of death.
And, using my computer was BORING! Should it be? Well, check
out a Mac and you will never be bored again. Using a computer
is fun again! I love it. And yes, YOU CAN USE WINDOWS BASED
SOFTWARE ON A MAC. And do much more than you ever could
on a PC. Everything clicks on a Mac. Why wait for Longhorn
when you can have Mac OS X Panther (and the new Tiger in 05')
that runs circles around The "NEW" OS from Microsoft. While Bill
Gates waits to please the 90% of the people who are on their
PC's, those who use Mac's are doing much more than Windows
users ever will. Make the switch and never look at the computer
the same way again! From iLife... KeyNote... iMovie... iPhoto...
iDVD... Everything works better and works together! And all the
software suppliers to Mac users make sure it all works together
too. Better graphics, Unix based, ease of use, everything is just
awesome on a Mac. I am a believer! And I use many Windows
programs on it... They work. Make the switch today!
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why buy...
by August 30, 2004 6:48 AM PDT
something that is broken before it's even manufactured?
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It's going to be a successful failure
by August 30, 2004 2:32 PM PDT
As we have already seen with Windows XP service pack 2. It was supposed to be all secure and safe and first day it gets bombed and we ended up downloaded patches. Longhorn will be just the same. Bloated, Unsafe, and expensive. It will be successful because most people with a PC will get the new windows and only a select few will continue using linux. The only real way linux will have a hit with your average home users is when they make it as simple to us as Mac OSX and Windows. Not to many people want to know how to unpack a .rpm. They just want to get things done.
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Longhorn Delay Will Be Beneficial For Better Software OS
by t7c192 August 30, 2004 11:31 PM PDT
I am both an expert in both Linux and Windows usage and I use both at home/work and I love both OSes, specially using XP as my main OS for gaming and Internet browsing. The delay for Longhorn may take away the spotlight from Microsoft, but as an avid computer gamer, a company like Blizzard who delays their games, will come eventually as the big winners, because their games are the best. The same thing could happen to Microsoft if they wait on the sidelines by providing an award winning OS.
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So show me the proof where it counts
by Razzl August 31, 2004 8:12 AM PDT
I work in a university with near a thousand workstations running as a network with Windows OS. The other 3 universities in our consortium are using Windows in their networked computers. The State's land-grant university is a Windows network. I have XP at home. All of the local libraries, Schools, and small businesses Windows or some Oracle-based mainframe software. I've only met one person since 1989 who uses a Mac, in a private arts college. I've never known anyone or any institution who use Linux. I get around in the world of computer end-users and I can't even see Linux on the landscape.

So for all of you futurist blowhards trying to take Microsoft down with your clever predictions I say: show me the money. I can't even find proof out here in the real world that your vaunted competitors even exist, much less that they are a threat to Microsoft.
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